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The Coffee House Wall – 9th/15th December

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  1. New Computer, new week.

    Five days now and the dead terrorist/Messiah still hasn’t resurrected.

  2. Baron, you ask me what I am for as an alternative to democracy, which is to align me with everything from the quote I lifted from another poster on a national newspaper website.

    I think my preface to that quote showed my real interest.

    I have never suggested binning democracy.

    I’ll repeat my preface to the quote from that link: How old is the concept of LibLabCon?

    That was my interest.

    I, personally, have not mentioned anything about replacing democracy.

    My target, almost every time I post here and on other UK blogs, is LibLabCon.

    What concerns me about politics is the way Big Media clears the field and creates a narrative over and over and over again to choose from three parties who all operate on a continuum with each other and on a continuum with the European Union.

    That is the opposite of democracy.

    My answer is I would like to see genuine democracy.

    That is difficult when the system is bent, but at the very least I would like voters to see through the mainstream Establishment endorsed parties.

    I certainly did not endorse the ‘solution’ proffered elsewhere by the author of that quote.

    I would like people to stop believing these mainstream media narratives that LibLabCon are in opposition to each other at election time.

    Let me run through that quote and annotate it to explain why it leapt out at me:

    ‘Through the press propaganda, through the use of the organs of information, it was possible in England to found the great model parties’ – that has not really changed as far as I can see.

    ‘Already in those early days they saw to it shrewdly that here were always two or three groups apparently hostile to each other’ – neither has that!

    ‘But in fact all hanging on a gold thread’ – that was what I took from that quote and what I hope others took.

    That, to me, is the single most important line.

    ‘The golden thread’ means the continuum. That they are all in it together.

    That’s the great delusion people seem unable to recognise.

    ‘The whole designed to take account of a human characteristic – that the longer a man possesses an object, the more readily he grows tired of it.

    ‘He craves something new: therefore one needs two parties.

    ‘The one is in office, the other in opposition. When the one has played itself out, then the opposition party comes into power, and the party which has had its day is now in its turn the opposition. After twenty years the new party itself has once more played itself out and the game begins afresh.’

    My answer to that is not to replace democracy, which I have never suggested, but for the British people to wake up and understand that they can be defrauded by democracy and should shun anyone involved in that fraud: LibLabCon.

    That is why so many of my posts use that phrase: LibLabCon.

    That is the sum total of my interest in that quote.

    I do not endorse any of the alternatives suggested by its original author.

    My alternative is twofold:

    1) Don’t vote at all (a stance endorsed by people as divergent as Peter Hitchens and Russell Brand).

    2) Or do vote. But just don’t vote LibLabCon.

    Vote UKIP. Vote Monster Raving Looney.

    Vote for anybody on the ballot paper who is not on that ballot paper because of their genesis, I quote, ‘through the press propaganda, through the use of the organs of information’.

    Those were the bits of the quote that seemed screamingly relevant to me, no matter how unfortunate the name of the author.

    In answer to my question, then, LibLabCon is an extremely old concept. That was why the poster on The Shariagraph had put the quote up: to show that this is a much longer game than many of us might realise.

    Although I’m fed up to the back teeth observing that modus operandi, I had no idea how long it had been going on for.

    The post underneath The Shariagraph article was in response to the main article’s suggestion that the UK is about to witness a pantomime divorce between Lib and Con.

  3. Baron, you say: ‘It should be of little or no interest to us whether Islam is a religion of peace or not’ and suggest it is a subject mainly for scholars, historians and Muslims to argue over.

    If people are physically threatened by Islam – or anything else – then they have every right to concern themselves with whether violence is being preached in their midst.

    So why do you privilege Islam?

    Why is it a subject to be mainly delegated to scholars, historians and Muslims?

    Shouldn’t the public get a say if they’re likely to be beheaded or blown up?

    Who says of Christianity that it is a subject that is fit mainly for scholars, historians and Christians?

    The whole of the Western world seems allowed an opinion on Christianity – but Christians aren’t beheading people on UK streets.

    You say: ‘For us, it should be sufficient to tell those who worship Allah that if they live amongst us, in a secular society where laws are made by the consent of the governed, they obey those laws or else.’

    But the UK is overrun with Muslims who do not obey those laws.

    The large number of convicts suggest there are large numbers of them who don’t obey the law on a consistent basis.

    The Islamic community’s contribution to systematically organised paedophile rape and terrorist murder seems out of proportion with any other organised religious group.

    You say to me: ‘Except for the judge’s judgmental utterance what’s wrong with it?’

    I say to you and to Judge Rebecca Poulet QC, who says: ‘My understanding is that Islam is a peaceful religion’ that The Koran says: ‘Make war on the unbelievers’ and that the courts and prisons runneth over with people carrying out those instructions to the letter.

    I have consistently pointed out The Koran’s instructions to you and pointed to acts of terror that fit those instructions.

    Faced with these instructions and the instances of people carrying them out, you say: ‘The scholars, historians may argue, as may the members of the club of Islam’ and that ‘it should be of little or no interest to us whether Islam is a religion of peace or not’.

    I disagree.

    Other people are entitled to worry about their personal safety, wheresoever that threat may come from.

    As with Christianity, or any other religious or political grouping, they do not need to delegate their fears to scholars, historians or the followers of the religious or political group in question.

    That would be giving in to violence.

    Moreover, how can it possibly be the case that it is of ‘little or no interest to us whether Islam is a religion of peace or not’ when The Koran has so much to say about me – and people like me?

    I am not of ‘little or no interest’ to Muslims.

    Their holy book can’t stop banging on about ‘unbelievers’, as The Koran refers to them (and sometimes as kuffr), and what should be done to them.

    Since I – and all the other ‘unbelivers’ – are of so much interest to Muslims, how can it possibly be that we should have ‘little or no interest’ in what they have to say?

  4. Clear Memories, December 9th, 2013 – 09:22

    “Five days now and the dead terrorist/Messiah still hasn’t resurrected.”

    Mohammed Yasser Abdel Rahman Abdel Raouf Arafat al-Qudwa has been gone 9 years now and still no sign of the bastard! They dug him up recently but, alas, he was still feeling ill disposed to rejoin us. Nuffink, not even a blip on a geiger-counter!

    He lives on, though, in the many bank accounts where he stashed all the aid money embezzled over the years.

  5. Clear Memories, December 9th, 2013 – 09:22

    “Five days now and the dead terrorist/Messiah still hasn’t resurrected.”

    From Rod Liddle’s blog last week:

    The_greyhound • 3 days ago: “We should all light a tyre.”

    Says it all, really.

  6. For Verity:

    Bill Whittle: Texas vs California – funny, and true!


  7. Had a quiet chuckle over the weekend on reading that a fair percentage of the aid sent to the Philippines has been trousered. I counselled against giving at the time saying that the aid agencies relied on the gullible to write their pay cheques for them. The reaction was the same as to all my pronouncements, Maybery is a hard bastard, he has no heart. True I am a bastard and I do not have a heart, a swinging brick does me fine. Not only that, I have lived and worked in the Philippines so there were no surprises, except as to how long it was before the aid workers cottoned on to what was happening, but then, there’s none so blind as those who do not want to see.

  8. The great unspoken in the mainstream media is how to deal with sites like CoffeeHouseWall and what to do with the waves of public comment.

    You hear it very little commented on in the MSM, but as the Jamie Bartlett CV demonstrates, the Establishment is working overtime on how to deal with the threat of free speech.

    Jamie’s “primary research interests are: terrorism, extremism and social media analysis, including the use of social media by political movements and law enforcement agencies.”

    Hate crimes have been invented.

    Studies have been commisioned.

    They want more policy.

    They are making it easier to sue people for libel.

    Comments are closed.

    Comments are deleted.

    The public forums are where all the real action takes place.

    They would ban it all on newspaper websites if they did not fear displacing readers who they want to spend more time reading their MSM website.

    So comments are closed, moderated and so on.

    There is a pincer movement from media corporations and the government: collecting data and then manipulating the content of public reaction.

    Of course, it isn’t necessary to always prosecute.

    That would draw the public’s attention to how big and spiteful Big Brother is.

    Just put the frighteners on people like this person here, who had the temerity to joke about Mandela:

  9. Big Brother is cock-a-hoop to be watching you!:

  10. EC December 9th, 2013 – 11:05

    Do all watch the Bill Whittle link that EC has kindly provided, it is most entertaining.

    When you do take a careful note of Bill Whittle’s neck, immediately above his Adams apple he has a large hole or recess, I have not noticed this on previous videos, whatever can it be?

  11. Pupil, a learner who is enrolled in an educational institute (a school), a young person attending school up and through senior high school.

    Student a person studying at a university or college.

    Two definitions both clear and concise but do those who run the BBC understand the difference, by their actions it would appear not, they will insist on calling all pupils students when it is abundantly clear that they are not.



    How dare these horrid, horrid closet racists protest about the BBC’s saturation coverage of the death of Nelson Mandela. I will have them know that I was watching BBC Breakfast on Saturday morning when coverage was interrrupted at 7:45 for a feature on – how the BBC had covered the death of Nelson Mandela. You can probably get it on iPlayer if you doubt what I say.

  13. David Ossitt, December 9th, 2013 – 12:27

    That’s amazing! Quite disturbing, actually. I’ve sat through 100’s of Bill’s “Trifecta” and “Afterburner” videos and never noticed that before. Just shows what an unreliable eye-witness I would be….

    I checked back through some of his “old” youtube videos. The depression wasn’t there in 2011, but it was in 2012. A mystery.

  14. So the murdering Muslim bastard who killed lee has 6 little Muslims of his own .
    How much does that little family cost us now and in the future.
    BUT. Lets remember what we were told, all family’s are equal.
    No they are not.
    Some are usefull to our county and some most certainly are not.

  15. So the murdering Muslim bastard who killed lee has 6 little Muslims of his own .
    How much does that little family cost us now and in the future.
    BUT. Lets remember what we were told, all family’s are equal.
    No they are not.
    Some are usefull to our county and some most certainly are not.
    This comment has not been posted so I will try again with this added.

  16. EC 9th, – 11:05


    Excellent! 🙂

    As Bill and Ted might have said.

  17. David Ossitt 12:27 – In the case of a “progressive” mouthpiece I’d say it was where the remote controlled voice box was installed. But with Bill Whittle, I don’t know

  18. I have just been the recipient of the care and attention given to me from my two local authorities and was able to compare with that shown at my local (privately owned) stationers.

    At the self-service stationers I picked out two rolls of Scotch Tape at £3.99p a role and an A4 pack of 100gram white copy paper.

    At the till the assistant pointed out that I could have purchased a similar amount of Sellotape for less than half the price of the Scotch Tape, I thanked her but said I was happy to pay extra for a superior product, she then; before scanning the paper pointed out that the A4 could be had in both 80 and 90gram for much less than the 100gram, again I thanked her but it was my intention to buy the 100gram.

    Compare this thoughtful service with what was soon to follow.

    I called in at the Town Council office to report a minor infringement (I was a town councillor for over fourteen years in years gone by) once inside our small Town Hall I could not gain access to the Clerk’s office without having to knock and wait to be let in, once inside I mentioned my reason for calling, only to be asked “is it on our land” when I answered ‘no but it is within the Town’ I was told that it was not their problem and that I must report it to the ‘one stop shop office of the City Council’.

    I pointed out that in my day all and any queries would be accepted and then if there were a need these we would pass on to the City or County council if it were necessary.

    I called in at the City Council one stop shop, to be faced by expensive electric doors into the first vestibule then a second pair into the shop, of the four interview desks two were empty and two had no clients but both had an assistant busily typing into their computers, a man with his identity badge hanging on a lanyard stood warming his backside on a radiator on my side of the room, we five were the only people in the room.

    I made as to approach one of the assistants, the man said “give them a minute one of them will call you over, do have a sit down while you wait” he then proceeded to make small talk for about five minutes. I was then called to one of the desks. I stated my reason for being there, the woman wrote down the details on a scrap of paper but it was apparent that she had not the slightest idea of what I was talking about and said I am not from the area, as I left I asked the man if he were and no he was not a local either.

    Our council taxes pay for these people to sit in over-heated comfort with much too little to do.

  19. I’ve linked two interesting review (in June), one on conservativehome, about two books that, tightwad that I am, I’ve currently got on order from my local library, Ed West’s ‘The Diversity Illusion’ and leftie David Goodhart’s @The British Dream’:-

  20. So there you have his defence. Not guilty because
    He is a soldier of Allah .
    He’s taking the piss out of us , our courts, our legal system, and the cost of the pantomime .
    A guy who just got 10years could have sorted this out.

  21. Joany @ 10:12

    You may argue longer than the cows coming home, you’ll never convinced everyone. You quote the hadiths of the sword, those arguing against you will furnish those of peace. What’s the point? Hitting those who break our laws, and hitting them hard, seems to the barbarian that much more effective.

  22. Peter, like John birch’s comment, one of Baron’s also failed to appear. It was posted around 16.20. How come?

  23. Baron
    “Hitting those who break our laws, and hitting them hard, seems to the barbarian that much more effective…”
    I would agree with that statement, Baron, if our laws were still the common law of England, but they are not.
    Fifty years of socialist law making and social engineering, largely unrepealed by Conservative successor governments, overseen and now subject to EU Directives, its courts and the rulings and admonishments of the ECHR has reduced the laws and punishments of England and Wales to farcical levels.
    Unless you are an honest citizen, where the full weight of totalitarian diuble think will be used to crush you.

  24. Noa @ 19:22

    Agreed, but you must also agree with Baron the way out of it is to reverse the 50 years of pseudo-liberal law making, human soul engineering. It is only through the law that we can become what we once were, a country where laws were passed by consent, common law evolved by precedents, punishment inflicted pain on the wrongdoer…

    And the first step to do it is not to vote for those who have facilitated the slide into madness, but those who side with us, or spoil the voting paper, these do get counted, and Baron often wishes to see a result in which the ‘spoils’ accounted for the largest share of the popular vote.

  25. David Ossitt @ 16:44

    David: “Our council taxes pay for these people to sit in over-heated comfort with much too little to do’.

    That about sums it up, David.

  26. Baron – only 100% spoilage renders FPTP ineffective.

  27. Yes, Baron.

    I quote the words because that is the basis of all argument.

    I know it rather helps your argument if I don’t quote the scriptures but I’m not going to do your work for you by sitting dumb.

    If you want to write the rubbish that you do then I’ll rub your nose in the blasted scriptures all day long, regardless of you telling me they mean nothing.

    It’s not my bloody fault they say what they say and that people enact them.

    As to following the bloody laws, they don’t give a damn about the laws and have grown so arrogant about ignoring them they want them changed to suit them.

  28. Change of subject: So many cyclists are being killed on London’s roads, and whilst many concerned with this issue, state that more money should be invested to make the roads safer, this is not the only answer. First, most cyclists are killed or maimed by heavy lorries. Unfortunately, many of these gigantic vehicles are in the hands of arrogant drivers, who get away with speeding and who have no respect for other road users. I emphasise that not all lorries are badly driven, but alas a large percentage are. The second problem, I believe is that too many cyclists are feckless and do not respect the highway code. Many are a constant danger to pedestrians, and have caused quite a large number of serious accidents, even deaths. Every vehicle driver has to pass a test, and I believe that cyclists should be under the same discipline. They should study the Highway Code, take an exam proving they are efficient at cycling and are capable to use the road. Surely this would help to improve things, but of course the logical answer is to have dedicated cycling areas, where only cyclists may go. This would also prevent cyclists snaring up the movement of buses and cars, preventing frayed nerves and hopefully accidents.

  29. A vile piece of propaganda from the ever-awful Malcolm Rifkind making excuses for the treacherous security services:

    The readers put the spiteful Rifkind in his place:


    With respect Sir Malcolm, if your public session with the heads of the security services held the other day is anything to go by, your inquiry will be as meaningless and embarrassing as the Hutton enquiry.

    You are the chairman of the ISC because you are safe pair of establishment hands. In short you chair it precisely because you can be relied upon not to rock the boat.

    And so, predictably, when you had the heads of the intelligence services in front of you, you spent your time lobbing insipid, soft ball questions at them which were specifically designed not to probe, but to provide them with every opportunity to go through the old “paedophiles and terrorists, everywhere!” routine.

    What is more, nobody believes that the intelligence services have gone rogue and are operating outside the law and the will of parliament, which was the thrust of your questioning previously – and an obvious straw man. what many do believe however, is that the current political class has become so authoritarian, and the police and the intelligence services so politicised, that they are both now just instruments of the state’s deeply sinister obsession with suppressing any real dissent.

    Of course they haven’t broken the law – you keep making new ones for them.


    I am inclined to think these “concerns” and advocating “the rule of law” and things like “safeguards” are all a bit puerile for the consumption of the gullible, dished out by characters who no matter what they argue for have an extremely vested interest in no change at all.

    Any governing authorities that are not fully accountable and conduct secret meetings etc. are only ever going to be corrupt. And that is what we have in Britain.

    However, I would argue the “whole thing” has now gone beyond corruption which is now to be expected and typically “comes within the rules” for the most part – and we live under a system best described as a crackpotcracy.

    In the interests of national security … blah blah blah.

  30. Re Cyclists. The same number are killed on London roads each year. It is about 12. It is less than it has been. As far as I can see it is not a big problem. Several died in a few weeks this year. That’s statistics. More motorcyclists die but the MSM ignore that fact.

  31. Re posts. Probably in moderation. I’ve been out all afternoon and evening, at Windsor and then Gatwick. My phone ran out of charge. I’ll take a look.

  32. David Ossitt @ 16:44

    As sharp and keen a summation of what’s wrong with us, as people and as a country, as any I’ve read this year.

  33. Noa,

    You and others may be interested to read Peter Hitchens’ review of The Diversity Illusion.

    Hitchens takes issue with the Japanese approach.

    Whatever your view on that, Japan has clearly decided after its experiement: no more mass immigration – thank you.

    I think it is wrong to treat the children of what are, after all, people of Japanese descent returning to their country of origin so harshly.

    But in the end, this always boils down to an either or debate.

    What they offer is mass repatriation. And I doubt they are just using their own experience in Japan. They must also be looking at the West’s self-inflicted genocide and be thinking: we’re not having that.

    People can bleat all they like about Japan’s demographics but a few less demographics has not mattered previously – it certainly won’t wipe out a race in the way mass immigration will. And the Japanese will fill a lot of menial jobs with robots, knowing them.

    Although I don’t like some of the finer details of Japan’s policy, I think they have, on balance, got it right.

    As ever, the fault lies with the wretched politicians.

    The doors should never have been opened in the first place.

    Japan has learnt to sort the problem out early and will survive as a nation.

    I doubt that’s now true for many Western nations.

    Allahuah akbar, as they say when celebrating diversity.

  34. Hitchens quotes West:

    ‘Inspired in part by Hobsbawm’s essay ‘The Forward March of Labour Halted’ many on the Left gave up the idea of the working class as a revolutionary force, and looked instead to what they called “new social movements”, women ,blacks and gays. Allied to this was a growing lack of interest in economics, and a rise in interest in cultural theory’.

    Cultural revolution, West writes, ‘was a far more attractive idea for the middle-class radicals who comprised the bulk of the New Left. Economic radicalism is not just evidently unsuccessful, but involves financial sacrifice, and shunning wealth is often necessary for personal credibility. Political radicalism costs nothing; the benefits are to middle-class cultural revolutionaries, while the risks and costs are usually borne by people far away’.

    Isn’t that the truth.

    The Left could have had a useful role in helping the indigenous poor.

    But they thought, stuff them, we’ll sit in our armchairs and change the country with a simple smear: raaaaacist.

    And so they did.

    That is the sum of their achievements: mass genocide.

    Not only did they not get rid of wealth inequality, the let devious elements of the Right exploit the indigenes as cheap labor as they now have to compete with incomers.

    The banks haven’t been reformed. They just formed a de facto world government. A stint in high office is now something you do for your CV before you go on to work for a bank where you don’t need the votes to exploit the public: look at Tony Blair.

    The Left – which had a role before all this – now has none.

    It has destroyed its own decent causes and destroyed its own people.

    Now it all it has are immigrants.

    Go beyond the smears of raaaaycism and the Left have nothing. Not because all of their orignal causes were worthless.

    They just chose the most spiteful and pointless battle to fight and the laziest. They even shortened the syllables to make it easier to scream it.

    It used to be racialist. Now it’s racist.

    They made it shorter so it could be spat out in debate to close down opponents.

    The irony being it is the self-hating whites who are the biggest racists of all.

    For what?

    Where’s the Utopia?

  35. Joany
    Thanks for the link. I recollect reading Mr Hitchen’s review last month. Re-reading it from you link I was struck, again, by the following comment and the story of the Brazilian Japanese that he relates in support of it.
    “. I think racial harmony is completely attainable, through the unifying force of a shared culture. The utter predominance of culture over ‘race’ is interestingly illustrated in reverse by this episode in Japan, about which I wrote (the full article is here ) in June 2009…”
    I’m not convinced that harmony (racial or otherwise) is attainable, or that culture will predominate over race.
    What Mr Hiychens describes is something more fundamental; it is the invasion of tribal territory by another, apparantly similar but distinct tribe. As to the matter of culture; multicuturalism will always fail, so we are left with a clash of cultures. In the UK this has become a clash of our Christian derived versus islamic culture.
    I fear that, having comprehensively denigrated and marginalised our own achievements and culture, it is now too late to change track successfully and assert its ‘clear’ superiority, except by being prepared for a long, bloody and brutal struggle.
    At present I see no appetite for such a fight.


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  37. Anne Wotana Kaye 1, December 9th, 2013 – 22:46
    Peter from Maidstone, December 9th, 2013 – 23:58

    Re Cyclists.


    The same thing applies to Cyclists. The trouble is, that many of them have an attitude problem as big as the HGV, bus or tram that eventually kills them. They cycle aggressively instead of defensively, they take risks, they do not seem to think that the highway code or, indeed, traffic lights apply to them.
    Boris Johnson might save a few lives if he told cyclists a few home truths, rather than pandered to them.

  38. I received the following from someone on my email list. It’s been seen before, or something like it; but it remains telling. Am I being waycyst for reproducing it here?

    A short time ago, Iran ‘s Supreme Leader Grand Ayatollah Ali Khomenei urged the Muslim World to boycott anything, and everything that originates with the Jewish people.

    In response, Meyer M. Treinkman, a pharmacist, out of the kindness of his heart, offered to assist them in their boycott as follows:

    “Any Muslim who has Syphilis must not be cured by Salvarsan discovered by a Jew, Dr. Ehrlich. He should not even try to find out whether he has Syphilis, because the Wasserman Test is the discovery of a Jew.

    If a Muslim suspects that he has Gonorrhea, he must not seek diagnosis, because he will be using the method of a Jew named Neissner.

    Any Muslim who has heart disease must not use Digitalis, a discovery by a Jew, Ludwig Traube.

    Should he suffer with a toothache, he must not use Novocaine, a discovery of the Jews, Widal and Weil.

    If a Muslim has Diabetes, he must not use Insulin, the result of research by Minkowsky, a Jew.

    If one has a headache, he must shun Pyramidon and Antypyrin, due to the Jews, Spiro and Ellege.

    Muslims with convulsions must put up with them because it was a Jew, Oscar Leibreich, who proposed the use of Chloral Hydrate.

    Arabs must do likewise with their psychic ailments because Freud, father of psychoanalysis, was a Jew.

    Should a Muslim child get Diphtheria, he must refrain from the “Schick” reaction which was invented by the Jew, Bella Schick.

    “Muslims should be ready to die in great numbers and must not permit treatment of ear and brain damage, work of Jewish Nobel Prize winner, Robert Baram.

    They should continue to die, or remain crippled by Infantile Paralysis because the discoverer of the anti-polio vaccine is a Jew, Jonas Salk.

    “Muslims must refuse to use Streptomycin and continue to die of Tuberculosis because a Jew, Zalman Waxman, invented the wonder drug against this killing disease.

    Muslim doctors must discard all discoveries and improvements by dermatologist, Judas Sehn Benedict, or the lung specialist, Frawnkel, and of many other world renowned Jewish scientists and medical experts.

    “In short, good and loyal Muslims properly and fittingly should remain afflicted with Syphilis, Gonorrhea, Heart Disease, Headaches, Typhus, Diabetes, Mental Disorders, Polio Convulsions and Tuberculosis and be proud to obey the Islamic boycott.”

    Oh, and by the way, don’t call for a doctor on your cell phone because the cell phone was invented in Israel by a Jewish engineer.

    Meanwhile I ask, what medical contributions to the world have the Muslims made?”

    The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000; that is ONE BILLION TWO HUNDRED MILLION or 20% of the world’s population.

    They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

    1988 – Najib Mahfooz

    1978 – Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
    1990 – Elias James Corey
    1994 – Yaser Arafat:
    1999 – Ahmed Zewai



    1960 – Peter Brian Medawar
    1998 – Ferid Mourad


    The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000; that is FOURTEEN MILLION or about 0.02% of the world’s population.

    They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

    1910 – Paul Heyse
    1927 – Henri Bergson
    1958 – Boris Pasternak
    1966 – Shmuel Yosef Agnon
    1966 – Nelly Sachs
    1976 – Saul Bellow
    1978 – Isaac Bashevis Singer
    1981 – Elias Canetti
    1987 – Joseph Brodsky
    1991 – Nadine Gordimer World

    1911 – Alfred Fried
    1911 – Tobias Michael Carel Asser
    1968 – Rene Cassin
    1973 – Henry Kissinger
    1978 – Menachem Begin
    1986 – Elie Wiesel
    1994 – Shimon Peres
    1994 – Yitzhak Rabin

    1905 – Adolph Von Baeyer
    1906 – Henri Moissan
    1907 – Albert Abraham Michelson
    1908 – Gabriel Lippmann
    1910 – Otto Wallach
    1915 – Richard Willstaetter
    1918 – Fritz Haber
    1921 – Albert Einstein
    1922 – Niels Bohr
    1925 – James Franck
    1925 – Gustav Hertz
    1943 – Gustav Stern
    1943 – George Charles de Hevesy
    1944 – Isidor Issac Rabi
    1952 – Felix Bloch
    1954 – Max Born
    1958 – Igor Tamm
    1959 – Emilio Segre
    1960 – Donald A. Glaser
    1961 – Robert Hofstadter
    1961 – Melvin Calvin
    1962 – Lev Davidovich Landau
    1962 – Max Ferdinand Perutz
    1965 – Richard Phillips Feynman
    1965 – Julian Schwinger
    1969 – Murray Gell-Mann
    1971 – Dennis Gabor
    1972 – William Howard Stein
    1973 – Brian David Josephson
    1975 – Benjamin Mottleson
    1976 – Burton Richter
    1977 – Ilya Prigogine
    1978 – Arno Allan Penzias
    1978 – Peter L Kapitza
    1979 – Stephen Weinberg
    1979 – Sheldon Glashow
    1979 – Herbert Charles Brown
    1980 – Paul Berg
    1980 – Walter Gilbert
    1981 – Roald Hoffmann
    1982 – Aaron Klug
    1985 – Albert A. Hauptman
    1985 – Jerome Karle
    1986 – Dudley R. Herschbach
    1988 – Robert Huber
    1988 – Leon Lederman
    1988 – Melvin Schwartz
    1988 – Jack Steinberger
    1989 – Sidney Altman
    1990 – Jerome Friedman
    1992 – Rudolph Marcus
    1995 – Martin Perl
    2000 – Alan J. Heeger

    1970 – Paul Anthony Samuelson
    1971 – Simon Kuznets
    1972 – Kenneth Joseph Arrow
    1975 – Leonid Kantorovich
    1976 – Milton Friedman
    1978 – Herbert A. Simon
    1980 – Lawrence Robert Klein
    1985 – Franco Modigliani
    1987 – Robert M. Solow
    1990 – Harry Markowitz
    1990 – Merton Miller
    1992 – Gary Becker
    1993 – Robert Fogel

    1908 – Elie Metchnikoff
    1908 – Paul Erlich
    1914 – Robert Barany
    1922 – Otto Meyerhof
    1930 – Karl Landsteiner
    1931 – Otto Warburg
    1936 – Otto Loewi
    1944 – Joseph Erlanger
    1944 – Herbert Spencer Gasser
    1945 – Ernst Boris Chain
    1946 – Hermann Joseph Muller
    1950 – Tadeus Reichstein
    1952 – Selman Abraham Waksman
    1953 – Hans Krebs
    1953 – Fritz Albert Lipmann
    1958 – Joshua Lederberg
    1959 – Arthur Kornberg
    1964 – Konrad Bloch
    1965 – Francois Jacob
    1965 – Andre Lwoff
    1967 – George Wald
    1968 – Marshall W. Nirenberg
    1969 – Salvador Luria
    1970 – Julius Axelrod
    1970 – Sir Bernard Katz
    1972 – Gerald Maurice Edelman
    1975 – Howard Martin Temin
    1976 – Baruch S. Blumberg
    1977 – Roselyn Sussman Yalow
    1978 – Daniel Nathans
    1980 – Baruj Benacerraf
    1984 – Cesar Milstein
    1985 – Michael Stuart Brown
    1985 – Joseph L. Goldstein
    1986 – Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
    1988 – Gertrude Elion
    1989 – Harold Varmus
    1991 – Erwin Neher
    1991 – Bert Sakmann
    1993 – Richard J. Roberts
    1993 – Phillip Sharp
    1994 – Alfred Gilman
    1995 – Edward B. Lewis
    1996- Lu RoseIacovino

    TOTAL: 129!

    The Jews are NOT promoting brainwashing children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non-Muslims.

    The Jews don’t hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics, or blow themselves up in German restaurants.

    There is NOT one single Jew who has destroyed a church.

    There is NOT a single Jew who protests by killing people. The Jews don’t traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels.

    Perhaps the world’s Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.

    Muslims must ask ‘what can they do for humankind’ before they demand respects from humankind.

    Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the Palestinians. and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more culpability on Israel ‘s part, the following two sentences really say it all:

    ‘If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel .”

    Benjamin Netanyahu: “General Eisenhower warned us. It is a matter of history that when the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, General Dwight Eisenhower, found the victims of the death camps he ordered all possible photographs to be taken, and for the German people from surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps and even made to bury the dead.”

    He did this because he said in words to this effect: “Get it all on record now – get the films – get the witnesses – because somewhere down the road of history some @#!*% will get up and say that this never happened.”

    Recently, the UK debated whether to remove “The Holocaust” from its school curriculum because it ‘offends’ the Muslim population which claims it never occurred.

    It is not removed, as yet. However, this is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is giving into it.

    It is now more than 65 years after the Second World War in Europe ended.

    Now, more than ever, with Iran, among others, claiming the Holocaust to be ‘a myth’, it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets.

    This e-mail is intended to reach 400 million people. Be a link in the memorial chain and help distribute this around the world.


    To which I would like to add the following footnote from Standpoint magazine:

  39. EC
    December 10th, 2013 – 07:28
    Quite correct, EC! I am sick and tired of risking life and limb using a pedestrian crossing. Vehicles politely give way to us pedestrians, yet an idiot in day-glo, helmeted like a toy soldier will wizz past. Also, try walking on the pavement, many of these two-wheeled demons think they have the right of way there too. There should definitely be an exam-based license issued for cylits.

  40. You have a good point, Noa.

    Can racial mix ever be harmonious? Can cultural mix ever be harmonious?

    I say a definite no to the second, but find it difficult to decide which is the cart and the horse.

    Because race can be used by using the weapon of the womb.

    Yasser Arafat used to say the ‘womb of the Palestinian woman will defeat the Zionists’ – that’s a trick used by Muslims everywhere.

    It’s the oldest trick in the book.

    As Mark Steyn puts it:

    ‘Let’s start with demography, because everything does.’

    If the cultural door were closed, Islam would use the racial door and then create political pressure through numbers to open the cultural door.

    In Britain, it finds both doors open and is bursting through them at a rate of knots.

    So the country sinks.

    Daniel Hannan offers yet another sleight of hand article on immigration today.

    It tells us less about his thoughts on immigration than it does the level of panic inside the Conservatives that they have permanently lost a huge voting block.

    It is a soothing tone propaganda article: ‘We care. We really do. We could control it. Would that be better?’

    It’s sickening in its disingenuousness.

    The readers – rightly in my view – react with fury.

    It is too late for what Hannan suggests. It is a lie. It is not going to happen.

    It’s just a ‘let’s hang out the good argument for immigration by saying it will be CONTROLLED FROM NOW ON’.

    How can he be so bare faced as to write such drivel?

    The bank is robbed.

    Don’t worry, the locks are being put on today.

    The people want their country back.

    Not some phoney argument that the Tories will control immigration, which they promised over many years and were proven to be liars about.

    This is an argument put forward by politicians from political parties that lie, lie, lie.

    They are proven liars and any suggestion that they will CONTROL IT FROM NOW ON deserves all the contempt it gets.

    Japan has it right: out the door you go. Goodbye. Missing you already.

    This post from a blogger here in the US expresses the overlap between race and culture:

    Islamic Jihad fought through the womb

    Yassar Arafat once said something to the effect that the womb of the Muslim woman was the greatest weapon Islam had in its war to overthrow “Western Civilization.”

    I am paraphrasing but that is essentially what he said.

    He, for once, spoke the truth.

    The Opinionator has a great post that makes the threat we face clear, present, and permanent: The Population Jihad. The goal is for each Muslim woman to have as many children as possible, producing not just children but Muslims born to and chained to Islam – No Way Out.

    Then throw in a few laws about what happens when different cultures are competing for the same resources: food, shelter, etc.

    The numerically weaker side – although superior in technology – stands the risk of being over-run; it is a certainty if they will not do what is necessary to defend their culture, their mores, and their lives.

    In Western societies, England comes to mind, the growing Muslim population – as I understand it – invades and takes over towns and then hops on the British welfare train so that the Brits not only get their towns closed off to them, they get to pay for the food, shelter, medical care, and education of the interlopers.

    I’m sure the bitter irony is not lost on the average British working man and woman.

  41. Anne Wotana Kaye 1@December 9th, 2013 – 22:46
    So many HGV’s are no foreign registered, and presumably foreign driven.
    Driven so badly. They seem to be unable to understand road signs, ending up on weight restricted roads etc.
    But their favourite trick is to approach roundabouts in the left hand lane and then turn right. Hard luck if you are in the outside lane and going straight on as allowed by highway code 186

  42. Alexsandr
    December 10th, 2013 – 12:19
    Agree! Also, note how reluctant the law is to punish them. Probably carrying illegals within their depths!

  43. UK jobs boom:

  44. Nazim Khan, one of the TV Dragons who goes under the name of James Caan, is opening the first Sharia compliant shopping centre in the UK in Kidderminster.

    I’ll not be investing.

  45. Joany @11:51

    Some “cultures” are even divided within themselves in that they are gynophobic.
    The only thing that western women really need to know about islam is that at the mosque the women’s entrance is always round the back!
    Those ghastly, strident, lefty feminist wimmin, who are unnaturally silent about the oppression, subjugation and ill treatment of women within that ideology, should hang their heads in shame.

  46. AWK1 10th, – 10:40

    “Also, try walking on the pavement, many of these two-wheeled demons think they have the right of way there too.”

    Of course, if you were walking with a feminine wiggle, and your swaying hip just managed to clip his handlebars, causing him to topple over into the road, where he belongs (although, I grant, not lying on his side)….. 🙂

  47. Ostrich (occasionally)
    December 10th, 2013 – 13:18
    Lovely! You make me feel so young! 🙂

  48. And another thing ….
    all these infernal electric “mobility” carts that are hogging the pavements these days….
    Has anybody else noticed how the “drivers” of these vehicles always seem to be smoking a fag, or using a mobile phone?

  49. This is an ‘anti-censorship’ article by someone who knows that he can cover the base he wants to with surveillance instead.

    Yes, it’s our old friend Jamie Bartlett of Demos.

    As ever for a member of Demos, it’s important for Jamie to put the ‘far right’, whoever they are, on the same level as jihadists.

    I know the Google current affairs and factual search results are skewed by corporations and news outfits paying to go up the rankings and by government requests for other things to go lower down (on the pages 2, 3, 4 and so on of search results, which mosts users never look at).

    Cameron has been in bed with Google like whore over her best customer.

    People really must sort out their digital blind spot and I hope the Snowden revelations are making them do just that.

    The Establishment is missing the power it once had with print media and it is working night and day to get it back.

  50. I’ll put these comments here before they’re deleted.

    It’s good that people know the mainstream media have handed their chatboards over to the security services tool (they used to just have columnists seconded from MI5 and planted stories, now they have direct access to the readers):


    Wow – and this piece is still accepting comments? In contrast, it seems the censors / the proprietors didn’t want any sort of debate on the Mandela final arrangements covered in umpteen adjacent pieces.

    There is respect, of course, there is also the suppression of those who wish to other than lionise the lately deceased.

    I remember when we used to have umpteen inducing bigoted bile which started to look like they were seeded by those in the intelligence community tracking certain categories of respondents – until it got so obvious they eased off.



    Excellent and very accurate comment. It would seem that it’s not just the government who are censoring us. BTW did you folks realise that all your comments are collected and saved? They never get deleted.

  51. Malfleur @ Dec 10 9.20
    Fantastic list ! How can I pass it on ?

  52. Great comments underneath Bartlett’s propaganda:


    The relentlessness of this propaganda is incredible.

    Faced with irrefutable proof of worldwide mass Islamic terrorism ,these appeasers seek to hide the truth by pretending there is a corresponding problem of “right wing terrorism”

    I know there have been a miniscule number of right wing crimes in the USA but no more than normal criminal activity.

    Is there any proof of terrorism being carried out in Europe or the UK by any group which can compare with that continually attempted & fairly often successfully carried out by the followers of Islam

    Europe & America have a terrorism problem with Islamic radicals ,we will not crack this problem until we are allowed by our appeasing political class to call it as it is


    What could be more ‘extremist’ than allowing a nation’s borders to be virtually dissolved in the interests of big business.

  53. Traveller

    Dispossession level third world mass immigration to the West , is ;

    1 ) Far Left Wing extremism + Far Super Capitalist Wing extremism + mainstream media extremism
    The fellow travellers of demographic jihad .

    2 ) Cultural Marxist cultural terrorism and ethnic warfare by way of the ruling elites policies which are hostile to the economic, cultural , territorial, ethnic interests and future of the West’s majority populations .

    3 ) ” Modern neo-anti-racism ´” is in fact the anti-White Communism / Bolshevism of the 21st century repackaged and renamed as ” Liberalism ”

    4 ) One of the main components of this more well mannered, subtle, more sophisticated and incrementalist form of corporate, and demographically engineered genocide, is complicit denial and collaboration by all the state and public institutions — goverment , civil sector, police force, judiciary, universities , schools , mainstream media and Western intelligence services

    5 ) A vast network of interconnected state sanctioned and supported shadowy social change-agent think tanks, NGO’s , pressure groups, politicised lobby interest groups and their Left agit-prop ideological enforcers cooperate are exploited by the Geo-Political International Finance Coporate elite as a way to achieve their ambitions . International Super Capitalists have worked closely together with and exploited Communists, Marxists, Leftists, and Liberals over the last hundred years and supported many Left wing causes as a way avoid being at the mercy of the free market , and consolidate their position .

    6 ) This is the reason for the increasing well orchestrated campaign of oppression , demonisation ,intimidation, social ostracisation by way of an entire raft of Race Relation Amendment employment Acts., making any questionijng of multicultural dogma by anyone employed by the state a ” sacking offence , and Public Order Acts . EU Framework speech code Laws , public / media witch hunts and show trials , legal persecutions , prosecutions and imprisonment .

    7 ) In North America , Australia, and Western Europe, the human rights of anyone the ruling elite radically disagrees with, regardless of whether those who they disagree with are democratically elected , are being denied by the state , as we can see using just one example , such as the EU ‘s ruling elite who have voted to strip Marie Le Pen from her diplomatic immunity to prevent her from criticising goverment policy concerning Muslim immigration .

    What we are witnessing is the incrementalist Sovietisation of the West .

  54. Again, another poster writing under the Bartlett propaganda article:


    All a bit of a waste of time, really.

    You can filter anything you want online but the damage starts way before stuff bubbles up into the light of the internet day.

    If you want to get rid of terrorism, get rid of islam, because that’s the root cause.

    If you cast your eye back over the last 1400 years, this odious ‘ religion ‘ ( and I use that word in the most liberal of senses, because islam is proof that anyone can set up a group, say it worships god, and suddently have every barbarity legitimized in the eyes of all and sundry ) has spread misery, domination, cruelty and oppression.

    It is thoroughly racist, teaches that slavery is normal, and is the most widely-accepted and adoringly fawned-over tribute to bigotry ever penned.

    When any group’s pivotal figure is a paedophile, murderer and slave-owner, it is not difficult to conclude why its followers feel comfortable expressing similar traits.

    The absurd thing is that we not only permit this charade, we actively praise it.

    How many times have you heard some lying politician referring to it as ‘ one of the great religions ‘ ?

    With elected friends like those speaking on your behalf, the internet and any old website is hardly your enemy.

    As for ‘ Far Right ‘ websites, these really are worthy of no more than the raggle-taggle, nutjob label – the ‘ tiny minority ‘ status that’s so often mistakenly afforded to religion of peace terrorists who, in reality, number countless millions.

  55. Joany, it is possible to go off grid with comments if required but its not possible to be both open and private at the same time. I’m not yet sure sites like this bother the PTB until things start getting done. I think they still prefer us to talk and hope that is all we will do.

  56. Alexsandr December 10th, 2013 – 12:19

    “Hard luck if you are in the outside lane and going straight on as allowed by highway code 186”

    Allowed? Yes; but not actually recommended, in fact it is not precisely indicated as straight ahead is listed as when taking any intermediate exit, see below.

    Highway Code Rule 186

    Signals and position. When taking the first exit, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
    •signal left and approach in the left-hand lane
    •keep to the left on the roundabout and continue signalling left to leave.

    When taking an exit to the right or going full circle, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
    •signal right and approach in the right-hand lane
    •keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout
    •signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want.

    When taking any intermediate exit, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
    •select the appropriate lane on approach to and on the roundabout
    •you should not normally need to signal on approach
    •stay in this lane until you need to alter course to exit the roundabout
    •signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want.

    When there are more than three lanes at the entrance to a roundabout, use the most appropriate lane on approach and through it.

  57. Postergirl December 10th, 2013 – 15:15
    Malfleur @ Dec 10 9.20 Fantastic list ! How can I pass it on ?

    This is very easy first copy then paste onto a blank Word Document, then set your email up and ready then either, copy and paste to your email or use the word document as an attachment to the email.

    I am assuming that you know how to copy and paste, just in case you do not then do the following, to copy place your curser at the very beginning of the piece to be copied then press the left mouse button down and whilst keeping it down drag the curser down the entire article to be copied, it will all be highlighted in black, place the curser into the black area and press the right mouse button in the menu box that appears click on copy, once done place curser at the start of the page you wish to copy to and again right hand mouse button but this time click on paste, job done.

  58. Joany @ 22:35

    Rubbing Baron’s nose it it is on par with going on about the Koran, Joany, if it helped Baron would gladly volunteer his nose (and it’s a mighty one, a serious contender in the elephant trunk competition).

    Baron sticks to his argument, the best way of conquering them is not to use the gun and stuff, but to convince them to keep the worshipping of Allah behind a closed door of their abodes, leave Caesar to take care of governance.

  59. Noa @ 01:15

    Peter Hitchen’s right that racial harmony is attainable, through the unifying force of a shared culture.

    The history of this country attests to it, the Romans (who were not really people born in Rome, but a wide mix of different ‘nationalities’) adding to the Celts, thenSaxons, Angles, the Vikings, the Normans ….. the new settlers, albeit in smaller numbers, arrived throughout the centuries, adapted, influenced the local culture from within, and all that has evolved into a common culture that characterised the British until the new wave of immigrants hit the shores in the last decades.

  60. Joany @ 11:51

    But everyone can play the womb game. In Britain, we are witnessing now a revival of birth rates. Foreign born mothers outstrip the local ones, but not by much (2.1% as against 1.9%).

    More to the point, people in poor countries have many kids because they have no pension, no Welfare. One should certainly avoid predicting anything, but Baron’s certain the kids born to Muslim parents today will not breed in anywhere the numbers their parents did. Epicureanism is a disease that invades all genes equally.

  61. Malfleur @ 09:20

    A superb contribution, Malfleur, the top of it exceeds the bottom list (Baron happens to have a similar list of names), it’s the linking to the specific drugs that makes it so valuable against the bleating of the moronic Ayatollah.

  62. Alexsandr @ 12:19

    Not that long ago, Baron and his three grandsons were nearly run down by three cyclists in London, who must have thought they were in a race. No foreign or domestic lorry in sight.

    They are a menace, at traffic lights a big menace, almost always jump them, wobbling as they gather speed.

  63. Baron
    December 10th, 2013 – 17:44
    They are a bloody nuisance! That grey, wild-haired, woman MP who whines at how funds should be given for cycle lanes should try and cross theroad when they are about.

  64. Re: Birth Rates.

    The official ONS figures say for 2010…

    The total fertility rates have risen to 1.88 for UK born women and 2.45 for non-UK born women.

    UK born women are not necessarily British in any cultural sense and can still represent ghettoised immigrant communities. Thus pushing up the ‘UK born women’ birth rate.

    Pakistani birth rate is about twice the White British at present, and the Bangladeshi almost three times the White British. Many of these mothers will have been born here but are not British.

    This means that in a city such as Birmingham or the East End, the white British population is being massively out bred.

  65. The word dude ain’t even close to what the man said, the closest equivalent would be ‘oh shite’.

  66. Peter from Maidstone @ 17:55

    Peter, read the WSJ piece, the aggregate trend is rising, birthrates to foreign born women trending down, locals up.

    But anyway, Baron only quoted the article to make a point that birth rates are a fickle issue, they do switch for reasons one may only guess at. Charles Murray, the respected US sociologist has made this point, too, and not only once.

  67. Baron – 17:18

    Peter Hitchen’s right that racial harmony is attainable, through the unifying force of a shared culture… The history of this country attests to it…etc”

    I rather argue that the history of these islands attests to the reverse. The various cultures have time and again, like tectonic plates, crashed into each other, emphasing to this day the racial and cultural differences and indeed hatreds, between Anglo-Saxons and Celts.
    The list is long; the civil wars from 1641 to 1651, the jacobite rebellions, the Irish question, rebellion, the Irish home rule debate, near civil war in 1913, and the
    1916 Uprising, resulting Civi war and creation of the Irish Free State.
    Scotland has been following the same path and will, probably, sooner or later become a separate EU province, independent at least from its hated neighbour.
    Wales? We’l see what happens there. Though I would not give odds against a Celtic Union of Ireland, Scotland and Wales in a foreseeable future.
    And yet this has happened, indeed is happening now, against the patent nonsense of the claim that we are broadly a single race and have a’unified culture’!
    Now introduce the diverse current conflicts of millions of Hindus, Sikhs, Bangadeshis, Pakistanis, Kashmiris, Bantus, Zulus, and a hundred other African and post colonial flotsam onto the small stage that is England and show me that that you can attain the nirvana of cultural unity and subsequent racial harmony!

  68. Baron the WSJ piece is wrong if it does not use the ONS figures. Even common sense looking around shows that ethnic minority and immigrant birth rates are much higher than white British.

  69. Peter, something’s not right with the site.

    Baron copied the u-tube address, wanted to write a word or two when the screen flicked, a message ‘a duplicate posting detected… (or words similar to that), and the the address appeared on your site.

    You work miracles or what?

  70. Peter from Maidstone @ 18:24

    Peter, the number of indigenous women outstrips those born outside the UK by around 15 to 1, hence the latter would have to breed at a rate 15times that of the former to produce the same number of offspring – physical impossibility, Peter, it takes nine months to deliver a child.

  71. Baron, just because someone is born here doesn’t make them British. The Bangladeshi ghetto in the East End is not British.

    The population of ethnic origin in the East End is 85% Bangladeshi in some areas. What matters is the concentration of such ethnic and non-British comumnities. They cannot be compared with the entire dispersed population of white British people. The population of London is only 45% white British. The demographics are already against us. And in Leicester, Luton and Birmingham where non-British are out-breeding us.

  72. Noa @ 18:22

    Good point, some of the fusing of cultures in the past did happen through wars, we didn’t know any better, but after the Romans left around 410AD there is not much evidence of fighting (bar few legends). Britain then had some 5mn people, the hordes that landed here were much smaller in numbers. It is still a puzzle to historians why the society abandoned the comfortable houses, police, civil administration and sank to living in halls with animals.

    OK, if Britain doesn’t fit, how about Brazil. As mixed from different races as it gets, yet shared culture, and it seems to work.

  73. Baron, it is not really a puzzle. (Sorry to be seeming to contradict your posts). Taxation ceased and so all civil society collapsed. There were great industries which depended on such a society, such as pottery manufacturer. When the currency based economy and tax funded government ceased then various industries also collapsed, and Britain lost, for instance, the production of pottery goods for some time. The same would happen here. How many of us know how to make a pottery mug? If the mug factories collapsed we would be reduced to using whatever we had to hand until it broke, and then whatever we could bodge together. Taxation required the threat of force, when that was removed then there was nothing to fund government, centralisation was lost and local leaders regained power. Part of the success of the incoming Anglo-Saxon culture was that it worked and so was adopted quickly.

  74. Good to see Cameron acting like a real statesman…

    Cameron the statesman

    The lady in the middle is the Prime Minister of Denmark, and co-incidentally the daughter in law of Neil Kinnock. No nepotism in that family of course.

  75. Noa @ 18:22

    Also, if you believe a culture couldn’t beat race you cannot but also argue race trumps it all for there is nothing else big enough to mould us, that’s what got Adolf into trouble, his deluded view on his race’s superiority.

    The evidence though is massively against him, Noa. If it’s race then why was it the Chinese who dominated when we were still running half naked? And that includes the Huns who were probably running Full Monty naked.

    In the Roman Empire at its peak people born in Rome were in minority, the majority of Romans (not unlike the Americans today) had little to do with the place they were born, their race, what kept them together was a shared culture, the same thing that binds tte Americans today.

  76. Baron – 18:42

    Sorry, a little research on google shows that Brazil is starting to develop the same inter-racial tensions as the rest of the world. Haves v Have nots, ”Afro-brazilians’, human rights, ‘affirmative action’ programmes linked to race and ethnic origin rather than ability etc etc.
    This was borne out by my youngest daughter’s two months experience in Sao Paulo this summer. The colonial heritage is despised, as are its Portugese descendents, who still control muost of the country’s wealth, resources and politics.
    Race is really only the new communism, it’s simply an ideological tool, and a damnably effective one too, which is used to transfer wealth and property from the have nots (mainly brown and black) to the haves, (mainly white).

  77. Baron December 10th, 2013 – 16:59

    “leave Caesar to take care of governance.”

    Correct; 100%.

  78. Peter from Maidstone @ 18:48

    Absolutely right, Peter, but the question remains why did the societal fabric collapsed with fewer than 10% of new arrivals whose culture was nothing but primitive. Why didn’t they adapted to the locals, why was it the other way round?

    It’s not a tricky question, Peter, Baron has no idea, you know by far more about it than him.

  79. Baron 18:57
    “…if you believe a culture couldn’t beat race you cannot but also argue race trumps it all for there is nothing else big enough to mould us, that’s what got Adolf into trouble, his deluded view on his race’s superiority…”

    Godwin’s Law invoked my friend? Surely not!
    If Hitler hadn’t had an insane hatred of the Jews which led to mass extermination would he have been distinguishable from Stalin?
    Would German national socialism, rather than Russian International socialism, have emerged as the ideological victor of the 20th century? For certainly democratic capitalism, despite a brief flourishing in the second half of the century, is being replaced by a creeping, post-communist totalitarianism.
    I think race is just too big for people to comprehend, except at a very top level. We are basically much more tribal, local and regional than that and when the nation state-our nation state! – is deliberately broken by our knavish politicians they quickly imperil it.
    Look at how David Ossitt and I tease each other about the old Lancashire/Yorkshire fueds and rivalries. It’s light hearted enough, but the Indian sub continent tribes and their feuds, so recently seeded alongside us, really add violent unpredictable new fuel to the embers of a still burning fire.
    The hierarchy is simple, in descending order it quickly becomes:-
    With the boundary between 4. and 5. becoming increasingly blurred.

  80. Peter from Maidstone December 10th, 2013 – 18:52

    “The lady in the middle is the Prime Minister of Denmark, and co-incidentally the daughter in law of Neil Kinnock. No nepotism in that family of course.”

    The Lady to the right; Michelle Obama, has a sour look on her face, perhaps because she is not included in the ménage à trois but then it would not be à trois.

    I wonder did DC try his hand with the PM of D.

  81. How was Anglo Saxon culture primitive? The Roman economy had collapsed in the 5th century and reverted to iron age culture. In that context Anglo Saxon culture was highly successful and attractive. There were no more Roman goods coming in to Britain or being made in Britain. But the Anglo Saxons weren’t savages and people tended to prefer to become Anglo Saxon rather than starve while remembering the glories of Rome. In Kent it happened quickly. In other places took much longer and in the margins the British returned to the Iron age without being conquered.

  82. It wasn’t the Anglo Saxons who undermined Roman society in Britain. That was already collapsing. Ambrosius Aurelianus and Arthur and Vortigern are the last remnants of Romanised rule. After that the historians just speak of lots of corrupt local kings fighting each other.Wrexham was one of the last places trying to be a Roman town. But even there Roman houses collapsed and Anglo Saxon style houses were built as being more appropriate to the economic circumstances.

  83. Noa @ 19:10

    The convulsions in the Brazilian society you are describing doesn’t negate the notion that common culture is the key cementing ingredient in any polity, it just that societies do go through phases of madness for one reason or another. Look at us, we seem to have lost common sense long time ago.

    Successive governments have been obsessed with one singular objective, hiking the standard of living for all, mostly through wealth distribution. Not only have they neglected wealth creation, they also ignored the pseudo-liberal left’s infiltration of those institutions (media, education, civil societies and such like) that help to form people’s take on life in spheres other than economic.

    They, the successive governments, allowed to Left to hijack the agenda for immigration, law and order, the EU, the environment (the global warming idiocy), Welfare, and we’re paying the price for it. But if Baron’s right, this detour from our past will end, it must for if it doesn’t we will only validate Toynbee’s quip ‘societies don’t get murdered, they commit suicide’.

    What binds the vast majority of us still – the common language, the shared past, the Queen, the celebration of the dead from the two wars – have not suffered terminally, not yet anyway. There are still people around who see the dangers (all of us on the site, millions of others), and unless the unwashed are coerced to vote as they are told, the elections faked, we will pull out. The ‘healthy core of Englishness’ will get out of hibernation, will reasserts itself.

  84. Noa December 10th, 2013 – 19:30

    “Look at how David Ossitt and I tease each other about the old
    Lancashire/Yorkshire feuds and rivalries.”

    And further more deep, deep, down they are very real.

    However; no true Yorkshire Man, would ever allow anyone else from elsewhere in these Isles to slag off a Lancastrian in his presence, that is our privilege and theirs (Lancastrian) earned by war long ago but war just the same.

    A good example is the fury now apparent in Yorkshire that there are those in Leicester who want to inter our King Richard III in their city just because his remains were found there, his place should and must be in Yorkshire, not only is he family but he has decedents still living here.

  85. Noa @ 19:30

    Good stuff, Noa, you did give it more than a minute of thought. Impressive.

    Look, Baron’s guessing as much as anyone else. Just this on your ranking from family to nation: the thing that underpins it is common culture, the lot, from the family as the building blog of it down to the national state.

    Baron’s off for tonight. A duty calls, a match to watch.

  86. Peter from Maidstone @ 19:41


  87. Re my post of 19:30

    Where do you think culture fits in on that list?
    For what it’s worth I’d say that, when a settled society permits, and only then, it permeates, like cement, between all of its building blocks, from 1. to 5. inclusive, holding them all together.

  88. “Fifteen soldiers have been jailed after a court martial for staging a ‘sit-in’ protest against two senior officers”. Seems the soldiers objected to being given orders by ‘muppets’. Their officers must have been some of Philip Hammond’s shmucks!

  89. David Ossitt – 19:49

    Well said David.

    As Englishmen we proudly share a common culture and heritage founded in and painfully forged in blood and iron.
    It is not a heritage shared with Indian sub-continental economic migrant peasants, and especially not those who are muslims.

  90. Noa @ 20:02

    You have it in one, Noa. Like cement or mortar in a solid brick building, the culture binds it all together, and as may happen in a building, there have been cracks appearing here and there, but the foundations, the structure, the supporting beams are still solid, all the proud house owner has to do is repair the cracks, and the way to carry it out is through the ballot box.

    The second half’s on, but MU aren’t doing well, the Brazilians in the Slav squad are doing the running.

  91. “…the foundations, the structure, the supporting beams are still solid, all the proud house owner has to do is repair the cracks, and the way to carry it out is through the ballot box. ..” mmm

  92. Just arrived in my email:

    “The e-petition ‘UKIP to be involved in 2015 Televised Debates’ signed by you recently reached 29,528 signatures and a response has been made to it.

    This is not a matter for Government. The arrangement for party political broadcast and debates are for the parties themselves.”


  93. A late one from my naughty, naughty niece:

    Warning about e –bay
    Be careful about what you buy on e -bay
    If you buy on line check out seller carefully

    A friend of mine has just spent £95 +vat On a penis enlarger.
    Bastards sent him a magnifying glass.
    The only instructions said,
    “Don’t use in direct sunlight”.

  94. One for EC, who has an interest in The Netherlands, Weather/Climate, Photography and Wild Life.

    Ticks all the boxes and you will all be transported for 7+ minutes. It is wonderful to assume that this record may one day be available to other life within the universe millions of millennia hence, long after life here is extinct. If perchance that is a false assumption, for whatever happenstance, then we are even more privileged to experience the work of this consummate craftsman.

  95. Frank P @02:10,

    Thanks, Frank. As you said, that was absolutely “stunning.”
    GV can certainly pick ’em ! I must resolve to visit GV’s AD site on a daily basis. Also, more importantly, I must resolve to “get out more” as many other bloggers have advised me to do, over the years! 🙂

    Awesome photography by Peter Klaver set to a perfect choice of some haunting music by Hans Zimmer. I just checked out the link to his macro photography video “Life in the Undergrowth.” That is well worth a look too.

  96. Frank P @02:10,

    Seeing that movie , above, trying to throw off the odd tinge of regret, here and there, about how much of my life has been spent/wasted flying a desk….
    Then I remembered this video (also from AD?) that you posted up a few years back i.e. It’s never too late !

    Let’s Ride Motorbikes!

  97. News »
    Damien Hirst paintings worth £33k stolen from London gallery

    Musta been his complete body of work! 🙂

  98. Door opens, revealing a darkened room, with strains of Beethoven emanating…

    Quavering voice from within:

    “Can I come out now? Has everybody stopped talking about Mandela?”

  99. From an article on EU subsidiarity over at the ‘other place’.

    “The Europe Minister wrote: ‘I’m sure [members] will be pleased to know that in their Subsidiarity Review, the Dutch Government proposed a new principle: ‘at European level only when necessary, at national level whenever possible’.’”

    Wha-at? Has somebody not been reading their briefings?

    How about national governments being the bodies to determine ‘necessary’ and ‘possible’?


  100. The Ozzie who disrupted the Boat Race will not now be deported. As I remember this individual said some pretty rude things about this country, but hell, it’s his ‘uman right innit. I remember from My days down under, the wonderful phrase “If you don’t like Australia, Leave it.” So Trenton my old son, get the fuck out of here and do not come back.

  101. Hey maybery, we don’t want him back!

  102. Someone bucking the reverential trend.

    Mind you, he must have had balls of steel to do it in front of a worldwide audience.

  103. Andy , I suspect he was there officially as part of the pretence that things are done correctly .
    They probably had no idea what the bloke waving his hands about is doing, but they have seen it done so let’s get someone doing it.

  104. That sign language interpreter – just one fraud at an international symposium of fraudsters!

  105. ACP (13:59)

    Just another mute-ation of the Mandela myth. All part of the circus.

    And while we’re on the subject of Serth Efrica (and likely to be for a few days yet), what do you make of this? You’re a numbers cruncher, if I remember correctly?

    Accurate? Or just another phase of the game?

  106. EC (09:07)

    “Let’s ride motorbikes!”

    Seems a long time now since I had any inclination to get my leg over anything.:-)

    But then, there’s still the dreams, the reveries and the odd recall here and there.

    Nooo …!! Not that odd, Car Park!

  107. Where’s Verity btw? Hope all is well in Old Mehico …

  108. The NN attempts to lighten the funereal zeitgeist that has the globe in its grip. It’s probably a criminal offence to joke at this time, given Joany’s link earlier this week, see:

    Anyway, let’s fly in the face of it:

    Dorothy is very upset as her husband Albert had just passed away.
    She goes to the mortuary to look at her dearly departed & the instant
    she sees him she starts wailing & crying.

    One of the attendants rushes up to comfort her.

    Through her tears she explains that she was upset because Albert was
    wearing a black suit & that it was his dying wish to be buried in a
    blue suit.

    The attendant apologises & explains that they always put the bodies
    in a black suit as a matter of course, but he’d see what he could do.
    The next day Dorothy returns to the mortuary to have one last moment
    with Albert before his funeral the following day.

    When the attendant pulls back the curtain, Dorothy manages to smile
    through her tears as Albert is now wearing a smart blue suit. She asks
    the attendant “how did you manage to get hold of that beautiful blue

    “Well, yesterday afternoon after you left, a man about your husband’s
    size was brought in & he was wearing a blue suit. His wife explained
    that she was very upset as he had always wanted to be buried in a black
    suit” the attendant replied.

    He continued “It was simply a matter of swapping the heads round”

  109. An American take on the Woolwich trial; no jokes on this one, please:

    I still can’t figure out why someone who, in self-defence, could shoot off a finger about to pull a trigger in anger, couldn’t find a rather wide bridge of the nose between the eyes of the potential assailant. Wouldn’t that have saved an awful lot of the tax-payers’s money and the time of the Court? Just sayin’ …

  110. Apologies: wrong link for the report on the Woolwich trial. Try this one:

  111. World banker confesses . Frank p 15.56.

    Virtually every project I have been to in china over the last 15 years has been financed by the world bank.
    Every one was a major infrastructure project that would allow china to do our work more efficiently , guaranteed to take jobs away from the west.
    Hard not to come to conclusions that a great plan was behind it all.
    One project was even more odd, a huge new sewage works.
    State of the art, latest technology , and huge office blocks.
    I needed to see a guy and was told he was on the second floor of one of the office blocks .
    I asked how I would find him, and was told the second floor was his. !!!!
    When I got there sure enough he had this enourmous floor to himself.
    When I questioned him about this I was told the buildings were built for hundreds of Chinese to work in but it turned out the world bank loans stipulated the manning levels, which were to western standards.
    I never found out why they could control things like that.
    In these sort of countries you have enough problems dealing with things you can control, never mind things you will never get to the bottom of.

  112. Frank P December 11th, 2013 – 17:04

    Apologies: wrong link for the report on the Woolwich trial. Try this one:

    Frank this one will not link.

  113. Oh dear, seems Abu Qatada iz not a happy bunny. Finally sent back home to Jordan, he and his sow haven’t been given a mansion to live in, like they had in London, and he thinks his ‘Uman Rights are not respected. Personally, I would like them to boil him in oil, but I am afraid the Liberty Bodices here will demand he is returned to the UK.

  114. David O

    Hmmn … it worked when I just clicked on it. Must be your end.

  115. Frank P December 11th, 2013 – 21:02

    David O

    Works now, thank you Frank.

  116. Ok, it may not be profound, but I really enjoy cartoons that put superficial modern habits into an historical context.

    Mind, he didn’t draw this cartoon in 5 minutes, did he? He’s clearly had several of the bits lying around in his computer for a while, just waiting for the opportunity to bring them together…..and on Wednesday he got that opportunity…in spades!


    Seems like the lefties might just be waking up at last, although it might be too late. Now let’s hear the NUS views on genital mutilation, beating your wife (in accordance with the little book of hate guidelines, of course), the Saudi ban on women drivers etc etc.

    Don’t hold your breath.

  118. Ostrich (occasionally)
    December 11th, 2013 – 23:33

    Apropos of which:

    Read the comments, too.

  119. and this, too:

    Greenfield surpasses Orwell on occasions (imho).

  120. More brain food for the hungry:

    ? & ?. Yes … but ….

  121. Ostrich (o) – 23.33

    I notice that again it’s the cow what glowers its disapproval!

    And I can’t let a Nativity scene go past, even this one, without offering this motet by Jean Mouton, wreathed and rapt with wonder and tenderness.

  122. Michael Savage on Mandela, Mandela’s Funeral, Obama’s “selfie” with Cameron and the the Danish premier,and Obama’s bowing to Raoul Castro – yes another tirade, then followed by an interview with someone who knows the truth about Mandela.

    How about a tirade by someone in England? Anyone have the passion or is everyone too clapped out for tirades of outrage?

    Skip a football match – give it a listen…

  123. “NOW OBAMA GETS ‘EXECUTIVE POWER’ CZAR. Specializes in bypassing Congress to enact ‘progressive change’”

    The cornerstone of our civilization is crashing down.

  124. Frank P
    December 11th, 2013 – 16:11
    Where’s Verity btw? Hope all is well in Old Mehico …
    I too hope all’s well with Verity. Miss you, gal, and just hope it’s just boredom with preaching to the reformed that has initiated your silence.

  125. The reason I don’t spend much time these days reading the traditional media is highlighted in the interview with Alex Newman of the New American in Michael Savage’s programme at 08:27. He deals among other matters with the close to one million white South Africans in squatters’ camps, the redistribution of land of white farmers’ land to incompetent black farmers, and the trend towards the extermination of the white people in South Africa – not topics generally raised by the conventional media. Why read them? Why watch them? Why listen to them? Why pay for them? Why buy the products advertised by them?

    Is the same fate being designed and prepared in England? Is our country deliberately being set up for civil war? Oh, go back to sleep.

  126. By the way, Michael Savage (banned from entering England – anyone know wht?) also takes a position against flu vaccines. My dad used to take the annually and lived to be 90. They seem pretty effective and I used to get lousy colds two or three times a year befofe I started having the vaccination regularly.

    Does anyone have an informed view on this and other vaccines. Savage takes mega doses of vitamins as an alternative.

  127. Malfleur.
    I have said for a long time that this country is, sooner or later, going to go up like a bottle of pop, and I rather think we are approaching D day as people are thoroughly fed up with what the Hampstead bien pensants are doing to the nation. Indeed it would not be going too far to state that the ruling elites of the entire Anglosphere are approaching their comeuppance, a fate richly deserved.

  128. Malfleur December 12th, 2013 – 09:17

    I am one of those who are less than sympathetic to those who catch a cold and then claim that they have had the ‘flue’.

    A real case of influenza is truly awful you are incapable of anything it has you off your feet and mainly bed-bound for a minimum of seven days more probably 10, 12 or 14days.

    Influenza is often confused with some of those dreadful strange virus that knock you off of your feet for 24 hours or a little more, often with sickness and loose bowels.

    I am in my mid-seventies and in my whole life have had the real thing at most three or four times.

    Ever since reaching the age of sixty my beloved and I have been given the flue-vaccine every year by our own GP usually in the month of September, ‘touch wood’ we have not had a case of full blown flue during that time, I for one can highly recommend everyone taking the yearly vaccine.

    My GP tells me that each year the vaccine differs from that of the year before in that it will include a selection of flue-strains that our health service thinks are the most likely threat.

    Some claim that the vaccine can give you the common cold it can’t; in fact I am of the opinion that ever since taking the vaccine we have suffered from far less colds than prior to.

  129. David Ossitt
    December 12th, 2013 – 10:05
    Read your comments with interest, David, and agree.

    Your GP is that rare bird,an honest person. The vaccine is a money spinner like the Statins gimmick. Easy money for little effort, and no true value.
    The worst real flue I ever had in over 70 years, was when I was daft enough to allow the quack to prescribe the flue shot. Bon Chance!

  130. BBC propaganda in favour of ‘digital radio’ they are at it again, we are now almost constantly bombarded with advertising trying to make all of us go digital.

    They broadcast this morning extolling the virtues of digital, and of course there was no balance, no one speaking for FM and against digital.

    It will cost millions if not billions for everyone to switch to what is and always will be an inferior system.

    I quick check around our house informs me that the three Roberts radios, one each in the conservatory, shed and loft will be obsolete my Bang and Olufsen link system linking the hi-fi and television from the sitting room to my study and to the kitchen will be of no use for relaying the radio element and my two year old Yeti will need a change of radio.

    There will be similar stories at every house in the country, this is absurd and should be stopped.

    I am not even sure that the radio section of the B&O television will be compatible nor the radio part of the brand new Samsung TV in the kitchen.

  131. Malfleur (09:17)

    Take a trip back in time, to Seattle, and read what Brian Myrik of the Examiner had to say about the ‘gating’ of Savage from the UK. He was probably right. Unfortunately, not enough of his fellow citizens read the last paragraph of his article.

    Wonder why Savage changed his name from Weiner? All your heroes seem to have difficulty with their surnames.

    Can anybody think of a way of having Jacquie Smith excluded from UK TV studios, btw?.

  132. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 December 12th, 2013 – 10:20

    “The worst real flue I ever had in over 70 years, was when I was daft enough to allow the quack to prescribe the flue shot. Bon Chance!”

    It is only human to blame the vaccine for your nasty bout of flue but I am almost 100% sure that the vaccine is not the living virus and therefore you coming down with the virus would have been a nasty coincidence.

    I have COPD and dread the flue, chest infections (I have one now) are bad enough to cope with.

  133. Frank P December 12th, 2013 – 10:53

    “Can anybody think of a way of having Jacquie Smith excluded from UK TV studios, btw?.”

    I wish I knew but it is not just her, John Prescott keeps popping up on the telly as does the ex-postman, there are two or three others and wonder of wonders they are all of the left.

  134. Been waiting for Melanie’s take on the South African jamboree; as always, she does not disappoint:

    Peter, if you have a moment it would be helpful if you would emend your blog roll to accommodate Melanie’s revised blog address as follows:

    I use your blog as my home page and clicking from it to her blog with your current linkage is a bit of a palava. Time is precious – even seconds of it at my stage of partial existence. 🙂

  135. A fascinating piece today by Peter Hitchens on facts, conformity and the search for truth based on Hitchens Law:-

    “…Hitchens’s Law, that all politically sensitive figures are fiddled, and Otto von Bismarck’s injunction ‘Never believe anything until it has been officially denied’, are far better servants than open-mouthed acceptance of whatever the establishment happens to think at the time. The truth is not always the same as the facts, and the facts are not always the same as the truth.”

  136. Peter – sorry, forgot to link Melanie’s new address:

  137. Noa
    December 12th, 2013 – 12:37

    Great article by Hitchens minor, though the irony of his own conversion does blunt the force of it, doesn’t it? No catholic as devout as a convert, as my old grannie used to tell me.

  138. And whilst we’re on thinking the wrong things, here’s a link to an excellent piece by Douglas Murray showing how when presented with the two ends of a stick, our politicians can always be relied on to sieze the wrong one.

  139. Frank P

    I’ll have to disagree with you on that Frank. Former outsiders often see more clearly what’s wrong with the status quo than those within it.

  140. David O

    You’re going to the wrong practitioner with that flue – the Chimney Sweep would sort it for you.

    As for the ‘flu jabs; like all vaccine and immunisation programmes, they are catering for the mass, not the individual – allegedly. Those who react adversely are sacrificial lambs pro bono publico. More likely pro bono GlaxoSmithKlein, et alia, I would have thought, but then, as you know scepticism is hard wired into my genes; so far there is no vaccine to negate that – thank goodness.

  141. Not sure that is a disagreement , Noa (13:22). I’m not denying his insight – au contraire – I’m a fan – but could he not include himself in the Damascene awakening that is implied of others, if the time-frame is reversed a few decades? He should be purring in self satisfaction, rather than growling. I remember young Hitch from my days on the street; stroppy young pup. Assimilation takes time. But perhaps I’m hearing that purrr as a grrrr – might be the hearing aids.

    He’s spot on about fiddled figures. It has become worse as the years have passed. But then so has almost everything, ennit?

    “We’re awww doomed, Mr Mainwaring!”

  142. A protracted craic between Dennis Miller and Mark Steyn with interjection from telephone callers:

    A cornucopia of one-liners … and beneath it all – deadly serious satire.

    Two of the best political commentators on the planet.

  143. Frank P 13.55
    An excellent musing, far more than my sparse reply merited, but then, I’m catching up on some of the links you’ve posted!

  144. Having sent a friend an email with links to the Hichens and Murray posts above I received the following reply and thought you might also appreciate his insights:-

    “Wouldn’t the BBC’s current affairs output be improved 100-fold simply by making programmes about subjects such as Liberal Newspeak? Indeed, tackling any received wisdom and how we are conditioned to accept it.
    Their current output is so narrow and stale. Imagine how they could inform a whole new wave of public debate if only they would take a fresh look at what they do. If they don’t want to make a programme about it, they could easily just stimulate an interesting studio debate. There is so much they could produce on so many ideas that are currently confined only to the internet. The bloggers are beating conventional journalism hands down – and doing it for pennies.
    I remember the old World in Action and Panorama when they would actually kick something about until they got to the truth of the matter – and how they educated us by doing so. Alas, they are so conformist now and merely regurgitate whatever authority has told them.
    The BBC has to go – you can never get good journalism when it is dependant on the state.”

  145. Austin Barry at his best at the other place, concerning the hypocritical clamour to ‘resist’ a hike in salary for MPs by the current ‘leaders’ of our land (as if it makes any difference to their opportunities to feather their own nests in myriad other ways):

    >Austin Barry • 19 hours ago
    It was amusing to watch PMQs as the sanctimonious frontbench millionaires, muttering pieties and faking concern, subscribed to a vow of poverty, while the resentful silence of the trough guzzling backbenchers was almost palpable.

    Why do they bother?

    It’s just gesture politics and as meaningless as the sublimely absurd sign language at the Mandela shambles. <

    Heh, heh, heh!

  146. Noa, December 12th, 2013 – 15:04

    “The BBC has to go – you can never get good journalism when it is dependant on the state.”

    Agreed, along with CH4 News.
    But are ITV News or Sky News any better? I don’t think so.

    In the USA there is even less “diversity” within the MSM. With the exception of Fox News the rest of it is wholly corrupted with the Liberal Newspeak mentioned above. Journalists? You won’t find any of them worthy of the name in the White House Press Corps. No awkward questions lest they get their accreditation withdrawn. They have been reduced to Obama’s Steno pool.

  147. Noa (15:04)

    Your friend is right of course. I doubt any here would demur from his suggestions; problem is, the devious attempts already under way: to censor and otherwise curtail the freedom of the intertubes, is picking up steam. The transition from deadtree to digital by the major media is hotting up; we can only keep plugging away while we can. Sadly our little milieu is almost generationally defunct and those following have been overwhelmingly trampled under by the Long March; the once subliminal agitprop hum in now an arrogant clamour. Flatulence agin thunder I’m afraid – but at least it relieves the gripes. Moreover, this old flatulator intends to blowhard as long as his blower (and fingers) will allow. “Think, link – and kick up a stink!” has been my motto since my balls dropped. It will remain so until they drop off.

    What an ovular coincidence! My wife just delivered my second and last cup of cawfee for the day – sinful I’m told – and informs me that Sky News has just announced that the protection PCs at Buckhouse (or perhaps up the road at Sandringham, she’s not sure) have been nicking HM’s nuts from the festive trays. She marked them apparently – and caught ’em at it.

    “That’ll make a change from the Corgis licking each others’ “, I retorted.

    Got ding on the ear for that!

    “I’ll call the domestic abuse squad!” I yelled,

    “I’d best put the Christmas goodies in the ‘fridge, then.” she retorted. 🙂

  148. Is the EU dead? It is if you accept Ambrose Evans-Pritchard’s highly entertaining articles in the DT today.
    But, as with any of the undead I will keep a stake in my hand and continue to vote for Dr Van Helsing, aka Nigel Garage, just in case old C*unt Dracula and his Commissars are just…’kipping

  149. Frank P 15:51

    Does Sandringham have a nick? Or is one required to share a kennel with the corgis?
    And if so, do the nut nobblers, duly caught and banged up, then become police Dog Handlers and so subject to all the perks (or is that Peks? aw!!!) that entails?
    You’re quite right of course, enough of this relentless, dangerous, pre-Christmas
    optimism. The Christmas turkey of optimism is always followed by the Boxing Day hash of indigestion!
    And as Gerry Adams claimed; like the PIRA Leveson, the EU and Big Brother in general will just be having their statutory holiday before resuming full nut grabbing duties in the New Year. Which according to many is 1435 AH and has already started on 4th November 2013, but let’s not stop a quaint old local custom on account of the changing times!
    the(and those of my bloody SF relatives who claim

  150. Frank P 12th, – 15:07

    ” the sublimely absurd sign language at the Mandela shambles.”

    I thought he was putting a bet on…

  151. Frank P 12th, – 13:07

    “No catholic as devout as a convert,”

    Or as used to be said of a few dried out alcoholic skippers of my acquaintance.


  152. Malfleur@December 12th, 2013 – 09:17

    overdosing on vitamins can cause vitamin poisoning. Anyway, your body wont absorb any more vitamins than it needs so you just end up with a vitamin rich toilet.
    And you need fat in your diet to absorb vitamins properly.
    probably best to have a proper balanced diet.

    and your gut is rubbish at absorbing vitamin d. best way to get vit d is to get the sun on your skin. Surprise, muslim women are at a high risk of rickets.

  153. Anne Wotana Kaye 1@December 12th, 2013 – 10:20

    is a chimney contagious?

    its ‘flu, short for influenza

  154. Ostrich 19:06

    “I thought he was putting a bet on ..”

    …on a hearse of a different colour , no doubt? 😉

  155. Alexsandr
    December 12th, 2013 – 20:52
    Sorry! I stand corrected.

  156. Frank P @ 10:53

    Well, I did what you advised and read the article on Michael Savage in the Seattle Examiner where I read:

    “If Savage’s failure to accept dogma and confess his sin of heresy is the real crime for which he is being punished, then the message Smith is sending may be intended for British citizens more than external ‘foes’. By her own account, Smith is defining the kinds of behavior that are considered unacceptable, and Savage is an example. If outsiders can be judged to have misbehaved, why not insiders? By erecting a straw man, the British government offers friendly lessons to all of its subjects on what not to do. Lesson: Don’t speak about any of the things Michael Savage speaks about.”

    The article adduces The Guardian for evidence of why Savage was banned by Jacqui Smith:

    “US talk show host Michael Savage – real name Michael Weiner – is also excluded because of his views on immigration, Islam, rape and autism, which have reportedly caused great offence in America.”

    By this standard, Frank would be banned from England, along with just about everyone else on the Wall.

    As for why he changed his name, I don’t know. With a little bit of knowledge of American slang however, one might guess. If Frank P had been born Frank Prick, I would be sympathetic were I to learn that he had changed it to Frank Ramsbotham.

    The real reason why Savage is not allowed to enter Englan though is because the government needs to pander to the islamists and had to find a Jew to balance all the Arab terrorists on its list – diveeeersity rules.

  157. Good Lord, QT is taking place in South Africa. Is it that Britain wants to colonise South Africa, or what I fear, Dimbleby and the BBC want us to be absorbed in the Rainbow Nation, and finally achieve their wet dream.

  158. FMOBB!
    QT is from Jo’burg …

    WTF don’t they just ship the whole freakin’ Corporation over there and bury it with ‘ Mandiba ‘!

  159. Sorry – ‘Madiba’.
    BTW – the sound engineers there are about as good as their sign language Herbert.

  160. Sorry Anne – we were typing simultaneously.

  161. Malfleur – glad you enjoyed it. 🙂

  162. Speaking of diveeeersity, the Solicitors Regulation Authority (SRA) sent around an antsy newsletter a few days ago complaining that only 20% of law firms had filed their Work Diveeersity Data” required to be in by the end of January. “Mehrunnisa Lalani, our Director of Inclusion, said: “We would like to see a higher response this year…”.

    And what, pray, is ‘diveeeersity’?

    Check out:

    It includes inter alia:

    “Ethnic group

    8. What is your ethnic group?

    Asian / Asian British
    Any other Asian background

    Black/Black British
    Any other Black background

    Mixed / multiple ethnic groups
    White and Asian
    White and Black African
    White and Black Caribbean
    White and Chinese
    Any other Mixed / multiple ethnic background

    British / English / Welsh / Northern Irish / Scottish
    Gypsy or Irish Traveller
    Any other White background

    Other ethnic group
    Any other ethnic group

    Prefer not to say
    Prefer not to say

    Please note: Firms may wish to collect details about an individual’s ‘other’ ethnic group for their own purposes (for example by providing a text box for individuals to complete) but the SRA’s reporting facility not allow [sic] firms to enter this information.”

    By the bye,under the heading “Gender”, Verity, and thousands of solicitors and other law workers, will find solace in reading:

    “Please note: The SRA is not asking firms to collect transgender information at this time, it is sensitive personal data and is not required by the Legal Services Board’s model questionnaire.”


  163. Frank P
    December 12th, 2013 – 22:59
    Great minds think alike! Could do with few SA “necklaces” to adorn the whole fookin’ BBC.

  164. AWK 1 above


    December 12th, 2013 – 20:51

    I remember when I was in New York in the early 1970s, Dr. Linus Pauling’s views – I should say studies or research – on the benefits of massive doses of Vitamin C were highly thought of. I notice that Weiner echoes that in 2013.

    Has he been discredited or just ignored by the general?

    I did quick google just now and, for what it’s worth, came up with:

    “Vitamin C, Linus Pauling was right all along. A doctor’s opinion”

  165. When can we look forward to Andrew LLoyd Weber’s new musical “The Black Messiah” along the lines of “The Producers” – Springtime for Mandela!

  166. Frank P 12th, – 22:03

    “…on a hearse of a different colour , no doubt? 😉 ”

    Damn! I missed that one. 🙂

  167. Malfleur, December 12th, 2013 – 23:17

    Ah, but the high doses of Vitamin C got him eventually!

  168. Frank P, December 12th, 2013 – 22:53

    “Sorry – ‘Madiba’… ”

    You mean that Nelson wasn’t his real name, after all?
    Didn’t that chap who used to run the English National Congress used to have different names? What is it with these guys? It’s all very confusing.

  169. Frank P, December 12th, 2013 – 10:53

    “Can anybody think of a way of having Jacquie Smith excluded from UK TV studios, btw?.”

    Garlic? Sunlight? Holy water?
    Sign outside reading, “Cashpoint closed.”

    While we are on the subject of the subject of easy money then take a look this “charity”. I don’t remember them ever having a “flag day.”
    [see also: membership of the trustees and advisory board]

    This is surreal. What’s the point of all this? Didn’t “stopping crime” used to be part of the Police’s remit? The UK is chock full of these fake charities, pointless quangos, and their hangers on. They are costing us all dearly.

    stephen maybery, December 12th, 2013 – 09:31

    “Indeed it would not be going too far to state that the ruling elites of the entire Anglosphere are approaching their comeuppance, a fate richly deserved.”

    Indeed so!

  170. From the transcendental vaults (March 2012 -> Feb 2009)

    Andy Carpark • a year ago
    Fraser Nelson: gargling on the jism of Satan since 2009.”

  171. A fascinating “Trifecta” today:

    Is the US Mainstream Media worm finally turning?

    To round it all off there’s some good humour at the end, too.

  172. stephen maybery @ 09:31

    Not that Baron would make himself absent from the cheering party, but tell him who is going to deliver the comeuppance, here in Britain? The 40% who say they’ll vote Labour? The ones on the receiving end of Welfare, those who run the Welfare, the Notting Hill mafia, the young….. ?

  173. Peter’s friend Alexander Boot has earned more than top marks for his latest postings, and a top plus for the endings: ‘Mandela is still dead, hasn’t risen yet …’. A true wit.

  174. Frank P @ 22:48

    If this circus annoys you just wait until the messiah snuffs it, and the fruitcakes are still running the show (God forbid). It will never end.

  175. Frank P 15:51

    Good to know who’s the boss, Frank, welcome to the club.

  176. EC at 09:03

    Baron will believe it when he sees it. They’ll puff and huff, the messiah will throw them a bone or two, and they’ll resume spewing the same trash as before. Hopefully, that will bury them, and some of the blogging sites will atke over. Ours?

  177. WHY? (I ask rhetorically) are we not instituting an air-lift to rescue our Pensioners from the hell-land of Zimbabwe? (Of cause you know why.)

    The Xmas issue of Spectator has the latest leaflet from ZANE [see below]:Zimbabwe A National Emergency.

    We ought to be bringing the white victims of Magarbe’s hell-state here;while seeking to help his `black` victims [as ZANE does].

    I note,Ian Smith [the Spitfire pilot] walked around `Harare` unprotected by body -guards till he died with-out fear of attack ;unlike Magarbe.

  178. EC
    December 13th, 2013 – 08:13

    Haha! I really said that and it didn’t get modded?

    Stand by it, though. See his interview with Cameron? Fair substitute for sticking your fingers down your throat.

  179. It’s great to see the socialists starting to get blow up by their own or their partners, petards.

  180. Brillo’s ‘This Week’ programme descended to its nadir last night and dragged the Beeb down with it (not difficult, I suppose, given the depth to which it has already sunk), by affording a 15 minute-or-so free commercial ad slot to Jacqui Gold, the East End pornography industry heiress.

    Under the guise of ‘promoting equality for women’ this hard-faced harridan was allowed to subliminally peddle her line in dildos and kinky bedroom gear (knocked out by her ever expanding Ann Summers chain), following in a long line of well known ‘promoters of equality for women’ and associates of her family, such as David Sullivan (RIP Mary Millington), Bernie Silver, Paul Raymond, the Holloway Brothers, Frank Mifsud, Jean Agius, Jimmy Humphries, Charlie Grech, Albert Dimes, Billy Hill and numerous other apparatchiks of the Soho syndicate.

    All these ‘campaigners for ‘womens’ rights’: that is, the rights of women to flash their gashes and otherwise demean themselves for the camera, for the delectation of the punters of said syndicate, are obviously the successors to Mrs Emmeline Pankhurst.

    Indeed the syndicate which, in conjunction with the late Reuben Sturman of Cleveland (once the world’s my successful pornographer) – and his side kick Scott Dorman, under the aegis of the Columbo Mob famiglia of New York, kicked off a global commercial sex industry that has gone from strength to strength, bringing ‘wimmins’ rights’ to a pinnacle of civilisation.

    One wonders whether Brillo, Portillo and the Postman were presented with Christmas toys for their ‘significant others’ when they partied at Annabelles later? Or perhaps their political acumen was such that they would demur from accepting such gifts. Good job Jacquie Smith wasn’t on the couch, given the proclivities of her hubby – or is it ex-hubby now? I remember her delving into the sleaze business for a TV documentary some time later, her interest no doubt aroused as a result of her spouse’s adventures.

    Good Christmas stockmarket tip: invest in Duracell.

    Well … those old Soho rascals succeeded in getting a large contingent of the senior hierarchy of Scotland Yard porridge, for corruption, back in the 70s. One hopes that the BBC execs will bear this in mind when promoting the causes of this latest manifestation of filth, lest the wrong inference is drawn.

    A little light reading and watching:

  181. Frank P @ 16:12

    The names mean little to Bon, Frank, except for Raymond who is now dead and buried, right?

    How come you know so much about it? You were amongst those who arrange for them to get the porridge bowls?

  182. Noa at 14:27 gives us a link to an article where Harriet Harman’s husband that odd looking Jack Dromey is accuse of being a racist for calling a man a ‘pikey’, in fact the article goes further where it mentions his “Disgraceful incitement to racial hatred”

    Well I never, would or could you believe that this time served socialist is, A racist and B goes about inciting racial hatred?

    Of course he isn’t nor does he go about inciting others to hate, other than those like me who from the very depth of my being loath, detest and yes hate all things socialist/Marxist/Trotskyite etcetera.

    Having said that, upon reflection; he is a racist in that he sees himself and those who think as he does as far superior to those of us who are diametrically opposed to his political beliefs.

    If that is true then I also am a racist in that I believe that conservatism is far superior a philosophy than all of the alternatives.

    Furthermore I do believe that certain races are in some specific ways superior to others, just look at the line up at the start of an Olympic men’s 100metres race, every lane will have a black man in it, whereas a 100metres free style men’s swimming will in all probability be 100% white.

    I suppose what I am saying is that prejudice (pre-judging) is a natural human condition, it is wired into our genes, if it is natural, if it is in our very nature then surely it is a good thing.

    What is bad, what is very very bad are these stupid rules regulations and laws that try to make us all part of this sickening politically correct homogenous watered down soup.

  183. A TV commercial by Aldi saying their Christmas pudding tasted better than Harrods’s, a claim certified apparently by the Which magazine, and a newspaper article suggesting a quarter of the pensioners are spending less on food than before pushed Baron to investigate

    It was nearly impossible to get to the Aldi store, the nearest to his abode. Inside, the place was packed, too, whether because it was before mid-day, a convenient time to do the shopping , or whether it’s like that every time of the day is hard to say. It was the barbarian’s first visit. Most of the shoppers were elderly, people in his age bracket, the ‘deeply retired’ (Baron’s jargon) almost always in pairs, man and a wife, polite, considerate to others, patient.

    Baron couldn’t find any Christmas pudding, the stuff he did find was noticeably cheaper than at Tesco’s, and more that noticeably below the prices charged by Waitrose. A bottle of Spanish Merlot (the only grape the barbarian drinks) was £3.43, and for anyone who likes Merlot a worth while buy (3 bottle purchased to test it, tomorrow it will be a case of it).

    It’s not without irony that the descendants of the people who were doing their utmost to subdue this country’s unwashed what with the bombing and things should be now feeding the same generation that their parents targeted. Feeding at a price these old men and women can afford.

  184. Baron
    December 13th, 2013 – 17:32

    Personally, I think Christmas pudding is the most revolting culinary dish imaginable. As far as I am concerned, the Liberty Bodice Brigade can send it to countries whinging for funds, and with luck the residents will be finished off!

  185. Baron December 13th, 2013 – 17:32

    “A TV commercial by Aldi saying their Christmas pudding tasted better than Harrods’s,”

    In tasting tests Aldi and Liddle have been coming out very well in particular ‘Aldi’.
    It is not just the wine, they are top in virgin olive oil, gin, and others that I can’t remember.

    My daughter in law served us a 2008 Rioja with Sunday lunch last week and it was exceptionally good value at £6.99p.

    My problem is that she who must be obeyed will not darken an Aldi doorstep, for us Waitrose, M&S or Salisbury’s will have to suffice.

  186. Frank P & David Ossitt; Bravo gentlemen, bravura posts both!

    Baron – “…3 bottle purchased to test it, tomorrow it will be a case of it..”

    Wow! And deep respect! You certainly test exhaustively. A glass is often sufficient for mere weaklings like myself.

  187. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 December 13th, 2013 – 17:41

    “Personally, I think Christmas pudding is the most revolting culinary dish imaginable.”

    Anne I do wish that I could convert you, a small amount served with a proper homemade brandy butter in 50/50 proportions is superb.

    At the risk of boasting, I append my own recipe for Brandy-Butter I have made it every Christmas for over 50 years, usually I make a double amount.

    David Ossitt’s Whipped Brandy Butter.

    Butter, 2oz.
    Icing Sugar, 4oz.
    Ground Almonds 2oz.
    Brandy, 2 dessert spoons.
    Double Cream, ¼ pint.
    One large free range egg.


    With an electric hand whisk cream the soft butter with the icing sugar.
    Then add the egg and almonds and beat until light and fluffy.
    In a separate bowl whip the cream until it holds soft peaks, then beat in the brandy. Fold this cream mix into the other mixture.
    Transfer this to a clean glass bowl just large enough to take all the mixture use a soft spatula, take care not to knock the air out of it; a table fork gives a nice textured finish to the top. Cover with cling film and refrigerate for at least an hour before use, but preferably overnight.

    Lighter and fluffier than traditional recipes, superb with Christmas pudding, but it is equally delicious spread thickly onto homemade mince pies.

  188. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 @ 17:41

    Hard to contradict you, Anne, but then the barbarian hails from a different neck of the woods, the folks there don’t indulge in this calorie galore delicacy.

  189. What rubbish Bowen babbles on th BBC News. He is complaining that the EU is letting down the Syrian refugees, and states that Amnesty International is upset that the EU are not providing homes for the Syrians. Isn’t Saudi Arabia a moslem country? Why should the EU undertake responsibility for people when SA and the other oil-rich States do f*ck all?

  190. David Ossitt @ 17:47

    One shouldn’t be fussy, class conscious, or afraid of experimenting when it comes to saving money on something we spend most of our income, whether earned or unearned – food.

    Stuff like detergents are about half the price at Aldi, the washing isn’t going to complain because the soap comes from Aldi rather than Waitrose.

  191. David Ossitt
    December 13th, 2013 – 17:55
    Still not tempted. I am a weirdie who as a child swopped my pudding for cabbage and mash. I just LOVE mashed potatoes and sweet spring greens.

  192. Noa @ 17:49

    Sadly, Noa, a small glass was enough for Baron. He bought the three bottles for he cannot miss an opportunity to buy wine at a price not that different of that of bottled water. He used to indulge, (once insanely by buying a bottle of Chateau Petrus), and then the day of reckoning arrived. Now, it’s his son and his family who benefit, a half a dozen bottles will be a nice present for them.

    Btw, you seem to be doing nicely on other blogs. Well done, young sir.

  193. EC (08:05)

    Crime Stoppers?? Taake a look at their list of Trustees – never mind he other tack-ons.

    Why do we need a police force at all, with that bevy aboard this ‘Charity’? Yet another freemasonry of freeloaders – with their begging bowls out, to boot. I see Sir Paul Stephenson included? Didn’t do much to stop crime during his brief and inglorious stint running the Met, did he? Do they hold their quarterly meetings at Champneys, I wonder?

    And Lord Alli – he knew how to stop a few crimes – reduce the age of homosexual consent from 18 to 16 – that’s the way to do it – that must have adjusted the Sexual Offences stats considerably.

    Nick Ross – he picked up a few tips on Crimewatch, no doubt, using his shoulder-rubbing experience. Didn’t stop his poor co-presenter getting tragically murdered on her own doorstep, did it? Or nail the perpetrator? One would have thought that he was now fully occupied tending his property portfolio to join this band of clapped out pensioners with a variety of sinecures already under their belts.

    I’d bet there’s an interesting story to each one of ’em, if truth be known.

    We can’t ‘stop crime’! As long as human beings occupy our volatile planet, crime will flourish, given the propensities of human nature. The best we can do is attempt to prevent some of it, and catch some villains after the act, making sure they are curtailed from their urges by banging ’em up for appropriate periods, pour encourager les autres. An efficient police service is the way to do that and that means re-establishing the sharp end of policing and shedding the political parasites poncing off the Service. Tack on has-beens and half-arsed Hobby-Bobby manqués, only exacerbate the problems. Too many cooks!

    I would have thought that Ronnie Flanaghan would have been happy to tend his garden and quietly draw his pension, given the shit he had to contend with in failing to stop crime in that God-forsaken province. Glutton for punishment, obviously.

    Perhaps Peter Imbert would do us a favour and allow a fly-on-the-wall documentary about Crime Stoppers, as he did with Thames Valley when he became Chief Constable – and instead of sorting it out, exposed his Force to the world in all its inefficiencies. That was the start of the rot, in modern policing – political expediency and personal headline grabbing, rather than getting a grip and implementing good police governance.

    Do you get the whiff of Common Purpose here? Seems all too likely to me. How do they round all this feckers up to get them under the same banner?

    If you tallied up the whole of current gangland and the prison population of the UK, I doubt that the sum total of their crimes, financially speaking, would amount to more than a very small percentage of what the Great and the Good regularly, in comparison, screw out of the taxpayer and blow with impunity on their harebrained and self-serving scams. Government is the most serious arm of Organised Crime. Was in my day and always will be. And heaven help any copper that tries to uncover that conspiracy, Sir Robert Peel’s and Sir Richard Mayne’s Primary Objects notwithstanding.

  194. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 December 13th, 2013 – 18:12

    “Why should the EU undertake responsibility for people when SA and the other oil-rich States do f*ck all?”

    As we ate tonight’s dinner we as usual listened to the 6oclock news when the subject (Syrian refugees) came up I echoed your words exactly.

  195. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 @ 18:12

    I saw Bowen too. Ugh!

    It’s all very tribal down on the Arabian Peninsula. You can’t expect them to let any old riff-raff in. Furthermore, they might be the wrong type of moslem!

  196. Baron December 13th, 2013 – 18:16

    “One shouldn’t be fussy, class conscious, or afraid of experimenting when it comes to saving money on something we spend most of our income, whether earned or unearned – food.”

    Of course you are quite right and throughout our marriage we have had our share of hard times (financially) where every penny had to be counted but gradually things got easier and now I can afford to let my beloved have her way and if it makes her happy, why not.

  197. Baron (17:14)

    Yes to both questions; but that era of infamy is now well on the public record and many books have been written about it – some of which contain some elements of the truth – few – but some. In fact, the The People and News of the World flourished on those names and many more for almost a decade, what with the exposure and trials. Most of the official villains are now dead and for a number of reasons they should rot in hell. The full-time professionals in the sleaze business? Many are still around, having been given many opportunities to launder their ill-gotten gains and expand their egregious empires with helpful changes in the law. Those that have popped their clogs have no doubt established a flourishing foothold in Hades and I’m sure Old Nick takes his cut of the action.

    We’ve gone a long way down the tubes since the Lady Chatterley’s Lover case.

  198. Crime Stoppers receives about 25% of its £4 million income direct from Government and about 50% from payments from police forces for handing anonymous information. So it’s not really a charity in any sense.

  199. AWK1 13th, – 17:41

    “Personally, I think Christmas pudding is the most revolting culinary dish imaginable. As far as I am concerned, the Liberty Bodice Brigade can send it to countries whinging for funds, and with luck the residents will be finished off!”

    Here might be an appropriate usage:

  200. Thoughts on Mrs Dromedary’s treatment of her Jack came to mind on reading this Friday evening chuckle.

    Watering The Flowers.

    A little old lady was walking down the street dragging two large plastic rubbish bags behind her. One of the bags was ripped and every once in a while a £20 note fell out onto the pavement.

    Noticing this, a policeman stopped her, and said, “Ma’am, there are £20 notes falling out of that bag.”

    “Oh, really? Darn it!” said the little old lady. “I’d better go back and see if I can find them. Thanks for telling me officer.

    “Well, now, not so fast,” said the cop. “ Where did you get all that money? You didn’t steal it, did you?”

    “Oh, no, no”, said the old lady. “You see, my back garden is right next to a Golf course. A lot of Golfers come and pee through a knot hole in my fence,right into my flower garden. It used to really piss me off. Kills the flowers, you know. Then I thought, ‘why not make the best of it?’

    So, now, I stand behind the fence by the knot hole, real quiet, with my hedge clippers. Every time some guy sticks his thing through my fence, I surprise him, grab hold of it and say, ‘O.K., buddy! Give me £20, or off it comes.’ ”

    “Well, that seems only fair,” said the cop, laughing. “OK. Good luck!

    Oh, by the way, what’s in the other bag?”

    “Not everybody pays.”

  201. Ostrich (occasionally) @19:32

    Good spot!

  202. Is it true that there’s going to be a a slight change in Trafalgar Square – Horatio at the top of the column being replaced by a more recently deceased gentleman?

    Naturally, the edifice will still be called Nelson’s column.

  203. Reading this has made me ask – which of the two is the more sincerely & authentically Conservative – and has his own county’s interests the more at heart? Is it Cameron or Putin?

  204. Noa @ 19:48

    Noa, that’s the one amongst many Baron should remember, it produced more than a chuckle.

  205. If you’ve made it up, Herbert, it’s a good one. If it’s true, one can truly despair of what has happened to Britain.

  206. Interesting that the DM is now running a piece about the involvement of senior Labour politicians in support of the Paedophile Information Exchange. Not news to most of us of course, but where will it go…

  207. The very fact that the MSM has finally allowed itself to run this story makes me suspicious about the timing. Who gave them the green light? With the MSM utterly traumatised by Mandela, the aftermath of this story might be curtailed by Christmas and New Year. The public has a short attention span. I hope that in the New Year a courageous journalist will follow this story up.

  208. Peter from Maidstone
    December 14th, 2013 – 08:18
    Harriet Harman, Patricia Hewitt and indeed the whole marxist gang are nothing but filth. Unfortunately, the average voter is too ignorant, or perhaps too concerned about their ‘benefits’ to concern themselves.

  209. Interestingly it seems that only 10 people have made comments and its now 10.07
    If you beleive that, you’ll beleive anything .

  210. That this story has been ‘covered up’ for so long is a scandal in itself. The exposure and subsequent public unravelling of cover ups can often prove equally as damaging as the the exposure of the actions/events that were covered up!

    The ‘cover up’ angle may be the best way to keep this story running.

  211. 10.30am and the story has gone from mail online .
    Haven’t checked the main site.

  212. In the controversy of gender seperation at university islamic meetings, as with the leftist complaints against the ‘Pikey’ twitting Jack Dromey accusing him of racist hate crime under the laws his own wife promulgated, we are starting to see the deep ideological fissures open between islamic fundamentalists and their useful idiots of the Left.

    As this occurs ever more frequently let us enjoy the spectacle of our would-be oppressors destroying each other.

  213. Peter from Maidstone December 14th, 2013 – 08:18

    “Interesting that the DM is now running a piece about the involvement of senior Labour politicians in support of the Paedophile Information Exchange.”

    I hope that it catches up with Harriet Harman and Patricia Hewitt who I remember reading were actively involved.

  214. Noa December 14th, 2013 – 10:50

    “As this occurs ever more frequently let us enjoy the spectacle of our would-be oppressors destroying each other.”

    Amen to that.

  215. I’ve commented. But they are being moderated.

  216. David Ossitt 14th, – 10:57

    “I hope that it catches up with Harriet Harman and Patricia Hewitt who I remember reading were actively involved.”

    So why aren’t the Conservatives making more hay out of this? Unless they’re worried about what else it might throw up.
    (surely they’re not keeping their powder dry until 2015?)

  217. Ostrich (occasionally)
    December 14th, 2013 – 11:09
    In answer to your pertinent question: they are all tarred with the same brush!

  218. PIE article still on main DM site but still no new comments. Does the Spectatesman have anything to say?

    Was there not a letter published some years ago by a homosexualist lobbyist who described many of his childhood friends having sex with men? Was that ever investigated? Were those men charged?

  219. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 December 14th, 2013 – 11:19

    “In answer to your pertinent question: they are all tarred with the same brush!”

    Well maybe not all but there will be some who will be terrified of any investigation.

  220. Malfleur@December 12th, 2013 – 23:17

    One can take vit c supplements. Or one could eat an orange, which is far better and natural.

  221. Just a reminder of Peter Tatchell’s letter to the Guardian in 1997 where he describes having friends who had sex with adults as children. Has he been asked to name them so these paedophiles can be arrested?

    For on June 26, 1997, Mr Tatchell wrote a start­ling letter to the Guardian newspaper.

    In it, he defended an academic book about ‘Boy-Love’ against what he saw as calls for it to be censored. When I contacted him on Friday, he emphasised that he is ‘against sex between adults and children’ and that his main purpose in writing the letter had been to defend free speech.

    He told me: ‘I was opposing calls for censorship generated by this book. I was not in any way condoning paedophilia.’

    Personally, I think he went a bit further than that. He wrote that the book’s arguments were not shocking, but ‘courageous’.

    He said the book documented ‘examples of societies where consenting inter-generational sex is considered normal’.

    He gave an example of a New Guinea tribe where ‘all young boys have sex with older warriors as part of their initiation into manhood’ and allegedly grow up to be ‘happy, well-adjusted husbands and fathers’.

    And he concluded: ‘The positive nature of some child-adult sexual relationships is not confined to non-Western cultures. Several of my friends – gay and straight, male and female – had sex with adults from the ages of nine to 13. None feel they were abused. All say it was their conscious choice and gave them great joy.

    ‘While it may be impossible to condone paedophilia, it is time society acknowledged the truth that not all sex involving children is unwanted, abusive and harmful.’

  222. Peter from Maidstone
    December 14th, 2013 – 12:52
    He gave an example of a New Guinea tribe where ‘all young boys have sex with older warriors as part of their initiation into manhood’ and allegedly grow up to be ‘happy, well-adjusted husbands and fathers’.
    What a load of codswallop! Britain is so keen to emulate primitive peoples, that I can see the ‘diverse, multiculture brigade emulating these horrors. What next – Cannibalism?

  223. David Ossitt
    December 14th, 2013 – 12:15
    Anne Wotana Kaye 1 December 14th, 2013 – 11:19
    “In answer to your pertinent question: they are all tarred with the same brush!”
    Well maybe not all but there will be some who will be terrified of any investigation.

  224. Anne, my point is that this was printed in the Guardian in 1997 and as far as I can see there has been no national outcry in the MSM, no demands to know which children aged 9 – 13 had sex with adults and which adults. Why not?

  225. Died on this date in 1799 the 1st President of the United States George Washington.

    “However political parties may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.” George Washington

  226. Baron will be back, for the time being enjoy this. The young man is good, come on admit it.

  227. Peter from Maidstone
    December 14th, 2013 – 13:09
    Peter, sounds like a horrible cover-up. Reminds me of how the Jimmy Saville affair went on and on.

  228. Anne, what if Jimmy Savile were one of those adults? Why has it not been investigated by the press at all?

  229. Peter from Maidstone
    December 14th, 2013 – 13:40
    Horrid questions, Peter. One hopes the press is not completely corrupt, hiding news which should be revealed. Jimmy Savile was only one man, what about the doctors, top management and officials who gave him the keys to Broadmoor, permission to enter hospitals, operating rooms, ,mortuaries and all manner of premises? Easy to blame the vile Savile for everything, but he was just one of many. The press magnates have lots to answer for, and probably never will.

  230. PfM 12:52

    Did you (plus others) not put in complaints to the Met about this admission?
    Did anyone get any replies?

  231. I’ve been tweeting the DM journalist asking if he will investigate the Tatchell letter but he seems to think there is nothing amiss.

  232. PfM
    I’ve a memory (false?) that this (Tatchell’s knowledge of chils sodomites) was debated on CHW a few months ago and that one or two of us were sufficiently incensed to have taken this up ourselves with Frank P’s former employers.

  233. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 December 14th, 2013 – 13:09


    Anne you have lost me, I do not understand.

  234. Peter from Maidstone @ 12:52

    How can he get away with it, Peter? This truly sickens, and who can tell whether some get away doing what he advocates. Instead of interviewing people who wear he cross, the police should jump on them.

  235. David Ossitt
    December 14th, 2013 – 16:15
    Anne Wotana Kaye 1 December 14th, 2013 – 13:09
    Anne you have lost me, I do not understand.
    Rather clumsily I implied that the dead would be amongst those not afraid to reply. Sorry, David, but this so sickens me that I have lost the power of writing concisely.

  236. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 @ 14:52

    The key point of the Savile’s affair is everyone was scared of the man, he had connections, could mess people’s careers, lives.

    It’s the same with the BBC today, everyone’s running scared of the monstrosity. Imagine if you were an MP, in a position to alter the BBC status, partly privatise it or whatever. It is unlikely that you life’s completely blameless for who is without sins. If you started the ball rolling, the BBC got hold of it, it would destroy you, every MSM page would carry an exclusive about your past. Exactly what they are doing to the UKIP girl who defected from the Tories.

  237. Noa @ 15:00

    It would be pointless, Noa, it wa spointless with Savile when even parents of the victims complained. All complaints got killed off. The system’s stuck against the common man (or woman). The only way out is through the ballot box. Baron has been promoting the way of law, never got much of support for it.

  238. Baron
    December 14th, 2013 – 16:34
    Yes, you are right. It is just a pity that in these days where everything goes, and people are ‘coming out’ like daffodils in spring, that so many have hang-ups and are afraid of their parts being revealed.

  239. Freudian slip ‘afraid of their parts being revealed’. Pasts NOT parts!!!!!

  240. Frank and everyone else, there is a lively exchange on the Spectator’s site following an Andrew Marr’s piece. Colonel Mustard is doing the running, Noa’s backing him. Please have a look, put in a word or two, (but with care, you don’t want to be censored).

  241. The Harmen story is back on the mail mobile UK HOME. 19 15.
    Still only 10 comments !!!!!

  242. `John birch
    December 14th, 2013 – 19:15
    Guess what – the DM have blocked me from commenting!

  243. John birch @ 19:15

    John, what’s ‘the Harman’ story? Baron was out, missed it. And do explain to the technically challenged what is ‘mail mobile UK HOME’? Is it a radio station? Baron listens exclusively to Classic FM, has never come across it.

  244. The PIE story has re-surfaced in the mainstream media now because of the Elm Guest House investigation.

    It is a Tory version of ‘you shut your mouth about our paedos, or we’ll go after yours’ story.

    The blogosphere has never lost interest in that story, which is why various Tory and Labour figures want to close the blogosphere down – mainly through more libel laws and Leveson-style limits on free speech.

    It is difficult because there are honorable MPs in the Labour and Tory ranks.

    When I say honorable, I mean there are non-paedophile MPs horrified at what they know has gone on.

    But what can they do when faced with a paedophile network?

    It operates very much like the Freemasons in that it stretches across senior, police, senior judiciary and MPs. These people are powerful.

    And when things threaten to surface, there is always the ‘well, if you want to try and use the pressure of publicity, we’ll go after your dirty laundry too’ card.

    That’s the clue to this story.

    It’s not that these revelations are new.

    It is that this sotry is being brandished about as a Mutually Assured Destruction frightener: ‘If anyone wants to go nuclear and put all this in the public domain, your lot will get it too.’

    It is utterly frightening because it shows how far tenatacles can reach with blackmail over bedroom habits.

    The other thing that is old hat that no-one ever talks about is Savile’s relationship with the royals and Charles in particular.

    Savile used to boast about having known the royal family for a million years and Charles even went to spend some time with Savile in his remote Scottish hideaway.

    As you do.

  245. Baron , go back to early today on this site. Around 8.15am
    The daily mail has published a story linking H Harmen to PIE in the 1970s
    And others including Peter thatchell.

  246. From the Daily Mail:

    After all, it emerged earlier this year that Geoffrey Dickens, a Tory MP who campaigned against paedophilia, had approached the then-Home Secretary Leon Brittan in 1983 with allegations concerning widespread abuse of children, some of it by prominent individuals, in children’s care homes.

    Nothing appears ever to have come of Dickens’s claims.

    Leon Brittan was indeed Home Secretary in 1983.

  247. Muslim protestors demand restaurants and shops stop selling ‘evil’ alcohol warning them they face 40 lashes if they carry on
    * Dozens of men and women gathered on Brick Lane, East London
    * Delayed as English Defence League members staged counter-protest
    * Among protestors was Anjem Choudhary, former leader of Al-Muhajiroun
    * Organisers said protest was held yesterday to coincide with large numbers of office workers expected to be celebrating Christmas in the area

    “Dozens of Muslim protestors gathered to demand that businesses stop selling alcohol in a popular East London area yesterday.
    The group, led by former Al-Muhajiroun leader Anjem Choudary, warned restaurants and shops in the Brick Lane area that they face 40 lashes if they continue to sell the product, which is banned under Sharia Law.”

    Surely, we must be getting to the point where even CMD must realise that inaction or even jaw, jaw, jaw will only lead to war, war, war! If there is no firm response from ‘our’ British Authorities, these law breakers will interpret it as a battle won and there will then be demands that non-Mu$lims must not sell alcohol, and then we will move on to another demand, and the area will be increased in size, ad infinitum! Well, perhaps just globally!

    And they are not persuading, they are enforcing, with the threat of violence! Surely that is a crime in itself?

    The Authorities must enforce the Law of the Land. It is why we pay taxes.

    In fact, it’s a good time to draw some red lines! 🙂 🙂

  248. A good time to draw some red lines was a few years ago.

  249. Joany@December 14th, 2013 – 20:04

    Oh I hope this story runs and runs. Harman is such a hypocrite, spouting forth about the sex industry while in government, and all along she is a closet kiddie fiddler.
    I hope the smug cow ends up in jail. Not holding my breath 🙂

  250. Robert C, the problem surely is that law has been utterly corrupted by yuman rights and by giving Islam moral equivalence to the host culture?

    That never can and never will produce harmony.

    Moreover, it is a Catch 22 situation, because Islam demands nothing less.

    It will seize whatever political and ideological weapons come to hand – hardly difficult in a place like the UK – and then try to achieve dominance.

    It uses the doctrine of equality in UK law to get sharia (a dominant law) in via the backdoor.

    That train has gone.

    The law itself has been corrupted and needs changing back to what it was: controlled by a sovereign state, not by Europe, with a law that allows for immediate repatriation of all Muslims to Muslims lands.

    Previous laws would not have let this happen. Under previous laws it would have been treaon charges and out the door or a death sentence.

    I notice the number of white converts in those photos.

    These people are converting because of their attraction to power.

    People do not like to be on the losing side of history and they see all the privileges and power handed to Muslims and look at them converting like lemmings.

    Islam is not interested in staying inside the mosque. It never has been.

    It demands submission – the meaning of the word Islam.

    And that is only possible through the tools of politics and law.

    Something their religion specialises in and which pretends it wants equality when what it actually demands is power, deference and privilege.

  251. One thing about PIEs argument that no one has ever seemed to want to discuss is their comparison to gays.
    Gays are born that way and so must be as god intended.
    So we must embrace them and join in with the promotion of their lifestyle .
    We must change laws so they are treated fairly and equally .
    They have gay pride marches where we all join in the fun. (Or as basil said, pretend we do )
    And then we have paedophilia .
    They are born that way and so must be as god intended.
    From that point on things are not the same.
    No understanding .
    No marches to promote their lifestyle .
    No laws changed to suit them.
    So did god fuck things up on the specification sheet.
    Bit of a raw deal if through no fault of your own you were born a disgusting pervert instead of a style icon.

  252. Baron
    Noa’s clog dancers will come to the aid of Baron’s hordes, should they be needed.

    Interestingly Comrade Telemachus claims he posts weekly on the Wall. Prizes for guessing who, if true?

    Jumpin’ Jehosephat Burns, anyone?

  253. Alexsandr @ 12:18

    I am not sure that the orange a day theory fully undermines the late Dr. Linus Pauling’s work on vitamin C.

    By the way, how many oranges, and from where, are “natural” today?

  254. It’s 8 .49 pm and the mail still has only 10 comments on the Harmen story,
    One would almost think they were blocking comment.

  255. Noa @ 20:51

    Thanks, but it seems the battle’s over, the Colonel has smashed the deluded socialist quite well.

    Baron also wonders who is ‘telemachus’ here? It cannot be Burns, could it? Peter, any idea?

  256. John birch @ 19:55

    Thank you, it was helpful.

  257. Baron

    The Coconutters stand ready when needed….

  258. I don’t think too much about telemachus and it is easy to cover your tracks with a proxy, but I’ve always assumed it is Fergus Pickering.

  259. The moon has become a much more attractive destination since the Chinese landed their probe there.
    Instead of tablets that are a full meal (tomorrow’s world creeping in here) it will be off to the Chinese restaurant for a slap up meal.
    It’s probably up and running, the probes been there a few hours now.

  260. Robert C @ 20.17

    As a notorious “promoter” of the English Defence League and of one of my “heroes” (as the conservative PC usage on this site would have it),I was interested by your report that the EDL staged a counter-protest to the attack on Old Speckled Hen and fine Bordeaux wines (not recommended as an accompaniment to curry) in Brick Lane.

    I might say that I might be prepared to undergo five, say, lashes in return for a bottle of Chateau Latour provided they were administered by a suitably clad woman of the islamic faith.

    Setting aside my aside, I went to the EDL for confirmation and comment. Certain Wallsters will understand that of course I rarely leave that site except to post here or to watch Alex Jones rant about nothing in particular before “promoting” him here.

    Unlike google searches on any other subject, including for suitably clad women administering lashes, a window popped up briefly before the result of the search appeared advising me that it was going to check my browser, better to refine my search. I suppose this was a gift from the kind of people that Edward Snowden is trying to warn us about.

    Anyhow, let’s go back to sleep on that one (yawn)…sure enough, there was one of the site’s articles drawing attention in advance to the islamists offensive demonstration, and noting in part:

    “Respecting their freedom of speech, the EDL will not be trying to stop the march. However, we do object to the double standards and apparent inequality before the law applied to different protest groups. There will be, it seems, no union presence to protest against the demonstration, United Against Fascism will not be attempting to disrupt the march, Hope not Hate will not be attending to complain, there will be no moderate Muslim groups present to explain that this is not representative of real Islam (although Quilliam did go so far as to call the protest “stupid”) and the police will not be applying to the Home Office to have the demonstration or the organisation banned. However, Tower Hamlets council is ‘working with police on a response to the march’. According to a council spokesman, “We are in conversation with the police to preserve community cohesion. We support community cohesion and would not want the actions of a small group to impact on this.” ”

    The larger questions remain unanswered: why do muslims continue to be encouraged and assisted to immigrate to England, to what benefit (or ill) for the country, and who is behind it? Names please – and then some pack drill – or even lashes.

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  262. Malfleur
    December 14th, 2013 – 21:44

    This is what I cannot quite understand .
    It took a while for the truth about the common market to come out, although we guessed it early on.
    The left get the blame for the immigration situation.
    But I can’t help feeling there’s something deeper behind all this.
    And I’m not talking world government .
    Mad banking institutions.
    Maybe they are.
    Who knows.
    But why is the west importing the seeds of its own destruction.
    We can see it. It’s not difficult .
    Everyone with an ounce of common sense can see Islam is not compatible with Christianity .
    They won’t help our nations.
    They will destroy our nations.
    And nothing is done about it.
    I always told my daughter that if things don’t make sense it’s because you haven’t got all the information.’
    And that’s how I feel.
    I have enough information to know there are things I don’t know, and things they I don’t know, that I don’t know.

  263. Does Shariah law have any guidance for us in this situation? Eat an orange?

    “Widower, 86, chokes on his steak just HOURS before having sex for the first time in over a decade after winning ‘Get My Grandfather Laid’ contest on Howard Stern” (DM)

  264. RobertC @ 20:17

    The followers of Allah have every right to demonstrate against alcohol, no problem here, what was objectionable was their threat of 40 lashes for those who disobey their take on beverages. Some shopkeepers in the mainly Muslim areas may get frightened, stop selling alcohol. The police should have arrested those carrying such threatening placards, i’s a clear incitement to violence. Have they?

  265. AWK1 14th, – 19:24

    “Guess what – the DM have blocked me from commenting!”

    Take it as a compliment. 🙂

  266. Baron @ 23:33

    “The followers of Allah have every right to demonstrate against alcohol, no problem here…”.

    Quite so…
    and one looks forward to this being extended to a right to demonstrate against the pernicious and criminal ideology of islam…and to the Happy Few who have the courage to do so before that right has been secured…Nazis to a man, eh Baron?

    (Typed while listening to

  267. Baron (ibid)

    “Have they?”

    Have pigs flown?

  268. Malfleur @ 23:45

    Good choice, Malfleur, the music, the guy playing was phenomenal to his end. How did he do it?

  269. Ostrich (occasionally)
    December 14th, 2013 – 23:34
    Yep! Don’t get many pf those these days.

  270. Malfleur – 23.45

    Just reading all this with The Emperor playing. Another great link, thank you.

  271. IRISHBOY 15th, – 02:09

    My dad’s copy of Artur Rubinstein’s Emperor (can’t remember the conductor, Klemperer maybe?) was a stack of 78s on an autochanger. Mind, they did manage to place the breaks at (relatively) natural points in the music. He did upgrade to an LP, some time in the late fifties…..

  272. Something else that everybody here knew, but The Mail is now admitting to …..

    Will they go for three in a row tomorrow with a Neathergate exposé, I wonder?

  273. Bill Gates blogs on climate of doom.

    “We see this dynamic clearly when the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change does its best to be clear and impartial in conveying what is known on the key issues, but both liberals and conservatives make it hard for the public to understand the panel’s nuanced conclusions.”

    He might be the richest bloke in the world but if he thinks that the IPCC’s junk science reviews are “impartial” an “nuanced” then he is more than a few check digits short of an operating system!

  274. EC @ 10:09

    Thanks for pointing the piece up, Baron’s belly’s still aching. This is the bit responsible for the wobble.

    ‘….. the White House’s usual money-no-object security operation went to the trouble of flying in Air Force One, plus the “decoy” Air Force One, plus support aircraft, plus the 120-vehicle motorcade or whatever it’s up to by now, plus a bazillion Secret Service agents with reflector shades and telephone wire dangling from their ears, to shepherd POTUS into the secured venue and then stand him onstage next to an $85-a-day violent schizophrenic’.


  275. Well, “‘er indoors” has just put a tray of cupcakes in the oven and brought me the bowl to lick…er, sorry, clean out.

    She does have a spatula that could scrape up every last molecule of the stuff but somehow she never gets round to using it. 🙂

  276. Ostrich (o) – 10.41

    Ah! 78s! I must look for an old phonograph and buy some old recordings in this ancient format. A violinist friend of mine has one and played me Albert Sammons’ performance of the Elgar Violin Concerto and it was as though he was playing in the same room – a sensation I never get with modern digital recordings.
    And I wonder whether modern recording techniques, and the influence of present-day recording producers, many carrying that Oxbridge air of superiority and who treat artists with a kind of patronising indulgence (believe me I’ve wanted to punch a few in my time) has contributed to the very sudden deterioration in the quality of performers today. There’s no pianist today to compare to Rubinstein, Fischer, Cortot, Lipatti, or a singer alive with the smallest fraction of sheer visceral excitement of del Monaco, or Kipnis et al.
    Ever think you were born at the wrong time?

    December 15th, 2013 – 14:23
    How I agree with you. Somehow the modern recordings, and many of the performers seem technically excellent, yet strangely soulless. The last applies especially for those from Japan and to a lesser degree China. As a lover of classical music, since childhood, I was a great fan of the pianist Benno Moiseiwitsch . He played with the ‘laid back’ charm of Rubinstein and was a truly romantic figure. Violinists – I was privileged to see Isaac Stern -playing like an angel with all the charm of a human man. In memory I can still see and hear those wonderful musicians.

  278. Comments are closed for this piece by James Delingpole on the DT blog, but the writing is charmingly ironic, worth your read.

  279. AWK1 15.46

    Moiseiwitsch I know only by name, but I’ll get onto You Tube this evening and seek him out. I’ve been lucky enough to work for David Stern, the conducting son of Isaac, and charm and humanity run in the family, as well as that magical ego-less musical command. As a boy in New York his father would take him to Horowitz’s appartment to turn pages for that wizard – can you imagine! And I asked about his father’s wonderful recording of the Sibelius Concerto with Beecham which he said was recorded in one take, no corrections necessary. Likewise with the Brahms.
    But it’s not just in the field of Classical Music that mediocrity has throttled real talent, which popular performer can match the super-charged mercurial Danny Kaye? Although in those days, the big stars of The Metropolitan Opera were also popular stars, and if you were a Brooklyn Jew, you might very well attend your synagogue and hear Richard Tucker or his brother-in-law Jan Peerce stripping the paint of the walls. The thought is enough to convert even an Ulster Prod!

    December 15th, 2013 – 16:55
    I look forward to hearing your comments after you listen to You Tube. By the way, Moiseiwitsch was a serious poker player and quite addicted to the game! A friend of mine had a mother who held a weekly ‘salon’ and the great pianist would often sit in after the recital for some serious sport!

  281. RobertC @ 16:47

    Thanks Robert: Matt’s excellent, but this is not only excellent, but also courageous, and you know why, don’t you.

    Baron’s waiting to see if the Private Eye has a dig. Most likely they’ll chicken out, but a front page with Mandela’s picture, halo above would do nicely.

  282. IRISHBOY @ 16:55

    What a well of interesting facts, Irishboy, ever thought of putting it on paper?

  283. Ostrich (occasionally) @ 12:52

    Serendipity or what, Ostrich? This afternoon, Baron was also mixing sugar with plenty of butter for a cake, then he cleaned, unasked, the large tin bowl with his finger. The best spatula ever, and needs no washing up or dishwasher.

  284. …”…the “selfie” episode also symbolizes the greater global calamity of Western decline. With British prime minister David Cameron playing the role of Obama’s giggling wingman, the “look at me” moment confirms we have unserious leaders in a dangerously serious time…”…

  285. Beer, not wine, is the perfect partner for cheese:-

    “…It’s a proper whirlwind affair where the perfect partners have much in common. Both traditional farmhouse products with similar agricultural ancestry, cheese is made from the milk of animals that munch on grass, not grapes, while barley, essentially another kind of grass, is what brewers use to make beer. If you see a cow, sheep or a goat in a vineyard, they’re clearly lost and shouldn’t be there…”

    An excellent whimsical post, which will whet both your appetite and tastebuds, whether or not one has just finished licking out the bowl!

  286. AWK1 – 17.44

    Anne, he’s just fabulous! I’m listening to his performance of Beethoven’s Waldstein, one of my favourites, and it’s exhilarating, so lonely in the slow movement, and a whirlwind to end. Incredible, and as I say of all the best singers, it seems all the best pianists too are dead.
    Thank you for mentioning this great player and I shall be listening to him more in the next week, as not only does he satisfy my musical cravings, but has for this short time calmed my frazzled nerves as my house move grinds forwards but daily doing deep psychological damage. Still, I could hardly have anticipated that moving from Nigeria (formerly known as Lewisham) to Kent was going to be straightforward.

    And Baron, thank you for your kind words. Twenty years ago when I was starting my professional life I was lucky enough to have a great singing coach who as a pianist studied with Cortot and Arrau, was in her teens a rehearsal pianist for Barbirolli, then Bonynge found her and she played concerts for years with Maggie Teyte, Caballe, Sutherland, Pavarotti, et al. And seeing the news of the death today of Peter O’Toole reminds me she was his voice coach. An amazing lady, who needless to say was hated by colleagues at Covent Garden who cared more about their pensions than their art.
    She’s the one should be writing the book!

  287. Irishboy, I am from Peckham, and my family is all in the SE of London back to the early 19th century. But we moved out to Maidstone when I was a year old.

    December 15th, 2013 – 21:59
    Irishboy, I’m glad you were not disappointed. Even now, more than 60 years have past, yet I can see his easy-easy smile and his hands rising and falling over the keys. I wish you a pleasant move, and hope you will find contentment and happiness in Kent.

  289. Malfleur – 21:32 ‘nypost’

    “The sign-language interpreter wasn’t the only fake at the Mandela funeral. Obama and Cameron were posing as world leaders.”

    As time passes, these compliments are becoming more stylish!

  290. PfM – I think I mentioned before that I’m moving, if all goes to plan, to lovely Faversham. Can’t wait!

  291. Noa December 15th, 2013 – 21:43

    “Beer, not wine, is the perfect partner for cheese:-”

    And cheese preferably Wensleydale is the perfect partner for home-made Christmas cake.

  292. Baron;15 Dec at 15-58.

    We can still tick the Gold Star in the DISQUS section of items that are closed for comment at the Telegraph.

    The article on Hain now has been stared 15 times.

  293. Well, having spent the last week listening to Radio4X in order to avoid the wall-to-wall Mandela Fiction (more than a hundred programmes), I find that the only BBC Radio comedy programme which I truly enjoyed, “I’m sorry I haven’t a clue”, has finally been hitched to the BBC’s Common Purpose, NWO, Marxist bandwagon with an anti-UKIP round. Oh, how they laughed.
    And yet, the collapse of the BBC could happen in a single year if enough people simply stopped paying the TV Poll Tax and just told the BBC thugs who come to your front door where to go. In any case, they could never prove that one was watching live terrestrial TV, and multiply that by say 20 million households and they wouldn’t stand a chance. I put my TV in the bin ten years ago, an haven’t missed it once.

  294. Irish, let’s make sure we meet up for a pub lunch when you are settled.

  295. “I find that the only BBC Radio comedy programme which I truly enjoyed, “I’m sorry I haven’t a clue”, has finally been hitched to the BBC’s Common Purpose, NWO, Marxist bandwagon with an anti-UKIP round. Oh, how they laughed.”

    Sorry, but the dazzling wit, spontaneity and ad-libs of that programme have been complete sham for quite a few years now. Semi-scripted at best, just like HIGNFY.

  296. Do we have any people on this site who are defenders of free speech ? Is that perhaps no longer an essential component of the English conservative mind? I will find out at the beginning of next week’s thread.

  297. Radford NG @ 03:38

    Thanks for the tip, Radford, Baron takes it the facility is only for the thumb up ticks, e.g. Hain getting 15 upticks. They probably wou;dn’t dare include the thumb down button.

  298. PfM – I really look forward to that.

    EC – Yes, you’re quite right, but this was nothing but a nose-rubbing exercise. Blatant, willful and responded to in an unthinking, robotic, empty way. Evil supported by weakness.

  299. Rod Liddle has a new blog on the Roma in London, Baron cannot be bothered to comment, it’s the same story over and over again.

    The 800 arrests of the ‘Romanians’ in the capital is mostly for petty crime – pilfering, pickpocketing, begging – the stuff the gypsies have done for centuries. They come, practice is here because they can. Kicking them will do a fat lot of good. It;s the bloody system that needs changing, the laws that allow them to come, the Brussels originated regulations, rules that facilitate it.

    Quite some time ago, Liddle discovered somewhere in Devon, possible Cornwall, it matters not, a girl, an outreach worker to the Roma community. Regularly, she posted a diary on the Net of what she was up to, the difficulty her charges were facing, the good nature of many of them, that sort of stuff. He did a blog about her and, by God, how the contributors went overdrive kicking the poor girl, making mockery of the job, appealing to her morality.

    Baron take on the girl was as above. It wasn’t her fault, it was her job. And so it turned out. The Councillors who appointed her to the rather well paid job wrote to Liddle pointing out the law required them to have such a position within the Council.

    This is the core of the problem, we have statutes that not only encourage that sort of expenditure, but demand it. Since we are still a law abiding country (thanks God) the only way out is through legislature, there ain’t anything else that can shift us from this shite. And so is the case of the Roma on the streets of our cities. They won’t be there if the laws prevented them from coming in the first place.

    John birch’s right. Madness.

  300. Malfleur @ 10:20

    A rather cryptic posting, Malfleur, what have you been up to?

  301. Malfleur,
    I defend free speech. I am damned if I will kow tow to those insufferable and arrogant snobs with their faux working class accents who presume to tell me what I can and cannot say, or in my case, publish. I am a writer of political satire and I do not dare to publish in this country because of the libel laws. I had great trouble with my second title, both here and across the pond, said it was too controversial, too bloody right it was, but it was real, I witnessed much of what I wrote. Eventually I published it on So speak up you all and do not let the bastards grind you down.

  302. Still on the subject of Roma:

    This warning trip by the police is silly, if anything it will only encourage more to consider coming here. Whoever advised them has no clue how their mind works. Telling them not to commit crime if they come is just like saying come. They don’t regard begging, pilfering, picking pockets as crime, never did.

    We’re truly touching on lunacy.

  303. Baron and Stephen Maybery

    I want to wait until Peter has the new week’ thread up and running before I launch the topic. I shall return!

  304. Guardian: Modern slavery bill to be published

    I thought that the whole point of having a slave was that there was no bill.

  305. RobertC @ 11:44

    Naughty, naughty, Robert.

    Colonel Mustard tackles the same issue here, have a look:

  306. Thanks Peter

  307. Alexander Boot writes a tour de force on immigration and language that is, as usual replete with sardonic wit:

    I sometimes takes a foreign national to point out the delicious irony: that our own native young, who may well be doing the ‘testing’, are often less articulate in their own language than some of the foreigners they may be testing.

  308. sorry – ‘It sometimes takes’. Having trouble with my keyboard this morning.

  309. Baron
    December 16th, 2013 – 11:29The streets are already full of the Roma. They’ve even taken over the BIG ISSUE, and the poor impotent English sellers are looking like shmucks, because to complain would be racist. I am not afraid to speak out, and I give the same reply to them as I do to ‘charity’ collectors for Syria. F*ck off!

  310. RobertC, December 16th, 2013 – 11:44

    “Guardian: Modern slavery bill to be published
    I thought that the whole point of having a slave was that there was no bill.”

    Very Good! 🙂

  311. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 @12:57,

    Quite right, Anne. As Hexamgeezer points out at the other place, most of these foreign Big Issue sellers are too busy on their mobile phones to notice. I have found this to be 100% the case too.

  312. EC – 13:05
    Thank you!

    Britain abolished slavery (in the British Empire) but it is still being nurtured in London – by Maoists, of all people! 🙂

  313. The Guardian: Nick Clegg attacks Theresa May’s ‘illegal’ plan for cap on EU immigrants

    “Deputy PM says Home Office should focus on policies such as reinstating exit checks rather than leaking ‘undeliverable’ ideas”

    Well, UKIP couldn’t have said it better, could they?

    It well describes CMD’s EU negotiations: ‘undeliverable’ ideas.

    Is this Cleggy manoeuvring himself out of Westminster, so he can return to Brussels after the next election? That is, assuming it will still be there?

  314. Does anybody know if Verity is OK?

  315. DAVE declares “mission accomplished” in Afghanistan!
    What does he mean?
    Army now totally shagged? i.e. in the killing fields and in the courts.

  316. EC – 13:36 ‘France screws up in Africa’

    “We need a permanent European fund, not a fund for each individual operation.”

    When we say ‘we’, we mean France!

    It would operate like the Common Agricultural Policy. Set up to benefit Europe but, in operation, it will only benefit France and her interests.

    C’est la vie!

  317. What are we to make of the fact that we are now told that the UK gave Beijing a whopping £27.4 million in aid last year, whilst China continues to invest heavily in the space race.

    Someone somewhere is taking the proverbial p*ss.

    If Cameron were to stop the entire oversees aid budget that is mostly wasted and frittered away he would be seen as a serious politician.

    Cameron is aware of the fact that cuts to benefits are welcomed by the majority and so he tinkers around the edges when he should be cutting and slashing the benefit budget down to the bone.

    If he were to allow the new free schools to have prospective pupils sit and pass examinations, so that places could be given to the brightest (Grammar in all but name) then he might just might be considered as a conservative.

    If he were to allow them to rename themselves as ‘Free Grammar Schools’ he would have earned the right to call himself a Conservative.

    If he were to call an in/out referenda on the EU prior to the election he would win a landslide at the next General Election.

    If at the same referenda he were to ask the English whether they wished to break with the Scott’s he would be very surprised by the outcome.

  318. David Ossitt – 16.07

    Quite so. But he clearly has no autonomy either personally or as a politician or as Prime Minister. Were he do to any one of these things, do you think he would remain in No.10? He’s a mere Faustian front-man following instructions and useful and apparently influential only whilst he does so.

    And never mind about an EU referendum, start to worry about whether or not the EU elections will be held at all next May. They can see what we can see and my guess is that some crisis will be manufactured which will lead to them calling some sort of Emergency resulting in the postponement of the election to some unspecified date in the future.

  319. IRISHBOY December 16th, 2013 – 19:14

    “some crisis will be manufactured which will lead to them calling some sort of Emergency resulting in the postponement of the election to some unspecified date in the future.”

    We live in exciting times, for them to stop the elections would be (for them) a very great risk the backlash would be enormous and the postponed elections when they eventually arrive would then be much worse for them.

  320. IRISHBOY – 19:14 ‘What crisis?’

    Will one need to be manufactured?

    Wait ages for one, then three will come along, together, without any warning!

  321. David O

    Perhaps. But considering the outrage of swatting aside the results of previous referendums then re-holding them to get the right answer, or appointing Italy’s Prime Minister, or taking over all the reins of the Greek economy etc. etc. all done without a bead of sweat appearing on Barosso’s brow or the smallest deviation in the increasingly blatant in-yer-face implementation of tyranny, perhaps not.

  322. Alexander Boot obviously got bored with the soccer this weekend; his latest on Marxism tops his penultimate on language prerequisites for immigrant supplicants:

    I was hoping he would review Diana West’s “American Betrayal” at some stage. It would be interesting to know what he thinks of her analysis and synthesis of the extensive research she has done on communist infiltration of the West. It’s a sobering re-write of the history of the precursors to WWII, the war itself, the Cold War that followed – and the echoes that now resound in the infiltration by the Muslim Brotherhood of Western Institutions. The Long (and much brisker) March of Islam is now now in synch with the Long March of Gramsci and the Frankfurters. No wonder those of the Gramsci and Alinski’s disciples of the 60s/70s who have since grown up and realised that they were used, don’t want to be reminded of just how wrong they were.

    I now understand (and deplore) their denunciation of Diana West for writing the book and urge everyone who has not read it to buy, beg, borrow or steal a copy of it. This densely annotated work ought to get a Pullitzer. It won’t, but it should. It confirms everything that I have suspected for 60 years and fills in many of the dotted lines of the broad picture of my experience as soldier, cop and TV researcher/consultant.

    In his book “How the West was Lost” Mr Boot mourns the loss of the religious underpinning of Western Civilisation. I think that the accommodation of communism in the last century played an equally destructive role and the traitors who accommodated it (deliberately or unwittingly) have mainly remained heroes in the mythology of WWII and the subsequent reshaping of the World. Their compromises were lethal to the power of ten and will probably never be reversed in the history of humanity. It will be exacerbated beyond imagination if their heirs and successors continue to accommodate Islam in the same way.

  323. Peter Hitchens on the segregation of men and women

    “…The Christian churches may be larger in terms of numbers, but their numbers mean much less because for the most part they are in an intellectual retreat from faith, more afraid of Richard Dawkins than of God. And the militant atheists have very little idea of the power and force of Islam, having for the most part not lived in or experienced Muslim societies. So they think that by destroying this country’s Christian character, they merely open a space for themselves. In fact, they open a space for Islam, as we shall see…”

  324. Another controversial excerpt from Hitchens:-

    “…the real problem is that so many people never go inside a church at all. Maybe (I sometimes worry) it is by giving way on these things that Christianity has destroyed itself. If a religion isn’t also a way of life, who long can it survive? Then again, I come back to the old point that it was by supporting the First World War that the Churches in this country destroyed their hold on the minds of millions. After a mistake as big as that, hats don’t really come into it…”

    I wonder if people really agree with this analysis? Did calling WW1 a just war really destroy it? (Has it had that sort of effect elsewhere, in Iran, post the horrendous casualities of Iraq/Iran war for example?) Surely other factors come into play? The growths of the various secular strands: socialism, marxism, even general cynicism, or the failure of their faith by so many Christian ministers themselves, mass communication, etc…

  325. Even cynical Wallsters will wring a rueful smile from some of these products of our equality of outcome education system.

  326. Noa – 22:13 ‘Other factors’

    Diana West’s earlier book, The Death of the Grown-Up, describes many related changes, starting from around the end of WW II.

    But it might have started in the Age of Enlightenment or even the Renaissance, with the introduction of printing and the ability of (fairly wealthy) people to think outside the box and not worry about the consequences, pushing forward the frontiers of rational knowledge.

    The consequences, Science (and Engineering), have been very beneficial but there are many people who see them as not only being superior to Christianity but actually proving it wrong. This is usually due, not to a misunderstanding of a religion, but of not realising that Science is not always an appropriate tool and that it can only ever explain the how – and only then, to a limited extent!

    If you review the posts beneath articles in the Guardian you can see how poorly our intellectuals have been educated!

  327. So I woke up this morning to find our communist President had been cavorting in South Africa with your Premier and some blond Danish politician.
    Beautiful photos in our local messenger.
    So Cameron should know better. He should not be cavorting to upset the very beautiful sophisticated Samantha who is still big here.
    Mind you we still read of his previous cavortings with the beautiful redhead Rebekah Wade who we are told is now within an inch of The Tower.

  328. John Jefferson Burns
    December 17th, 2013 – 05:56
    Hen-Arse Dave also seems to have a yen for Nigella’s sticky goo. Still, better I suppose than all the pooftas in the House.

  329. Anne Wotana Kaye 1, @08:52

    I’ve always preferred Nigella’s Dumplings.
    Steamed not coddled, a most heartwarming sight dish.

  330. Merry Christmas!

    “Saying Merry Christmas is worst than fornication or killing someone….”

    This is a good one!

    h/t Pat Condell (‏@patcondell)

    “A merry Christmas to all kuffar-hating bearded and bag-headed Islamic muppets, especially if it offends them.”

  331. EC
    December 17th, 2013 – 09:07
    Sounds interesting 🙂

  332. John Jefferson Burns 17th, – 05:56

    Nice one! 🙂

  333. Sorry for the delay in getting the wall up. If it fails to appear on a Monday don’t hesitate to email me to remind me. I was busy yesterday. I had to hire a van and drive to Heathrow to pick up a shipment.

  334. Malfleur – 09:21 ‘an open mind’

    It’s only a post, but there is an interesting post by ETHAN233 underneath this article:

    “I bet almost every multivitamin used in the aforementioned studies are pure synthetic vitamins. NOT whole food organic vitamins, or the same thing you get from actual food.”

    The post is a lot longer and goes into more detail.

  335. RoobertC 23.19
    Many thanks, your thoughts appreciated.
    Hitchens was referring specifically to the collapse of christianity (in the UK?) following WW1 and, implicitly in the CofE. It’s interesting though that this collapse didn’t happen in other parts of Europe with populations no less devastated by the war; Germany(44%), Poland(79%) and Greece(79%) all have higher numbers of people believing in a God and, very probably, the UK figures include a significant proportion of the diversity faiths.
    I think you make a valid obesrevation when you link the failure of belief to influence of science. One wonders if this is why, in our post industrial, post scientific, indeed post educational society, Islam and the troubadour evangelical religions are growing so popularity.

  336. Prince Charles is bang on the money

    And while we are at it, why is the FCO criticised for Abbas Khan’s death? He went to a country having a civil war and got into trouble. If people are stupid enough to go to such places I don’t think they can expect the British government to rescue you.
    I am sure there was a travel warning from FCO when he went. End of the governments responsibility.

  337. the one above is me. Typo. sorry

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