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Re: Offices held by those not born of parents who were born as British citizens.
I think that Boris Johnson has parents who are born as British citizens. The issue with him is rather that he is an anti-conservative masquerading as whatever will gain him votes and thereby power, influence and wealth.
I do think that however commendable all manner of people might be, and whatever their contributions to our society, nevertheless senior offices should be reserved to those who have parents who are both born as British citizens. I would like to take things further, but that seems a reasonable and easily comprehended compromise.
Nick Clegg would not be permitted to stand as an MP. Nor would the Milibands. Nor would Diane Abbott. Nor would my own MP, Helen Grant.
This is not some sort of penal system against immigrants, but a necessary and positive reinforcement of our own culture and social structures.
I find it incomprehensible that a former head of MI6 should suggest that we need to let Muslim terrorists back into the UK. Discussing this with my father, I can only imagine that after allowing all these terrorists into the UK, the state will then apologise and insist that we all need to be monitored even more closely for the sake of our security.
The more we learn, the more we cannot believe that our governments have done ANYTHING this century:
Out-of-touch imams can’t halt terrorism, says adviser
“British mosques and imams are woefully ill-equipped to grapple with the ideas of young people tempted to join jihadist groups, an expert on Islam in the UK has warned.
Mehmood Naqshbandi, who has advised the Metropolitan police on Muslims in Britain, told The Times that most imams “know nothing much of Isis” and “would struggle to find Syria on a map”. He said that they communicated mainly in their mother tongue or “cringingly bad English” and were equipped only to argue about factional squabbles from the mid-19th century.”
(£) http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/article4199696.ece
But these people do appear to get the muslim message across to their youngsters.
RobertC,
It is not a question of getting the Muslim message across, the only message necessary is that this is England and if you reside here you obey English law to the letter, and if you are not prepared to do this then get the hell out of our country, the operative word being ours, not yours.
stephen maybery – 11:51
My point is that they are getting their message across, but not ours: funny that”
A joke, a good joke:
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/07/A-Cnn-reporters-BBC-reporters-Israeli-commando-Captured
It has been noted that 120,000 non-British immigrants will be able to vote in the Scottish referendum. Statistics show that there are over 700,000 Scottish born British citizens living in England. I am really surprised that they allowed themselves to be disenfranchised so easily. Unless of course this is not about a notional Scots people and their destiny, but rather just about political power in the place called Scotland.
Peter,
You are bang on the mark with your last posting Peter. It is not a question of independence but gulling people into voting the likes of Salmond powers they would otherwise be unable to acquire. I am suspicious of the opinion polls, there is a lot of intimidation going on up there, I would think answers which come out of the ballot boxes might be rather different. As for all the alien immigrants having the vote, all I can say is that as a Welshman born and bred I would be steaming if a large block of foreigners had a say in the future of my country and I suspect my fellow Celts north of the border will feel the same. Lets play the music and dance.
RobertC 12:00
The underlying truth is no joke; it will do for us all, I’m afraid.
Soeren Kern (Gatestone Instit.) expands on the Sharia Law on German Streets theme.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4681/germany-sharia-police
Frank P
September 8th, 2014 – 13:21I can hear all the NatLibs and ‘umanitarians crying as they piss their pants complaining “it’s not fair”!
The most cerebral take on the Scottish nonsense, so far. From the inimitable Alexander Boot:
http://alexanderboot.com/content/do-scots-know-what-they%E2%80%99re-doing
The only thing I would add, in my coarse manner, would why would anybody want to follow the dictates of a man who has the appearance of a boggle eyed toad and whose utterances are those of a fully paid up member of the Berkeley Hunt. As for the little female poison dwarf who is his acolyte … ??
Can’t say I’m surprised though; always been a bit sussy of the Jocks, since one of their ilk pissed in my overcoat pocket at an England v Scotland match at Wembley in the 1950s. All the good Scots I know emigrated to England (or elsewhere).
Wonder if they’ll all go home if they gain ‘independence’?
Frank P, I would not want my wife to leave me.
Frank P
September 8th, 2014 – 14:10
Wonder if they’ll all go home if they gain ‘independence’?
Yes, yes, sure, sure….Like the Pakis, Africans, Eastern Europeans and all the rest of them!
Ah, come on, Frank P…don’t you think King Eck and Queen Nicola has a bit of a ring to it?
Frank P – 14:06
A mind stretching read on Scotland. Victor Meldrew comes to mind: the actor’s nationality and political views are also appropriate!
However, I think Boot is incorrect when he criticises Booker for saying this about the Ukraine:
“… what triggered the crisis was not Mr Putin’s desire to restore the boundaries of the Soviet Union, but the ludicrously misguided ambition of the West to see Ukraine absorbed into the EU and Nato.”
Putin’s, and Russia’s, stance hasn’t changed for decades – the Ukraine and the Crimea have always been an emotional part of the Moscow empire – it even supplied a USSR president. The Crimea was part of Russia and only unforeseen circumstances changed the situation. New events occurred. Putin saw his chance, and went for it! You could even say he had to, given the historical situation and what triggered it. Doing nothing was an even greater risk, so what was he to do? Something! And he has played his hand much better than the EU.
What triggered it was the Western half (geographically and politically) of the Ukraine signing up to ever closer union with the EU, amply encouraged by Baroness Ashton and the rest of the evil bunch. And we can empathise.
Boot can see the evils in Moscow, as many can, but does he see a Brussels poking the bear, and not understanding the consequences. The alternative is that Brussels does know what it is doing, other than obeying the US, and that is even more frightening.
AWK1 (14:54)
Heh, heh, heh.
Some news for older folks on the site. I see that the Lib Dems plan to abolish both the Winter Fuel Allowance and free TV Licences for the elderly so that they can subsidise bus travel for under 21s.
What LibDems are those? The rump of 8 MPs they’ll have after May next year?
They think that if they bribe younger voters then they will forget their imposing high tuition fees.
There was a Prime Minister called Dave,
Who enjoyed a snort of coke and a rave.
As an extra treat.
he loved beating the meat,
While sending the Union to its grave.
“A controlled explosion has been carried out at London Luton Airport after a “suspect package” was found”.
No further information. We, the public are not considered important enough to know if there was indeed a bomb, and if so, who is suspected.
Have the towel-heads progressed from beheadings and now entered the more sophisticated world of explosives?
For those who can obtain a hard copy of the September issue of Standpoint magazine, they can read a measured critical response in the letters column by Peter Hitchens to the article by Michael Mosbacher in the July/August edition, “Putin has his Useful Idiots on the Left and the Right”.
I note that both Mr. Mosbacher in July and Mr. Alexander Boot on 1st September indulge in the term “useful idiots” in the title of their respective articles on the same topic.
Some of us consider Mr. Hitchens to be useful and not necessarily an idiot.
His letter in September’s Standpoint appears in substance as a comment dated 2nd July at 2:07pm to Mr. Mosbacher’s article online at:
http://www.standpointmag.co.uk/features-july-august-14-vladimir-putin-useful-idiots-left-right-michael-mosbacher-ukraine
Mr. Hitchens’ larger view was published on 21st July in the Daily Mail at:
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2014/07/a-plea-for-restraint-on-the-ukraine-tragedy.html
Meanwhile, it appears that Mr. Boot’s call to arme has been heard:
“U.S. Army troops will lead an international military exercise inside western Ukraine later this month. The exercises, known as “Rapid Trident 2014,” will begin Sept. 15 and include troops from several NATO and NATO-partner states, including Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Canada, Georgia, Germany, Britain, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Norway, Poland, Romania, Spain, and the United States.
Russian nuclear forces will conduct a large-scale exercise in mid-September, state news agencies reported.”
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russian-strategic-bombers-near-canada-practice-cruise-missile-strikes-on-us/
Some bang; some door.
Does the confusion and evasion explicit in Obama’s handling of the recent rapid rampage of jihadists in Iraq and Syria indicate that he is going through a mid-life ISIS?
From mail on line
She has even encouraged other Britons to travel to Syria, saying: ‘I might be only 18 but I know coming to shaam [is] the best decision. Staying in the UK completely diminishes your islam.’
The jihadist set up her Twitter account on June 27 – just one day after schoolgirl sisters Salma and Zahra Halane fled to Syria.
Diminishes your Islam !!!
Exactly.
If folk want to ask questions of Mr. Boot, then just drop him a line. He is like us. Interesting and polite emails may get a reply.
Peter (1029)
I can vouch for that. Btw today he pens a whimsical piece about the late Diana and recent revelations by Harry about her proactive response to Camilla’s dalliance with the future King (always supposing he outlives his mother, which is looking increasingly improbable). Boot takes issue, not so much with the reported threats, by Diana, but with the grammar in which they were couched, citing his own mother’s m.o. when she was similarly betrayed by his father. It is all couched in a very neat plug for his recent autobiography, wherein the memories of his father’s infidelity and much else is grippingly and amusingly related. A very good read and a wonderful insight of the Russia of of his childhood. He never grew as fond of the thugs who wielded power in his native land as Hitchens and the latter’s 70s cohorts apparently did in their youth.
Peter from Maidstone @ 10:29
But if you write, avoid contradicting the giant of Russian literature, even politely and interestingly.
RobertC @ 15:36
Rationality won’t get you far Robert, certainly not with a man who carries not a chip, but a rock the size of Mount Everest on his shoulder, thinks the country owes him big, sees everything Russian through the prism of hate.
Mr. Boot and I often disagree. There are ways of disagreeing I think. A disagreement can be raised in a question, or it can be baldly stated. Assuming that correspondents get a lot of messages, one that says, “Hello, I think you are wrong” (I am not suggesting you have written in any such manner) will probably not get answered. Those that say, “I have really enjoyed your posts…. Can you explain what you mean about….?” Might stand a better chance of a response from a busy person.
Baron – 11:56
I can see where he is coming from and I do not forget how bad it was in the East, and for so long.
However, given that Moscow is Moscow, and has been for longer than even the EEC was created, or even many of the European countries come to that, and that the EU is supposed to be the most enlightened political force in the world, it is our problem that the EU is void of wisdom and humanity, not that Moscow is as it always has been, even if it is worse!
Putin is certainly a strong ‘leader’ and, despite his vertical reach, overshadows the long streak of cloudy piss who has usurped the office of POTUS in every conceivable way. But then, he is at the the apex of a very formidable ruthless and murderous mafia kleptocracy; one which the Western ‘leaders’ have become deeply embroiled in both politically and criminally. So much so that the West has little or no leverage left as Vlad seeks to extend his patch and his grip. One can only hopes that if he triggers a new arms race, it will financially sink him before it destroys us. Given what we have allowed to develop in the Middle East, it seems to me that the odds of our side emerging from the current chaos intact are very poor indeed. The threatened break up of the UK by a subversive, unprepossessing toad and a cabal of stroppy revolutionary Jocks is just part of the chaos which has been ‘progressively’ engineered for many decades. Even if this current surge is rejected by the thinking population of Scotland, the fuckers won’t give up. Cameron should have rejected any vote to break up the UK unless all UK citizens had their say, given the extreme logisitical and financial implications for all UK subjects. Even then, given the current confusion of hoi polloi of ‘GB’ (I wish) as a result of years of infiltration of the Education system by Gramsci’s moles, a “Yes” vote could have emanated, anyway.
Now, those of us who are still possessed of a modicum of what we once understood as patriotism, are pissing agin the wind and can only wait for deluge… ???
“Après le déluge” ?
You tell me!
The last word on the Rotherham Muslim rape gangs story is in a post called: “They Are All Guilty” at:
http://john-moloney.blogspot.com/2014/09/they-are-all-guilty.html
Basically it argues that there have been no arrests among all those officials and police guilty of criminal negligence because those in power are just as guilty.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 September 8th, 2014 – 23:35
“A controlled explosion has been carried out at London Luton Airport after a “suspect package” was found”.
It was a hair drier.
I am of the opinion that Cameron’s lack lustre performance in the ‘better together’ campaign has been deliberate, he wants the split, he wants rid of the 41 Scottish labour MP’s and the eleven Lib Dems that keep England from being a Conservative country.
Having witnessed some of the more outlandish elements of the ‘Yes’ group, I have formed the opinion that separation might prove to be good for England and a disaster for the Scott’s.
Vicar ‘presided over a conveyor belt of sham marriages’ http://dailym.ai/1onEkYr
I am shocked, as I am sure you all are.
One would never expect this to be going on.
What was his name again.
Where did he come from.
What tribe did he belong to .
As English as I am.
Apparently .
.
David Ossitt – 19:35 ‘It was a hair drier’
I expect it was one of those Earth threatening high-powered hair driers that Brussels has been warning us about.
We cannot be too careful!
John Birch, 492 sham marriages but he is charged with just a few offences. What will he get? What will happen to all these hundreds complicit in fraud?
Schoolgirl raped ‘by boy as punishment in attack led by woman, 19’ http://dailym.ai/1ons5uR
More evidence of how lucky we are to have the new world we live in.
So much better than the boring world of the past.
I see the three party leaders have cleared their diaries and are heading off to Scotland. What did the poor Scots do to deserve that? Three blind mice, see how they run.
I think I have reached my elastic limit of political rubbish emanating from, well, everywhere for a while!
According to Dan Hodges, yesterday, Gordon Brown, “emerged to tell us that he had a proposal for a new constitutional settlement if the Scots vote “No” in next week’s referendum. It wasn’t an official proposal, he explained. Just a little something he’d cooked up after chatting with people in his local constituency.”
And now others (Ed?) are saying it is a good idea, but it isn’t official, and …. is there any point in continuing?
I don’t have a vote and I had hoped they would decline independence but, after thinking and reading that a 51% YES vote will clinch the deal, while a 40% YES vote would be encouragement for another vote, a la EU, that those with Scottish mortgages will run the high risk of higher monthly repayments, it will disrupt industry, so little has even been thought about and now, reading Janet Daley’s article:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/janetdaley/100285774/alex-salmond-the-hugo-chavez-of-the-north/
where she points out that the aim is more of a Socialist’s paradise (like Venezuela, if you want to laugh!) than an independent Scotland, with saving the NHS, which is a Scottish matter now, anyway, one of their main objectives.
The chaos across the UK will just add to the current political mess we are in. And, if they screw up, like they did before (the Darien Disaster, you don’t even have to make it up!!!), it will be unlikely that we will want them back, on any condition.
As several have said, if they vote YES, it will be a heck of a long time before they have any chance reconciliation, especially if separation stops that droning noise that drifts south on the Northern winds, and I am not talking about bagpipes!
I think erecting an electric fence on the Scottish border will be a necessity. The Sangat crowd will be able to fly to Scotland and invade us from the North. In fact, they will be able to fly directly from Italy and miss out Sangat completely!
Do you think that Britain would be better run if Oxbridge stopped awarding PPE degrees?
I was talking about South East London with my father this evening. We were looking at some of the history of the various villages that became suburbs in the later 19th century. We were born and bred in Peckham and the surrounding areas. My Dad remembers Peckham as clean and well ordered in a working English way, but now he is appalled by it. A rubbish dump of a place with no English identity at all.
A gang of five Pakistani men are in court charged with the rape and sustained abuse of a 13 year old English girl in Bradford just August last year. It is still going on and it is going on everywhere.
I cannot resist this report:
Nine out of ten Scots ‘are a burden on the state’ (and that’s the suggestion of Scotland’s Tory leader)
“‘It is staggering that public sector expenditure makes up a full 50 per cent of Scotland’s gross domestic product and only 12 per cent of households are net contributors, where the taxes they pay outweigh the benefits they receive through public spending.
…
‘Only 12 per cent are responsible for generating Scotland’s wealth. There are people with household incomes of £50,000 who are paying tens of thousands of pounds in taxation and even that doesn’t cover the amount of money that government spends in their name’
She said it was ‘frightening’ that the average Scottish household consumed £14,151 more in public services every year than it pays in tax, according to the Office for National Statistics.
…
Describing Miss Davidson’s speech as her ‘Mitt Romney moment’, Kenny Gibson, an SNP member of the Scottish Parliament, said: ‘At least Mitt Romney only insulted around half of Americans.’”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2214477/Nine-Scottish-households-benefits-pay-tax.html
David Ossitt
September 9th, 2014 – 19:35
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 September 8th, 2014 – 23:35
“A controlled explosion has been carried out at London Luton Airport after a “suspect package” was found”.
It was a hair drier.
As Victor Meldrew would say, “I don’t believe it”!
We know it’s nasty, but this is even more troubling:
Researcher who uncovered Rotherham abuse ‘feared for life’ after police visit
“A Home Office researcher who uncovered the scale of child sex abuse in Rotherham more than 10 years ago was left in fear of her life after being visited by two South Yorkshire police officers, MPs have been told while taking evidence in private.
The Commons home affairs select committee, meeting in a secret session on Tuesday to protect the identity of the researcher, heard that an office break-in followed the contact from the South Yorkshire officers and her files went missing.
When the MPs put the allegation to the former South Yorkshire chief constable, Meredydd John Hughes, who was deputy head of the force at the time, he said he knew nothing of the Home Office research report and told the committee that he had had “no idea of the scale and scope” of child sexual exploitation in Rotherham.
The committee took the highly unusual step of taking the evidence from witnesses on oath under the 1871 Perjury Act”
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/09/researcher-rotherham-abuse-feared-for-life-police-visit
Sultan Knish draws attention to the similarity between what Obama has done to America and what Maliki has done to Iraq – a very powerful essay. We can also justifiably draw similar conclusions about the prevailing crisis over the “UK”:
http://sultanknish.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/obamas-iraqization-of-america.html
AWK1 9th, – 22:52
“As Victor Meldrew would say, “I don’t believe it”!”
I do.
Robert – 00:00
There is this as well:
“The Conservative MP, Nicola Blackwood, said the committee had heard evidence in private from the Home Office researcher that her 2002 report had been greeted with hostility by the South Yorkshire police. She said they had heard evidence that the researcher had been contacted by two officers who threatened to pass her name on to the groomers in Rotherham and she had been left in fear of her life.”
It just gets worse and worse and we drift along as if nothing is wrong – just cultural enrichment to be endured.
The English Defence League (Chairman: Steve Eddoes) is running back to back demonstrations in Rotherham on 13th September and at Downing Street on 20th September.
http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/vilified-then-vindicated/
Eddoes writes: “We know from the media and from our members that the terrible events in Rotherham have parallels in Rochdale, Derby, Oxford and other centres. Although we don’t know if the scale elsewhere approaches the 1,400 victims in Rotherham, we do know that officials and politicians need to be told clearly, loudly and decisively before they will act effectively. “
Clare M Lopez is now under the aegis of the Centre for Security Policy with other heavyweights such as Frank Gaffney:
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/author/imp_clarem_lopez/
Her last three essays relating to the ISIS crisis are seminal. Her knowledge of, and analytical capabilities relating to, the Middle East and the Muslim Brotherhood are second to none imho. She paints a chilling scenario. The West is being goaded into intervention by the Islamic strategists and we’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t.
Meanwhile, I don’t see anyone demonstrating against the Cabinet’s going along with the NATO exercise which will include American troops and which is set to start INSIDE Ukraine on 15th September. Not even Rent-a-Mob. What happened to the Labour Party? Did it invest its pension fund in armaments?
The Prime Minister has still not, so far as I have found, declared what vital British interest is at stake in this adventure which is more honoured in the breach than the observance.
John Embry who is in the precious metals business writes:
“I am really unnerved by the beating of the war drums in the United States. A lead editorial in The Economist attacked Russian President Vladimir Putin in such a one-sided manner that it was laughable. I may not be an admirer of Putin, but the West is really attempting to engage Putin in some sort of military action. Meanwhile, Putin has acted with great patience, even with the West’s continued aggression at his doorstep.
There are some very intelligent people suggesting that we could be headed to a world war as a result of the West’s aggression.”
http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2014/9/9_Embry_-_Vladimir_Putin,_The_U.S._Dollar,_Gold_%26_A_Warning.html
And speaking of Frank Gaffney, his ten part course on the Muslim Brotherhood is available here and it is free:
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/the-muslim-brotherhood-in-america/
It is essential that every sapient citizen of the once free Western Civilisation takes the time to avail themselves of this information. Disseminate as widely as you can, while the crisis develops and is reported (often speciously) by the MSM. The time is ripe for our own propaganda.
Nice to see the Select Committee skewering the Common Purpose bastards from Rotherham Council and South Yorks Police. Watch them all wriggle and lie under oath.
http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=16005
But over 4 hours, they manage to avoid any mention of the Islam. It may be these useless, PC bastards that turned a blind eye to what was going on, but there is no investigation into why the Pakis thought it was OK, why they seem to be excused their race bias, why the beliefs they hold are so disgusting.
A proper investigation would recommend that schools teach all children to be aware of grooming and require mosques to undertake not to teach those aspects of the vile book of the paedo that denigrate women and sanction supremacism over the infidel. No ‘British’ Imam that refuses should be legally sanctioned from preaching/teaching within the UK and no foreign Imams that hold/accept these views be allowed admission to the UK.
Clear Memories (01:16)
Very grateful for the link. I missed the TV coverage today and intended to dig it out. You saved me a job. I’ve just watched the first twenty minutes and will catch the rest tomorrow. I’ll describe my mixed emotions when I’ve seen it all. At this moment I’m finding it difficult to witness yet another kebbabing of an ex-senior member of HM Constabulary. It seems we have travelled further down the road to perdition than I already suspected. And there is obviously no way back.
Sorry Frank, but it gets worse! Wait until the ‘Commissioner’ appears. At least the two Coppers spoke a recognisable form of English. The CP wankers speak distortion and exude a sense of entitlement, appearing to disbelieve anybody should question them and their actions or decisions. Much as I dislike the slimy prick, Vaz’s summing up and destruction of Thacker is priceless. The look on her face of disbelief, tempered with ‘who the fuck do you think you’re talking to?’ is beyond joyous.
Much, much more serious is the complaint by the Home Office researcher that she was ‘pulled over’ by a South Yorks Police Car and warned by uniformed Officers that “it would be terrible if the Paki’s found out here she lived”.
These men must be hunted down and jailed. And if their colleagues won’t give them up, all serving Officers up to that date must have their pensions suspended, as a start until these scum are found. They will be known to their peers and failure to report is surely as bad as the act itself.
At least we know our Cops in Queensland are violent, corrupt liars only acting to raise revenue and can act accordingly. It still comes as something of a shock to find British bobby’s acting so badly.
Frank P:
Many thanks for the links to Claire Lopez and Frank Gaffney; I wondered where she had gone after the GI.
My take on the Scotland situation;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXpntdwuV60
I’ve been thinking of a possible best case scenario if Scotland becomes independent. It will not be a member of the EU or of NATO, and its armed forces will be pitiful. So what is to stop the UK invading Scotland while they are celebrating their independence in a couple of years time. This would save a lot of hassle. The Scots would continue to hate the English, we wouldn’t have to worry about setting up a formal border with Scotland, and there would be no question about the ownership of oil and gas reserves? It would be all over in a day or so. Troops drive up the M6 and A1 during the evening of independence and then just as the bells are ringing and fireworks are exploding we move on Glasgow and Edinburgh, capture the Parliament and install a provisional Government of occupation. All the MSPs would be arrested.
I can’t see a downside to this?
PfM Not much of a downside and an invasion could be prosecuted quicker than you think. The Otterburn and Redesdale MOD camps and range abut the border and going via the A68 and A697 we’d be in Edinburgh in time for breakfast
Peter and Hexhamgeezer
This had crossed my mind… – but it has to be done the modern way, i.e. “liberation” not “occupation”, “provisional reunification government” etc, etc.
and of course the Scots to be arrested would include those in Westminster who had countenanced the violation of national unity and the denial of the right of Englishmen and Welshmen to vote on the partition of their country, such as D. Cameron, etc.
Malfleur, a good idea. 9% of the population of Scotland were born in England. And if 49% vote for continued union then there is a mandate for assisting a persecuted minority. The English couple who have been driven out of Stirling by violent abuse should be able to call on English force to protect them.
It might be wise then to wait for a first provocation after independence. For an English person to be abused or his property vandalised. And then we will need to move in to protect the English minority population.
LORD grant that Marshall Wade
May by Thy mighty aid,
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush
And like a torrent rush
Rebellious Scots to crush.
GOD save the King.
Peter 10.20.
What would be your purpose in invading Scotland?
And with what?
On ‘Scottish’ oil.
Why should the Shetland and Orkney islanders simply not declare UDI?
Or state an intention to remain British, or even become Norwegian?
What could Samond do about it
The purpose of invading Scotland, or liberating it, would be to establish the territorial integrity of the United Kingdom, to prevent uncontrolled immigration through their borders, to protect the minority English born population from persecution together with the larger unionist population and to ensure that Scotland was not able to default on its debt to the detriment of the United Kingdom.
On September 9th I posted a comment linking to an article by Conrad Black on the topic of Islamic extremism in the National Post. Shortly after that it disappeared.
Now it has reappeared – as the last item in last week’s Wall that supposedly ended on September 8th.
How did this happen?
Herbert, I imagine that you posted it on a different wall than you thought. I don’t create a new wall until Monday morning.
Hexhamgeezer @ 09:56
Priceless, the Hitler thing.
Peter from Maidstone @ 10:20
If we did Putin, Peter, the ‘international community’ would impose sanctions, arm the whisky drinkers, dispatch the kissing Baroness to London to patch things up. Far smarter to let the Scots go (if the decide to split) because in no time they’ll be back begging to sign another Act of Settlement.
Peter,
The idea of an RUK/Anglo-Welsh Army of occupation on the streets of Glasgow, Inverness and Aberdeen is truly a remarkable proposal. The size required should, if conscription is re-introduced, eliminate unemployment overnight.
It would be necessary I suspect, to arrest potential trouble makers. We could expect to see ‘Snatch’ land rovers being sent to detain the big fish such as Salmond and Sturgeon, hooded and with hands gaffer taped behind their backs.
Convoys of English ethnic minority refugees would be have to be escorted in convoys to the Carlisle border, possibly under fire, prior to re-settlement. Conversely mass round ups and deportations of Scots settlers could begin; providing welcome confiscated housing stock for new imimgrants from Calais and the Karachi-Heathrow conveyer belt.
It look calamitous, but hopefully the Scottish restlessness won’t come to full calamity, Peter.
There’s one take on it that has eluded every scribbler and pundit Baron has come across. It is that what may be underpinning the Scots’ desire to break away, the bottom line of it, is the wholesale dysphoria of the hoi polloi in the country as a whole with the contemporary political environment. The feeling of ‘them’ ruling over ‘us’ with ever growing democracy deficit as law making moves increasingly and irrevocably from Westminster to Brussels. The Scots just found a politician, who senses what has been bleeding obvious to most of us, is both feeding it and feeding of it, even though, economically, independence may not deliver what the people are hoping for.
It’s a kind of gut reaction to decades of being taken for a ride by the political class of every colour, of law experimentation without people’s consent, of giving up on sovereignty, transferring powers to Brussels. The Scots, probably because they’re smaller in numbers, feel threatened by the creation of an European identity more than the English, think their culture will be trampled by it, their proud history lost in the multy culty goulash of borderless Europe.
The idea of Scottish independence goes totally against the pan-European dream, the stuff that is supposed to be a step towards the ultimate ‘world citizenship’, the evil Malfleur keeps warning us about. It the Scots do break away (and Baron hopes they don’t), it will be at least on par with the implosion of the Red Menace’s Empire of the East.
Baron, the Scots want independence from England so that they can join the EU. They are not against socialist pan-Europeanism, far from it. But to realise their leftist ambitions they need to create a fantasy future of even greater state benefits than are now enjoyed by the unemployed Scots so that they will vote to separate from increasingly anti-EU England and unite directly with the mother-teat of socialism.
It’s never been about an independent Scots nation. That is why my wife and 700,000 other Scots living in England and disenfranchised while foreigners living in Scotland get the vote. It is about power for a few, a socialist few.
There are fears about the England v Scotland friendly coming up before the referendum. Apparently the England fans have a new chant…
F— off Scotland, we’re all voting ‘yes’.
Peter from Maidstone @ 16:58
It’s the political elite who wants to join the EU, Peter, the Scots Baron knows don’t.
Tony Brenton, our former man in Moscow, talks sense:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/11084600/Its-time-to-back-away-from-the-Russian-wolf.html
Clear Memories @ 01:16
Baron couldn’t get the sound on the link, the speakers were very faint, impossible to hear them.
Frank P @ 00:46
Baron has done as you’ve asked, Frank, six more recipients have got the the link. were asked to spread the word further.
It pains the barbarian to say it again, but the key to curing this boil is in the changes to the law. Even if those who turned a blind eye to the grooming of underage girls, the coppers who threatened the researcher, all the councillors were to be punished there is nothing that would prevent a similar recurrence, not perhaps of grooming, but (say) sharia patrols, indoctrination in work places and stuff like that.
The question is will those in power have the guts to dismantle the legal framework, like getting rid of the ‘uman rites’, that allows the sharia promoters to prosper? Could UKIP do it?
Yes voters?
http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland/top-stories/red-man-and-may-queen-conceive-son-on-night-of-beltane-fire-festival-1-1204922
“…Troops drive up the M6 and A1 during the evening of independence and then just as the bells are ringing and fireworks are exploding we move on Glasgow and Edinburgh, capture the Parliament and install a provisional Government of occupation. All the MSPs would be arrested. I can’t see a downside to this?…”
Mmmmm, let’s try this one again:-
Troops drive down the M6 and A1 during the evening of independence and then just as the bells are ringing and fireworks are exploding we move on Westminster, capture the Parliament and install a provisional Government of occupation. All the MPs would be arrested…”
I can’t see a downside to this!
Baron – at the risk of grandmother, egg-sucking etc, the sound doesn’t start until the proceedings start, so quite often there is a period of near silence as people move around, seat and settle themselves etc. Can’t have the plebs catching an unguarded aside, can they. Failing that, check your browser. I can only get the site to perform in Mozilla or Chrome, not Outlook. I also view with Silverlight.
Happy viewing (this one is definitely worth the time investment)
“Beginning today, the organization Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth has placed a massive, 45-foot video billboard of World Trade Center 7’s destruction in Times Square which is timed to run for the 13th anniversary of 9/11 and on through October 5th.
Against a backdrop of WTC7’s repeated freefall, the words “5:20 PM on 9/11, WTC7 came down in a classic controlled demolition. The government says fire brought it down, but anyone who watches the video can see otherwise” will appear. The 15-second spot will air every two minutes for four straight weeks.”
http://www.activistpost.com/2014/09/giant-video-billboard-of-wtc7s.html
I came across this Austin Barry comment earlier, (he posts on Brietbart these days), it’s too good not to share with the Wallsters:-
Austin Barry 10 days ago
“The only thing the UK is leading is in becoming the first Islamic state in the anglosphere.”
No problem.
I am thinking and planning ahead to ease the Barry family’s transition to Islam.
Next week Mrs Barry and I are undergoing surgical modifications to our nether regions to comply with Sharia law. Mrs Barry is being fitted for a burka which I shall insist she wear not only when shopping but also indoors (not mandatory for Islam compliance, but appropriate for personal aesthetic reasons).
Fido is going, as will the entire contents of our ‘A Wee Dram afore ye go, Jimmy’ cocktail cabinet (purchased a decade ago in pre-revolutionary Scotland).
Join us, everyone. You have nothing to lose but your foreskins.”
As Peter explained, although I thought I was using the current Wall, I must have actually posted this to last week’s Wall. So here it is anew.
IS ISLAM DESTINED TO HAVE A REFORMATION?
Conrad Black seems somewhat optimistic on the question –
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/author/cblacknp/
If I understand him correctly, Black believes that extremism will always fail of its own accord because a population that is subjected to it – and revolutionaries themselves who install a regime that uses extremism – will always ultimately reject it. That is a powerful argument and the French rejection of extremism following the excesses of their revolution is certainly an example of revolutionaries themselves rejecting extremism.
But does that necessarily always happen?
To my mind, Cambodia is an example both of the powerlessness of an oppressed population when subjected to complete ruthlessness – and of the revolutionaries themselves failing to turn against the excesses. If the figures are correct, Pol Pot’s regime murdered 25% of Cambodia’s population and even after that, his regime was replaced not by Cambodians themselves, but by war following intervention from outside Cambodia.
That makes me wondfer – what stands in the way of Islam permanently continuing to produce leaders and fanatics of the kind now comprising ISIS (and who are apparently quite as ruthless were Pol Pot and his Khmer Rouge followers)? To my mind that is a formidable barrier not only to Islam undergoing a complete reformation, but of it ever actually happening? The great barrier being of course the fact that the Koran – which is the very basis of Islam and is considered to be final and immutable – clearly calls on Muslims to use violence against unwilling Infidels and against Jews in particular.
What CHW folk think?
A sensible and authoritative post on Ukraine, in the DT of all places!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/11084600/Its-time-to-back-away-from-the-Russian-wolf.html
Herbert
With some experience of them, I think the only way Islam can be addressed is by a total refusal to tolerate it until Islam itself finds a way to address the irrefutability of their little book of hate.
That means an absolute refusal to allow any aspects of the cult to intrude upon our lives, from a refusal to permit halal cruelty through to an absolute and total ban on their “cultural” clothing for men and women and no public demonstration in support of the aims of Islam as opposed to the freedom of action or speech intrinsic in western nations. Perhaps the position of Saudi Arabia should be mirrored, all mosques closed and possession of their vile book made a crime.
No institution should be allowed to offer anything so-called Sharia-compliant. No Muslim to be allowed into any role requiring the swearing of an oath to Queen or (any) Country and in any legal scenario, the assumption adopted that, because they can swear on the Koran and lie and are expected by the Koran to lie to the detriment of infidels, they be assumed to be lying or giving false evidence.
Finally, they are not a religion, they are a political force and should receive no tax or financial concessions. Transfer of any funds to an Islamic Country should be made unlawful as there can be no guarantee it won’t fund terrorism, no matter what statements the sender might make. All Muslim charities must have their charitable status withdrawn.
Until strong actions are taken, they will make no effort to change.
Clear Memories
September 11th, 2014 – 03:25
A sensible and responsible solution. Because it is so rational, there is absolutely no chance of it being applied in this corrupt and insane system we live in.
Noa @ 22:15
Where does one join the troops driving down the M6 ……
Clear Memories @ 22:52
Nope, Clear Memories, nothing seems to work for reasons unknown, which infuriates the barbarian, he shouts, is threatened with imminent certification bal, bla.
It isn’t noticeably better in any other browser. At full strength in Chrome, Baron has to stick his head so close to the screen he can almost kiss it. But, you are so right, it’s worth it even though Baron almost wishes he didn’t watch it, scenes like that tend to get his blood pressure up, the arrhythmia kicking in.
Clear Memories@September 11th, 2014 – 03:25
Generally agree with most of that
especially the bit about muslim charities.
Also HMRC should look carefully at corner shops and takeaways. So many dont use the till, just chuck the money in. How on earth do they calculate their VAT without proper transaction recording? I suspect they just grab cash out of the till for personal use so the VAT and income tax is lost to the government.
anyone know what the law is on tills and VAT?
It is a fact that HMRC do not subject Asian-owned businesses to the same level of scrutiny as white-operated businesses.
It’s the same philosophy as that which allowed the Rotherham situation.
I suggest the sceptical spend an evening in any UK casino. Watch who comes in after take-away closing time and how much cash they throw on the table. I sat in the Wheels Club, Birmingham one night and watched ‘an oriental gentleman’ play two roulette tables at once from a bag stuffed with cash. They do not buy chips, it’s all cash. It took many years before the Wing Wa warehouse chain accepted credit cards. Only cash here, Gweilo.
Advance notice
Next friday, the 19th, is ‘International Talk like a Pirate Day’
I will be looking for lots of ‘Aharr Jim laad’ greetings in your posts!
Alexsandr, thanks for the heads up. I had mistakenly been learning Somalian to help celebrate the day.
I see that the NHS chief says that dementia patients must be told that they have the illness .
I don’t mean to be flippant , but how many times are they to be told.
One of my best friends is extremely ill , and dementia is just one of his problems.
He’s been told by doctors specialists and family time and time again, but of course he forgets it.
All he wants to know is when he will be better so he can go home.
Clear Memories – 03:25
Anyone trying to change the Seventh Century Cult, automatically becomes an outsider, which keeps the cult ‘pure’. And unless they change the ‘literature’ it will always be misinterpretable, and the literature itself deems that it is not an available remedy, so we have a problem that is 1400 years old.
Alexsandr – 10:05
More and more examples are emerging, and one day it will dawn on people that there are many problems, but only one cause: we do not have the law of our land applied consistently.
Islam’s reformation!
Ha, ha ha.
That’ll be a taqqya reformation.
The funny thing is, like so many things, the truth is hidden in full view.
Turkey’s Erdogan spells out Islam’s reformation in full: ‘Democracy is like a tram. You ride it until you arrive at your destination, then you step off.’
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2014/08/mr-erdogan-changes-trams-.html
That article explains what happens once Islam has got its hands on power: the old Islam returns and roasts its enemies on a spit.
Reformation!
If anyone believes that, then they believe David Cameron!
Peter Hitchens:
“Let’s look at what happens if there actually is a ‘Yes’ vote.
“For a start, most of the scare stories will turn out to be just that.
“It’s the same with the scare stories we are fed about what would happen if Britain left the EU.
“Just as the EU would have no rational interest in fouling up a major market and close neighbour, England would have no interest in causing an economic and political crisis in Scotland.
“So we would sort out some sort of currency union, make a reasonable agreement on the debt, and use what influence we have in the EU to ensure that Scotland isn’t forced on to the ramp that leads to the Euro, or into Schengen.
“Since there’s no precedent for a part of an existing EU member separating from that EU member, I expect compromises can and will be found.”
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2014/09/could-alex-salmond-accidentally-liberate-england-.html
In that article on Turkey, Hitchens exposes The Economist (I know it’s left-wing bilge, but it is the Bible of the bien pensant, do it’s important – it forms the opinons of politically correct airheads in London and New York).
He explains how it has stopped calling ‘modern’ Turkey’s Erdogan ‘mildy Islamist’ – that last phrase is beyond parody.
That’s not the end of it though.
The Economist refused to endorse India’s Narendra Modi, because he won’t take any xxxx from You Know Who:
“Although we did not endorse him, because we believe that he [Narendra Modit] has not atoned sufficiently for the massacre of Muslims that took place in Gujarat while he was chief minister, we wish him every success:”
And more from the same rag:
“There are three main dangers. One is that Mr Modi turns out to be more of a Hindu nationalist than an economic reformer. He has spoken of “bringing everyone along”. But while he has already worshipped at the Ganges since his victory, promising to clean up the river sacred to Hindus, he has not brought himself to mention Muslims, who make up 15% of the population.”
WTF?
I am very interested in Scotland bearing the true cost of so-called independence. I think Hitchens is entirely wrong.
Let me put this as politely as I can.
When Mr Modi was chief minister of that province and he had, shall we say, a Muslim problem, he took the tone of Nick Griffin.
For that, he will always be hated by the Western bien pensant, because Mr Modi offers the perfect precedent for how to deal with that sort of thing.
By the way, readers of the Shariagraph are going absolutely nuts today over an article by Sayeeda Warsi lover, BAE arms sales to Saudi Arabia lover, David Cameron lover and all-purpose toad, Sharia O’bore.
It was supposed to be just bog-standard scare story about how the sky will fall on Soctland’s head if it goes independent.
Into this colour by numbers crud, O’bore dropped this little nugget, which reveals what he really thinks of his readers:
“there are signs of a malevolent new English identity”.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11087292/Scottish-independence-Britain-is-facing-its-greatest-constitutional-crisis-in-300-years.html
Boy do the comments sock it to this public school Islamist.
A great comment I have to copy from a Spectator reader before it is ‘moderated’:
English Majority
‘You really are total Establishment and pro-status quo, aren’t you, Spectator.
‘I thought you were a bit different, but you’re not.
‘The entire Establishment have sprung their rancid, smelly legs into motion to stop Scottish Independence, and you dutifully fall into line.
‘You’re also liars. The fact is that most English don’t care, AT ALL, if Scotland leaves. But you’ve given this fact zero coverage.
‘Add in the sinister Alex Massie article, in which he spoke of his deep pride that England was becoming non-White, and generally displayed his visceral hatred of the native English people, and it becomes pretty clear what the Spectator has become.
‘Britain is gone. It died when we were colonised by millions of black and Muslim immigrants, all ridiculously thinking they have the right to be called British. It died when Leftists took control of our politics and institutions.’
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9311032/please-scotland-stay-with-us/
Jackie at 16-42
Hitchens is completely wrong.Half of the territory of the EU has already left the EU.This is Greenland,which is in connection with Denmark.
As for England having no rational interest etc.:it is not `England`;it will be the 55 million people in England;many of whom will be completely naffed-off with Salmond and the blue painted savages who represent Scotland.The Westminster MPs are going to be representing the resentful English;and they had better remember it.
This is different from the EU for which no one has any patriotic feelings.
Interesting programme here which is all about voluntary repatriation of migrants. It’s a UK organisation. I am reading more to see what it does and if it can be helped to do much more….
http://www.choices-avr.org.uk/
Peter from Maidstone@September 11th, 2014 – 17:19
peter
it will cost a fortune
they will need a new DVLA
what will happen to Network Rail?
air accident investigators
revenue and customs and immigration
there was a thing on radio 4 where they were arguing about what happens to university research (The scots get more than their fair share of funding at the moment)
they will need their own university admissions body
will they split the national grid (Gas and leccy) can they frack in scotland -isnt it mostly igneous rock?
who will be lender of last resort to banks? have they the resources to bail out a big bank? they will need something like the FCA too.
They will need their own NICE
what about embassies, ambassadors etc?
UN membership. That costs – http://collections.europarchive.org/tna/20080205132101/www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front%3Fpagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1007029394167
the patent office. where will scots register patents and intellectual property?
passorts. but you cant do passports till the EU status is agreed cos EU member passports are EU pattern. If I were a sweaty I would renew mine now.
Dear All,
Just to clarify, literally millions of us up here are very proud to be British and never wanted any of this Independence nonsense.
I can understand why the whole charade is deeply infuriating to my non-Scotland based fellow-Britons but may I ask for your forbearance? We also hate the disruption to normal running of our mighty UK.
The very fact that the decision to potentially fracture my much-loved country, the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland, might rest on the views of a large number of non-British immigrants allowed Referendum voting rights turns my stomach.
We pray for a resounding “No” vote and a permanent, pro-British realism for our whole country.
I still would like to know the identity of the vermin behind the ongoing destruction of the West, it is happening too fast to be random. Cui bono?
Obama: “I will make it clear, we will hunt down terrorists, who threaten our country, where ever they are.”
… Except of course those who are members of my administration.
Shaun Wright!
If he does not resign forthwith, every CC in the UK should notify that they will henceforth ignore all directives and suggestions from all holders of the ludicrous office of “Police & Crime Commissioner” – a travesty of invigilation performed in the main by partisan political hacks appointed to politicize the police even more comprehensively.
Wrights evisceration
Alex Jones on 11th September takes apart Obama’s speech and his treasonous administration’s support with its NATO cronies for ISIL (aka ISIS, aka IS, aka Al Qaeda. aka The Muslim Brotherhood):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNvxOPcGj88
Fortunately, treason doth never prosper: what’s the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.
Alex Jones – 11 September – 2nd Hour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_3198247769&feature=iv&src_vid=tNvxOPcGj88&v=mDwY_g-O-FM
Alex Jones – 11 September – 3rd Hour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_1602081245&feature=iv&src_vid=mDwY_g-O-FM&v=Dpd8kWm8iGg
Alex Jones – 11 September – 4th Hour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_640204155&feature=iv&src_vid=Dpd8kWm8iGg&v=A38ZZuUZdvk
Clear Memories
September 11th, 2014 – 03:25
I think that Japan is the only country in the world that has a policy towards Islam that resembles what you advocate, though China may be quietly and prudently moving towards a similar policy.
In the west, the media and political establishments have brainwashed most of the rest of their populations to see nothing wrong with the gates of our civilisation (which ought to be closed against barbarians) being locked wide open to them. In Orwellian Newspeak and Doublethink, civilisation has become barbarism – and vice versa.
Britain and France both have nuclear armed capabilities. The prospect of them having Muslim majorities within not many decades hardly bears thinking about.
By the way, the 4th hour (above) includes a clip from July 25th 2001, in which the rather younger Mr. Jones anticipates that the government will stage a terrorist attack on the World Trade Center…..
Redneck September 11th, 2014 – 23:43
Dear All,
Just to clarify, literally millions of us up here are very proud to be British and never wanted any of this Independence nonsense.
This could go either way and that is the problem, Scotland will get independence if they vote yes but if it is a ‘no’ vote by a small margin then they will demand another go, and then another until eventually we will lose Scotland.
The Royal Bank of Scotland has said bit will quit Scotland in the event of a Yes vote.
Along with about half of the Scottish population, perhaps? Where will we site the refugee camps? How much will it cost to fortify Hadrian’s Wall? Will the last act of the nukes outfit in Faslane be to leave a medium-sized fizzer behind, concealed and primed, for when the Soviet Republic of Scotland starts to feel its feet?
BTW isn’t conspiracy to subvert HM United Kingdom of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Island a treasonable offence? If it still is, then I cite the co-conspirators as David Cameron and Alex Salmond! Off with their heads!
This is still on the statutes…
If any person whatsoever shall, within the United Kingdom or without, compass, imagine, invent, devise, or intend to deprive or depose our Most Gracious Lady the Queen, from the style, honour, or royal name of the imperial crown of the United Kingdom, or of any other of her Majesty’s dominions and countries, or to levy war against her Majesty, within any part of the United Kingdom, in order by force or constraint to compel her to change her measures or counsels, or in order to put any force or constraint upon or in order to intimidate or overawe both Houses or either House of Parliament, or to move or stir any foreigner or stranger with force to invade the United Kingdom or any other of her Majesty’s dominions or countries under the obeisance of her Majesty, and such compassings, imaginations, inventions, devices, or intentions, or any of them, shall express, utter, or declare, by publishing any printing or writing or by any overt act or deed, every person so offending shall be guilty of felony, and being convicted thereof shall be liable to be transported beyond the seas for the term or his or her natural life.
Peter – ‘beyond the seas’ : I vote for Somalia – or, if full, Nigeria.
My view is that if a migrant refuses to supply name and origin information then the Border Agency should be able to send them to any country they believe they might have originated from or have travelled through. I’d be happy to assume that all African illegal immigrants had come from Somalia.
Frank P
” Where will we site the refugee camps?”
The refugee camps should of course be sited along the border or at least within rocket range of Scottish towns and cities. The refugees should not be let out of the camps or be permitted to be assimilated into English society and general conditions in the camps should be kept deplorable in order to maintain among the refugees a high degree of bitterness, resentment, and lust for revenge.
Schools should be established to instil hatred of the Scottish regime in the children. Tunnels should be built under the border and used as outlets for terrorist raids by psyched-up refugees against the civil and military population of Scotland.
United Nations aid should be sought and a suitable mission statement should be drafted for a Scottish branch of UNWRA.
British universities should vote to boycott investment in Scotland until the refugees are allowed to establish a government in the Scottish capital
The refugees should not be permitted to build an independent, flourishing economy or to allow themselves to be assimilated into English society, but instead should be maintained by all parties as a bleeding sore on the border and a nice little earner in perpetuity for our political class, arms manufacturers, pontificators, and anyone else who wishes to stick his nose into British affairs.
The Church of England should pray for them from time to time.
English and Scottish arms manufacturers should, ideally, win the main contracts in this war in perpetuity, though American and Russian bidders must also be found a role.
Scotland deplorably seems to have less Bravehearts than Bleeding Hearts. Many Scots boycott Israeli universities and all Israeli cultural and commercial interests, and support the Moslem terrorists in any way possible. George Galloway, is naturally a Scot and reeks with the stench of racism. So it is rather hard or me to take an unbiased position in the current debate.
Anne Wotona Kaye 1
[There surely can’t be more than 1 AWK?]
You don’t have to be unbiased, Anne. You fervent bias is shared and welcomed.
Anne
Btw
Jonathan Foreman’s dream of Scottish secession just about sums up the whole sorry affair:
http://www.standpointmag.co.uk/online-only-dream-scottish-secession-jonathan-foreman-independence-referendum
Off with their heads!!
Peter from Maidstone
September 12th, 2014 – 11:58
Thank you for foraging for that useful piece of legislation. Citizens’ arrests, anyone?
I bags Salmond. Anne – you can handle that other rancid fish, Sturgeon; we could sell her roe at Harrods, after she’s hung, drawn and quartered – no! Hold on – that’s Qatari now, ennit?
Marks and Sparks Oxford Street, then, or Selfridges, beside the Salt Beef on Rye counter?
Or even Billingsgate, though I suspect that’s already under strict halal – and sharia law. Anyway once the caviare is extracted the rest of her dumpy scraps can be used for gefilte fish.
We’d better fly Verity back (and her cats) to feel Cameron’s collar, even though she’ll need special grip gloves for that oleaginous turd; the cats could be fed the scraps from the Sturgeon evisceratiion. You could give V. a hand with SamCam, too. She’s CMD’s commie puppeteer.
Better leave your missus at home, Peter, lest she get’s mistakenly scooped up in the foray. Mistakes can happen in exigencies. It’s called collateral damage.
… ahhhh! salt beef on rye sarnies. Seems an age since I enjoyed one of those. In fact last time I did so was in New York circa ’91, where of course it was called ‘corned beef on rye’.
Boot at his dripping venomous, sardonic best – addressing Vlad’s latest protestations about ‘international law’. I’m using my nexus tablet this minute so I can’t – or rather don’t know how to, cut ‘n’ paste the link. Just click on his name on the blogroll on the right margin > It’s his latest post.
Frank P September 12th, 2014 – 16:11
… ahhhh! salt beef on rye sarnies.
With red pickled cabbage.
Frank P
September 12th, 2014 – 16:08′
Definitely something fishy!
So…following a’yes’ vote, do we redefine Scotland as a “Phariarchy”/
It will be fun in Scotland, if they vote YES:
Big business warned of ‘day of reckoning’ if Scots vote Yes
Jim Sillars, Alex Salmond’s former mentor, says the nationalists will have their revenge by nationalising BP, breaking up the banks and boycotting John Lewis
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11091801/Big-business-warned-of-day-of-reckoning-if-Scots-vote-Yes.html
Sorry, it won’t be fun in Scotland. It will be fun in England, seeing what is happening in Scotland.
Salmond will be like Chavez, with the Venezuelan Army commandeering a toilet roll factory, because they were up to their necks in it!
Lets hope they come to their senses!
“He, [Mr Sillars,] said BP will have to “learn the meaning of nationalisation” and if it wants access to “monster fields” off Shetland “it will have to learn to bend the knee to a greater power – us, the sovereign people of Scotland.”
“We will be the masters of the oilfields, not BP or any other of the majors,” he said, warning Bob Dudley, its chief executive, that this was not “mere rhetoric”.”
Does this guy know how to fill up his car, let alone how to exploit an oil field under the sea, in deep water?
“Mr Sillars warned Scotland’s bankers their “casino days” were over and their businesses would be split between their retail and investment sections, adding: “If your greed takes the latter down, there will be no rescue.”
He should be telling that to the the other Scot, the BASTARD who sold of our gold at a knock down price.
The bankers were only doing as they were told, and one rewarded with a knighthood, by LABOUR, that had to be returned!
This could mean that Standard Life move to England anyway:
“New employment laws will force Standard Life to give two years’ warning on redundancies, he said, meaning it could not follow through its plans to move savings, pensions and investment business to England.”
Why take the risk of staying in Scotland? It’s going to be full of windmills anyway!
RobertC – 19:15
With Scotland threatening to nationalise their bit of BP, it would help Orkney and Shetland decide whether to be Scottish or become, like the Isle of Man, a self-governing possession of the Crown.
At last, we are seeing the venom of the Scottish Nationalists. From the Home Counties, it looks like a Brian Rix farce – even if I cannot always understand what they are saying!
The Hungarian, László Andor, who is the EU Commissioner for employment, said mass migration from eastern Europe was good for British workers and the Government.
EU tells Britain to stop moaning about immigrants and start building them houses instead
* Laszlo Andor said foreigners pay more in tax than they get in benefits
* Hungarian official said answer to strain on services was more investment
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2753677/EU-tells-Britain-stop-moaning-immigrants-putting-strain-schools-housing-healthcare-start-building-places-live.html
Haven’t we enough political w*nkers without have the Euro-version telling how to run our lives?
robert c
its almost as if the eurowankers want the UK to leave the EU. Dont they realise that spouting bollocks like that just drives a few more voters to UKIP
just read the comments under the article.
Alexsandr – 20:22
Yes, it is amazing!
The problem that they all have with Farage is that his explanation for why Scotland’s wish to be part of the EU is so silly is that it can be applied to the UK as a whole just as well!
That is why it is so tragic.
They have all played their part to bring about their own demise.
Is the reason that only Scotland is voting because then it will be Scotland leaving the EU bound rUK and not both left outside the EU, if the split occurs?
Frank P
September 12th, 2014 – 16:41
I think for the English taste Mr. Boot rather overdoes the venom. Irony and,even more so, sarcasm are best administered in droplets.
On the main, and perhaps only, point in Mr. Boot’s article,whose writing in general I enjoy, I am not sure that anyone has held up Mr. Putin’s administration as a paragon in matters of international law. By the same token, one understands from long and close study of history that the CIA, MI6, EU, and UN have no dark cellars in which Russophobia can be hatched, or even plans for territorial and economic aggrandisement developed.
Where Mr. Boot may lose a reader or two is in holding up condemnation of Russia by the United Nations General Assembly, albeit by vote 100 to 11, as a decision of blindfolded Justice with sword and scales. Was this the case when the General Assembly adopted Resolution 3379 on November 10, 1975 by a vote of 72 to 35 (with 32 abstentions) which “determine[d] that Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination”.
Most of us can quickly brush away the spectre of Russian tank divisions rolling over Flanders field – unless perhaps sufficiently provoked by American and other NATO troops conducting the military exercises to begin in western Ukraine next Monday. What should be of greater concern than Russia’s long history of cavalier treatment of international law when opportune is the new phenomenon of the dismantling of the rule of law by the present administration of the United States of America:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/12/fein-obama-dethrones-rule-law/
The controlled demolition of the rule of law in the USA encourages a lawless president to engage in adventures on behalf of narrow interests where his military power is already deployed – in the Middle East, the Pacific, and central Europe.
RobertC
September 12th, 2014 – 20:03
From the Wikipedia entry for Mr. Andor, it looks like another politician who has never had a proper job:
“László Andor (born 3 June 1966 in Zalaegerszeg) is a Hungarian economist. He is Commissioner for Employment, Social Affairs and Inclusion in the Barroso II administration of the European Commission.[1] From 2005 until 2010 he was a Member of the Board of Directors of the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (EBRD), representing the Czech Republic, Croatia, Hungary and Slovakia.[2][3]
He studied economics at the Corvinus University of Budapest (then the Karl Marx University), and later became associate professor of economic policy at the same institution. He also studied at the George Washington University in Washington, D.C. and in 1993 earned a master’s degree in development economics at the University of Manchester. Since 1993 he has been editor of a progressive (leftist) Hungarian quarterly social science journal, Eszmélet (Consciousness). Since 2003 he has been a Member of the Board of the Economic Section of the Hungarian Socialist Party.
He was once appointed Acting Commissioner for Consumer Protection in Neven Mimica’s stead, from 19 April 2014 – 25 May 2014 while he was on electoral campaign leave for the 2014 elections to the European Parliament.[4] He ultimately decided to not take up his seat.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2754158/Don-t-make-parents-foreigners-children-In-emotional-plea-MICHAEL-GOVE-says-Scottish-moral-values-learned-boy-Aberdeen-make-Britain-great.html
Nigel Farage’s Glasgow speech – starts about 2 hours in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTPFH4akxZE
Ruth Dudley Edwards is generally OK on Ireland and I think she’s got this about right:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ruthdudleyedwards/100286257/ian-paisley-is-dead-the-old-hypocrite/
Seems that “Don’t speak ill of the dead” is a bit passé these days…there seems to be a queue of people wishing to do so. Does this mean the moratorium on skeletons falling out of the closet is now over?
Shaun Wright (PPC;Sth.Yorks.) complains of being visited daily by the EDL. Article below with readers comments and link to petition for his resignation.
http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/crime/edl-visit-south-yorkshire-crime-commissioner-s-home-1-6835616
Can somebody please explain to me how the legal system works in Britain? A boy is arrested as suspected of causing arson at a dog’s home, in which more than 60 poor dogs were burned to death. One can only imagine the horrific trauma the survivors are suffering. The suspected 15 year old is granted bail. Compare this with the case of the parents of the child with a brain tumour. They were hounded over Europe and placed in prison with criminals, whilst their son was deprived of their presence.
Rotherham:1,200 demonstrators expected at EDL march in Rotherham today.
http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/crime/police-gear-up-for-edl-demo-in- rotherham-today-1-6839278
RE ABOVE:
http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/crime/police-gear-up-for-edl-demo-in-rotherham-today-1-6839278
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/12/Gove-Three-Main-Parties-Should-Unite-Against-UKIP
I thought they already had. !!!
A Labour spokesan responded to Gove’s declaration by saying: “No Labour voter is going to be fooled. They know the truth about David Cameron and Michael Gove is that they have put a privileged few before hardworking families,” while a Liberal Democrat spokesman said mockingly: “A choice of Michael Gove or Ukip, for Lib Dems, is like choosing which eye to be poked in.”
Worth reading it all ,but the comment above amused me.
One for my fellow northerner David Ossitt, proving that Lancastrians, having the ability to laugh at themselves, are the superior county men. 😉
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152717600749853&set=vb.727734852&type=2&theater
Aye, but Lancastrians all have webbed feet on account of all the rain.
AWK1 – 11:20
Part of the problem was that a EAW was issued, probably overstepping the mark as there was no evidence of a problem, only uncertainty, but then the legal machinery ground on and on, with apparently no discussion between the parties.
But that has always been the problem with the EAW.
RobertC@September 13th, 2014 – 14:47
it actually showed what a dreadful device the EAW is. When it was brought in it was supposed to stop organised crime and terrorism That it was used for the parents of this poor boy just shows that proper safeguards were not enacted.
more crap law from the EU.
Which side is Jim Sears on?
If he is going to be around after a YES vote, we will need to be sending food parcels across the border – except that we won’t be bothered.
We won’t be swayed by the bankers, says Yes vote camp
Voters will not be blackmailed by bankers who caused the financial crisis, say Scottish nationalists
Jim Sillars, the former deputy leader of the SNP, accused financial institutions of trying to intimidate voters into rejecting a Yes vote.
He said: “The bankers really have a brass neck telling us that if five million people exercise their democratic right to decide they are going to be independent it will cause something like a major recession.
“They are the same people who caused the major recession, the worst since the 1930s and the working class people I come from in Scotland are paying a very high price for their catastrophe.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/11094072/We-wont-be-swayed-by-the-bankers-says-Yes-vote-camp.html
It’s who owes the the money. If you don’t owe money, you are your own man, but if you owe bankers, or anyone, the situation is somewhat different!
Jim does sound like a Socialist, so the risk in voting YES does seem to be more of a certainty!
RobertC
September 13th, 2014 – 14:47
Thanks ,Robert, Oh how Hitler would have loved the EU. Seems like it was created by his disciples.
James Forsyth has an article in The Spectator about how Scottish Unionism lost the plot:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnists/politics/9310982/the-unionists-have-been-too-afraid-to-make-a-proper-case/
Funniest comment in the Comments section:
Spectre
“[Quoting James Forsyth] ‘We also need to be prepared to talk more directly about what Britishness means.’
“But you people don’t like the answer.”
Indeed.
Melanie Phillips tried to make a similar point earlier in the week.
I understand there are only 6 million voters in Scotland?
This video ‘The BBC is Killing Democracy’ has only been up two days and got more than 56,000 hits on low definition, 10,000 plus on HD version and more than 320 on a shorter version, where only Nick Robinson’s first smear is shown and the excerpt from the BBC 6 O’clock New Bulletin isn’t yet in the footage. If most of those viewings are Scottish YouTube watchers, that’s a lot of Scottish electorate. I wonder what they will make of Mr Robinson.
It is a dress rehearsal for the kind of smears UKIP can expect if it ever gets a referendum to leave the European Union:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EMLOTsimSs
The shorter version of that video, presumably put online before the even more deceitful edits in later BBC news bulletins, is called “Ultimate Smackdown” and now has more than 360,000 views.
Our BBC friend Nick Robinson is quite the viral superstar!
I wonder if he’ll swing it for Yes?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHmLb-RIbrM
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/09/londons-devious-plans-for-scotlands-independence-referendum-wayne-madsen-3026508.html
[QUOTE]
There are credible reports that the British government, which includes the Conservative and Liberal Democratic parties, as well as the Labor opposition, have colluded with the British media to downplay in articles, news broadcasts, and published opinion polls the actual strength of the pro-independence “Yes” campaign in Scotland.
On September 18, Scotland will vote in a referendum on whether or not to seek independence from the United Kingdom, and thus end Scotland’s 307-year old parliamentary union with England.
The hyped news reports, including “news” about a looming terrorist threat and a new royal baby on the way, as well as skewed polling numbers, are preparing Scotland for a razor-thin loss for the pro-independence “Yes” vote in an “engineered” election result for which Americans and others have become all-too-familiar.
For example, a few months ago, the British government instructed the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) in a confidential document to undermine at every opportunity the Yes vote, especially when interviewing Scottish voters. There is a strong belief that other British networks and newspapers, including Rupert Murdoch’s Sky News and the Times of London, received the same instruction and obediently carried it out.
In fact, ground reports reveal the actual “Yes” for independence vote is leading the “No” vote by a full 11 percentage points.
That means the actual number of Scots who will be voting in Scotland and who are now doing so abroad via postal vote, is in the absolute majority range of 60 percent.
However, the British government will argue that, with a razor-thin loss for the Yes campaign, that the pro- independence side lacked an absolute majority in any event.
[END QUOTE]
That would be interesting.
Incidentally (from the same article) the notoriety of the Lib Dems has not escaped Americans. One parapgraph in that piece begins:
‘Another gambit being carried out by the Liberal Democrats, which are neither “liberal” nor very “democratic”.’
Isn’t it funny how everyone sees through the Limp Dims.
More Russian ‘aid’ has gone into Ukraine. I don’t care.
But why did the media whip up a frenzy about it last time and not this time?
Because Big Media is a noise weapon. You just turn the volume up to try to whip the crowd into backing this war or that war or this campaign or that campaign.
And this week, there was a need to whip up feelings closer to home.
I wonder how many in Scotland want independence because of this sort of thing in England.
The article is called:
“Meet England’s top law enforcement executives”
http://irishsavant.blogspot.com/2014/09/englands-top-law-enforcement-executives.html
I cannot believe that some Scottish Yes voters are not voting Yes because to stick with the status quo means more of this for them.
Apparently, this is the greatest political union the world has ever seen.
Reading that article, “Meet England’s top law enforcement executives”, I mean, who could disagree?
More multiculturalism anyone?
It is the one question that cannot be polled of Scots.
And who would answer truthfully with the Thought Police watching?
‘Are you voting for independence on the sly in the hope you can evade mass immigration by voting out anyone who lets it carry on at the rate it has?’
People the UK over talk about this every day of the week.
So why would it not be a key consideration for voters?
Jackie, Scotland is committed to more immigration not less. And I am doubtful that the majority of Scots want independence, I certainly don’t think the poll is rigged beyond the violent campaign of the SNP. The Thought Police in Scottish terms are the Yes campaign. That is why people are choosing not to display No posters. They don’t want a brick through their window.
James Forsyth’s Spectator article about ‘how Scottish Unionism lost the plot’ does not seem to deal with the biggest contradictions in the Better Together campaign.
Simon Jenkins, who does not want independence for Scotland, sums up better where Better Together has gone wrong:
‘The truth is that Scotland after an independence negotiation would not really “go”.
‘Deals would be done such that, for ordinary people, life would be much as before, north and south of the border.
‘Political pride might be hurt but such pride comes before a yawn.
‘The United Kingdom is currently in the grip of constitutional panic.
‘Even after thousands of Scots have voted by post in their independence referendum, David Cameron, Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband are hurling bribes northwards to secure a No vote.
‘For six months they threatened Scotland with fire, plague and the sword under “project fear”.
‘They “warned” the Scots that their pensions and benefits would go, their borders would be manned, their defences would collapse and terrorists would proliferate.
‘Now all is love-bombing, sweetness and light.
‘The Scots can have all the money and power they want, if they will promise to love England.
‘Subsidies will flow.
‘Above all, the Scots will be offered unspecified extra powers.
‘Edinburgh can even fix its own income tax and — who knows? — perhaps its corporation tax and other imposts.
‘If I were the Scots I would not trust a word of it.
‘I recall the Arab warrior who invited his enemies to a peace banquet and then roasted them on a spit.
‘Yet the fiscal cat is out of the bag.
‘The Treasury first opposed devolution as a risk to financial stability. It then opposed “further devolution” of tax-raising powers.
‘For the time being it has clearly been overruled by the party leaders.
‘Panic is the mother of necessity.
‘A nation of just 5.3 million people is to be promised powers that have never before been delegated within the United Kingdom.’
http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/simon-jenkins-if-the-scots-can-get-taxraising-powers-so-should-london-9720747.html
I’m guessing it’s the SNP that is committed to more immigration?
Not Scotland?
I doubt the SNP or anyone else would remain in power long in an independent Scotland if the rate of immigration continues as it has?
All I hear from Scottish people are complaints about mass immigration. It doesn’t seem that popular up there.
I’m guessing a lot of Scottish people would like to vote out pro-mass immigration parties, which would be a lot easier to do under independence from Westminster?
I have no idea how on earth that YouTube video ‘Ultimate smackdown’ is being circulated, but it had 320,000 plus when I first saw it earlier today.
It now has 380,000 plus.
If it carries on at that rate, it might reach 1 million views.
A piece of staged anti-independence propaganda cooked up for a 24 hour news channel few people watch will have been seen by a number equivalent to about one fifth of the Scottish electorate.
That’s not including all the other versions of the same video, some with longer sections exposing Nick Robinson’s later propaganda-casts.
For Mr Robinson’s sake, I hope they’re not all Scottish viewers, because if they do vote Yes, that Robinson videotape is going to get him and the BBC even more negative publicity than it already has.
Now that the Annual Police Riot & Day-out with Overtime at Stonehenge on Mid-summer’s Day has been abolished,police must be grateful for the continuing opportunities being offered to them by the EDL’s demonstrations with are over-policed by hysterical authorities.That in Rotherham today drew police from as-far-a-field as Devon and Cornwall.Although four people were arrested,they seem not to be directly related to the demonstration.
http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/crime/slideshow-missiles-hurled-at-police-and-four-arrested-at-edl-demo-in-rotherham-1-6839499
Jackie, Scots are in favour of socialism and the EU. They are not likely to do much more than moan about immigrants since they have consistently voted for parties that positively endorse immigration. If the Scots were against immigration why have they voted for the SNP and Labour?
I note, Radford NG, that all negative multi-culti stories have been pulled this week by the MSM.
This week, they wanted to pretend the UK was the New Jerusalem and there was no need to think of leaving to save your own hide and save your children from mass rape.
Leaving aside Scotland for one moment, won’t England get a chance to stop the rot if Scotland gets independence?
This Commenter on the James Forsyth article says:
English Majority [QUOTE]:
“Something about the whole thing has caught my attention:
“It turns out Westminster and the Establishment are 50% composed of Scottish men.
“It’s no fuc*ing wonder we English are suffering, dying, in misery, poverty, darkness and pain. Its no wonder the consistent demands of the English people are viciously ignored.
2Not only do we, sadistically, have Muslim and black immigrants in positions of high power, we also have a government and political class that seems to be massively over-represented by Scots.
“There’s barely ANY English people ‘running’ England. Which is why we’re collapsing in filth.”
http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnists/politics/9310982/the-unionists-have-been-too-afraid-to-make-a-proper-case/
[END QUOTE]
It is true that many Scottish Left-wingers, SNP, Labour in Scotland and Labour in England have engineered and still want to engineer more mass immigration, but surely if they can no longer do this by proxy by having Scottish Left-wingers sit in an English parliament, this would be easier to stop?
If Scotland gets independence, for how long would those Scottish Left-wingers get away with more mass immigration in Scotland?
The proxy of ‘it’s Westminser’s fault’ would have gone.
In England, the proxy of ‘it’s the fault of the Scottish MPs in the English parliament’ would have gone.
All I can say Peter is that the Scots I know are not in favour of socialism and the EU.
Those Scots that I know that have voted SNP have done so to get themselves past the first hurdle: getting power back into Scotland and in the hands of the electorate.
Then they can pursue what they really want.
They have been tactical voters.
This referendum campaign reminds me exactly of what UKIP had to deal with in the European elections.
Let me recall this old Peter Hitchens’ column from the heat of the Euro elections campaign when the smears rained down on UKIP day after day, hour after hour:
[QUOTE]:
Have you noticed how the BBC discusses UKIP as if it is a problem rather than a legitimate party?
Have you observed the pathetic attempts of Tory spin-doctors (who can think of nothing to say in favour of their own organisation) to smear UKIP from morn till night?
Have you also noticed the slavish obedience of political journalists, who have spent the past ten years ignoring the biggest issues in British politics – the EU and immigration – but now recycle these trivial slanders in the hope that they can save the old, dying parties which have spoon-fed them all their stories?
This sort of ganging up has not worked on the Scots, who understandably grow fonder of independence with every stupid threat and falsehood.
I have a feeling it’s not going to work on the English either – and in case you hadn’t noticed by now, Nigel Farage is in fact England’s answer to Alex Salmond.
[END QUOTE]
Nigel Farage would no doubt hate being called that. And Alex Salmond would also hate the comparison with Mr Farage.
I think it’s perfectly true though.
That last observation by Hitchens brings me back to your point: why vote for Salmond if you don’t believe in all his policies, including mass immigration?
The English supporters of UKIP I speak to and the Scots supporters of the SNP I speak to don’t buy into everything those parties espouse (despite the Daily Mail’s constant attempts to draw attention to anything and everything ever said by potential UKIP candidates).
What they see in both politicians (even if Salmond and Farage cannot see it themselves) is: We’re trapped. We need a way out. What’s the first step? Getting our hands back on the levers of devolved power.
Or to put it as Hitchens does: “in case you hadn’t noticed by now, Nigel Farage is in fact England’s answer to Alex Salmond”.
Don’t people just want out of the centralised control first, where they can do nothing and then they can start sorting out what they really want?
Julie, you are entirely deceived if you believe that the SNP is anything like UKIP. It is a hardcore socialist organisation. No one could mistake it for anything else. It is rather offensive even, to suggest that Farage and Salmond have anything in common. Salmond wishes Scotland to be a member of the EU and subject to EU immigration. And to be honest I have never heard a Scot complain about immigration, apart from that of English people. And I meet a lot of Scots.
Scots are not tactical voters. They are rather stupid and romantic and very attached to the benefit system, they also have a massive chip on their shoulder.
To use Simon Jenkins’ phrase, it isn’t just the fiscal cat that is out of the bag.
Dan Hodges on what else has been let out of the bag:
[QUOTE]
‘Under this proposal [Gordon Brown’s promise if there is a No vote], the Scots would enjoy control over their own domestic policy.
‘But the English, and very possibly the Welsh too, would have to be given the same rights.
‘That would mean Scottish and even Welsh MPs being excluded from voting on English issues.
‘Under this new constitutional arrangement Labour could still theoretically “form a government” in the classic sense.
‘But in practice it would mean Labour would not have a parliamentary majority for the passage of domestic English legislation.’
[END QUOTE]
Will Brown keep this promise?
Will Cameron?
If they don’t, the English electorate will be even more angry than it is now.
Back to Hodges [QUOTE]:
‘The new Federal Union is, we have been told, going to be fast-tracked.
‘Gordon Brown made it a key selling point of the proposal. A draft bill would be published in the new year, he said.
‘And it’s inconceivable that bill would simply involve the transfer of new powers to the people of Scotland without offering similar constitutional arrangements to other people in the Union.’
Even if there is a No vote, in their panic Labour have smashed the axe into the Establishment’s foot.
If all that Brown promised happens, England is free of Labour’s Scottish Raj.
I cannot belive Labour or Cameron will follow through on this promise.
The voters in England, Scotland and Wales would use it to scythe down LibLabCon.
I would say that voters in England, Scotland and Wales should celebrate now.
It’s a bit like the famous World Cup footage: ‘Some of the fans are on the pitch. They think it’s all over…’
If that promise is made flesh, it is over.
The voters will make LibLabCon dogmeat.
And not a moment too soon.
And if they don’t deliver on that promise to England?
LibLabCon will be made dogmeat again. If the electorate didn’t think them liars before, then it can only get worse.
This is checkmate for LibLabCon.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100286169/ed-miliband-and-gordon-brown-havent-saved-the-union-but-they-may-have-killed-the-labour-party/
Radford NG @ 20:13
From your link to The Star:
“There was speculation among the masses that the flashpoint involved EDL supporters and members of a rival group.”
‘There was speculation among the masses..’. Not often you see a sentence like in today’s newspapers! A vivid turn of phrase though – I can almost see and hear the vast crowd of common folk standing on the sidelines speculating and gesticulating…
AWK 1 12th Sept 14:58
Dear Anne,
I don’t mean to be disrespectful but I feel dreadfully misrepresented by your comment: there is a small, selected subsection of the population up here who might support Muslim policies and abhor those of Israel but that is not representative of the vast majority of Britons north of Hadrian’s Wall.
We know the true enemies, George Galloway is absolutely not Scottish.
PfM Sept 13th 21:25
Dear PfM,
“Scots are not tactical voters. They are rather stupid and romantic and very attached to the benefit system, they also have a massive chip on their shoulder.”
Sadly, you are right for an unfortunately large proportion of the populace here but you’re wrong for the majority: we are British, proud to be so and abhor the number of our fellow Britons languishing on a benefits system designed to cause the West to crumble.
Who do you & AWK think are behind this plan to crush the Christian west with a ridiculous benefits / dependency culture? Cui bono?
Jackie Sept 13th 22:13
Valid points indeed.
In the event of a “No” vote, the ridiculous Scottish Parliament should be dissolved and no region of the UK should be treated any different from any other.
It is completely wrong to offer them any benefits of this Independence joke: do not reward bullies.
Redneck
September 13th, 2014 – 22:57
I hope you are correct about the sentiments of the majority of Scots, because very unfortunately the minority appear to have a lot of clout. Just witness the boycotting by the universities and other large institutions. Naturally I do not speak for PfM, but I believe socialists deliberately used and use the benefits system to bribe Moslem supporters. PC policies shut eyes to the abuse of British boys and girls, and also to the corruption of Moslem officials, and British police, judges and government officials in their control.
Lord help us! The BBC has the following headline on its web, “Islamic State: Can its savagery be explained?” This after news coming in, together with a video that UK hostage, David Haines has been beheaded. About time that the message can be got across that Islam is an evil cult, no more a religion than witchcraft or vampirism is.
16th and 17th Century recipe for leg of mutton (h/t Samuel Pepys)
http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclopedia/1740/
What are Wallsters having for Sunday lunch?
Redneck
September 13th, 2014 – 22:57
“Who do you & AWK think are behind this plan to crush the Christian west with a ridiculous benefits / dependency culture? Cui bono?”
This is as good a place as any to start:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-13/financial-globalist-impose-monetary-hegemony
Commentator messymerry the says below the article:
“Name names or be labelled a crank and fear monger.
If you can’t tell us who you are talking about, then you are just click bait.”
To which the writer of the article, Bruno de Landevoisin, happily replies:
“Here you go bub:
http://zirpqe.wordpress.com/2014/08/16/the-bank-for-international-settle…
with specific names and all…………”.
The Bank for International Settlement and associated banksters are some of the usual suspects. I have often felt that the bad guys are a lot more difficult to identify today than in the past, and they make something of a fetish, for their own continued liberty of course, of keeping out of view as far as possible. We need to list them and keep the list up to date so that we can keep them in our sights.
Frontpage Mag does a good job of identifying the networks and agendas of the political Left at http://discoverthenetworks.org/.
As de Landevoisin says in his opening paragraph, “Any discerning student of current world affairs can no longer deny the overwhelming and inordinate influence the upper echelons of the global financial hierarchy now have on all aspects of universal political and economic life”.
sibimet bonus.
Redneck, I think that all socialist and social-democratic politicians (that is unfortunately most politicians), and all of their dependent layers of social-democratic government and public service, benefit from a servile population. We are essentially seeing a return to feudalism and the enslavement of the British people – even if it is willing. Those who are dependent on masters who can give and withhold benefit are slaves. They have a feudal relationship with their masters. And this same feudal relationship of patronage goes all the way up the greasy pole of public service management.
But the British people have themselves sold their birthright for a mess of pottage. I remember being shocked at the Virgin Money advert for their credit card which said openly, “Why wait, have it all now”. This has always been the anti-Christian message of an atheist materialism (I am not criticising atheism in this case, but the materialistic view which says that this is all there is so get what you can for yourself now and damn the consequences on others).
A large proportion of people have been willing to settle for a fairly comfortable existence at other’s expense. And this suits those with a more complex agenda and who want power and prestige as well as a regular income for no work.
Responsibility, self-sufficiency, community spirit, independence. These are anathema to the servile class and to the feudal lords of welfare, as they expose and undermine the faustian pact that these two classes have made.
What do we threaten the Scots with next? Exploding haggises?
By Peter Hitchens
Actually if I were Scottish, I would be voting ‘Yes’ just to spite all the people who are trying to frighten and browbeat me into voting ‘No’. Anyone with any spirit must surely feel this way.
If ever we do get the much-promised vote on EU membership, the anti-British side will use just the same tricks and smears to scare us into staying in this miserable liberal German empire. I only hope that, if so, we will have the backbone to ignore them and vote for our independence.
Listen to it – the poor Scots are threatened with currency collapse, bankruptcy, irrelevance and isolation. There’ll even be a frontier, doubtless with barking dogs, searchlights and minefields planted with exploding haggises.
Well, what do you think we’re all going to get if we stay in the EU? The real scare story is that 40 years of EU membership and wild overspending have brought the whole UK to ruin.
The current strength of sterling is an absurdity and can’t last. George Osborne’s boom is the most irresponsible bubble since the 1970s, based entirely on ludicrously cheap housing credit.
Roughly half the containers that leave our main port at Felixstowe contain nothing but air, and quite a few of the rest are crammed with rubbish for recycling, because our real export trade has collapsed, much of it throttled by EU membership.
The incoming containers are full, of course, of cars, clothes, gadgets and food – but how are we to pay for them?
As usual, the biggest story of the week was buried – the rise in our monthly trade deficit during July to £3.3 billion. That includes the famous ‘services’ which are supposed to make up for the fact that we don’t manufacture much any more.
It is impossible to see how we can live so far beyond our means for much longer. Both Government and people are deeper in debt than ever.
So forgive me if I point out that it’s quite scary enough staying in the UK. The trouble with the ‘Better Together’ lot is that scares are all they’ve got.
None of the three party leaders – supposedly rivals, actually accomplices – truly loves the Union.
They all view it as an outdated, conservative idea and they much prefer the glinting Teutonic rule of Brussels and Berlin.
They’ve been working night and day for decades to destroy British patriotism, culture and history, and replace them with a tasteless, pasteurised multiculturalism.
Who can blame the Scots for wanting to stay Scottish rather than be processed into the same greyish puree?
But David Cameron and Nick Clegg both correctly fear a ‘Yes’ vote will cost them their jobs, which they should by rights have lost after their dire results in the Euro elections in May.
And Ed Miliband fears that a ‘Yes’ vote will destroy his party’s chances of ever winning a Westminster majority. That’s all they’re fighting for – themselves.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2755007/PETER-HITCHENS-What-threaten-Scots-Exploding-haggises.html
In the same column, Hitchens adds this commentary:
[QUOTE]
Having got used to the idea that Scotland may say goodbye, I’ve been thinking about possible good consequences. Setting aside the puncturing of David Cameron, one of the most over-rated figures ever to become Premier, there’s the strong possibility that, without Scotland, we will actually leave the EU.
I don’t presume to speak for the Welsh, but I am quite confident that England on her own can, if she wishes, be a happy and successful civilisation. In fact it might do us no end of good to rediscover ourselves.
But one thing we must stop doing – in fact it would be a good idea to stop it now. A nation that has trouble keeping itself together has no business bombing other nations or peoples to try to force them to do our will.
[END QUOTE]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2755007/PETER-HITCHENS-What-threaten-Scots-Exploding-haggises.html
Exactly.
If that block vote of Scottish MPs in Westminster goes, the English electorate, neutered since the Second World War will have power and the fury and the rage they are in, they will use the ballot box like a wrecking ball.
LibLabCon will only be the first thing they smash to pieces with their votes.
Then for the EU.
The “Ultimate smackdown” of the BBC on YouTube now has in excess of 410,000 views and there are other versions of the same videotape on YouTube with at least 50,000 views.
If they get the Yes, a lot of people in Scotland will be sending Nick Robinson flowers and chocolates!
Malfleur
Thank you: this chap de Landevoisin seems to be onto something.
Really nice to see our own Mr Carney on that list?
Jackie – 09:40
It might well be “quite scary enough staying in the UK”, and we have been on the slide since 1945, but the rot really took hold in 1997, and who did we have in Downing Street?
It was Blair, Brown and Darling, aided by Lord Irvine (Lord Chancellor), David Clark (Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster and Cabinet Office Minister), Robin Cook, George Robertson (Defence, and of Dunblane fame), Donald Dewar, Gavin Strang, John Reid, David Clark, Helen Liddell, Charles Falconer(Lord Chancellor), Douglas Alexander, Des Browne and Ian McCartney!
All Scottish, but I think the Jim Sears’ of this world will soon take over, if there is a YES vote. That is beyond scary!
Blair and Brown set the scene, and that other Scot, Cameron, hasn’t changed anything.
Yes, most ordinary, thinking people are fed up with the Westminster lot, and Salmond has played his hand very skillfully, but that is not the same as having a good understanding of what people need to be able to work hard, and be rewarded.
Scotland will be like Venezuela, but without the oil! Chavez was skillful, but look at their demize. Oil workers do NOT like being told how to run their industry. They want to be told the rules, so they can plan and get on with it.
Salmond thinks that by not planning anything, he will always get the best deal, and one over on the English, which is what has happened in the past.
Staying together doesn’t mean that the UK would automatically do any better with the lot we have now, but a split will result in chaos, trying to work out state pensions, the NHS funding and even athlete training for the Olympics, or England will be left to pick up the tab, just as parents with drug addicted children sometimes have to do, and I don’t think the English will like it. They might even do something about it. If England is living beyond its means, heaven help Scotland, with it 88% taking more out of the state than putting in.
I don’t know why Cameron rejected Devo-Max. I don’t know all the details, but if E, W, S & NI were treated in a similar fashion, what would be the problem?
The guy is extremely mis-informed:
CMD: ‘Isil are not Muslims, they are monsters’
Frarage in his Glasgow speech makes the most convincing argument for a ‘no’ vote. Scottish “independence” would mean leaving the Union and joining the European Union. Not a good bargain. Or if Scotland were independent outside the EU, how quickly she would become prey to the globalists by other means! The best best is to preserve the Union and all of us together try to leave the EU – that will bring us all trouble enough from the forces who would keep us in.
Can the Scots be trusted to take the most rational course? Well, in 1647 they sold their own King to Parliament in London for £400,000…
Jackie@September 14th, 2014 – 09:40
Hoitchens is wrong. We do manufacture and export. But the stuff we make is high value, not cheap mass produced stuff we import. Thus the empty containers.
Manufacturing employment is down because manufacturing is not labour intensive like it was when i left school.
We are exporting intellectual property, not stuff now.
And we are especially good at computer software, including but not exclusively games.
A good overview from Andrew Gilligan:
Scottish independence: ‘Yes campaign every bit as dodgy as Iraq dossier’
Scotland is being led over a cliff by a dossier every bit as dodgy as the one that took Britain into Iraq a decade ago
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11094601/Scottish-independence-Yes-campaign-every-bit-as-dodgy-as-Iraq-dossier.html
Another Englishman got beheaded yesterday. Talk about stiff upper lips. The streets here in London are filled with Moslems unafraid of being attacked, and arrogantly they swagger with their veiled sows and piglets. Stiff upper lips? The native English are stiff from the feet up!
Alexandr- Regrettably, No., Peter Hitchens is right.
The UK is living in a fool’s paradise of ever increasing debt and is unable to pay its way:-
This is to be found on p.210 . Britain had a deficit in trade in goods of £98.46 billion in 2010. The biggest single deficit is on ‘finished manufactured goods’ £59.8 billion. ‘In not one of the categories of finished goods does the United Kingdom achieve a surplus’.
So, we’re told, we can manage on services. Well, we have surplus on services o £58.77 billion, plus other invisibles taking us up to £81.81 billion . This still falls a long way short of the £98.46 billion needed to pay our manufacturing import bills.
The authors jeer at those who claim that these figures are just accounting, and have no major significance.
‘The balance of payments, you may hear, is one of yesterday’s worries, along with “latchkey children” , sex before marriage and the decline in hat wearing. The “trade gap” belongs with the generation gap in the lumber-room of recent history.’
They snort :’ We could not agree less. The current account is perhaps the most acute index of a nation’s economic prowess, measuring as it does the extent to which a country relies, or does not rely, on other people’s money to fund its standard of living.’
And to worry you unduly, I will finish these quotations at page 242, where they point out that the personal debt crisis is only in abeyance because lenders are scared to pursue their money, lest they trigger a general collapse in house prices which destroys all hope of getting their money back. One in eight mortgages is only kept going because the lenders have ‘extended and pretended’ rather than foreclosing as they certainly would in the USA…”
The blog is worth reading in full, as is the book to which he refers, “Going South”.
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2012/07/going-south-britain-joins-the-third-world-.html
Let’s ignore the bullshit on Scotland and follow what the bookies say.
‘Yes’ 3/1
‘No’ 1/3
When money talks – bullshit walks!
The only thing I’d say about bookies’ odds on political events (a very small percentage of income compared with sport) is this, the people who draw them up know they can be used – like opinion polls – to try to influence the outcome.
Gambling companies would have a big problem with an independent Scotland because it would mean a whole new set of regulations and a whole new set of lobbying.
They don’t need that. LibLabCon are bought and paid for.
Why add to the bill?
The bookies have a vested interest in this one.
Moreover, the first government of an independent Scotland is likely to be led by the SNP. They are not likely to give a warm reception to the modern trend for a bookies every five yards in the poorest areas.
Today’s Telegraph poll is interesting because it puts Yes ahead, but without counting the Don’t Knows.
For some reason, this very professional pollster outfit stopped at a headcount of 700. Why?
Why did a professional polling outfit not do the full sample of 1,000?
Did they not like the answer they were getting?
And what about the Don’t Knows?
Polls are framed for those who pay for them. We all know YouGov’s Peter Kellner’s tricks (husband of the Queen of Europe Baroness Ashton).
Kellner and Ashton are LibLabCon Establishment up to their ears.
They won’t want a Yes vote.
This is quite an interesting post on the Telegraph’s poll, written by a former marketer who knows how polls and poll analysis can be manipulated:
http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2014/09/14/scottish-indyref-icm-puts-yes-vote-ahead-by-seven-points-without-removing-the-dont-knows/
This was a poll totally ignored last week.
http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2014/09/10/scotsvote-breaking-big-westminster-three-race-to-rescue-yes-lead-doubles-to-eight-points/
The other thing I note is that many people speculate that George Osborne’s (cough) ‘recovery’ has been timed too early for the General Election.
Far from it. That piece of fiction seems to have been deliberately contrived by the MSM to have been all over the front pages for 2014 in the run-up to this referendum. That’s why they started that propaganda narrative so early.
And as for events of the past fortnight – when all the multi-culti stories have more or less disappeared from the newspapers (they seem to want to pretend the Union is mainly white indigenes living in harmony) – the LibLabCon grovelling all seems to have happened after the postal votes had started arriving.
I wonder what trend was spotted in those postal votes?
Because it is after those would have started arriving at the counting offices that the panic among LibLabCon broke loose.
Someone has almost a million on a No. I’ll bet he’s watching the telly closely next Thursday:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/punter-bets-800000-on-no-vote.25204957
Frank P points out something important. Indeed a quick look at 10 different bookies shows them all giving No a clear victory.
Jackie, I don’t think you are really plugged in to UK culture. What Government of Scotland would try to shut down bookies in working and unemployed areas? It is part of the culture. The SNP you imagine is not what it actually is. It is a marxist party that is quite happy with a growing underclass of dependents. It is not the UKIP of the North.
I’m not a gambling sort so I don’t know if anyone else can help further to my post at 16:34 but as I understand it, the early polls were always in favour of No, which would have set the betting pattern early on.
Does the betting pattern go into dictating the bookies’ odds as well as opinion polls?
The bookies adjust the odds by the second and the ‘ betting pattern early on’ sets nothing. The money sets the odds, not the politics. The bookies have the best seers; they survive on research and intelligence, but in the end the money dictates. Bookies aren’t gamblers. They run one of the most successful businesses in the world. And they will factor in electoral fraud, too. Which will be rife in this jamboree – on both sides!
Who,in Scotland,is voting against the union?It may be those aggrieved against the 21st.Century;yesterday’s men.
It maybe there is a majority in the Borders and in the Highlands for the Union amongst the Scottish Scots.
The Nats. vote comes from the urban area across the neck of Britain;from white male mid-aged revanchists.The Union is supported by women and young people and old people:and people in the South of Scotland and to the North of the urban area.
The revanchists are from areas where jobs have been lost just as they where in social-democratic England under Thatcher;Capitalist America;and Socialist/Communist Eastern Europe and Russia.In the UK this has been less damaging then in the USA or the East Territories ;but the revanchist Scots blame it on the English and Thatcher (and her political son,Blair).
The SNP have traded on promoting traditional Labour policies (but not delivering these even where they have the power;then blaming Westminster for the failure.)
What happens,as it may,that the Scots living in the vast majority of the territory of Scotland vote for the Union;whilst the Nat vote in the metro-con-urbation push the vote to `independence`?
I keep looking in the Mail and the Telegraph for coverage about the Ultimate Smackdown video of naughty Nick Robinson, but I can find none.
The first person to post that video on YouTube now has 418,000 plus hits. There are other versions of the same video on YouTube.
A lot of the public is clearly interested in who was pulling Mr Robinson’s strings.
I carry on reading a Scottish newspaper, and what do I find on the homepage:
HEADLINE: An explosive breach of the rules: Salmond blasts Treasury as its BBC email is exposed
And the British MSM don’t want to know!
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/an-explosive-breach-of-the-rules-salmond-blasts-treasury-as-its-bbc-email-is-exposed.25315637
BTW the egregious gobshite, Tommy Sheridan, did a wonderful job for the No vote today in his interview with Brillo. He’s campaigning for the Yes vote. 🙂
His ‘vision’ for Scottish secession – followed by Socialist Republics of Liverpool , Birmingham and Manchester was very attractively delineated, with the ultimate aim of a Worldwide Comintern. One hopes that any sapient Scots still resident in Scotland heard his manifesto. Demagoguic dickhead! They should shut him and Galloway in a flowery somewhere for a week without food or water and nick the survivor for cannibalism.
Jackie, nothing Salmond says is based on reality. There is no great controversy. Business will pull out of Scotland. This is a fact not a threat.
Moraymint does the egregious Cameron over to a tee in his message from the Prime Minister.
http://moraymint.wordpress.com/2014/09/14/message-from-the-prime-minister/
Radford
I read this somewhere
Is it libellous?
“This is not quite the place for it,but:I knew about these things in 1976. There were people within one or two handshakes of the leaders of PIE running playgrounds and publishing pro-PIE literature within easy waking distance of the school that Clarke and Balls went to:nobody wanted to know.I said decades ago if anybody crosses the Labour Party in that constituency, then there is no outside(such as the NCCL/Liberty) to appeal to,because they are all in it.Not that it is just Labour.I told the Conservatives enough to destroy the local Labour party,and they did not want to know;neither did anybody at the Spectator when I wrote to them about 1985.Sorry but you provoked me.”
I suppose that the author has copies of those letters to the Conservative Party and Spectator to answer C*rter R*ck
Radford
I read this somewhere
Is it libellous?
“This is not quite the place for it,but:I knew about these things in 1976. There were people within one or two handshakes of the leaders of PIE running playgrounds and publishing pro-PIE literature within easy waking distance of the school that Clarke and Balls went to:nobody wanted to know.I said decades ago if anybody crosses the Labour Party in that constituency, then there is no outside(such as the NCCL/Liberty) to appeal to,because they are all in it.Not that it is just Labour.I told the Conservatives enough to destroy the local Labour party,and they did not want to know;neither did anybody at the Spectator when I wrote to them about 1985.Sorry but you provoked me.”
I suppose that the author has copies of those letters to the Conservative Party and Spectator to answer C*rter R*ck