This is the Coffee House Wall for this week. I won’t say that it is your chance to communicate with us, as we are all in this together. It is, nevertheless, the Conservative Blog post that has no particular theme, and where everything is on topic. Let’s just remember that we want to avoid ad hominem attacks on others. We don’t want to engage with trolls. We want to moderate our language ourselves as responsible and mature adults, choosing to use fruity language only where it is necessary. This is our opportunity to show what the Spectator Coffee House Wall could have been like.
A cruel laugh to start the week and distract you from the rancid politics:
A pirate walked into a bar, and the publican said,
“Hey, I haven’t seen you in a while. What happened? You look terrible.”
“What do you mean?” said the pirate, “I feel fine.”
“What about the wooden leg? You didn’t have that before.”
“Well,” said the pirate, “We were in a battle, and I got hit with a
cannon ball, but I’m fine now.”
The publican persisted, “Well, OK, but what about that hook?
What happened to your hand?”
The pirate explained, “We were in another battle I boarded a ship and
got into a sword fight. My hand was cut off. So I got fitted with a hook
but I’m fine … really!”
“What about that eye patch?”
“Oh,” said the pirate, “One day we were at sea, and a flock of birds
flew over. I looked up, and one of them shit in my eye.”
“You’re kidding,” said the publican. “You couldn’t lose an eye just from bird shit.”
“It was my first day with the hook” he ruefully reply replied.
h/t NN (who else?)
Frank P 22nd, – 11:39
Heard it before, but never as succinctly as that. 😉
Frank P
April 22nd, 2012 – 11:39
Good joke, Frank. Are you sure it was a pirate and not a ‘radical’ (ca BBC) cleric? 🙂
Ostrich
In emending it for the purposes of ‘succinctness’ I unfortunately cocked up the last line (‘reply – replied’). Apologies. Perhaps Peter can remove the typo (and this comment) for the clarity of posterity.
Anne
I did consider adapting it to a political joke about ‘Hooky’ – but as I say, a little distraction from the putrid politics doesn’t come amiss sometimes. 🙂
Nicholas
I’ve taken the liberty of cross-posting your ‘foaming few’ post on to the latest Forsyth saga; “Mid term blues or something more serious”, over at the other place. We’ll see whether or not it makes the cut. It deserves the widest possible circulation. The war against what Sternberg calls ‘purificationism’ must be stepped up.
I put a serious posting by error on last week’s wall. It’s about the diplomat who was mugged.
Anne
Looking forward to the reply to missive to the grungiad!
Posted on last week’s Wall in error:
Please don¿t use the fascist left term Female Genital Mutilation. It is genital destruction. They slice off the clitoris. They have tried to ally it, subtley … ha ha ha ha … with circumcision, which some lefties had begun to refer to as “genital mutilation” a few years back. The phrase came in handy for avoiding mention of what muslim fascist parents were doing to their little premenstrual daughters.
Nicholas mentions “girls as young as 10″ … well, yes, they try to get them before their first menstruation and primitive peoples begin to menstruate earlier.
AWK .. re the stabbing, they’ll send the Negroid Stone Age perp to prison for a week or so and then release him because of “over-crowding”. Heaven forefend that violent immigrants should be uncomfortable!
The solution is obvious: Africans out of Britain. But they are a valuable tool for the left, so it won’t happen.
How did this individual get in to Britain without a job to go to? What did he say at the Immigration counter that persuaded one of his fellow Stone Agers, inexplicably employed as a British Immigration Officer, to let him in? Or how much did he slip to the Negroid immigration “officer” guarding Britain’s borders?
Also posted on last week’s Wall in error. Duh.
Wow! All this, and you’ve still got the Olympics to go!
I knew when he went so hell-for-leather after it that Blair was using the Olympics as a weapon against the British. His last grand act of treachery before he stepped down. It was always obvious that he hates Britain. The French had it in the bag, and Tony and his grotesque wife hired a plane and chased the Olympics Committee all the way to Singapore, where they were currently freeloading at The Marco Polo.
Why was Blair, who was just stepping down as PM, so keen to get this expensive, rubbish event into Britain? It wasn’t for his own glory as he didn’t engage himself in it after securing it for Britain. My opinion, from Day One, was and is that he did it as a final act of malice. He spent 11 years or whatever it was, hacking Britain to pieces. This is to be the grande finale.
Nicholas
Request to HQ – skirmishes over on the “Mid-term blues or something more serious” Speccie thread. Holding the line but reinforcements would be appreciated.
Two mediocre snipers (Tiberius and daniel maris) taking your name in vain and need taking out with a sort sharp salvo, I’m reloading should it be necessary.
If you’re squeamish, or have just eaten, look away now.
From The Mail, and I commend them for their bravery.
Majority of slicing around with little girls’ sex organs occurs in Africa and Middle Eastern countries – and, of course, areas of Brtain which have been culturally enriched, where it is seen as vital in preserving chastity.
In Somalia, Sudan and parts of Egypt more than 90 per cent of women are forced to go through with the procedure.
The first type involves the removal of the clitoris. The second type involves the removal of the clitoris and part of the labia – the outer part of the vagina.
This is the most common and account for about 80 per cent of FGMs.
The third type involves the removal of all external genitalia and stitching of the vaginal opening. Scar tissue eventually develops and only a small hole is left open.
The final type is the most severe and often leaves the women with infections and serious emotional scars.
It involves the cutting and sewing of the vagina and at times the introduction of a foreign substance into the vagina.
If you have the stomach for it, read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2133427/100-000-women-undergo-brutal-sexual-mutilation-illegally-Britain.html#ixzz1smScvcZc
Well, Cherie, I think we have had enough of rubbing the noses of the people whose legal system has been copied all over the world, in diversity.
These “procedures” must go wrong all the time, given that they are practised by illiterate primeval sub-morons … so do the parent take the little girl to a hospital or just leave the bin bag out by the kerb? If they take them to hospital, why don’t we read of their arrests for GBH?
Frank P & Verity:
After I emailed the “Guardian” I received an automatic reply giving email numbers which deal with complaints. This was this morning. I went out, and returning just now I checked the “Guardian,” online, and lo and behold, they now give the colour, height and description of the mugger!
Verity: The description is horrible, but I think I know why the filthy muslims do it. In Egypt, it is quite usual for anal intercourse to take place between so-called heterosexual males, and in their relationshios with women, they prefer this method, as they have become so accustomed to it. The men have terrible penis complexes, and are really screwed up sexually, so they are terrified that their women when married, will find them wanting (which no doubt they are). I would like to see MGM (Male Genital Multilation) performed on those evil men who have so damaged innocent females.
AWK – Can’t agree. It is all about family alliances and money. Which is also why they inter-marry with close relatives for generations and breed sub-normals for the British taxpayers to take care of for life. To conserve money within the family. So they marry close relatives. As they can’t afford, within this system, for a woman to make a choice of a mate, spread little girls on the kitchen table and an old “auntie” slices off all the bits with nerve ends.
This is why, as a race, they look like what they are in fact … the result of generations of inbreeding. This should obviously have been halted when they first hit our shores and word began to get out, but it wasn’t. The result is several generations of children so severely genetically damaged that they will be a burden on the NHS for life.
Verity
April 22nd, 2012 – 17:48
So you don’t agree with me? I think both you and I are correct in that mercenary and psychlogical reasons are both responsible for the evil practice. Verity, I assume you agree with me in the proposed punishment MGM?
AWK writes: “Verity, I assume you agree with me in the proposed punishment MGM?”
No. I believe in the death penalty for creating irreparable damage to a human body and psyche. Britain has gone to hell since they abolished the death penalty.
Verity
I am certainly for the death penalty, but before despatching these beats, why not let them have a dose of MGM?
AWK – OK. I’m game.
A good twist, so to speak, might be to have their operations on TV pour encouragers les autres.
“A senior British diplomat mugged while walking through a West London cemetery has lost sight in one eye, the Foreign and Commonwealth Office said today.’
You’re not the daddy if you can guess the mugger’s description.
Ladies, ladies! Do stop talking of mutilated genitals. It’s deeply depressing.
Austin Barry
April 22nd, 2012 – 19:02
And I’m the Mummy! See my posting in last week’s Wall.
Verity: Pity there isn’t 3D TV !!!!!!!
Frank P: Apologies 🙂 snap, crackle, pop!
Yes, Frank, I am sure AWK noted, as I did, the curious lack of a male presence in this discussion. It is indeed, deeply depressing, especially to the women who have been mutilated to make them more user friendly for men.
islam is a mental condition. Their founder was an epileptic paedophiliac bigamist.
He was going to give jihadis 72 virgins. Dwell on the sheer abnormality of that thought.
We need mass deportation.
Piece of interesting news in: Marine Le Pen came 3rd with 20%. Pity, so near and yet so far. But glad to see the Midget and his Tart out, although not good news that the Socialists will pobably get in. Still the midget is as much conservative as Dopey Dave, so plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose
Well, I’m glad I didn’t take a flyer on Marine afer all … although I think she will get in next time. Twenty percent of the vote in a three way fight is not bad. She will have much more of a voice now and will get on more TV discussion programmes. She is quite impressive in interviews and people will get to know her better.
Judging by the response to blog posts in The Telegraph, UKIP is getting ready for a surge. Loads of positive comments about Nigel … and some very toxic, vituperous ones, which shows the ConLabLib Party is running scared. Cameron seems to be held in universal contempt.
The French Parliamentary Elections take place in June/July, so Marine has a good chance then.
Then what did she lose, AWK? Was it an opinion poll?
A 51 minute lecture entitled “Why Marxism” by C Bradley Thompson; skip the intro (about 3 minutes or so) which is a bit silly. Not the best orator I have ever listened to either, but he punches out an entertaining case against the man who incited more murder and mayhem in the world than any other human being. Some useful ammunition to use in the counter-counter-culture struggle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt58gg1DQGk&feature=player_embedded#at=20
h/t Gerard Vanderleun.
Verity
April 22nd, 2012 – 20:56
It was the election for President of France
I thought I read it was a run-up … not the actual election.
AWK – From Daniel Hannan’s blog in The Telegraph today:
April 22nd, 2012 21:04
Whoever wins, a grumpy France will stick to socialist policies
By Daniel Hannan Politics
There was never any doubt that a socialist would win the first round of the French election.
Did anybody else notice that BBC TV seems to be up to its old tricks? On the 10:00 News on BBC 1, they showed a List of Candidates for London Mayor, and failed to show that wretched Spanish/Italian/Urugayan who is a dead ringer of Emanuel from Fawly Towers! Surely they are not afraid of that? ……
From James Rhodes’ blog on The Telegraph, Dudley Moore playing the piano as you have never heard him before … a variation on “The Colonel Bogey March” and masquerading as a lost Beethoven sonata, written by himself.
I had no idea he was that clever.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/culture/jamesrhodes/100062615/a-lost-beethoven-sonata/
With the ladies getting in a twist about who had not won the French election and going on at length, mercifully without links to Google Images or YouTube, about clitoridectomies, it was something of a relief to see that Verity has moved on to male genitals – it was certainly “Dudley Moore playing the piano as you have never heard him before” and, for someone who has been dead for a number of years, doing a surprisingly convincing imitation of James Rhodes. Order! Order!
At the risk of encouraging recidivism, may I ask what makes a woman without a clitoris “more user friendly for men”? Experience, I would have thought, tends to indicate the opposite.
Last week, a Palestinian court sentenced Mr. Muhammad Abu Shahala to death for selling a home in Hebron to Jews. He was of course tortured before sentencing.
Didn’t the Nazis formulate a law along those lines at Nuremberg?
Is that law of the Palestine Authority supported by muslims and leftists in the United Kingdom? Silly question…
Malfleur 00:01 … A woman with all her bits intact is vulnerable to a charming smile, a helping hand up onto the kerb and a pair of flirty eyes. If said lady has been married to someone she doesn’t know (and who may have other wives living in the home) as part of a financial arrangement her parents made with his parents (and probably first cousins, if that distant) she might be inclined to be agreeable when the aforementioned Sir Galahad helps her up onto the kerb.
If she has never had any sexual sensations, this is less likely. In fact, she won’t undestand what all the fuss is about, which is how the family wants it. Which is why they hacked her about on the kitchen table when she was nine or 10.
Capisce?
The whole point is to keep the financial arrangement between the various family members in order. If they’ve never had any sexual sensation, they won’t see the point of a flirty male smile.
Another encapsulation of what’s going down:
“If I wanted America to fail…”
http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/5minute_arguments/if_i_wanted_america_to_fa.php
Six months hard work ahead; we failed to stop Obama last time. It’s important that we don’t fail this time. The shadow lengthens. Disseminate.
Verity
I think we all agree, the barbaric custom of both clitorisectomy and circumcision amounts to grievous bodily harm. It is illegal in theory, but unfortunately ancient religions appear to have dispensation from the law when practicing such dark rituals. Now can we PLEASE stop writing about it because it makes my eyes water – and then I can’t read the next post.
Incidentally my spell checker failed ‘clitorisectomy’ and threw up ‘tonsillectomy’
as an alternative. Obviously the compiler of the software lexicon had seen “Deep Throat”. Or was there a sequel – “Very Deep Throat”?
And while we’re exploring invasive practices, with or without consent, Mr Boot extends the discussion on rape that he kicked off on on April 12, now that the verdict is in:
http://alexanderboot.com/content/what-strange-trial-what-strange-verdict
Sex is such fun, isn’t it? How unlike the home life of our dear sovereign Queen.
The British nazis march forward … Surgeons are no longer to be allowed to recuse themselves, citing their Christian beliefs, from being involved in the bizarre chimera of “sex change” surgery.
A GMC spokeswoman said last night that the new guidelines – currently for consultation – only reflected the ‘law of the land’.
She said the Equality Act 2010 already prohibited doctors from discriminating against people who are undergoing gender reassignment treatment. The unnamed GMC spokeswoman sounds alarmingly ignorant. Gender is “assigned” by genes and is woven into DNA. It can’t be “re-assigned”, as though some clerk had made a mistake and put you in the wrong column … M instead of F.
A male chromosome is XY. A female chromosome is XX. It’s your DNA. It can’t be “reassigned”. “Sex change” is a lie. People can get themselves chopped about, moulded and hormoned into a facsimile of the opposite sex, but that’s it. Perhaps the unnamed GMC spokeswoman (an X and a Y hormone) hasn’t grasped this root fact of life.
Incidentally, it didn’t mention whether muslim surgeons – if anyone were crazy enough to put themselves in his hands – were included in this new rule of no recusing, or whether they give allah’s doctor boyz a break.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2133366/Doctors-forced-carry-sex-change-ops-rules-meant-marginalise-Christian-medics.html#ixzz1sp9ysoGA
Kennybhoy quotes from the Sternberg article, on last week’s Wall:-
““With rare exceptions, U.S. conservatives, too, have been off the mark, viewing the agitators as socialists or (in the U.S. sense) extreme liberals. These are faulty images of an adversary that has radically changed.”
and then comments, waspishly:-
“Indeed. There are some hereabouts who really do need to get their heids around this!”
Really? We now have absolutely nothing to fear from socialists or extreme liberals in the light of this new mutation of the same old virus infection? Since I am probably one of the “some hereabouts” who is “off the mark” here is what Mr Sternberg wrote about identifying the new enemy:-
“Bernard-Henri Lévy’s colorful terms (alongside ones already mentioned) include neoprogressivism, oxymoronic Left, cadaverous Left, and red fascism. Among other writers, too, the older term left-fascism has reappeared, having brief currency after the German philosopher Jurgen Habermas used it in 1968 to label young radicals willing to suppress speech, excuse Stalinism, and condone violence in opposition to the capitalist state. The term is now found in more elaborate forms, such as red-brown-green coalition, with the green referring to radical environmentalism or radical Islamism or both. The colors are arrayed in various sequences, sometimes with black thrown in for good measure, to refer to anarchism. Their combination is sometimes termed the ‘‘coalition’’ or, more tellingly, ‘‘synthesis’’ of the extremes.”
I’ll stick to “lefties” thanks – or at a pinch “leftofascists”. My crude world view of them wraps them all up as bad as each other anyway , including the new “red-brown-green coalition” – or whatever. But in addition there is the new establishment that Mr Sternberg does not address. The marriage of cloaked communism – always called social democracy – with capitalism, as practiced by one Gordon Brown, for example. A paradox successfully implemented in China without the need for the cloaking, it is marked by lefties getting wealthy as apparatchiks whilst imposing increasingly authoritarian policies and extends to that new force for oppression – quangos. Many of these “social democrats” do their “man of reason” act whilst taking their policy cues from the sort of people Mr Sternberg describes.
God rot all their socks.
Apropos of the diplomat mugged in West London, his attacker is described as:
“…as black and around 5’10” tall. He wore a dark hooded top and dark glasses.”
It is bad enough to be attacked, worse to be attacked by a cliché.
Perhaps there’s a market for a tourist tee-shirt emblazoned with “I went to London and wasn’t mugged, in’it” (© ABarryStopnSearchProductions).
I think it would sell.
At the risk of Frank P’s eyes watering again, I have to add a note on what is surely some confusion between circumcision and clitoridectomy. These are by no means the same, and I say this even though I came to the clitoris somewhat late in life, not having been enlightened notwithstanding having a younger sister. The clitoris, along with the medulla oblongata and suchlike, were not generally on the radar “back in the day”.
At the once a lifetime sex talk from my Headmaster, the Reverend George Snow taking questions, explained to my year that sexual intercourse lasted three minutes – mind you this was before 1963. As you will appreciate however we boys fell into two camps: Roundheads and Cavaliers, and no particular complaint was heard from the former that all hope of sexual pleasure had been robbed of them by the barber. Indeed such outlets as there were for such pleasure appeared to go one for very much longer than the regulation three minutes allowed to the married couple as reported by the High Authority on these matters and sometimes even for a goodly part of a Latin class.
The clitoridectomy, by contrast, appeared unknown as far as experience could establish to the inmates of St. Mary’s Petworth with whom home and away dances were arranged and policed on our side by the Science Master, Major “Kipper” Herring”. Had I even dreamed of such an attack being possible on one of life’s great pleasures or known of and understood the nature of a fons et origo on which such a procedure might be performed, I would have been deeply shocked and outraged as of one who for the first time recognizes real evil in the world. Had it been generally practised there, then, by comparison with any effects of circumcision, school dances would have been very much less steamy affairs, though we should never have known why.
Verity’s explanation why the procedure makes women more user friendly to muslims remains still entirely outside the bounds of my comprehension – but there is clearly a different definition of “user” at work here somewhere.
Anyhow, my own eyes are beginning to water, so I must leave the subject or typing will become impossible. I did however catch an article on this subject in Gates of Vienna, and one more unfathomable aspect of the matter is how with 100,000 known cases in our country mainly it seems involving pre-pubescent girls, no one appears to have been convicted of assault, or gbh, or whatever, as all these parents and guardians ought. Clitoridectomy is not circumcision; but is it technically against the law in this country?
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/04/gift-from-religion-of-atrocity.html#more
Malfleur:
Verity’s explanation why the procedure makes women more user friendly to muslims remains still entirely outside the bounds of my comprehension – but there is clearly a different definition of “user” at work here somewhere.
I feelcompelled to reply to your posting which is really intended for Verity. For some reason you are unable to understand her hypothesis. I hope that this is indeed the case, and you are not being facetious, because this is a very serious and tragic matter. The reason muslims want their women mutilated is not to provide them with ‘user friendly’ sexual intercourse. That they get either from willing or non-willing non muslim women, or from their other men. They want the muslim women they marry to have no sexual urges or emotions, thus rendering them safe from temptation from other men. They want them to be simply receptacles for producing more offspring. End of lecture.
Examples of the insane world of Islam cannot be bettered than in a website entitled ‘Islam Q&A’.
http://islamqa.info/en/cat/426&page=1
Typical example:
“In my grandfather’s house there is a real live parrot, and when I pass by it, it greets me and says ‘al-salaamu ‘alaykum”. In this case do I have to return the greeting of this bird?.”
Praise be to Allaah.
Firstly:
Al-Fayyoomi (may Allah have mercy on him) said: The babgha’ (parrot) is a well-known bird..
Secondly:
It seems that it is not prescribed to return the greeting of a parrot which has learnt how to say salaams, because saying salaam is an act of worship and a supplication which requires intention on the part of the one who said it, and there is no such intention on the part of this trained creature. So one should not return its greeting.
And Allah knows best.”
Quite barmy.
But if the parrot said something rude about you know who would it still be considered that there “is no such intention” or would the parrot be beheaded?
Malfleur (09:43)
[Rubs eyes, blinks three times ahhh … that’s better]. If you’re implying that it is I that is confused about the difference between male circumcision and clitoridectomy (and my spell-check still insists that it’s tonsillectomy – even with your spelling) you are mistaken. I understand perfectly the difference and as someone once said, ‘Vive la difference!’ … or was it, ‘Vive le difference!’?
Apples and oranges may be different but they are still fruit – the fruit of religious barbarity imho and though hygiene may have once been a half-assed excuse for the former practice in days of yore in the desert (we all know that sand gets in your eye), even with today’s water shortages here in the modern world, I think there is no excuse for it and it does fall within the ambit of GBH because it inflicts lasting damage and in general those upon whom it is performed are too young to consent.
Nicholas (07:55)
Yes, Kennybhoy cunningly picked one paragraph out of context and thereby tried to reverse the whole point of Sternberg’s piece; cunning wee jockie. Tut! Tut! Kennybhoy.
An excellent riposte, Nicholas!
Frank P,
Here’s something to take your mind off those stone age weirdy-beardies and their flashing knives, choppers or otherwise….
http://news.sky.com/home/strange-news/article/16214037
#warning# Hold on to your office chair for this one! (after the Ad)
Frank P @ 01.14 and 11.10
“I think we all agree, the barbaric custom of both clitorisectomy [sick] and circumcision amounts to grievous bodily harm.”
I think I had picked up on that – and can’t agree, notwithstanding being of the royalist party.
AWK 1 @ 09:54
No, really, – may be the occasional psychopath like Breivek I can understand. I cannot comprehend the cultural mind-set, not as an explanation for a whole group It doesn’t seem natural to me. Why would one want one’s wife just to be a “receptacle”?
May be it’s because i didn’t study anthropology or the psychology of crowds…But then who really “understands” human sacrifice among the Mayans or the Aztecs – or very much wants to?
EC @ 11.50
I wonder what track he was listening to on those headphones…?
Malfleur 9:43 – I’m glad you stepped up to the plate. I almost replied to Frank last night, but he’s an old blog friend and I thought I’d let it lie. But it is not good for this dangerous misconception to be accepted.
Malfleur and Frank P – I have explained and explained and explained. And so has AWK.
THEY DO NOT WANT THEIR WIVES TO EXPERIENCE SEX — other than as a receptacled — BECAUSE THEY DO NOT WANT HER TO BE ATTRACTED TO ANOTHER MAN AND RUN AWAY WITH HIM OR HAVE POSSIBLY GET PREGNANT BY HIM (this was in the days before tests) THUS WRECKING THE FINANCIAL ARRANGEMENTS THE TWO FAMILIES HAD BUILT ON THE COUPLE AND FUTURE CHILDREN.
They do not want their women to having any sexual feeling or inclinations. They do not trust women — and given what their men look and dress like, and those god-awful beardie thingies – who can blame them? Any woman with any sexual inclinations would be out the house in a flash. This is why they chop off the organ that accounts for sexual arousal and pleasure.
Again, this is how they GUARANTEE that the woman they are putting for marriage as a chip for almalgamating the family money IS A VIRGIN. They make sure she has never been tempted to go off the rails.
They keep the women as brood mares to increase the family money by arrangements with other families.
Dear God! Where have you people been for the last 50 years? Have you read absolutely nothing about islam??? Everything I have recounted here is well known, not to say notorious.
As you can see, I turned off the bold type, but it didn’t go off.
AS you malinformed people will probably also believe that the burqa and all that clobber are “part of their religion”, here’s another little fact for you. This desert gear predates islam by centuries.
The reason they lie and say it’s religious is so it won’t be outlawed, and it is invaluable to them. It hides their women. (Just in case they have any pretty ones.) It ensures that no man is going to turn in the street and try to approach her. They sequester their women because she is their ticket to more wealth. THAT IS THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE BURQA. I challenge you to find one mention of the burqa in the q’ran or any of their religious writings.
IT IS SOLELY TO HIDE THEIR WOMEN.
Even mohammad wasn’t daring enough to get involved in fashion advice. In the entire q’ran, the only mention of clothing AT ALL is, mo’ said, “women should dress modestly”. He also, incidentally, said, “So should men.”
THAT WAS IT! That is the only mention of fabric or fashion in the entire q’ran and hadith. That is it! That one sentence!
The islamics are lying to you. There’s a surprise!
In a multi-faith attempt to obtain some clarity on the eye-watering issue of female genital mutilation I consulted my now favourite beach reading, ‘Islam, O&A which states, with apologies to Frank P.’:
Q. “Could you explain me what is the medical benefit of girl’s circumcision?”.
Praise be to Allaah.
A. Female circumcision has not been prescribed for no reason, rather there is wisdom behind it and it brings many benefits.
Mentioning some of these benefits, Dr. Haamid al-Ghawaabi says:
Circumcision reduces excessive sensitivity of the clitoris which may cause it to increase in size to 3 centimeters when aroused, which is very annoying to the husband, especially at the time of intercourse.
Another benefit of circumcision is that it prevents stimulation of the clitoris which makes it grow large in such a manner that it causes pain.
Circumcision prevents spasms of the clitoris which are a kind of inflammation.
Circumcision reduces excessive sexual desire .
In the book on Traditions that affect the health of women and children, which was published by the World Health Organization in 1979 it says:
With regard to the type of female circumcision which involves removal of the prepuce of the clitoris, which is similar to male circumcision, no harmful health effects have been noted.
And Allaah knows best.”
Lying and deceiving the infidel are formal discplines in islam and there is a name for it — taqqya and kitman. If the intent is to deceive the infidel on behalf of furthering the interests of allah, they can even swear a lie on their q’ran and they will get points in heaven. Maybe an extra virgin or an extra river of wine.
Thanks, Austin Barry. Out of all the rubbish you quote above, the key phrase is “Circumcision reduces excessive sexual desire .” It kills it in fact. If the nerves have been severed, there is no sensation.
The individual quoted above … Dr. Haamid al-Ghawaabi … is a practitioner of taqqya and kitman.
By the way, the famous Dutch MP who has since gone to work in a think tank in the US was born in some islamic hellhole and escaped in Amsterdam airport on her way to marry someone her family had promised her to in Canada.
Anyway, although she has always refused to talk personally, from hints she has dropped, it would appear that she was butchered as a child.
She left Holland, being unable to leave her apartment, ever, despite 24 hour police protection, because the jihadis were fixated on her and she didn’t want to undergo the fate of Theo Van Gogh, and she is now working for a major think tank in DC.
PS Austin Barry … there is no such thing as “female circumcision”. You are falling for taqqya and kitman. Women don’t have foreskin. Do not be beguiled into using their terms (“Oh, trust me, effendi! Effendi, I respect you! I wouldn’t lie to you, effendi, on the holy q’ran, I swear it!”. ) Please attend to Western science and the study of physiology.
I think it is tragic that British lawmakers have been such cowards over this, but then that is the default position for anything involving the plague of sand fleas currently infesting Britain.
Ooops, in referring to the former MP in the Dutch Parliament, Aayan Hirsi Ali, I forgot to write her name. Here it is, so you can google it.
Verity 23 April at 16-14
I was quoting directly from ‘Islam Q&A’ without comment or, of course, approval.
Austin Barry … fair enough.
Jesus H Christ! Will you lot cut out the gynae g.b.h shtick! And the lectures on Islam. I’ve got two copies of the Koran, all the works of Yusuf Al Qaradawi and many more besides, given to me by a muslim p.a. who worked under my aegis in one of my ‘post retirement’ occupations a couple of decades back; she was anxious to convert me. Very nice nice lady and an extremely competent administrator (except for the five breaks for prayer and cleansing each day, which tended to screw up the work schedules a little), but I saw the spiel coming a mile off and, as ever when the god botherers approach, I slipped the net. It all amounts to barbaric bollocks and I’m not surprised that gruesome behaviour of the sort described emanates from the cult/religion of Islam. I didn’t tell her that, she had enough problems without me adding to them.
But embossing it with a feminist slant doesn’t make it worse, or excuse the religion that encourages the practice. It’s all of a piece. Who cares whether its the religion or chauvinism that ‘justifies’ it in the minds of the perpetrators? They should get their collars felt for doing it, but you’re pissing into the wind if you think that’s likely to happen in the current climate of multi-culti cobblers.
As for shnickling wee boys before they’ve had a chance to decide whether or not foreshortening is necessary (whether for reasons of custom, religious rite, hygiene or whatever) I consider that abuse too. Others disagree. So it goes.
To help you with your future lectures of where we ignoramuses are off the rails, Verity, I recommend Al-Qaradawi’s “Al-Halal Wal-Haram Fil-Islam” (The lawful and the prohibited in Islam). And if you don’t stop shouting at me in capital letters, I shall transcribe great wodges of it and address them to you personally. I’d much rather, of course, just accept that Islam and Western Civilisation are incompatible and resist Mo’s marauders with whatever energy remains in my shrivelled old husk. The semantics of the subject are irrelevant to me – fuck ’em all (metaphorically speaking of course), with or without their foreskins or clitorises!
Not in the same league as Frank P’s but here goes.
A very fat old man visited the accident and emergency department at his local hospital; he explained that he had something wrong with his ‘John Thomas’.
The experienced triage nurse asked him to undress in a screened bay and said she would be with him shortly, she then asked if he would mind if she was accompanied by a trainee, he said that he did not object.
A few minutes later when they had joined him behind the screen; the trainee burst into a fit of giggles brought on by the fact that said ‘John Thomas’ was extremely small, similar in size to a AAA battery.
The senior nurse whilst apologising profusely for the trainees bad manners and her lack of professionalism sent her away, and with a straight face asked the patient what was the problem.
He said “it is swollen to twice its normal size”, she ran screaming from the bay.
Before I’m padlocked into my holdall for a postprandial kip I‘m with Frank P. There must be a Wall moratorium on genital surgery. Already, a grisly Grand National of galloping genitals are infiltrating my waking moments. Here they come now… arghhh..
Frank P – I have already posted an apology for the excess of bold type and explained that I had “offed” it, but it hadn’t gone off. P from M has fixed it.
Thanks for the recommendation, but I have read enough about islam to last me several lifetimes …
Anyway, a nous moutons, here is a writer I have just discovered at The Gates of Vienna. This is an absolutely superb piece of writing about modern Britain. In fact, it would be wonderful to have a guest post from him, P from M!
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.mx/2011/06/one-week-in-death-of-britain.html
Austin Barry, d’acuerdo!!!!
It would be interesting to learn if anyone is starting to get adverts from Google for FGM or other forms of GM.
… but it is because men are so squeamish about this mutililation that it doesn’t get prosecuted. Or even mentioned.
P from M …no, all I’ve got is brain-training games and handbags.
But it’s an interesting thought … I’ll pay attention.
I’m not squeamish about it and I think it is appalling and that it should be treated as child abuse of the worst kind. I am sure that there are people in the UK who are performing it and need to be identified and prosecuted.
Re Adverts: I’m being invited to meet up with (apparently musclebound) ladies from “Fitness Singles”.
If only I had the nerve…
Verity (17.25)
Malfleur posted the G o V link, a day or two ago. Good blog.
From NN:
A former Sergeant, having served his time with the Airborne, took a new job as a school teacher, but just before the school year started he injured his back. He was required to wear a plaster cast around the upper part of his body. Fortunately, the cast fitted neatly under his shirt and wasn’t noticeable, ‘cept inasmuch that he appeared to have a substantial six-pack.
On the first day of class, he found himself assigned to the toughest students in the school. The smart Aleck punks, having already heard the new teacher was a former Para, were leery of him and decided to see how tough he really was, before trying any pranks. Walking confidently into the rowdy classroom, the new teacher opened the window wide and sat down at his desk. When a strong breeze made his tie flap, he picked up a stapler and promptly stapled the tie to his chest.
He had no trouble with discipline that year.
P from M – There are dozens if not hundreds of them doing this butchery on kitchen tables all over islamic neighbourhoods in Britain.
Men — most of them — are frightened of the subject, which is why no one addresses this butchery of little girls. And it’s a sad day when the British aren’t as brave as the French, who banned the burqa in schools around five years ago, and banned it anywhere in public about a year ago.
I hope everyone goes to the Gates of Vienna link I posted above. The writer addresses the degraded state of Britain. An outstanding writer. Maybe he could be persuaded to do a guest post …
Frank P – Eeeks! Thank you! I do beg Malfleur’s pardon!
Gates of Vienna has always been an outstanding blog, then the owner closed it down. I believe the muzzies had tracked him down. This fellow that we are both recommending appears to be a guest poster.
For some reason I find this issue of FGC/M to be very moving, and concerning. Especially that it is happening here.
This is a very good website. I have sent some questions to the woman running this organisation.
http://www.orchidproject.org/
I visited the site, Peter, and although I think it is weak, I believe it is targetted at Africans. I don’t like her weakening the word to “cutting” because this is actually a grave assault on a child. It is a deliberate mutilation and theft of her adult womanhood to suit the financial ends of her family.
However, we are talking Africa, not Britain and Europe. So whatever works.
In Britain, it is the law that should be working. And it’s not. Out of craven cowardice by the owners of the country.
Verity, the law is always subject to other considerations. People do what they think is right. It is not enough to simply say that something is illegal, indeed we all know that that hardly works at all. It is necessary to campaign and change the minds of people. Those who are submitting their daughters to FGC/M are usually WOMEN not MEN. And it is certainly not excusively Islamic and as a practice it predates Islam, and Christianity and is truly ancient. An ancient evil certainly, but mostly an African not a narrowly Islamic practice. Indeed most of those suffering come from 28 African countries. It is less common in the Middle East and Asia.
The Kikuyu in Kenya made adherence to the practice an aspect of their independence movement, and in their community the practice was performed entirely by women. Indeed they murdered British missionaries who were trying to stop the practice. It is simplistic to describe it as only a Muslim practice (it is not), and one forced universally upon women by men (it is not). This is why campaigns such as those by Orchid Project are necessary to change women’s minds so that they take control of their lives and protect their children. The worst aspect of this practice is that many women believe that it is in their daughters interests to mutilate them in this way.
Verity, ‘cutting’ is the word which is used to describe the practice by various groups, not all of whom are Muslim. Therefore it is necessary to address the practice as it is named by various groups otherwise they will not be able to hear the message that is being spoken to them.
Yasmin Alibhai-Brown:-
“Today is St George’s Day and Shakespeare’s birthday. Both symbolise a global and expansive sensibility and rebut those other characteristics one associates with England – twitchiness, arrogance, snobbery and supremacy. Of all the tribes of Europe, England is the most promiscuous, culturally and carnally and has been since it began to take shape. Scotland and Wales, in contrast, are more protectionist and relatively insular.”
Hmm. Let’s hope someone English, Scottish or Welsh takes offence and shops her to the Stasi under the Public Order Act. Oh, sorry, I forgot. There are different rules aren’t there. She can openly publish her prejudices, racism, bigotry and hatred towards the English because the concept of the English being victims of such things is ridiculous. She can stereotype the Scots and Welsh without fear too. No Twitter Show Trial for her. No jumped up jobsworth telling us her views are unacceptable and will not be tolerated.
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/yasmin-alibhai-brown/yasmin-alibhaibrown-shakespeare-offers-us-lessons-in-race-relations-7669088.html
Nicholas, I’ve just asked on that post which police unit such offensive and racist posts should be reported to.
P from M – At no time did I say this mutilation was practised by men! Never! It is almost always an old granny or at least a late middle aged woman who does the slicing.
I also at no time claimed that it is exclusively islamic. Islam doesn’t even come into it! It is to safeguard the ownership and inheritance ofproperty and money and always has been. The islamics practice it because it is historically part of their culture. I don’t believe I have ever heard an islamic justifying it from a religious point of view. It’s a folk custom to keep money in the family and to keep faith with whoever they marry their daughter off to.
They’ve never claimed it is a religious rite. They were/are primitives. The family with whom they were forming an alliance wanted an assurance that the woman’s children were also their son’s … to keep the money and whatever in the family. The best way to assure this was to make absolutely certain the woman was never tempted into a dalliance with a pair of flirty eyes and a good line in chat. Mutilate her so she had no sexual sensations. That way, she wouldn’t stray. And the money and property would stay within the family.
The burqa and all that desert gear also predates islam by at least a couple of thousand years. It is specifically designed to keep the searing desert sun off skin and sand out of ears, noses, mouths and throats. It has bugger all, nothing, nada, rien to do with “modesty”. The men wear siimilar outfits and instead of the niquab (eyes, nose and mouths) they wear the dashing keffiyah, which serves the same purpose.
None of this has anything to do with islam. I don’t know whether the left know this, and just grabbed islam as a good weapon of suppression for the owners of Britain, or whether (my guess) they are too stupid to have done any reading in their entire lives, and they have never been anywhere.
Nicholas: A THOUGHT FOR TODAY; Yasmin Alibhai-Brown – Out damn spot, out! What will these hands ne’er be clean? Doesn’t the wretched bint look as though she smells unclean?
Farage, strutting his stuff on Sky, with midwife Murnaghan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cLuVhskTkVQ#!
And this, from the Devil’s Kitchen:
http://www.devilskitchen.me.uk/2012/04/yes-but-no.html
The much heralded Benefits Cap has brought forth this news on the BBC online: “Newham Council is accused of beginning the “social cleansing” of London by asking a Stoke-on-Trent housing association to take on up to 500 families on housing benefit. ” Opposition believes it is wrong to send people so far from their roots in order to obtain benefits and housing. I would have thought that London to Stoke is far less a journey than Somali, Pakistan, Congo, etc. to the UK!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9221047/Black-people-cannot-be-racist-says-former-Ken-Livingstone-aide.html
Nothing to add; the link says it all.
AWK1 @8:19
They already tried that some years back. They transported large numbers of immigrants to that haven of multi-kulti tolerance – Glasgow. Most of them absconded on the first train heading south – towards London.
“The noblest prospect which a Scotchman ever sees, is the high road that leads him to England!” Samuel Johnson.
(not that one could call London “England” anymore)
The Newham decantees probably got the sort of warm welcome that Mike and Bernie Winters got at the Glasgow Empire.
‘Aw, f***, there’s two o’ them!’
Wilders pulls the rug. Aiii!
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/dutch-government-resigns-after-far-right-partnership-collapses-over-austerity-measures/story-e6frg6so-1226336715357
Headlinewise, this rivals the fictional headline “Small earthquake in Peru – not many dead” … from today’s The European Observer: ” European finances still in bad shape, statistics show”
AWK – Unbelievable.
The vote in Britain has to be confined to citizens of Britain only. Allowing foreigners to roll up and vote themselves money from the owners of the country, and force through political changes, through countless “uncles” who collect ballot slips and “vote” on behalf of non-citizens should have been stopped on Day One of Dave’s joke premiership.
Note to Dave: You’re not as funny as Ken Dodd. Also, not as good looking.
New Labour’s “progressive” policies presided over the transformation of Britain from green and pleasant land to Third World Hell. And the consequences have not yet begun to show their worst. Those responsible should be the subject of a formal independent enquiry (since they were so keen on establishing those), should apologise to the British people (since they were so keen on apologising for ethnic wrongs) and be formally reported to the UN as being in breach of Article 8 of the Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples:-
Article 8
1. Indigenous peoples and individuals (such as the English) have the right not to be
subjected to forced assimilation or destruction of their culture (such as New Labour’s mass immigration and imposition of multi-culturalism).
2. States (such as the UK Government) shall provide effective mechanisms for prevention of, and redress for:
(a) Any action which has the aim or effect of depriving them of their integrity as distinct peoples, or of their cultural values or ethnic identities; (such as mass immigration and the promotion of multi-culturalism)
(b) Any action which has the aim or effect of dispossessing them of their lands, territories or resources; (such as transferring sovereignty to the EU)
(c) Any form of forced population transfer which has the aim or effect of violating or undermining any of their rights;
(d) Any form of forced assimilation or integration; (such as mass immigration, multi-culturalism and oppressive “hate crime” laws selectively enforced and intended to suppress the dissent of the indigenous English)
(e) Any form of propaganda designed to promote or incite racial or ethnic discrimination directed against them. (such as multi-culturalism, diversity peddling and the partisan race “relations” industry).
Of course where this breaks down is that none of these socialist swine accept that the English are an indigenous people so a very great crime is committed which will reverberate against our children and our children’s children.
A motivated law firm could slice ‘n’ dice Blair and Cherie. This was deliberate. Cherie said in public that she was going to “rub British noses in diversity”. It was, to my thinking, clearly and irrefutably done with deliberate, destructive and malicious intent. I am surprised that she, a lawyer, was stupid enough to make this damning statement in public. They are a very, very weird and destructive pair.
I would not be in London for the Olympics for anything. This was engineered by Cherie and, in my opinion (legal disclaimer) could only have been motivated by malice.
You’ll find out soon enough.
My first para above was in response to Nicholas’s indigenous people post, as well as introducing some of my own thoughts. Just to be clear.
P from M April 23 21:17 … addresses me … “Those who are submitting their daughters to FGC/M are usually WOMEN not MEN.”
Peter, with respect, you are very naive and have not had much experience outside your own Anglo-Saxon British world. Those who are submitting their daughters to having their clitorises sliced off are WOMEN because this is a domestic matter and therefore a woman’s job. MEN are too important to be involved in such domestic familial trivialities.
Andy Car Park @10:20
Aye well they go straight for the jockular at the Glasgow Empire. Reportedly, Des O’ Connor fainted had to be carried off the stage. (A story that got better every time Eric & Ernie told it) Mind you, the Sunderland Empire could be equally challenging for southern comedians. If you’d ever met Mrs EC’s relations it would become readily apparent why.
I thought that Schnorbitz was a much better ‘straight man’ than Mike Winters.
EC & Verity:
I’m so sick of it all, there is no more to be said. The time for words is past, and action is needed. Verity, stop worrying about the sand flies being FGM. I’ve cometo the conclusion that it may turn out to be a blessing in disguise. Hopefully they will develop severe infections which will render them infertile. Natural culling! 🙂
AWK -Unfortunately, no. If they come down with an infection these days, a friendly islamic doctor will pescribe antibiotics on the NHS and, thanks to Western medical genius, the girl will rendered neither infertile nor dead.
Viva Marine!!
Verity
April 24th, 2012 – 19:
Let’s hope the infection is resistant to all medication.
Viva Marine – Amen!
Over the last two weeks, the unelected Chinese government in Peking has been pursuing aggressive, gunboat diplomacy in Philippine territorial waters as part of its long-term strategy to turn the South China Sea into a “Chinese lake” and thus to remove it from international waters and from the territorial waters of other nations surrounding it.
A good summary of the overall problem posed by Chinese ambitions can be read in this article from the Asian Times published last October:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/MJ05Ae03.html
There has been a remarkable silence from the United States government so far on the latest intrusions by Chinese government ships into Philippine waters, after the Philippine navy, such as it is, tried to chase out Chinese fishing pirates from around the Scarborough Shoal, a point close enough to the former US naval base of Subic Bay to have been used back then by the US navy for target practice.
A summary of these events, and in the context of new natural gas finds by a Philippine exploration company in Philippine waters, disputed by China, was published by Reuters in Manila yesterday:
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/world/13512931/manilas-philex-finds-more-gas-in-south-china-sea-may-fuel-china-tension/
Although the United States has been silent on the last fortnight’s events around the Scarborough Shoal, in the larger picture America seems to have woken up to the potential Chinese threat to international sea lanes and the sovereignty of its allies in that part of Asia. Whether America has not only woken up, but gotten out of bed is another matter.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/chinas-high-tech-military-threat/
Since the United Kingdom has largely given up responsibility for its own defence of sea lanes, this should be a question for us too.
One day late, but timely:
http://britishfreedom.org/on-being-english/
What a totally weird website! That typeface is around 2 pt. I don’t know how anyone could read it without a telescope.
Hold down Ctrl (bottom left of the keyboard) and at the same time (like -ing and chewing gum) using your right index finger lightly scroll forward the little wheel in the middle of your mouse (it’s like a clitoris)- wow! the letters get bigger and bigger!
I usually use the zoom button at the top of the page, but a new techie had been messing around with my computer and they always interfere in something you have not named as a problem. They want everything set up their favourite way.
Viva Marine!
Good grief!
People employed by town halls are getting £100,000 a year? Of taxpayer money? What for??
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2134688/3-000-town-hall-staff-earn-100-000-hundreds-figure-salaries-despite-cutbacks.html
Apropos of Mike and Bernie Winters, I thought, whatever happened to Freddie ‘Parrotface’ Davis, one-trick-pony star of the 1960’s? For those who care, Freddy is still alive.
http://www.freddiedavies.com/
Malfleur @00:35,
My mouse doesn’t have a little wheel in the centre, or any signs of a button. Do you you think it have been subject to some form of barbaric stone age ritual mutilation?
If Freddy Davis had ever been given a badly wired microphone, like the one that Norman Collier was perennially cursed with, then he’d probably have electrocuted himself. Freddy had more slobber than Schnorbitz, and was second only to Roy Hattersley.
The Spectator is consistently allowing the troll to post using my identity as Peter OF Maidstone, I have complained repeatedly but it is now getting to the point where I am considering what legal avenues are open to me since they do not seem to want to deal with the issue and people keep thinking (as is intended) that the troll’s posts are by me.
EC @ 08.07
I don’t know what kind of a mouse you are running there. If I didn’t get my finger on that little wheel every day, life would become unbearable.
Strange … but True !!!
‘Schnorbitz once fell into a swimming pool at Terry Scott’s house, only to be rescued by Barbara Windsor.’
Wikipedia (no reference provided)
I think that the Spectator is allowing the troll to post as Peter OF Maidstone without any restraint as a means of trying to punish me for setting up this site. On every threads there are identity theft posts which I have reported, but which the Spectator will not remove. I am considering whether there are legal avenues open to me since the Spectator only seems to act when threatened with the law.
Peter, I think there is some test case law about established online persona, around the fact that an established pseudonym related to an identifiable person/site can still be harassed and even libelled. This is related to cyber bullying and harassment. It is apparent from his previous activities that this person is a stalker. He often refers to individuals with whom he disagrees politically even when they have not posted comments and he certainly attributes pejoratives to them. We know that he lurks here and then mentions comments made here in discussion threads at the Spectator in very personal terms.
If you re-register at the Spectator with another name and publically report the fact here and there, then if the troll assumes that name it is arguably proof of stalking – e.g. harassment.
Peter (10.23)
Those who care know the difference, as for the others WTF? There’s no copyright on a blog moniker (it’s different anyway). As you’ve nicked footfalls from the Spec., I don’t suppose they feel they have to ‘moderate’ your semi-doppelganger or ask him to use a different name. Ignore him and soldier on. He’ll get bored, eventually, at the moment he’s probably enjoying your angst.
I think it does matter because it is part of an agenda and attitude that wishes to silence those on the right. Identity theft is the intent to misrepresent yourself as someone else, it is not in the detail of whether the representation is exact. I would be prosecuted for running a business called Microsoft Software Ltd, even if Microsoft itself was not called that exact name in the UK. Posting once or twice would be amusing perhaps, but consistently trying to occupy a space where I post, using a name that will be understood as being me, is part of a deliberate effort. It has been used on other people here, undoubtedly by the same person. I don’t think it should be laughed off, and the Spectator now seem to be willing to take some action.
I must say that the Speccie was decent enough to warn me that some person or persons was trying to clone me. Poor buggers, the creeps must have been deranged.
PfromM – You can’t copyright a name. You could get Peter from Maidstone made into a trademark and then you would be legally protected but, so far as I know, no one can copyright a name. Even if you could prove malicious intent by the malign lefty, I don’t think there’s anything you can you. You might try typing Peter from Maidstone(TM) and see what happens.
Nicholas has a good suggestion above at 11:30.
The advent of the internet has given opportunities for a whole new field of malignity. I am surprised that it is has not also given rise to a whole new breed of ambulance chasers.
You are right, P from M, that it is another fascist attempt to silence the sane, democratic right … bullying, because they do not have enough grey cells to fight rationally.
Peter (12.30)
I’m not suggesting that you ‘laugh it off’. I just wonder whether reacting to it is playing into the hands of the troll. What law of the land states that you can’t adopt a moniker similar to another commenter when you’re commenting on free websites with a comment facility?
The Speccy are obviously unsympathetic to your complaints – for obvious reasons: you set up in competition (serves ’em right btw, and anyway that’s your prerogative) but you can’t expect them to feel any obligation to you. You shafted them. The fact that they deserve it, because of their crappy software, is neither here nor there. As for calling upon an ‘officier of the leur’ or even civil law to regulate blog traffic because someone (who is quite obviously not you) is using a similar blog sobriquet to post comments – Oh Lordie! I thought we were all agreed that government ‘censorship’ of any kind is the last thing we want. The rough and tumble of the intertubes is what makes it entertaining. The regulars can recognise ringers when they try it on – by style and content.
We’ve outed multi-identity marauders time and time again. (Including our own dear Verity and Andy Car Park who both love to tease – and why not?)
Just sayin’ Peter. It’s a slippery slope – if you want the ‘sphere to be regulated in this regard, then it’s the thin end of the wedge. IMHO anarchy is a better option. If you were using your own proper name to post and someone purported to be you and represented you in a way which was deleterious to your interests, you might have some redress, but as it is, you’d be hard pressed to prove ‘harassment’. As for ‘silencing those of the right’ – they can only do that if those of the right stop posting. Haven’t noticed any quelling of ‘right wing’ noise, in either Coffee House. Au contraire!! (As Millicent Bucket – aka Boo-kay – would put it).
Andy Car Park,
Have you been “at it” again on Rod’s “Cat culling” thread?
(i.e. Cat trainer extraordinaire – D Edwards April 24th, @4:22pm)
I got spiked for suggesting it, but I guess the name wasn’t inventive enough to be you.
FrankP – No. I have never masqueraded as anyone else or ever tried to purloin someone else’s identity! Why would I? I’ve used different names, for fun … Florence of Arabia, for example when commenting on the sand fleas … or Baroness from Bad to Warsi on politics, but never with intent to deceive or mislead. So you are wrong there.
Verity, I think you misunderstand what identity theft is about. It is when one person is deliberately trying to pass themselves off as someone else. This is what the troll is doing. It is not a matter of copyright. There are other people called by my name, but to deliberately visit a website and pass yourself off as someone else is identity theft. It has nothing to do with censorship Frank P. If I started calling myself Frank P. and posted on the Spectator site seeking to pass myself off as you it would not be a jolly jape, it would be identity theft. The fact that I use a pseudonym does not seem to me to be relevant since it is still the means of recognising my identity. It is also part of the personal data which the Spectator holds about me, together with my realname and email address.
I would not allow posters here to start posting as others, and have had to stop the troll doing so. It is not a matter of agreeing with them or not. It is a matter of malicious intent. I don’t see how you can consider it censorship to object to a person passing themselves of as someone else. The troll is free to say what he wants, but he should not be allowed to say it while pretending to be someone else.
That said, I agree with Frank P. Anarchy is better. P from M, far better to reply with a post addressed to The Weak, Inferior P from M … and sign it with Peter from Maidstone (accept no substitutes!).
Or just coolly note that the fake post was not from you, as readers can readily deduce from its quality.
Something else is, you could alert us on this site and we could all race in and bash the imposter with cruel humour.
P from M – No. I do not misunderstand what identity theft is about. No one can copyright a name. You write: “It is when one person is deliberately trying to pass themselves off as someone else. ” I don’t believe there is any law against that, except if they are using the name to defraud.
I think the best solution is for you to inform us here and we will all go racing onto The Speccie site and make nuisances of ourselves until the Speccie bans posts from his/her computer.
P from M – If you can point us to a recent imposter post at The Speccie, we can all go racing over there and bash him about, making nuisances of ourselves to The Speccie, which inexplicably thinks it still carries weight as a political magazine.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/7806283/the-economy-adds-to-camerons-woes.thtml
The Spectator has now removed most of his posts. And in this thread telemachus’ admits it was him.
EC 14:26. Magnet though the cat thread seems to be for every nutter in the universe, not my handiwork, I’m afraid.
telemucous — well you could have knocked me over with a feather. I wonder why The Speccie is sill letting him post there, given that he is daft, illiterate and malicious.
Peter
My last word on this: don’t expect the Left to play by the Queensbury Rules. We are engaged in debunking the Left’s ideological message. We know they use subterfuge and bullshit and criminal methodology, including terrorism, to propagate their pernicious ideology, we who oppose them (from various standpoints – or ‘agendas’ as you put it) use ridicule and analysis, then adduce evidence of communist/socialist past atrocities; I have been engaged in fighting subversion and associated criminal activity for decades: on the streets, in the courts, via journalistic investigation and in recent years by using the ‘sphere to disseminate material that exposes both overt and covert activity of those with interests inimical to British interests. The personal abuse and calumny incurred as a result over the years, some of it very unpleasant indeed (at one stage necessitating debilitating personal protection and restrictions on my family’s movements) was the price one pays for resisting the scourge. Despite those encumbrances it was worth it to stand against the evil of communism, more so since it has joined in an unholy alliance with Islamic jihad. Peter OF Maidstone is the least of our adversaries; what we should be addressing is not the silly handmaidens of the enemy with their daft false identity games, but the members of our own Parliament who are colluding with foreign interests to remove our sovereign rights and open the flood gates to legal invasion by those who will conspire not only to to kill us if necessary, but to out-breed us at the same time. Demographics seems to be the major threat. Replacing the names of John, James and Nicholas with a predominance of Mohamed, Abdul and Ahmed within a couple of generations seems a much greater menace than using a similar blog nom-de-plume to express obviously contra-viewpoints is one of their more puerile methods, I would have thought. We’ve got your back – stop fretting and ignore the daft cunt.
I have posted two Conservative-oriented posts, which I signed as being posted from Telemachus. I will send another in 10 minutes or so, devoutly hoping for a Marie Le Pen win in France. Signed from Telemachus.
I also should affirm for the record that I have never attempted passing myself off as another poster. I had two very ephemeral alter-egos on old CH: Hildegard Hinxey, a humourless feminist, who posted twice in 2009 and attracted the slobbering attentions of arch-buffoon, Fergus Pickering, and Dmitri the Impostor, a Russian pisshead, who posted three times in December 2011 after the knuckle-grazing mods locked me out one afternoon. (An astute poster, either EC or salieri, rumbled me the second time. Harriet carried her bat.)
For those who think they may have been misrepresented, spare a thought for JB:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mcjet2MwUR0#!
Wicked. But then … all’s fair in love, war … and propaganda! The devil can’t be allowed to call all the tunes.
h/t vanderleun.
I posted two posts from Telemachus praising this site and conservatism and they lingered unposted (“awaiting moderation”) and have now been taken off the page. Last time I come to the aid of P from M.
I didn’t know that was you Verity and I always delete posts from the troll.
I hate his depressing message; but admire the way he phrases it and wouldn’t dare demur with a word of it, as I fear he speaks the truth that we must learn to accept very quickly or perish:
http://alexanderboot.com/content/europe-diseased-will-never-choose-real-austerity-%E2%80%93-until-there-no-choice
A taste: [speaking of Merkel] “The lady simply refuses to accept that the post-war West has suffered a genetic mutation, and it’s nothing short of catastrophic.
To put it bluntly, today’s governments can’t eliminate promiscuous spending because their survival depends on it. They haven’t just created a dependent class; they’ve created a dependent mentality, and for this disease there is no cure.”
But read it all, painful as it is to do so.
Frank P (April 25th – 19:40) –
Painful indeed and accurate too – but when you say that it is a truth that “we must learn to accept very quickly or perish” I think that even that is too optimistic.
I think that we are seeing not only the phenomenon of dependent mentality disease but also another – and indeed suicidal – phenomenon. It consists not just of widespread failure to understand – but, in the case of a great many people, consists also of an eagerness to assist in bringing about – the catastrophically retrogressive changes that Islam is determined to wreak.
Herbert T – the lefty fascists think that islam is a handy weapon with which to beat their enemies. Of course, they are mistaken, which would be a matter of really mega indifference to me if I didn’t know that the left is capable of taking everyone down with it.
That’s why we have to support every right wing politician in the world, whether we like them personally or not. Actually, I can’t think of a right wing politician I don’t like … And we should continue to militate against, and try to destroy, the left, which is an evil, malign, sinister mental illness.
The left are not normal.
Verity
Good evening Verity, I think your statement is very dangerous. How can the average man/woman judge who is right wing or really a bolshie pretending to be a right-winger? Hitler abandoned his socialist facade and assumed the mantle of an extreme right winger fighting the communists. Fear of Stalin and depression at the state their country was in, drove millions of Germans (average men and women) to support this monster. The average person is an ignorant being, interested in a full belly, money in his/her pocket, andf the latest football score or fashion handbag, etc. The people who participate on blogs are not ignorant, even the trolls have a higher political knowledge (which makes them dangerous) than Mr or Mrs Average. Unfortunately the left is very normal for the West, which seems bent on destroying itself. Except for a few enlightened souls, such as those who voted for Marine, they are running like leemings down the road of destruction. Cameron was believed to be right-wing, a tory, by the average British voter – look what we got!
AWK – There is something in what you say … although I believe decreasingly so … but I won’t argue with you.
But you say “the left is very normal for the West” and in a sense, as in stupid people are easily bullied, you are right. But Cameron, or Davie-Dim as he is, knew that he had to present himself as of the right in order to beat even Gordon Brown. They know there is a hunger for the right, which militates against your point that “the left is normal for the West” … and I believe that is not so … I believe “the little people” hunger for order and ordered progress … so Cameron & Co adopt a pantomime disguise, as did Dave who is really a lofty (“we know best for the little people”) lefty. Dave is a a patroising Bullingdon Boy who retains the out of date image of “the little people” being non-aspirational and begging for crumbs from the table. Meanwhile, Dave and his chums will get on with running the world.
Of course, Dave is too stupid to run the PR department of a failiing TV company, as we know, or think up a PR ruse that works. What he is doing as prime minister of a great nation is an absolute mystery to me. I also don’t see the point of Nick Clegg or George Osborne. None of them has the lightest tether to the lives of the people they hunger to govern.
Verity 25th, – 16:12
“Signed from Telemachus.”
Did you intentionally omit the apostrophe?
Somebody with a knowledge of Dutch politics put me right, but I didn’t think that Geert Wilders withdrew his vote from the Dutch government because as William Boot vulgarly writes “…he threw his toys out of the pram when the Dutch government tried to reduce public spending, or rather to slow down its growth”. My understanding is that his small party has the vote of a disproportionate number of Frank Van Ps whose slender assets Mr. Wilders did not consider right to be included as a proper target for “austerity” ordered by the European Union oligarchy as part an arbitrary 3% cut in public spending to be made across the board by every Eurozone country regardless of local conditions. He preferred to resign and called for new elections, risking as he did so by the way the lifting of the “ban the burqua” policy in Holland. Would that a “far right” leader in Britain, such as Mr. Clegg, would show similar principle. Mr. Boot may have a crystal ball which indicates that “the Netherlands is about to get a government just barely to the right of Castro’s” – this remains to be seen. It is possibly just as likely that Holland will express itself in a more anti-EU government than it has just had – aren’t some conservatives in England calling for a referendum on that question, or at least a general election to test the record of the Inanition?
As for the Germans “tightening their belts” in 1949 when Adenauer became Chancellor and ordered no deficit spending, wasn’t the deficit spending been largely done for him – by the Americans?
Now I’ll finish reading Mr. Boot’s article…
Alexander Boot, not William – apologies.
William Boot was of course the young nature journalist on the London Beast who became caught up in events larger than himself in North Africa when confused by his editor with a foreign correspondent with the same surname.
“Introducing real austerity anywhere in Europe will lead to social collapse; not introducing it will lead to economic collapse.”
If Mr. Boot takes that view, what exactly is the basis of his criticism of Geert Wilders?
I’m getting adverts for “Muslima.com:International Muslim Matrimonials”at the top of this page.Not sure they’re getting value from Google(if that’s who’se responsible.)
Radford NG
How many do they allow you?
This fuckin’ drought will drown the lot of us:
http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16215707
Malfleur, you are correct. Geert Wilders is an astute — and very brave (look at what happened to Pym Fortuyn) politician of the right. And Theo van He is seasoned and astute politician, and a patriot and does not “throw his toys out of his pram”. See him in this interview with Ezra Levant –
http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.mx/2011/05/geert-wilders-interview-with-sun-tvs.html
The missing surname above was supposed to be Dutch film-maker Theo van Gogh who was making a film about islam when he was murdered by … an islamic nut job from Morocco.
Austerity begins at [your] home:
“EU demands for an inflation-busting 7 per cent budget increase have been met with outrage by politicians.” (Daily Mail)
Meanwhile in Russia…
“Dagir Khasavov [a muslim lawyer] said in an interview with Ren-TV on Tuesday that any attempts to prevent the creation of Islamic law courts would end in “bloodshed” and a “second Dead Sea.”
“Muslims don’t want to get involved in the court system,” Khasavov said. “You think that we come here to Russia as to some foreign place. But we believe that we’re at home here. Perhaps you’re foreign and we’re at home. And we will institute rules that suit us, whether you want that or not.”
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/lawyer-calling-for-sharia-courts-to-be-checked-for-extremism/457578.html
Verity: Woke up in the middle of the night here, and read your posting in reply to mine. I still maintain what I wrote, but if one believes the average ‘little’ people want more, as you have written, than your hypothesis is correct. Verity, you have more hope for the Europeans than I do, and maybe it is because you don’t live here, and see things in a more optimistic light. To be honest, I’m pretty despondent, and wish you were right and I was wrong. I am inclined to follow Frank P’s belief that there is an insanity, a suicide yearning within the West. Let me be wrong.
They do love violent language and threats, do they not?
And violent behaviour. Like shooting dead Theodore Van Gogh as he rode his bicycle peacefully through the streets and over the bridges of the canals of Amsterdam. As they murdered Pym Fortuyn, outside a radio station in Hilversum. As they threatened to murder MP Ayaan Hirsi Ali, escapee from Somalia and an elected MP in the Dutch Parliament, who was working with Van Gogh on a movie called “Submission” … about the religion of peace, needless to say.
Hirsi Ali tried to continue her job after Van Gogh was murdered … but she had to be escorted to and from Parliament by the police. In the end, she wa sequestered in her apartment, where she had a treadmill installed because she couldn’t go out to walk. She couldn’t even go to the corner shop.
She eventually accepted a posiition at a think tank in the US.
So that was Pym Fortuyn, Theodore Van Gogh and Hirsi Ali gone. Three nuisances to islam.
This is a violent, primaeval sect (it developed out of moon worship – there wasn’t a lot to look at in the desert at night for thousands of years until Weserners brought the wonders of electricity) which appeals to violent, primitive people, and it should be outlawed in advanced countries.
Whilst the mad-eyed, ban everything, hysteria brigade of (mainly) Labour women MPs call for more stringent protection (e.g. nut, sledgehammer) to prevent children accessing pornography online Department of Health officials call for contraceptives to be made available without prescription to girls as young as thirteen.
Apparently you musn’t let them see it online but it’s ok for them to do it themselves. It’s verboten when it’s pornography online but it’s ok when it’s graphic sex education in primary school.
You couldn’t make this stuff up. Bonkers Britain.
Nicholas
April 26th, 2012 – 07:24
Ys, I read the article in the DM online, and for once sent a posting. Naturally, it wasn’t printed. I wrote that on the plus side, the increase in STDs would render the youngsters sterile. The two London boroughs where it is already in practice, include areas filled with residents from the Third World (to be polite). It could turn out to be self-culling, but unfortunately, the native chavs will jump on the bandwagon as it were, and only decrease the vanishing white population.
Hello all, I’ve been enjoying reading this troll-free wall, but too busy and too boring to contribute anything, and every time I’ve been tempted to say something I see that someone has already said it, only far more eloquently than I could.
At last, however, I’d like to add to Malfleur’s link,
“Meanwhile in Russia…
“Dagir Khasavov [a muslim lawyer] said in an interview with Ren-TV on Tuesday that any attempts to prevent the creation of Islamic law courts would end in “bloodshed” and a “second Dead Sea.”
– I followed this, and it seems this idiot lawyer has found friends and enemies.
Friends: Russia’s “Liberal” “pro-opposition” (Meaning US and EU puppets and muppets) radio station, Echo Moscow, invited the sicko in for an interview.
Enemies: According to the lawyer’s soppy son (“Daddy’s words were taken out of context”) the pro-Sharia Law lawyer turned up to receive some US/EU-style grovelling, but fled in terror, believing he was being hunted by “security” staff sent to get him by Chechen president Ramzan Kadyrov.
I think that the US, Canadian, UK, New Zealand and Australian governments should complain about Ramzan Kadyrov’s harrassment of a Moslem, and deem it a “hate crime” – and they should all go to Chechnya in person to make a citizen’s arrest
Alexander Boot is on top form again today:
http://alexanderboot.com/content/globalised-people-do-learn-one-another-alas-all-wrong-things
Verity
You often refer to Carlton Television in relation to our weak Prime Minister as a failed company. It wasn’t a failed company in the financial sense – it grew bigger and bigger and eventually bought half the ITV network and transformed what was a network of commercial affiliate stations into one homogenous, boring channel called ITV.
This would be the equivalent of Obama doing CBS’s PR for a few years and then CBS buying every affiliate in every state of the USA so that the TV schedule in Honolulu was exactly the same as that in, say, Hoboken. Bland.
I think when referring to his time at Carlton it is this fact which should be mentioned: we used to have some very quaint and interesting regional commercial television companies in the UK, like the Americans still enjoy with their affiliate stations.
Remember Granada TV, Thames TV, Yorkshire TV, Anglia TV, ATV and so on? Each ITV region was designed to suit the tastes of the regional audience. London’s local programming would be about city life whilst Yorkshire’s own programmes would be about farming, for example.
David Cameron’s evil Carlton Television pushed and pushed to change the laws that prevented these individual and quaint commercial TV companies from merging and eventually won, and now we have “ITV”, trite rubbish all day long, with no remit to cater for regional tastes within the UK.
Pat Condell on Israel and the UN (2 weeks ago)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpXMe_R2BZk
(Frank P: I agree. He hasn’t looked too chipper on his last two vids, but the content brilliant.)
Cancer Research UK’s research is crap. You could show any kind of packaging to kids in a room and get them to discuss what attracts them the most. Baked Bean tins, colouring books, beer bottles, political party logos, Olympics strips, airline colour schemes.
As usual a potty idea, a sledgehammer to crack a nut, proposed using the emotional blackmail of protecting kids as though parents and shop owners have no responsibility whatsoever to prevent them from smoking too young. And no doubt the nutters who dreamt this one up are those earnest, mad-eyed types with a cause that plague us so much from their lucrative, taxpayer funded quangos and fake charities. They really have it all. Fat salaries, perks, a nice smug feeling of doing good, un-challenging media exposure (regardless of the unmitigated shit they spout) and the opportunity to boss everyone else around. The only snag for them is keeping the money rolling in by ever extending the remit of what is bad for us and what needs banning. The crass stupidity of the government and general population helps in this endeavour.
PS I don’t smoke.
Re: Cameron & Carlton & other activities/jobs etc.
From the Daily Mail (17/03/2007)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-442913/The-faces-Mr-Cameron.html
May the farce be with you!
So, George Galloway is a Muslim.
I suppose one could’ve inferred that from his unsavoury spoutings, but this adds a new, unsettling dimension to the man, his ambitions and the politics of jihad.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomchiversscience/100153712/george-galloways-muslim-conversion-why-the-big-secret/
Re Galloway – I can’t say I’m surprised as I suspected as much.
But it is clear now that his political stance is essentially religious and sectarian, whether opportunist or not, which is probably why he wanted to conceal it. We haven’t had sectarian religious intolerance seeking to secure political power in this country since – when – the Tudor period? So Respect sheds the mask and is now the party that represents the Leftist/Islamist alliance.
In the forthcoming struggle between Britain and encroaching evil (again) Galloway is the new Mosley. Unfortunately we still don’t have a Churchill.
There was an interesting post about Good Time George on EU Referendum last week by one of the regulars, Jonathan. See post at 20.04.12 2:35 pm in the attached, which I found provisionally informative (ie subject to due diligence bla bla).
http://umbrellog.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1010476
EC 12:31 – “A bit like the man who buys Playboy magazine for the interviews, Cameron seems to have gone to the Bullingdon for the conversation. (EC: ROFLMAO!)”
Thanks for the first laugh of the day! And I was only on my first cup of tea.
Thanks also for the biographical info on this little nit. He has not made his own way in the world in any area whatsoever. Unlike David Davis. Or Nadine Dorris. Or Dr David Kelly. He’s been a cheap little parasite from the minute he was born.
I didn’t realise he’d lived in Hongkers, though. That should have given him a wordly, sophisticated outlook … although it clearly didn’t. Perhaps he was there when Chris Patten was the last Governor.
Anyway, David Camero is a sly, nasty piece of work on the same level as Tony Blair.
The fact that Galloway, pint-sized pot of poisonous piss from ‘Tipperary’, Dundee, will adopt any subterfuge, or political or religious pretence to keep his face in the public arena has been obvious for many years. It is also manifestly clear that his cunning enables him to mysteriously make money in various ways in the process without getting his collar felt. One may resent it, but the fact that he does those things with apparent ease is the least disturbing aspect of the Galloway phenomenon.
What is deeply depressing is that he could contrive to get enough people in an English constituency to vote him into the House of Commons. It appears to be one of the benchmarks English stupidity if indeed one can still refer to Bradford as ‘English’.
But look who’s talking – I voted in the last general election for the political party that had as it’s ‘leader’ one David Cameron – another of Scottish lineage; and I did so in the full knowledge of the facts enumerated in EC’s post of 12:31 today. My excuse was that the country needed to remove from its helm yet another Scotsman, whose interests and baleful actions were inimical to English interests and culture.
Then throughout this very morning, watching yet another bag of Scottish piss, blood and bile, nurtured in Oz and further cultured in America, taunting the English Establishment with a cocktail of arrogance, commercial cunning and cod contrition, I wonder whether or not we English are missing a vital causative element in what appears to be the English disease? Is there a common thread somewhere among these apparently unconnected data, or at least a diagnostic clue?
I was just scrolling up and caught this from Frank P … ” … Galloway, pint-sized pot of poisonous piss …” and thought it worthy of an immediate repeat.
@V
I don’t think Frank likes him?
Tony Blair is the more likeable and talented of the two, within the Johnsonian constraints about precedence between lice and fleas.
1. At least Tony Blair showed signs of a youthful political philosophy, however callow and nebulous, as witnessed by his rambling letter to Michael Foot.
2. Tony Blair could play the guitar and even sing a little, as he did as the lead singer for undergraduate rock band, ‘Ugly Rumours’. Cameron, if the recollections of his contemporaries are worthy of credence, could only play the drums on biscuit tins and play a little ‘air’ guitar, neither of which require any great musical acumen, even if attempted simultaneously.
Andy Car Park 26th, – 16:21
Funny that. Those two ‘positive’ aspects of Bliar that you quote?
I’d rate ’em as negatives.
Frank P and Verity: This isn’t really a posting, just a wish. I wish George Gsalloway would be attacked by one of his fellow muslims and suffer, but slowly the fate of King Edward 11.
With regard to the post from EC at 12:31.
Like some here I found it both interesting and informative and for his research I thank EC.
I voted conservative at the last election (I have never voted for another party) in the full knowledge that Cameron was not my kind of conservative but for reasons that were very similar to those expressed by Frank P at 15:31.
Since then I have made (in my own mind) excuse after excuse for David Cameron’s lack of back bone and also his decidedly wishy-washy approach to all things conservative and I will be voting UKIP at the May elections.
That said I am a little disturbed that some are criticising him, his family and his contacts, for them making the most of his advantages, for using connections to help him advance and for him to take advantage where and whenever he could.
Surely it is a human trait to seek the best for our offspring, don’t we all do it?
In the 2010 General Election many were forced to vote for the least worst option. Where I currently live, Jeremy Hunt was the only credible candidate. He is thought of locally as quite a good constituency MP. The current hoo-hah has been blown out of all proportion.
Andy Carpark makes some very fair academic points.
But one point of absolute parity is, they both married bow wows.
Austin Barry,
To arms! Gird up thy loins and fortify thyself with thy favourite tipple.
Two out of the four women that you named in your nightmare team of nude beach volley ball players (Hell’s Harpies) are on QT tonight! Diane Abbott and Polly Toynbee. Arrgh!
EC
Isn’t Rupe on the QT panel tonight? You would have thought, as he’s here, someone could’ve booked him. Or Perhaps Neil already got him for “This Week”?
David Ossitt @17:02
David, I am not criticising Cameron for playing the hand he was dealt to his maximum advantage. Good for him.
This is probably sour grapes on my part, but for the hoi polloi, like myself, who (used to) have to fill out endless application forms, attend competitive interviews, carefully answer questions on equality and fucking diversity in order to satisfy some numb-ass HR wonk – before you ever get to any job related questions then it can be slightly galling – particularly when Cameron comes out with his trite platitudes. eg. “We’re all in this together.”
Frank P,
QT:
“On the panel: Employment Minister Chris Grayling MP, Shadow Health Minister Diane Abbott MP, Deputy Leader of the Liberal Democrats Simon Hughes MP, UK Independence Party Leader Nigel Farage MEP and Guardian columnist Polly Toynbee”
This Week:
“A political review of the week presented by Andrew Neil, with Michael Portillo, Gisela Stewart and guests.”
EC 26 April – 17:20
Thank you for the warning.
I shall have agitated recourse to a few nips of Talisker to brace myself for the event.
I do hope Diane doesn’t employ that strangely seductive eye-rolling in Dimbleby’s direction. As an ex-member of the Bullingdon Club, David may be seized with an uncontrollable urge to debag Diane, upend Polly Toynbee and urinate in a far-flung corner of the studio. If only Bonnie Greer could join the panel my evening would be complete.
I shall prepare for strange nightmares and ensure that my giant holdall and padlock are well beyond reach.
EC
QT: I was joking – but yours is much funnier – albeit factual!
Verity @ 17:10
Ah but one of them made his millions by taking his wife out on a lead, truffle hunting on weekends. 🙂
EC —- Could people PLEASE stop referring derisively to “the” hoi polloi, under the iimpression that “hoi” is an adjective meaning “lower” or “common” or something. IT IS THE DEFINITE ARTICLE! Hoi (the) polloi (people). This drives me crazeeeeee!
EC
“David, I am not criticising Cameron for playing the hand he was dealt to his maximum advantage. Good for him.”
Hello EC, not for one moment did I think that you were.
However so many; particularly those from the left preach the politics of envy.
Former Liberian leader Charles Taylor has been convicted and is going to prison. Britain, busy as usual and concerned with primitives killing each other, has announced that Taylor will serve his prison sentence in England, at the expense of Britain. How lucky for him, a nice cell with TV and all mod conveniences, and a menu probably tailored for him, even if ‘bush meat’ cannot be provided. But, and here is the rub, the best thing is that prison sentences here are always cut at least in half, and afterwards, no doubt, Taylor will be provided with a mansion, like Hook-Hand Abi Hamza has, and benefits to keep him in the style he has grown used to.
I see that Guido has leaked Gabe Trodd’s notes to Diane Abbott for her appearance on QT this evening. Nothing about eye-rolling, rank hypocrisy or racism against ol’ paleface, but she is reminded to use her questioner’s first names and not to keep looking down at her briefing notes. Should be amusing.
Polly Toynbee on QT seems to be wearing a jacket fashioned from deckchair off-cuts, It’s rather fetching.
While following Austin Barry’s reference to Guido Fawkes and then some I came across a commenter who linked to an issue of London Patriot last year which carried a piece by a former BBC news reader, Peter Sisson.
For those who also missed his insight into Beeb culture last year, I think it’s worth reading. Here’s a taste:
“The BBC’s ability to position itself, to decide for itself on which side its bread is buttered, is what it calls its independence.”
http://www.londonpatriot.org/2011/01/23/left-wing-biased-bbc-by-john-sissons-a-journalist/
Why is QT not available online as a “BBC iPlayer TV programme” outside the UK? Would it wreck the world market for the product to allow it to go out free of charge?
Re Jeremy Hunt:
“Perhaps James Naughtie was right after all?”
From a letter in Thursday’s ‘Torygraph’.
Austin Barry
Actually, Austin, I thought it was Joseph’s Coat of Many Colours. It did not distract from most of the rubbish, Polly an Armchair Socialist spouted. Apart from Nigel Farange, who spoke well, was sane, bright and worth listening to, the rest were a bunch of idiots. By the way, the eye-rolling daughter of Idi Amin is starting to sprout a little moustache.
Farage – apologies for typing error.
“By the way, the eye-rolling daughter of Idi Amin is starting to sprout a little moustache.”
Yerrrss … I mistook her for Trevor MacDonald for the first few minutes and thought, “He’s put on weight.”
Frank P – Just poured a drink and read your comment 10:38 . Ha ha ha ha! A laugh! Great way to start the evening! (Thank you, too, AWK, for the feline contribution about Idi(ot) Amin’s daughter.)
She certainly is ugly.
P from M – Just to keep you informed. The ads at the top of the page on my computer seem to have given up on assuring me that I can get pregnant if I’ll only take their tips, and are now trying to sell me on “brain games”.
Of the two, the brains games option is the preferred.
Difficult decision.
Who to believe – an Australian media tycoon, hated by the left, the BBC and that bit of the press he doesn’t control or a one-eyed Scottish bigot who lied to us every budget day for 13 years and has had a massive sulk on since we took his toys off him and fucked him and Labour off out of office?
Well, if you pick the latter, I guess you still believe in Santa and the Tooth Fairy as well.
I notice the MSM getting all worked up into a state of righteus pity over a baby from Pakistan born with three arms.
All the better to grab benefits/foreign aid with. Expect them all to be coming out like that in a few years time.
Oh, the joys of inbreeding and the never-ending love Allah (pissbeuponhim) showers on his followers!
Can anyone suggest a way of persuading the English that taking their clothes off in public isn’t daring, interesting or entertaining? Their constant stripping off, always with a wry, self-regarding moué inviting others to admire their trite “originality”, tingles the spine. And the excuse for the exhibitionism is always “charity”. Why do they think their cod “daring” would inspire contributions?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2135306/London-2012-Olympics-Campaigners-strip-blood-donor-appeal.html
God, now they’ve got the Olympics to hang their exhibitionism on! Expect more of this.
moué?
SIGN IN A STORE WINDOW.
‘WE WOULD RATHER DO BUSINESS WITH 1000 AL QAEDA TERRORISTS THAN WITH ONE SINGLE BRITISH SOLDIER!’
This sign was prominently displayed in the window of a business in Campbeltown, Scotland rather than in Bradford or Luton, where you might expect it.
You are probably outraged at the thought of such an inflammatory statement.
However, we are a society which holds Freedom of Speech as perhaps our greatest liberty.
After all, it is ONLY A SIGN.
You may say ‘What kind of business would dare to post such a sign?’
Answer:
A FUNERAL PARLOUR.
(WHO SAID UNDERTAKERS HAVE NO SENSE OF HUMOUR?)
Contemplating the likely release a few days hence of Conrad (or Lord if you prefer) Black from his unjust imprisonment at the hands of the American so-called Justice system, I Googled his name – and was pleased to read that he appears to be in fine form and in good heart –
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/conrad-black/conrad-black-book_b_983065.html
Herbert Thornton
Thanks for that timely and welcome link. Lord Black’s facts and figures on the criminal justice system in the USA make a nonsense, it seems to me for example, of certain person’s “trains are running on time” notion of crime-free Texas.
All of us here, I believe, will be celebrating Lord Black’s resilience and his release from prison on May 5th. I hope steps will then be possible on his part to reclaim ownership of the Spectator, presently under such dreary management by the carpet baggers and their minion.
I also hope that some message can be got to him of our support, insignificant though it be, of our admiration for the man and his writing, and a message coupled with a hope that he might be able to share a short one-off blog with the Not-the-Spectator Coffee House Wall.
Malfleur – I second every word. I wish Lord Black a long and contented free life, and to those who persecuted him with such brutal and malignant injustice, I hope similar brutality, in whatever form, strikes you and your families.
Malfleur, yes I should have typed moue.
QT:
As soon as Nigel Farage wanted to speak about the impact of immigration on the bill for housing benefits he was howled down from all sides, both panel and audience. Without exception they were all ghastly people (lefties) wanting to build utopia with YOUR money. Proves that Nigel was telling the truth.
Whilst Abbott & Co were claiming that most housing benefit went to the ‘working poor’ they forgot to mention that the threshold to be considered as “working” is only 16 hours per week – then everything else is topped up and paid for. Hence that Romanian ‘Big Issue’ seller in Bristol and her four kids gets £26K per year plus free schooling and medical care. Good to see Abbott stumped by the very articulate coloured woman in the audience. I do wish that La La Toynbee would social cleanse herself off back to her villa in Tuscany/Chiantishire or wherever it is. Also, I hope that the British olympic committee have entered Simon Hughes in the Bullshitting event – a guaranteed gold medal.
I thought Nigel Farage was pleasantly assertive on last night’s QT. When he pointed out that large scale immigration had contributed to London’s housing shortage, there were yelps of anguished audience anger, gasps as others voided their bowels or committed harakiri in shock and a palpable, if misplaced, sense that Nigel had committed some H.M. Bateman-style outrage. In other words, exactly what one would expect from a typical, bien-pensant, social-workers-on-a-night-out QT audience.
EC – Amazing, and slightly spooky, synchronicity.
Don’t bother with this image if you are easily upset, but it is one I was pointed to this morning by a friend of Armenian Orthodox Christians being crucified during their genocide by the Turks. This act cannot easily be excused as simply being the fog of war etc. This was only 100 years ago, not in mediaeval times.
http://mychristianblood.blogspirit.com/media/02/02/3399279216.jpg
Have we got any units in Norfolk?
A church has just been stopped from using a market stall because it was distributing, among many other things, a leaflet entitled ‘Why not Islam?’, which the council have decided was hate-speech, even though the police, after a thorough investigation of all the seditious material the Church was offering, decided that no crime had been committed.
http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/news/norwich_church_banned_from_using_market_stall_after_complaints_about_hate_related_leaflets_1_1348657
Who is it who makes these decisions on our behalf? I am trying to find the member of the council responsible.
http://alexanderboot.com/content/economy-running-aground-%E2%80%93-full-speed-ahead-says-dave
‘I see that Guido has leaked Gabe Trodd’s notes to Diane Abbott for her appearance on QT … she is reminded to use her questioner’s first names and not to keep looking down at her briefing notes.’ AB 21:54
Don’t look at these, notes. OK, Diane? Don’t look at these notes!
This would have been worthy of inclusion in the fourteenth century classic, ‘Sophismata’ by Jean Buridan. If EC had been in the audience (if my grandmother had had wheels …) he could have asked her to hold up her notes.
Hold up your notes!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_Dm5WdOpFE
Frank P
April 27th, 2012 – 00:38
Frank, was feeling grotty until I saw your posting. Had a good laugh!
Chalk one up for the good guys:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/9230720/Blind-Chinese-activist-safe-after-escaping-house-arrest.html
However:
“”He is really worried about his wife, child and mother now he has escaped. He is scared the guards will take revenge now he has escaped. The guards have beaten his old mother this year. They broke some of his wife’s bones which have yet to heal.” ” (ibid.)
petertheodore1963
Can we activate AWK 1 and Frank P to identify these Councillors and the Council’s email address so that we can shine a light on their dark hole?
The following appears to be the first step: http://www.norwich.gov.uk/DoItOnline/Pages/DoItOnline.aspx
Getting close:
http://britishfreedom.org/bf-anti-mosque-campaigner-on-bbc-radio-norfolk/
http://britishfreedom.org/british-freedom-oppose-kings-lynn-mosque-plan/
Why is my last post ‘awaiting moderation’, Peter. I don’t wait on doorsteps while the occupant peeps through the curtains. If I’m not welcome, say so and I’ll find another hole.
Interesting piece…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2135434/Outrage-Egypt-plans-farewell-intercourse-law-husbands-sex-dead-wives-hours-AFTER-death.html
Frank, I appreciate you a lot but I wish you wouldn’t get all aggressive at the slightest thing. When two or more links are in a post it goes automatically into moderation and when I visit the site next, as I do frequently, then I deal with it.
Just sayin’
Grrrr!! Feckin’ watch it!
I think Frank P is all psyched up to contact the Norwich City Council.
petertheodore1963 @11:40
Cool!
Malfleur
April 27th, 2012 – 11:17
I’m a busy person. Suggest you do your own research – start off going to source Norwich Council. Good luck!
petertheodore1963
April 27th, 2012 – 11:40
Is a sock filled with chopped liver too Jewish? How about minced camel?
petertheodore1963 @11:40am
BIZARRE !
I imagine Sharia Law will be in Britain would delight George Galloway! It is very democratic for the barbarians as widows can have the same rights as widowers.
Outrage as Egypt plans ‘farewell intercourse law’ so husbands can have sex with DEAD wives up to six hours after their death
By Lee Moran
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2135434/Outrage-Egypt-plans-farewell-intercourse-law-husbands-sex-dead-wives-hours-AFTER-death.html#ixzz1tF71hQDR
Anne,
It wouldn’t be possible the other way around – not unless rigor mortis affects all parts of the corpse!
Frank P @11:35
They all scoffed last year when we drew the nation’s attention to the Ely mosque planned on Paradise Fields recreation ground. Now less than a year later, up the A10, the jihad arrives in King’s Lynn.
‘A bit like the man who buys Playboy magazine for the interviews, Cameron seems to have gone to the Bullingdon for the conversation.’
It’s not all tits and interviews. The story by Jorge Luis Borges, ‘The Other’, in which the Argentinian magus meets his younger self on a park bench, was first published in Playboy in 1972. (Strange … but True !!!)
EC 8:01 — “Without exception they were all ghastly people (lefties) wanting to build utopia with YOUR money. ” Wrong.
“… build themselves empires of influence and dependenciesof of grateful (alien) peasants with YOUR money.” Correct. Fixed it.
EC
April 27th, 2012 – 13:32
EC, they never cease to amaze (horrify) us.
Nicholas and Fank P.
Are you familiar with “The Art of War” by Sun Tzu?
“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles.”
Or alternatively, “History of the Peloponnesian War” by Thucydides? The real Thucydides that is. No’ the mentula over at the other place!:-)
“And when people are entering upon a war they do things the wrong way around. Action comes first, and it is only when they have already suffered that they begin to think”
I take issue, for once, with some of the content of Alexander Boot’s latest blog post: “Democracy in action: death doth not them part in Egypt” :
http://alexanderboot.com/content/democracy-action-death-doth-not-them-part-egypt
when he asserts that it is the Neocons in the US of A who are mainly responsible for America’s frenetic attempts to democratize the Arab world. Most neocons with whom I converse and correspond understand that the ‘Arab Spring’ is indeed orchestrated by Yusuf Al-Qaradawi and his Brotherhood who have no more interest in democracy than , well … David Cameron, for example, who seems content to leave our nation in the thrall of the Bastards of Brussels Bureaucracy – and indeed to use our extortionate taxes to prop up the wounded, stumbling and very undemocratic EU behemoth.
I would have thought that the Obamites were more than a little responsible for the resources and succour provided to the legions of the MB in the Middle East.
But Mr Boot does elicit some quirky and entertaining snippets in his exposition, as always. For instance, and I quote,
“… For democracy is the neocon God, and God never fails – never mind all those democratically elected Hitlers, Peróns, Mugabes, Putins and Macîas Nguemas (who gratefully murdered a third of Equatorial Guinea’s population that had voted him in). Nor will the God of democracy fail those A-rabs – a voting booth is all they need to become Western, if not quite Midwestern yet.
In the light of that one wonders how the neocon press will cover the news that Egypt’s parliament is about to pass a law allowing men to have sex with their dead wives for up to six hours after their death. I struggle to think of a way in which such developments show a closer proximity of Egyptians to the West – unless one wishes to suggest maliciously and falsely that the ensuing acts will be ballistically similar to those practised by some proper English ladies.”
One wonders, in the light of some of Alexander’s recent posts, whether his experiences with the fair sex have not always been positive and if not, perhaps it is a little unfair to take it out on the Neocons among our American cousins?
But read it all and decide whether or not I am misinterpreting his thesis.
Kennybhoy (16:28)
Not sure whether that is a general admonition of Nicholas and me, or a specific rebuttal of something we have disparately or jointly espoused. Or indeed your concurrence on some issue we have filleted heretofor? Elucidate! I’m always open to strategic and tactical advice, though often slow on the uptake, I confess, being a cautious type. Mind you, given the current state of Greece I’m a little reluctant to pay much heed to the words of their Hellenic forebears, most of whom, despite their recorded claims of heroic, intrepid deeds, seemed a little light on their loafers if history is to be believed at all.
However some of my best friends are Scottish (would you believe). In fact some of my my most stalwart sidekicks on the front line of the culture wars hailed from north of the border (as indeed did many of my best snouts).
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/297075/arab-spring-young-mans-fancy-turns-mark-steyn
Frank P … to save me the trouble of readig Mo’s (Pïss Be Upon Him) thinking on post mortem sex, could you just give us a brief briefing on what brought this on? Was Frank Sinatra on the stereo somewhere singing “One More for The Road”?
Frank P – Agree, it wasn’t the Neocons in the US. It was the hard left. The Clintons, Nancy Pelosi, all that crew. It is the left that is destructive … worldwide, it is always the left causing the damage. Leftism is a sickness. You only have to look at Obama to see he is not well. Same with David Cameron, Jack Straw, Tony Blair, Cherie Blair, etc.
OMG! I just read that it’s called the Farewell Intercourse Law!
And why six hours? What if it’s eight hours? Who’s going to report him? What is the venue to be? The marital home, in a country where bodies decompose quickly, or the morgue? Are they going to have marital suites in the morgues, for privacy?
EC (17:27)
Moreover, you will note that the proposition also encompasses the same rights for women, vis-a-vis their recently departed spouses.
Now … if many memory serves me right, my forensic lectures of yesteryear indicated that rigor mortis depends on a number of factors and may well not occur for more than six hours; also one of the indicators of sudden death is a last act of defecation. So once again in Islamic practices, women would appear to be disadvantaged – or to put it another way, get the shitty end of the stick.
Gives a whole new connotation to the phrase ‘getting a stiffey’, don’t you think?
Verity
Last rights (rites),
We could have a disgusting competition for suitable titles. :=)
Come on, baby, light my pyre.
Verity (17:37)
“One more for the road.”
Wicked!
18:08
Even worse.
Probably requires another definition in the OED in relation to ‘necking’, too.
Come on, baby, light my pyre.
Love it!!!
Frank P
April 27th, 2012 – 17:56
DISGUSTING!!!!!
🙂
Why doesn’t my smiley face go yellow anymore?
Memories are made of this:
http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/american_studies/pictures_of_the_gone_worl_1.php
Anne Wotana Kaye 1
“We could have a disgusting competition for suitable titles. :=)”
I was trying to find something suitable by Cat Stevens (aka Steven Demetre Georgiou, aka Yusuf Islam) but more from him later.
In the meantime how about ….
Barry White: “I love you, Just the way you are. ”
Stevie Wonder: “Isn’t she lovely.”
Pussycat Dolls?: “dontcha wish your girlfriend was hot like me”
Couldn’t find “Knocking on heaven’s door” by ‘The Cat’ on YouTube but here to play us out is Cat Stevens singing about a very cold, motionless lady indeed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjfI3uSN8DQ
Nice song, actually.
I’m sure all the Europhiles here will be delighted to learn that Europe Day will soon be upon us – twice, in fact: May 5 and May 9.
To help you celebrate in style, Somebody called Lady Euro has put some suitable flags, logos etc online. You can download artwork to let the world know how you feel about the EU here: http://www.onetwo.dsl.pipex.com/LadyEuro/
(I can’t help feeling that this site isn’t an official EU organ.)
May 5, of course, is the day before the Greek election. That is, if the Greeks are actually going to get one: see The Slog, a seeming very well-informed commentator on EU matters that often don’t make the msm:
https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2012/04/27/euroblown-suspicions-grow-as-papademos-government-may-have-to-delay-elections/
“May 5, of course, is the day before the Greek election.”
Of course.
“One more for the road”?
Shouldn’t that have been “One more for the broad by Frank’s in at ‘er ah..”?
EC:
Off to bed early, but wanted to say what a pity it was that Cat Stevens went bonkers.
Herbert T (21:02)
After that, I think we should call the undertaker, don’t you?
…and now to more serious matters: Germany owns 90% of French government debt.
Cat Stevens went bonkers?
“May 5, of course, is the day before the Greek election.”
So on May 6th they have intelcourse?
Well, supposedry, … unress they’ve been totarry sclewed by the tloika.
Appallentry
Here, from Chicago Boyz, is an absolutely excellent article on the strength and concentration of our ancestors. Here is a coalminer and his family from S Wales who made it to Utah before Utah had become the 45th state of the US. The wife carried 50 lbs of flour up a mountain on her back because her family needed bread. The strength and determination of the people from Britain, and other countries, who settled what is now the United States should never be forgotten. One looks at them and looks at Obama in dismay.
http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/29473.html#more-29473
The piece is well written and has some piercing comments. Feel free to comment yourselves if so moved.
AWK 1 @ 12:14
It is unfortunate that someone not too busy to contact a local council with complaints that it was unfairly attempting to deprive someone of his vegetable allotment is two weeks’ later too busy to contact another council about its attempts to deprive a church of its right to raise questions about islam. That’s modern England for you, I guess.
A sheriff by the name of McMenamin, in Scotland, has grabbed, slavvering at the mouth with self-righteousness, a Scotswoman who made a desparaging remark about an English person and fined her for “hurling racist abuse”.
Mr McMenamin apparently does not understand that the Scotswoman and the English person are the same race: Caucasian.
Why on earth are such ignorant people sitting on a bench? Does this slavvering idiot know that there are only five races and “English” and “Scots” are not two of them? He probably thinks that two more of the five are “Welsh” and “Irish”, leaving just one race available for the rest of the billions of humas living elsewhere.
I am going to contact this moron.
Malfleur, let me know which church and who to contact and I’ll be there. I was one of the ones who ganged up on the councillor allotment-holder’s councillor husband.
Sorry, this is the link to the above idiot:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2136246/Scottish-great-grandmother-accused-racism-calling-man-English-t-row-parking-space.html
McMenamin is president of The Part Time Sheriffs Association.
More comedy gold!
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/7811178/my-view-is-what-the-prime-ministers-view-is.thtml
Malfleur
Who the hell are you to tell others what to do? You don’t know what I’m involved in at the present, and you certainly do not know anything about my personal responsibilities. Kindly do not post to me, I dislike your tone.
Verity 0209-The whole world is now focusing on the wonder of Utah. Brigham Young took his followers there and spawned the great Romney who will smash Obama.
I see Murdoch is still running the UK. A quick snipe from Sunny Jim and the Coalition are in disarray. This morning it is the turn of Murdoch to use Leveson to make both Clegg and Cameron look stupid. Serves Cameron right for turning on Murdoch when down in an effort to smash his US media empire. My advisers see it all as a Financial times plot to screw the Wall Street Journal.
Malfleur
April 27th, 2012 – 22:29
I guess some might consider the French defaulting as revenge for WW1 & 2, but then, most of the French were happily on the same side as they have considtently proven over the intervening period.
There were some noticeably heroic exceptions but the majority of the French (as the recently -released film of Paris under the Germans showed) were, at best, indifferent to the occupation and, at worst, active collaborators.
With 30% of the EU’s unemployed being Spanish, it can only be a short time before the whole Franco-German attempt to take over Europe ends in tears and, quite possibly, bloodshed on a Syrian scale!
Verity
Here is the link to the Church
http://www.nrchurch.co.nr/
Here is the link on that site to the Norwich Reformed Church’s “The Islam Debate” which includes a hands-on historical view: http://nrchurch.limewebs.com/islam1.htm
This is the website of the Farthing Trust with which the church is associated: http://www.charitiesdirect.com/charities/farthing-trust-268066.html
Here for your convenience is the BBC report on the story on the Norwich City Council’s ban on the Church distributing its pamphlet on Islam: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-17733162
Norwich City Council’s website is at: http://www.norwich.gov.uk/Pages/Home.aspx
This page on the Council’s site lists the Councillors and includes the usual telling photographs:
http://www.norwich.gov.uk/YourCouncil/CouncillorsDemocracyAndElections/Councillors/Pages/FullListOfCouncillors.aspx
I have no connection with the Norwich Reformed Church. I think this is a free speech issue, a political correctness issue,an English Culture Preservation Society issue and a roll the dolphins issue.
Oh, and I almost forgot – the Norwich & Norfolk Muslim Association (with news included of an up and coming “Community Center”):
http://www.norwichmuslims.org.uk/
Clear Memories
I have read that the Germans have told the French to get out of the Euro. What is on the cards seems to be France as German protectorate.
Are you going to be able to re-post your blog on islam and the Hindus by the way?
AWK 1
Keep your shirt on!
Malfleur
April 28th, 2012 – 10:50
I’ll repost at the start of the new wall unless the Site Administrator requests I don’t – all other posts seem to have been resurrected and I don’t wish to see the site crashed again.
You can download it from my blog
http://clear-memories-tentacles.blogspot.com.au/
anytime you wish. They can attack the blog, I’ll just start another, and where I live, muzzies standout a mile. not many folk around here stick their arses in the air on a regular basis.
I am hoping that my detailed response to Verity’s post at 02.43 has not yet appeared simply because, as it contained more than one link, it is still awaiting moderation.
In the meantime, Yes Siree Bob! Ain’t this just what we was sayin’?:
“Militant Islam has far more in common with Nazism and Communism than it does with any genuine religious faith.”
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/04/three_murderous_ideologies_nazism_communism_and_militant_islam.html#ixzz1tKu6zTPC
“Militant Islam has far more in common with Nazism and Communism than it does with any genuine religious faith.”
Why the weasel words, softening the message? “Militant” (de trop, there is no other kind, except the Sufis and they are not aggressing against anyone) islam is what this vile belief system is all about. Mohammad, this diety’s “prophet” was a violent, nutso, psychopathic paedophile. Mo assumed domain over all women by promising young, violent jihadi nutjobs 72 virgins. The virgins didn’t get a say in who was to rape them. And “rivers of wine” despite forbidding them alcohol while they were alive. Kill for allah and you can get a drink and a girl around here!!!
allah, mo’, 72 virgins and “rivers of wine” make Jim Jones look like the rational option.
Clear Memories 28th, – 11:48
“not many folk around here stick their arses in the air on a regular basis.”
Is there a particular risk in doing that in Queensland?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2136289/Tottenham-Court-Road-bomb-scare-reveals-police-team-preparing-London-2012-Olympics.html#comments
It has only taken one lifetime to destroy Britain. From a haven of civility to a brutal, end of the world scenario.
Was there a turning point? If so, what was it?
I think that things were normal in Britain until Blair slithered under the mantle of Downing Street harbouring a malign determination to destroy the country. It was Blair who systemically dismantled all the underpinnings of our civilisation.
Tony Blair was very set on getting the Olympics for London. Paris had it in the bag and Blair made the bizarre trip all the way down to Singapore, to get the Olympics Committee to change their mind.
Why? Certainly not a love of London as they live, I think, elsewhere and neither of them is from London. I always thought Blair looked malign and crazy.
My God, Malfleur! Norwich has 37 town councillors.
Norwich has a population of 135,000 and THIRTY SEVEN TOWN COUNCILLORS?????
For what???
Here’s what it says on their page … “Councillors are community leaders.” Oh, like Obama, then. Under Qualifications and Eligibiity, it says, “People of all backgrounds are welcome – the greater the mix of people, the more effectively the council can reflect the views of its community.”
Shouldn’t the council reflect British values, rather than the values of, say, Sierra Leone or Mogadishu? In other words, they are encouraging the establishment of lots of little empires within the council. Norwich sounds like hell on wheels.
Verity – those “how to get pregnant” adverts which you’ve been seeing down Mexico way – maybe there’s something in them!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2136004/Nonamum-Karla-Vanessa-Perez-pregnant-babies-shes-got-triplets.html
Isn’t Norwich the place that cut down chestnut trees to avoid people getting hurt by conkers?
Multiple pregnancy story quoted by Frank Sutton is very odd. First, the woman’s name is odd. She’s defiitely a Mexican indigene, and yet she is called Karla with a K??? Carla is the female of Carlos. There is no Karlos in Mexico. Even if she were from Mexico City, Guadalajara, Morelia or one of the other big cities, this would be unlikely. How would she or her parents ever have heard of a name like Karla?
I have a friend dropping round at 10 and I will ask him what he thinks.
This is a very odd story.
Frank Sutton – Funny, but heart-breaking. I would like to outlaw the toxic religion of socialism.
The above referred to the Norwich council sympathetic mahatamas cutting down chestnut trees in case someone got hurt by a conker.
It is perhaps interesting that we are approaching the 200th anniversary of the only assassination of a British Prime Minister, Spencer Perceval. He was shot by a man who had been left in a Russian prison for a debt that he did not owe, and without any assistance from the UK Government. When he was able to get home the Government continued to refuse to help him gain compensation. Pushed to the edge he decided that the only thing left to him was to assassinate the Prime Minister.
The Pastor of the church in Norwich has been trying to criticise aspects of Islam for some time on the church website..
http://nrchurch.limewebs.com/islam.html
It would be easy to imagine that some people have been thinking of ways to undermine and oppose him for some time.
Evil Islam pastor sticks to his views…
http://nrchurch.limewebs.com/islam52.jpg
Do take a look at the news piece. I don’t agree with everything he says, as he is Reformed. But I agree with most of what he says about Islam.
Can’t get the link to open. How odd.
Finally punched my way through to the link and the vicar sounds eminently civilised and sensible and my best wishes are with him.
Strange that it took me so long to connect to the link. Also strange that when I finally got through and was reading the newspaper article, it disappeared off the screen.
The left really are vile and they are the greatest toxic threat to the world. It’s not islam, which we could beat up in two or three days. It’s the toxic left that are the real danger to Western civilisation and advanced values. The muslims are still sand fleas.
Verity 28th, – 15:41
“How would she or her parents ever have heard of a name like Karla?”
Maybe one of them reads John le Carré?
Yeah. That’s really likely. There’s something odd about this story.
Ostrich (occasionally) @ 14.09
“Is there a particular risk in doing that in Queensland?”
Especially if one’s an oztrich.
Nice one, Malfleur!
Some notes on petertheodore’s link @ 16.29 to the newspaper story on the”Evil Islam” Pastor.
I see that Norfolk police has a diversity officer, Abraham Ehetsu; no doubt appointed because he is diverse.
Norfolk (and Norwich) also appears to have its Norfolk and Norwich Equality Council – Director, Anne Martin. It works to combat racism, inequality and discrimination throughout Norfolk. This is Norfolk Black History Month.
http://www.nnrec.org.uk/
The police are investigating the Pastor, the Reverend Doctor Alan Clifford.
The Director of the Norfolk and Norwich Equality Council (Director, Anne Martin) will no doubt be liaising with the diversity officer of the Norfolk police. Anne Martin states “What he [the pastor] is saying is incitement to racial hatred…”. Whether Ms. Martin will be investigated for this statement is unlikely.
Abdassamed Clarke of the Ihsan Mosque and Islamic Centre in Norwich says of the pastor’s views “it is probably unwise to make too much of them”.
The Norwich Muslim Community (http://www.muslimsofnorwich.org.uk/), which appears to be promoting the coinage of “the World Islamic Mint”, advertises a Spring Symposium of the Muslim Faculty of Advanced Studies at which, inter alios, Mr. Clarke will talk on The History of the Khalifas.
The Khalifas, according to one site – http://www.allaahuakbar.net/jihaad/khilafa.htm -, have among others the following duties, namely to:
“…5. Defend the rights of Muslims abroad, and to see to it that Islam can spread freely in non-Muslim lands (including the use of force).
6. Organize jihad against any non-Muslim government which prevents Muslim Da’wah from entering its land….”
CoffeeHouseWallers, muslim or otherwise ideologically inclined, who are contemplating recruitment by the Norfolk Constabulary will wish to keep in mind the following:
“Norfolk Constabulary serves a diverse community and we are keen to develop a workforce that reflects this.
Visible and non-visible minority ethnic groups, people with disabilities, lesbian, gay, bi-sexual and transgender people are currently under represented in our workplace and therefore we particularly encourage interest from people in these groups.
It is important to understand that although we are able to encourage individuals from under-represented groups to apply to join Norfolk Constabulary, all applications are strictly considered on merit, not ethnicity, gender or sexual orientation.
….
If you have any concerns about how your gender, ethnic origin, religion, sexual orientation or any other aspect of your life might impact on a career with Norfolk Constabulary, you can request a completely confidential discussion with a serving police officer from a similar background. If nobody is available, you can be put in touch with an officer with a genuine understanding of the issues surrounding diversity within the police…
…We have extensive staff support networks to create confidential forums for people to share experiences, advice, support and reassurance in an informal and relaxed environment.
Where possible, you will be allowed time out of your working day to attend network meetings.”
Etc., etc.
http://www.norfolk.police.uk/aboutus/equalitydiversity/recruitment.aspx
Please note that the site also links to:
“Norfolk Black Police AssociationLink to an external website
Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Criminal Justice NetworkLink to an external website (Norfolk)
Norfolk Association of Women in PolicingLink to an external website
National Disabled Police AssociationLink to an external website
Part-Time Network
Norfolk Christian Police AssociationLink to an external website”
The Norfolk police are, as their website makes clear, thoroughly qualified to investigate pastor Clifford of Norwich Reformed Church and that investigation may be able to cover unsuspected aspects of that gentleman’s life as, and I offer this only as a taste of matters dealt with on the police website, there is helpful guidance offered by the Norfolk Constabulary on Gender Reassignment – http://www.norfolk.police.uk/aboutus/equalitydiversity/genderreassignment.aspx – and as the Constabule says:
“Society divides people into categories, boy or girl, depending on the male or female appearance at birth. These physical differences define our sex, whereas gender identity describes the inner sense of knowing that we are men or women, and gender role describes how we behave in society.”
I am going to take a break now to consult my inner sense.
Point of information arising from my post at 19.35: how can the Norfolk Constabulary be sure that “non-visible minority ethnic groups” are under represented in their workplace?
I think this should be investigated.
“Under-represented” means “we’re going to give the job to an unqualified non-Caucasian immigrant rather than you”.
Ostrich (occasionally)
April 28th, 2012 – 17:07
& Verity
Hi, I’m only surmising, but Karla is the Germanic spelling. The “Daily Mail” who reported the story are not very apt when it comes to editing, and they rely too much on “stringers”, so the articles although they give credit to DM reporters, are the carelessly researched work of “stringers”.
AWK – The flaw here is that stringesr live in the country and can usually speak the language. Stringes are real journalists, not some little person who just happens to live there. Stringers send in real, reseaeched stories. They are usually employed by another publication and string on the side. As you note, Karla is the Germanic spelling and Mexico has no connection and no history, none, nada — with Germany.
That the parents of this woman, who would be more backward than she is, would take it into their heads to call her Karla (when they had probably never even seen the name before) is … strange. Further, the priest might not like it.
There’s just something that doesn’t click about this story.
There are other people called Karla Martinez…
http://thecoveteur.com/Karla_Martinez
so it may not be so unusual…
Indeed Karla Martinez is a Mexican TV host and so the child may well be named after her…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karla_Mart%C3%ADnez
Verity
April 28th, 2012 – 20:32
Verity, dare I contradict you, in the friendliest of ways? I’ve been reading a series of books by Upton Sinclair, The Lanny Budd books, and Mexico has quite a entwined history with Germany. Way back in World War 1 Germany was trying to persuade Mexico to join them in fighting the USA. Prior to World War 11, Germany infiltrated itself into diplomatic and political circles in Latin America, and Mexico in particular. Then of course, there were the missionaries, Germany sending its men and women to bring the message to the native peoples. Stringers, I’m afraid are a varied group. Some dedicated and smart investigative reporters, others, just in it for a quick buck. Anyway, it’s a weird and strange business.
Well, thanks, Peter Theodore! I still think the story doesn’t hang together, though.
“Today The Center for Security Policy is launching a new website called muslimbrotherhoodinamerica.com. The website presents a ten-part course about the Muslim Brotherhood in America, its penetration of the US government, the conservative movement, the Republican Party, and its influence over the Obama administration. The course is taught by Frank Gaffney, the President of the Center for Security Policy.”
Here’s an overview of the course: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hfSpolVao4w
Hat tip: Caroline Glick
Well, thanks, Petertheodore. I still think the story doesn’t hang together, though. To me, the clue is, the doctor said she isn’t pregnant.
Apparently Karla’s mother has already been in the press and stated that her daughter has been sterilised and so could not be pregnant at all.
Thanks, AWK! Didn’t know that about Germany. I cannot think of two less likely friends or allies.
Thanks, AWK. I wrote thanking you a few minutes ago for the background on Germany and Mexico, but my message didn’t leave the screen.
Just received this ‘forward’, which is doing the rounds, a blunt simple message from an ordinary man and seems to cover most common gripes of the English natives:
>THINK THIS MAN HAS IT ALL COVERED. I COULDN’T SPOT ANYTHING HE LEFT OUT.
“I am the government’s Worst Nightmare. I am a White, Tax-Paying, God fearing British man. I am a hard working Brit and I work long hours to earn a living.
I believe in God and the freedom of religion, but I don’t push it on others. I believe in British products and buy them whenever I can.
I believe the money I make belongs to me and not to some governmental functionary, to share with others who don’t work!
I think owning a home doesn’t make you a capitalist; it makes you a smart Brit. I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized, and does not entitle you to anything. Get over it. Join in with the majority!
I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, you should do it in English. I believe there should be no other language option.
I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God when and where they want to.
I am proudly ‘Queen and Country’ – my heroes are fellow Brits like Freddie Flintoff and Winston Churchill and there are others.
I don’t hate the rich. What I hate is the way they always manage to avoid paying proper taxes.
I don’t pity the poor, I just hate the way they are always moaning that they are hard done by!!
I know wrestling is fake and I don’t waste my time watching or arguing about it.
I believe if you don’t like the way things are here, you should go back to where you came from and change your own country!
This is ENGLAND…..We like it the way it is and even more so the way it was…so stop trying to change it to look like some other socialist country! If you were born or legally migrated here and don’t like it… you are free to move to any Socialist country that will have you. I believe it is time to really clean house, starting with the House of Commons, the seat of our biggest problems.
I want to know where the “Do Gooders” get their money from, and why are they always part of the problem and not the solution? Can I get an AMEN on that one?
I also think the cops have the right to pull you over if you’re breaking the law, regardless of what race, colour or creed you are.
And, no, I don’t mind having my face shown on my driving licence. I think it’s good….
I dislike those people trying to guilt me into making ‘donations’ to their cause….Get a job and support yourself and your family!
I believe ‘illegal’ is illegal no matter what the lawyers think!
I believe the Union Jack flag should be allowed to be flown anywhere in the United Kingdom !
If this makes me a BAD Brit, then yes, I’m a BAD Brit – and actually happy about that. If you are a BAD Brit too, please forward this to everyone you know….
We want our country back! My Country….. and your country
I hope this offends all illegal aliens.
My great, great grandfather watched as his friends died in the Boer War. My grandfather watched and bled as his friends died in World Wars 1&2. I knew friends who died for our country in The Falklands, Sierra Leone, Bosnia, & Desert Storm. Our sons and daughters watched & bled as their friends died in Afghanistan and Iraq .
None of them died for the Afghanistan and Iraq Flag. Every Briton died for the British flag.
At one high school, foreign students raised a Middle East flag on a school flag pole. British students took it down. Guess who was expelled…the students who took it down…..this is outrageous – makes my blood boil.
West London high school students were sent home, because they wore T-shirts with the Union Jack flag printed on them.
What is going on?? What wet, insipid, nappy wearing idiots do we have in authority?? Enough is enough.
This message needs to be viewed by every Brit; and every Briton needs to stand up for Britain. We’ve bent over to appease the Brit-haters long enough. Time to take a stand.
I’m standing up because of the millions who died fighting in wars for this country, and for the British flag.
And shame on anyone who tries to make this a racist message. IT IS NOT !
Britons, stop giving away Your RIGHTS !
THIS IS OUR COUNTRY !
This statement DOES NOT mean I’m against immigration !
YOU ARE WELCOME HERE, IN MY COUNTRY, welcome to come legally:
1. Get a sponsor !
2. Learn the LANGUAGE, as immigrants have in the past!
3. Live by OUR rules ! Dress as we Britons Do
4. Get a job !
5. Pay YOUR Taxes !
6. No Social Security until you have earned it and paid for it !
7. Find a place to lay your head !
If you don’t want to forward this for fear of offending someone, then YOU’RE PART OF THE PROBLEM !
We’ve gone so far the other way… bent over backwards not to offend anyone.
WAKE UP BRITAIN ! ! !
If you do not Pass this on, may your fingers cramp !
Made in BRITAIN & DAMN PROUD OF IT!!!!!”
AMEN”
[ Seems fair enough to me, ‘cept WTF is ‘Freddie Flintoff’ – perhaps he’s the author?]
Another one for the Links:-
http://www.vdare.com/
I’ve just been watching a documentary on the Bruneval Raid 1941. Documentary footage of happy Tommies coming home after the raid, all with obligatory fag in mouth. In a flight of fancy at such a reassuring scene I imagined going amongst them to tell them that in 66 years time the country they were fighting for would ban them from smoking their fags in a pub.
I expect their gobsmacked reaction might have been to believe that Britain had lost the war after all and the Nazis had somehow taken over – as indeed they have in a way. Not Germans, but Nazis nevertheless. All my posts will now contain the following symbol of resistance and freedom, of protest against the oppressive occupation of my country by Nazi forces and of the hope of ultimate liberation. Let’s be under no illusion, despite the twaddle about diversity, inclusivity, equality and the rest of that scheming bullshit, who the oppressors really are.
V
Verity
April 28th, 2012 – 21:36
Thanks, AWK! Didn’t know that about Germany. I cannot think of two less likely friends or allies.
Yes. Verity, I agree.
Frank P: Plain speaking and good sense. If we ever have a Constitution here, this would form a good basis.
I must say that I’m more than a little disturbed by the reports of the sudden muzzie invasion of Norfolk; I was only joking last week when I suggested that we’d probably be fine over here in the barren broadlands of the East because the A10, the A11, the A47 and the A148 are almost impassable and that I was covering the Wash with my inflatable dinghy to repel any waterborne intruders.
The buggers must have parachuted in one dark night when I was spending too much time on this blog trying to keep up with Austin Barry’s merry quips. Just goes to show – can’t drop your guard for a moment. Already they’ve taken Norwich (apparently where a cell has been operating undercover at the UEA for several years, now they’re showing out in the market and have already established a ‘community centre’ – see above posts); King’s Lynn’s pubs are apparently going down, one by one. What next – Wetherspoons?
Sorry Nicholas forgot to add the “V”.
di-di-di-dah.
di-dah di-dah-dit.
The Dogs of War:
http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/dog-351332-romney-obama.html#
Skip through the gossip to get the flavour, then scroll down to the photo of the wee fop (circa 1987), then ask yourself – “Is there any wonder we are deep in the doo-doo as a nation?”
Sorry – forgot the link (01:41)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2136713/David-Camerons-heartbroken-lover-nun-called-Sister-John-Mary-I-thought-marriage–God-called-says-PM-ex.html
Golly, Gosh!
“Research by Lord Ashcroft, the former deputy Conservative chairman, shows that the party is out of touch with many ethnic minority voters. Only four per cent of black voters said they identified with the Tories in a poll for Lord Ashcroft given to the Sunday Telegraph. The peer warns the party’s failure to woo black and Asian voters will exact a penalty in marginal seats at the next General Election. ” (DT. Boris Johnson: We Need More Tax Cuts)
“Research by Lord Ashcroft” = Lord Ashcroft read the Bradford West returns.
The scum on the surface of our political class has scented the Galloway factor.
Malfleur – Interesting and well-observed.
Here’s another. Generally unassuming and loyal party members are making it plain that they are content that gays already get every administrative (hospital visiting rights, making life and death decisions) partnership right through the civil partnership arrangement – with which most gays themselves are content – and that the voters in general regard the “gay marriage” proposal with loathing.
The smug, self-satisfied Camoron is insisting that he is going to bring in a marriage bill for homosexuals while the homosexuals themselves (save the usual suspects) are saying they are perfectly content with the civil partnership arrangement.
David Cameron seems to be a genuinely stupid man. The gays themselves, save the usual political suspects, are saying they are content with the civil arrangment accorded them.
And Dave is boldly marching out front saying he is determined that homosexuals have full marriage status. He doesn’t seem to understand that the issue has been settled to everyone’s satisfaction. He doesn’t seem to understand the loathing of changing the meaning of marriage gives rise to.
As I said above, I think he seems to have an average, or slightly below average IQ. Think of going all the way to Sweden, in a new parka, to kneel down in some snow and hug a huskie in a way that was apparently designed to convey that, despite “global warming” already being universally scorned, Dave was determined to militate against it. Then the pretend “theft” of his bike in central London … and the photo in The Garden of Remembrance that he was forced to apologise for … The truly bizarre TV Camerons Breakfast Show … all these moronic ideas bearing Dave’s imprint. And now he’s still fighting the “gay marriage” fight when everyone but the hardcore political gays has stated they are fine with civil partnerships.
I am still abslutely baffled that this individual got nominated. It’s not baffling that so few voted for him that he needed a coalition after 13 years of sleazy Labour, but that he is still in office is puzzling. No one likes him or trusts him or thinks he has the mental muscle to be leading a country. Everything around him is a shambles.
When are the Tories going to take him round the back of the shed and hand him a bottle of Romanée Conti and a pistol?
David Cameron makes Jimmy Carter look like Miachiavelli.
Verity
He would probably decide to use the pistol first.
Malfleur — V good! He would probably take a considered decision to use the pistol first and save the wine for “later”.
Frank P 2211-Agree with most and even Freddie Flintoff but Churchiil?. Was he not a half yank who like Tony Blair walked the Jolly Old Country into war? Discuss.In addition he may have got the PC brigade but forgot the elf ‘n safety lot.
The Galloway Factor: This leads us to the Frogs and the delightful Marine. If She can get 18% what is to stop Farage going out for a full quarter of the poll in May. Cameron is so damaged and Miliband so inadequate the we could see a permanent slice sliding into the arms of Farage. At least if the May poll had a decent showing Cameron might put a fist on behaving.
Unfortunately UKIP are not standing in my council ward otherwise I would vote for them then. I just have a choice of Con-Lab-Lib-Green which is no choice at all.
Concerning Frank P’s of yesterday at 22.11, I remember some time before the demise of the wall at The Other Place someone posted a similar litany containing similar, eminently reasonable statements along the lines of “I love Europe but don’t want to be ‘part of Europe'” and so on, all put with far more panache than a simple follower such as I can muster. Does anyone remember it/have it stored somewhere? Is it possible to repost it here? It was a list of ten or so such statements that should be tattooed inside the eyelids of any politician or candidate. And I fancy taking up tattooing as a hobby.
Frank P 28th, – 22:11
Excellent post, Frank, but don’t you think the following is a little bit weak?
“I also think the cops have the right to pull you over if you’re breaking the law, regardless of what race, colour or creed you are.”
Don’t you think ‘right’ should read ‘statutory duty’?
Frank P, April 28th @22:35
The shi-ite marsh arabs from southern Iraq would probably feel quite at home in the fens. I don’t know how they’d cope with the illicit stills and banjos but no doubt they’d be extremely enthusiastic about some of the other ‘goings on’ than occur in isolated communities. A real home from home!
“Was he not a half yank who like Tony Blair walked the Jolly Old Country into war?”
Yeah, that’s right. Jolly old Hitler was just a jolly old pussy cat who meant no harm to anyone really. And he had no weapons of mass destruction. It was all Churchill’s fault – the war. Churchill wanted regime change in Germany, you see, so he orchestrated the German invasion of Czechoslovakia, and Poland, and Denmark, and Norway, and the Netherlands, and Belgium and France by terrible provocations. He even orchestrated the Empire of Japan to attack Pearl Harbor to draw the USA deliberately into Britain’s war of aggression.
And look how successfully Britain came out of it all. Having ensured the liberation of Western Europe by holding out in 1940 and providing a stepping stone for American corporate imperialism Britain was saddled with war debt that the Yanks squeezed her for until 2006 (61 years), whilst they cancelled German war reparations in 1953 (8 years). This presumably was in retribution for the war crimes of that jolly old warmonger Churchill.
I’ll stop there so I’m not as rude to you, John Jefferson Fucking Burns, as I’m tempted to be. Jolly good. Jolly, jolly, jolly.
V
“The head of the English Defence League, Tommy Robinson, will be named deputy leader of the British Freedom party this week after proposing that the group adopt virulent [sic] anti-Islamic policies as its central strategy.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/apr/28/britain-far-right-anti-islamic
The wreckers (The Guardian’s editorial board) seem a bit upset at this development.
Conversely, I find it rather interesting, as it seems that the middle class and the working class are joining hands – just what the country needs. Then they need to broaden their canvas a bit to include other concerns of common folk, and perhaps begin talks with UKIP. Could the people be on the move?
I notice that the Guardian likes to refer to the English Defence League and the British Freedom Party by their acronyms. This stylistic tactic gives the wrecking newspaper the advantage of making the “BFP” sound like the “BNP”.
Perhaps we should start to refer to the Conservative Party as the “CP”?
Tommy Robinson is looking good.
Owain Mitchell
Glad to see someone else has an “avatar” – though it may be a bit risky here to have your own pic up, if that’s what it is. Actually, it looks a bit like Pat Condell. I think Frank P may have a chunk of archive from the Other Place btw.
Ostrich (occasionally) @ 10.36
I would prefer “discretion”.
V
Sorry to offend. I was not really wanting to decry the need to check the fascists but rather to point to Churchill as the half yank. Our aristos have no time for England but lots of time for glory. In WW2 the 2 coincided. But did they for example in the Boer war. Or crackpot eden in Suez?
Nicholas
April 29th, 2012 – 11:42
Very good response, Nicholas. I could hardly believe my eyes when I read such nonsense John Jefferson Burns wrote. Is he a troll, or just another half-baked Internationalist?
Frank P: A few years ago we took a train to Norwich, which I had never visited, since I wanted to see the Cathedral. I loved the Broads, the huge skies and the countryside, but Norwich was a nasty shock. Apart from the Cathedral it seemed filled with chavs, drunks and smelly take-aways. A London in minature! We had booked a night at a modest hotel, which we saw advertised at the station. Alas on arrival we found it was in the red-light district and was dirty and rundown. We took our overnight bags and caught a train back home. Now I imagine it must be even worse which is a pity.
John Jefferson Burns
“…crackpot eden in Suez”
It is a while since I did this myself but, with the benefit of hindsight, do me the favour to enumerate the benefits of the American suppression of the Anglo-French-Israeli initiative.
Not sure who else should tell the Brits that Empire had come to an end.
The BENEFITS please.
“The unveiling of Robinson as deputy leader of the British Freedom Party will take place in Luton ahead of an EDL demo in the town, during which supporters will be banned from its centre by police, following previous disturbances.” (Guardian – ibid)
*****
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEK85dVrg3A
Nicholas @ 11:42am
“Having ensured the liberation of Western Europe by holding out in 1940 and providing a stepping stone for American corporate imperialism Britain was saddled with war debt that the Yanks squeezed her for until 2006 (61 years), whilst they cancelled German war reparations in 1953 (8 years).”
Nicholas, Didn’t the USA have to lend Britain yet more money in the 50’s in order that the war debt repayments could be met? Also, didn’t the IMF screw Britain in the 60’s? – or was that all Harold Wilson’s fault?
John Jefferson Burns,
Have to say, I’m a bit disappointed with your apparent lack of breeding. Normally Americans lumbered with fancy three part names have to give themselves even fancier regnal numbers in order to differentiate themselves from their (either unimaginative or excessively vain) fathers of the same name.
How come the girls aren’t affected? I’ve never heard of any Ellie May Clampett III’s. Have you?
Peter Theodore 1963 8:53 . If they are not running a UKIP candidate in your constituency, that doesn’t stop you voting for them anyway, as a write-in. Far from being a wasted vote, it sends a cracking message to the parties who are running, and also to UKIP.
People who don’t have a UKIP option on their ballot should vote UKIP anyway.
John Jefferson Burns 12:39 – You seem to be rather stupid. Do you get out much? Have you ever been anywhere? Have you ever read any history? Have you been to Britain? You have all the cocky, self-congratulatory ignorance of the genetically stupid with no experience to sharpen the edges. I am guessing you are from a small town and your teachers were from the same background and you were all scared to go into Tacoma alone because it is too sophisticated.
I am also guessing that Burns is your family name and you felt a little frisson when you linked it to John Jefferson.
“Not sure who else should tell the Brits that Empire had come to an end.”
Did we need telling? With the USA having squeezed us until the pips squeaked and worked tirelessly to undermine the return of our colonies after WW2 it was fairly obvious. Meanwhile the United States still calls Hawaii a “State” doesn’t it? Maybe the USA needs telling too?
One of my regrets is that the British Empire and the Empire of Japan did not remain good friends after WW1 and work together in naval alliance to keep the USA out of the Far East.
“People who don’t have a UKIP option on their ballot should vote UKIP anyway.”
How would we do that, Verity?
Malfleur 29th, – 11:57
“I would prefer “discretion”.”
Isn’t it excessive use of “discretion” that’s part of the problem?
Frank Sutton – A write-in vote?
I wonder why Vulture doesn’t join us.
Started watching Countryfile, but I can’t. They are providing a platform for climate change scammers and it is just too frustrating and annoying to watch.
petertheodore1963
“Started watching Countryfile, but I can’t. They are providing a platform for climate change scammers and it is just too frustrating and annoying to watch.”
It had just started as we finished dinner; some idiot started on about how our peat reserves held the carbon captive, my wife said “Alan Titchmarsh says it is good for the soil” but then he is a sensible Yorkshireman.
Now The Mail is going along with the blatant and well-known impossibilitiy of “female circumcision” (which is an impossibility as a clitoris doesn’t have a foreskin).
http://www.dailymail.ccoo.uk/news/article-2136907/Genital-mutilation-British-muslim-leader-caught-camera-advocating-female-circumcision.html
They, a national paper in a previously advanced country, are going along with the muslim lie and citing “female circumcision” – instead of clitordirectomy – surgical removal of the female sex organ.
Verity
April 29th
Verity, I have tried countless times to post on the DM’s wretched ‘Comments’ about just this misuse of words. They will never print what I have written, and I imagine it is too candid for them. Yet, this tabloid will publish the most trite details of the intimate lives of so-called celebrities.
Yes, AWK, they only use terms mandated by the lefties.
Gosh. You could’ve knocked me over with a propellor blade.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/9234715/Wind-farms-can-cause-climate-change-finds-new-study.html
JJB: 7.05
Well said.
W’all, Texans’ll need the extra electrickery produced by their wind farms
to run their air conditioners at a higher setting to cope with the higher ambient air temperatures?
Verity@2306
That was funny.
Contact Delingpole: he is/was our Saviour.
Truly, without equivocation I despise wind farms: mosques, except in name.
Peter: What does the red cross in the square signify? It isn’t the Cross of St George!
The red cross has vanished. It was in the square where photos of the poster can be placed.
Verity @ 22.17
If we are going to use the bloody word, let’s try to spell it right – it’s not as though we didn’t go through this last week: clitoridectomy.
Your “clitordirectomy” seems to come from the technical vocabulary of blue films.
We all do stupid things, and I just took a look at the Spectator Coffee House site – Lordy, what a pathetic, insipid pile of manure. Paeans of praise to Obama the Bedwetter, Hain the Orange, Forsyth droning on about Andrew Marr talking to Cameron… About as sharp and incisive as an argument between David Frost and Michael Portillo over which is the best biscuit to dunk in one’s cocoa.
No wonder they’ve got one of the trolls (Is it wrinkled weasel, I wonder? It’s the same kind of mind-numbing drivel in the same writing style) to pose as Peter from Maidstone. The petty spite suits the wimps in charge. At least in NZ we get the Australian print version, which seems to be free of the soft-left-soppiness infection… so far.
My Uncle was one of the first into Belsen. What was done to the Jewish people must never be forgotten. Those truly of ‘the right’ know this. The desert sheet-heads must never, ever be allowed to diminish what was done. Iran, especially, must be challenged at every turn. Pricks like Livingstone must be removed from the political scene.
Enjoy the story; go see the movie; never forget.
A Girl With An Apple
(This is a true story and you can find out more by Googling Herman
Rosenblat. He was Bar Mitzvahed at age 75)
August 1942. Piotrkow , Poland ..
The sky was gloomy that morning as we waited anxiously.
All the men, women and children of Piotrkow’s Jewish ghetto
had been herded into a square.
Word had gotten around that we were being moved. My father
had only recently died from typhus, which had run rampant
through the crowded ghetto. My greatest fear was that our
family would be separated.
‘Whatever you do,’ Isidore, my eldest brother, whispered to me,
‘don’t tell them your age. Say you’re sixteen.
‘I was tall for a boy of 11, so I could pull it off. That way I
might be deemed valuable as a worker.
An SS man approached me, boots clicking against the cobblestones.
He looked me up and down, and then asked my age.
‘Sixteen,’ I said. He directed me to the left, where my three
brothers and other healthy young men already stood.
My mother was motioned to the right with the other women, children,
sick and elderly people..
I whispered to Isidore, ‘Why?’ He didn’t answer.
I ran to Mama’s side and said I wanted to stay with her.
‘No, ‘she said sternly.
‘Get away. Don’t be a nuisance. Go with your brothers.’
She had never spoken so harshly before. But I understood:
She was protecting me. She loved me so much that, just this once,
she pretended not to. It was the last I ever saw of her.
My brothers and I were transported in a cattle car to Germany …
We arrived at the Buchenwald concentration camp one night later and
were led into a crowded barrack. The next day, we were issued uniforms
and identification numbers.
‘Don’t call me Herman anymore.’ I said to my brothers. ‘Call me 94983.’
I was put to work in the camp’s crematorium, loading the dead
into a hand-cranked elevator.
I, too, felt dead. Hardened, I had become a number.
Soon, my brothers and I were sent to Schlieben, one of Buchenwald ‘s
sub-camps near Berlin ….
One morning I thought I heard my mother’s voice.
‘Son,’ she said softly but clearly, I am going to send you an angel.’
Then I woke up. Just a dream. A beautiful dream.
But in this place there could be no angels. There was only work.
And hunger. And fear.
A couple of days later, I was walking around the camp, around the
barracks, near the barbed-wire fence where the guards could not easily
see. I was alone.
On the other side of the fence, I spotted someone: a little girl with light,
almost luminous curls. She was half-hidden behind a birch tree.
I glanced around to make sure no one saw me. I called to her softly
in German. ‘Do you have something to eat?’
She didn’t understand.
I inched closer to the fence and repeated the question in Polish.
She stepped forward. I was thin and gaunt, with rags wrapped around
my feet, but the girl looked unafraid. In her eyes, I saw life.
She pulled an apple from her woolen jacket and threw it over the fence.
I grabbed the fruit and, as I started to run away, I heard her say faintly,
‘I’ll see you tomorrow.’
I returned to the same spot by the fence at the same time every day.
She was always there with something for me to eat – a hunk of bread
or, better yet, an apple.
We didn’t dare speak or linger. To be caught would mean death for us both.
I didn’t know anything about her, just a kind farm girl, except that
she understood Polish. What was her name?
Why was she risking her life for me?
Hope was in such short supply, and this girl on the other side of
the fence gave me some, as nourishing in its way as the bread and
apples.
Nearly seven months later, my brothers and I were crammed into a
coal car and shipped to Theresienstadt camp in Czechoslovakia ..
‘Don’t return,’ I told the girl that day. ‘We’re leaving.’
I turned toward the barracks and didn’t look back, didn’t even say
good-bye to the little girl whose name I’d never learned,
The girl with the apples.
We were in Theresienstadt for three months. The war was winding down
and Allied forces were closing in, yet my fate seemed sealed.
On May 10, 1945, I was scheduled to die in the gas chamber at 10:00 AM.
In the quiet of dawn, I tried to prepare myself. So many times death
seemed ready to claim me, but somehow I’d survived. Now, it was over.
I thought of my parents. At least, I thought, we will be reunited.
But at 8 am there was a commotion. I heard shouts, and saw people
running every which way through camp. I caught up with my brothers.
Russian troops had liberated the camp! The gates swung open.
Everyone was running, so I did too. Amazingly, all of my brothers
had survived; I’m not sure how. But I knew that the girl with the apples
had been the key to my survival.
In a place where evil seemed triumphant, one person’s goodness had
saved my life, had given me hope in a place where there was none.
My mother had promised to send me an angel, and the angel had come.
Eventually I made my way to England where I was sponsored by a
Jewish charity, put up in a hostel with other boys who had survived
the Holocaust and trained in electronics. Then I came to America ,
where my brother Sam had already moved. I served in the U. S. Army
during the Korean War, and returned to New York City after two years.
By August 1957 I’d opened my own electronics repair shop.
I was starting to settle in.
One day, my friend Sid who I knew from England called me.
‘I’ve got a date. She’s got a Polish friend. Let’s double date.’
A blind date? Nah, that wasn’t for me.
But Sid kept pestering me, and a few days later we headed up to the
Bronx to pick up his date and her friend Roma..
I had to admit, for a blind date this wasn’t so bad. Roma was a
nurse at a Bronx hospital. She was kind and smart. Beautiful, too,
with swirling brown curls and green, almond-shaped eyes that sparkled
with life.
The four of us drove out to Coney Island . Roma was easy to talk to,
easy to be with. Turned out she was wary of blind dates too!
We were both just doing our friends a favor. We took a stroll on the
boardwalk, enjoying the salty Atlantic breeze, and then had dinner by
the shore. I couldn’t remember having a better time.
We piled back into Sid’s car, Roma and I sharing the backseat.
As European Jews who had survived the war, we were aware that much
had been left unsaid between us. She broached the subject,
‘Where were you,’ she asked softly, ‘during the war?’
‘The camps,’ I said. The terrible memories still vivid, the irreparable loss..
I had tried to forget. But you can never forget.
She nodded. ‘My family was hiding on a farm in Germany ,
not far from Berlin ,’ she told me.. ‘My father knew a priest,
and he got us Aryan papers.’
I imagined how she must have suffered too, fear, a constant companion.
And yet here we were both survivors, in a new world.
‘There was a camp next to the farm.’ Roma continued. ‘I saw a boy
there and I would throw him apples every day.’
What an amazing coincidence that she had helped some other boy.
‘What did he look like? I asked.
He was tall, skinny, and hungry. I must have seen him every day for
six months.’
My heart was racing. I couldn’t believe it.
This couldn’t be.
‘Did he tell you one day not to come back because he was leaving Schlieben?’
Roma looked at me in amazement. ‘Yes!’
‘That was me!’
I was ready to burst with joy and awe, flooded with emotions.
I couldn’t believe it! My angel.
‘I’m not letting you go.’ I said to Roma. And in the back of the car
on that blind date, I proposed to her. I didn’t want to wait.
‘You’re crazy!’ she said. But she invited me to meet her parents for
Shabbat dinner the following week.
There was so much I looked forward to learning about Roma,
but the most important things I always knew: her steadfastness, her
goodness. For many months, in the worst of circumstances, she had come
to the fence and given me hope. Now that I’d found her again, I could
never let her go.
That day, she said yes. And I kept my word. After nearly 50 years of
marriage, two children and three grandchildren, I have never let her go.
Herman Rosenblat of Miami Beach , Florida
This story is being made into a movie called The Fence.
As a follow on and as requested by Malfleur and others, here is the piece on the slaughter perpetrated by the little sheet-heads and which still has to be recognised by the civilised world.
We accept as a proven fact that the Nazis slaughtered the Jews and Germans will never be truly forgiven by the planet, in the same way that blacks will never forgive the white races for slavery (although the biggest slavers were – guess who?). Let us now campaign to make the scum of the sands face up to what they have done in the name of their so-called religion.
Here’s another dose of verified and verifiable truth destined to get our little sheet-head followers frothing. Tip to the Islamists, if you don’t like the truth, change it for the better, don’t suppress it. Because like your shitty religion, it will keep popping up.
WHY ISLAM IS THE MOST RACIST IDEOLOGY EVER CONCEIVED BY MAN? As you will read, Arabs believe they are a superior race and have the right to rape, torture, kill because the Quran being in Arabic non-Arabic people are inferior and are to be treated like slaves. This is sanctified by God in the Quran.
RACISM AND SLAVERY ARE DIVINE ETERNAL INSTITUTIONS OF GOD
All human beings, irrespective of race or color, are created equal in terms of rights and dignity. Assuming that one human being is lesser than another and worth being a slave or property of another person is abhorrent to civilized conscience. Slavery is one of the vilest institutions ever created by man. Slavery is a form of vile racism.
In Islam, God is a slaver, who sanctions enslaving other people by Muslims in the Quran. Prophet Muhammad was a slaver, who took 20% from the profits derived from the sale of slaves. He also owned 40 slaves. He beat and raped his slaves. He hated the Blacks and compared them to Satan. Some 120 million Blacks were murdered by Muslims, the greatest holocaust in history. Of hunted Black slaves, some 75% of them died on the way to Islamic markets. All Black male slaves were castrated. While most black slaves sent to the Americas could marry and have families, most of the male black slaves destined for the Muslim world were castrated. Millions more died in the unhygienic operation for castrating them, and most of the black children born to the women were killed at birth.
It was noted that black slaves were castrated “based on the assumption that the blacks had an ungovernable sexual appetite.
Below are some of the commands of Islamic God, sanctioning slavery:
Sura 2 (The Cow), Verse 178:
“O you who believe! retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the slain, the free for the free, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female, but if any remission is made to any one by his (aggrieved) brother, then prosecution (for the bloodwit) should be made according to usage, and payment should be made to him in a good manner; this is an alleviation from your Lord and a mercy; so whoever exceeds the limit after this he shall have a painful chastisement.”
Slavery is mentioned in this verse as part of Islam’s criminal law clearly indicating that slavery is an eternal divine institution in Islam, a part and parcel of Islamic societies.
Sura 24 (The Light), Verse 31:
“And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts and do not display their ornaments except what appears thereof, and let them wear their head-coverings over their bosoms, and not display their ornaments except to their husbands or their fathers, or the fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or their brothers’ sons, or their sisters’ sons, or their women, or those whom their right hands possess, or the male servants not having need (of women), or the children who have not attained knowledge of what is hidden of women; and let them not strike their feet so that what they hide of their ornaments may be known; and turn to Allah all of you, O believers! so that you may be successful.”
This is the famous Sura enjoining the veiling of women. Those before whom the Muslim women need not veil themselves are “those whom their right hands possess”, which means “slaves”. Again God mentions slavery in this verse as a part and parcel of Muslim households. Therefore, slaves are an inseparable part of Muslim societies.
Sura 23 (The Believers), Verses 1-6:
“Successful indeed are the believers, Who are humble in their prayers, And who keep aloof from what is vain, And who are givers of poor-rate, And who guard their private parts, Except before their mates or those whom their right hands possess, for they surely are not blameable.”
This verses not only sanctions the practice of slavery, but also gives the slave owner unfettered right to use female slaves sexual pleasures.
Sura 24 (The Light), Verse 32:
“And marry those among you who are single and those who are fit among your male slaves and your female slaves; if they are needy, Allah will make them free from want out of His grace; and Allah is Ample-giving, Knowing.”
This is said to sanction marriages of slaves with slaves and slaves with free persons (including the owner). Owners did not usually marry slaves as they could use them for sexual purposes at will. This dispensation has been used to make slaves marry other slaves. In Islam a child born to a slave couple also is a slave from birth, so this verse gives a great incentive to slave owners to breed slaves. This is another obnoxious aspect of Islamic slavery. Whatever be the other circumstances in which people are made into slaves to make a new-born infant a slave is one of the most cruel and callous. Ye this did not evoke a protest from the Prophet and has been extensively resorted to by Muslims.
Sura 16 (The Bee), verse 75:
“Allah sets forth a parable: (consider) a slave, the property of another, (who) has no power over anything, and one whom We have granted from Ourselves a goodly sustenance so he spends from it secretly and openly; are the two alike? (All) praise is due to Allah!”
This is one of the clearest instances where the institution of slavery is justified in the Quran as a divine dispensation. It deserves close scrutiny. This “parable” contrasts two people a slave who is owned by another and is completely powerless and a freeman on whom Allah has granted “a goodly sustenance” which he can spend openly or secretly as he pleases (perhaps acquiring slaves for himself). Since Allah claims for himself the position of the granter of all benefits (or lack of them) both the freeman’s fortune and the slave’s misfortune are ultimately determined by Allah. By his rhetorical question — “Are the two alike?” — Allah was actually justifying the inequality between the slave and the freeman as a natural thing. Thus a Muslim will have no compunctions or qualms in employing and exploiting slaves (subject only to any conditions that Muhammad may have imposed) because it is what Allah has ordained and “all praise is due to Allah”.
Sura 33 (The Clans), Verse 50:
“O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those [slaves] whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her – specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful”.
As stated before – here, as elsewhere, the term “possessions of the right hand” mean slaves. It is expressly stated that Muhammad’s slaves are given to him by Allah himself to be taken out of his share of the captives in war. It also records the special dispensation given to Muhammad, not available to other Muslims, in the number of wives.
Sura 39 (The Companions), Verses 29:
“Allah sets forth an example: There is a slave in whom are (several) partners differing with one another, and there is another slave wholly owned by one man. Are the two alike in condition? (All) praise is due to Allah. Nay! most of them do not know.”
The example set out here compares joint ownership of a slave by many owners and the single ownership by one person. Allah asks rhetorically whether the two cases are the same. Of course, they are not and it is clear that Muhammad prefers single ownership. In fact, this is why he established the rule that after a military campaign the captives were allocated to each of his soldiers individually not collectively, with himself keeping a fifth of the captives as his personal slaves.
Sura 70 (The Ways of Ascent), verses 29-35:
“And those who guard their private parts, Except in the case of their wives or those whom their right hands possess — for these surely are not to be blamed, But he who seeks to go beyond this, these it is that go beyond the limits — And those who are faithful to their trusts and their covenant And those who are upright in their testimonies, And those who keep a guard on their prayer, Those shall be in gardens, honored.”
These verses are similar to Sura 23.93-96 and gives the right to slave owners to have sexual relation with female slaves. The only difference is that the earlier reference may leave some doubt as to whether both males and female slaves are meant. These verses clearly show that it is only female slaves that are meant.
Quran 4:3:
“Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.”
This verse is saying a Muslim man can have sex with his female slaves (obtained in war) just like with married wives (up to four). The divine institution of Islamic slavery, including the sex-slavery, is the vilest of institutions ever created in history.
Allah, the Islamic God, thus, sanctions slavery as well as use of female slaves for pleasures of men – the vilest practice, albeit an divinely-sanctioned one, ever exercised by man. (For article titled, Islam, Slavery and Rape, go to: http://www.islamreform.net/new-page-62.htm)
Slavery in Prophetic traditions
Following is just a small sample of more teachings of God’s divine institution of slavery.
Muhammad’s position on freeing slaves
1) In one instance, a man freed a slave that he kept as a sexual partner. When Muhammad heard what happened, he auctioned the boy and sold him for 800 dirhams to Na-eem Ebn Abdullah Al- Nahham. (Sahih Muslim, vol. 7, p. 83)
2) According to Muhammad, the punishment for committing adultery is different with a free-woman and a slave-woman. The man must be flogged one-hundred stripes and be exiled for one year. The free woman must be stoned to death. But the slave-woman (since she has a monetary value) will not be exiled or killed, she is to be flogged one-hundred stripes. If the violation is repeated, the slave-woman is to be sold. (Sahih Al Bukhari vol. 8:821 & 822)
Islam Looked Down on Blacks
Islam’s sacred texts contain explicit denigrating remarks about black people.
Muhammad referred to Blacks as “raisin heads”. (Sahih al-Bukhari 1.662, 9.256).
In another Hadith, Muhammad is quoted as saying that Blacks are “pug-nosed slaves”. (Sahih Muslim vol. 9, p. 46-47).
A Slave is not Entitled to Property or Money
Ibn Hazm says in Vol. 6, Part 9,
“The slave is not permitted to write a will when he dies, nor can he bequeath (anything) because his entire possessions belong to his master.”
Testimony of Slaves inadmissible
In Vol. 35, p. 409 Ibn Timiyya remarks:
“The Shafi’i, Malik, and Abu Hanifa, who are the legists of Islam, assert that the testimony of the slave is not acceptable.”
The “Ordinances of the Qur’an” by the Shafi’i (part II, p. 142), stipulates that,
“The witnesses must be from among our freeman, not from our slaves, but from freeman who belong to our religion!”
Black Slaves on Matters of Sex and Marriage
1. The Slave cannot choose for himself.
This was confirmed by all the Muslim scholars on the authority of Muhammad. In Vol. 6, Part 9, p. 467, Ibn Hazm said,
“If a slave gets married without the permission of his master, his marriage will be invalid and he must be whipped because he has committed adultery. He must be separated from his wife. She is also regarded as an adulteress because Muhammad said, ‘Any slave who gets married without the approval of his master is a prostitute.’”
The same text is quoted by Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya (Part 5, p. 117 of “Zad al-Maad”), as well as Ibn Timiyya (Vol. 32, p. 201). Malik Ibn Anas relates (Vol. 2, Part 4) more than that. He says (pp. 199, 201, 206),
“The slave does not get married without the approval of his master. If he is a slave to two masters, he has to obtain the approval of both men.”
2. The male slave and the female slave are forced to get married.
Malik Ibn Anas says explicitly,
“The master has the right to force his male or female slave to marry without obtaining their approval” (Vol. 2, p. 155).
“The master does not have the right to force the female slave to wed to an ugly black slave if she is beautiful and agile unless in case of utmost necessity” (refer to Ibn Hazm, Vol. 6, Part 9, p. 469).
In matters of sex and marriage, Ibn Timiyya states:
“The one who owns the mother also owns her children. Being the master of the mother makes him the owner of her children whether they were born to a husband or they were illegitimate children. Therefore, the master has the right to have sexual intercourse with the daughters of his maid-slave because they are his property, provided he does not sleep with the mother at the same time” (Vol. 35, p. 54).
Price of Slaves
“If an owned slave assaults somebody and damages his property, his crime will be tied to his neck. It will be said to his master, ‘If you wish, you can pay the fine for the damages done by your slave or deliver him to be sentenced to death.’ His master has to choose one of the two options – either the value of the slave and his price or the damage the slave has caused” (Vol. 32, p. 202, Ibn Timiyya).
Racism from Prophetic tradition
Ishaq, p. 243:
“I heard the Apostle say: ‘Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!’ He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks…. Allah sent down concerning him: ‘To those who annoy the Prophet there is a painful doom.” [9:61] “Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, ‘If a black man comes to you his heart is more gross than a donkey’s.’”
Ishaq, p. 144:
“A rock was put on a slave’s chest. When Abu Bakr complained, they said, ‘You are the one who corrupted him, so save him from his plight.’ I will do so,’ said Bakr. ‘I have a black slave, tougher and stronger than Bilal, who is a heathen. I will exchange him. The transaction was carried out.”
Tabari, II:11:
“Shem, the son of Noah was the father of the Arabs, the Persians, and the Greeks; Ham was the father of the Black Africans; and Japheth was the father of the Turks and of Gog and Magog who were cousins of the Turks. Noah prayed that the prophets and apostles would be descended from Shem and kings would be from Japheth. He prayed that the African’s color would change so that their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs and Turks.”
Tabari, II:21:
“Ham [Africans] begat all those who are black and curly-haired, while Japheth [Turks] begat all those who are full-faced with small eyes, and Shem [Arabs] begat everyone who is handsome of face with beautiful hair. Noah prayed that the hair of Ham’s descendants would not grow beyond their ears, and that whenever his descendants met Shem’s, the latter would enslave them.”
Ishaq, p. 450:
“It is your folly to fight the Apostle, for Allah’s army is bound to disgrace you. We brought them to the pit. Hell was their meeting place. We collected them there, black slaves, men of no descent.”
Bukhari 4.52.137:
“The Prophet said, ‘Let the negro slave of Dinar perish. And if he is pierced with a thorn, let him not find anyone to take it out for him…. If he [the black slave] asks for anything it shall not be granted, and if he needs intercession [to get into paradise], his intercession will be denied.’”
Slavery, raping slave girls, owning slaves, selling boys and women as trophies of war, sharing the booty (including slaves) obtained in raids and wars with Allah are all central teachings of Islam. Slavery was one of the major driving forces behind the expansion of Islam. After assuming his prophetic career, Prophet Muhammad enslaved large number of men and women, owned dozens of slaves, he sold many slaves as well as used the female captives as sex-slaves on top his dozen wives. Islam is such as vile, evil cult, which has been embraced by today’s civilized world’s 1.2 billion people as the perfect guide to life and its Prophet as perfect human being, the greatest apostle of God, a man of peace.
Today, tens of millions of Blacks—whose forefathers were the worst victim of Muhammad’s cult—also eulogize this man, and call themselves proud Muslims. There cannot be anything more shameful than this.
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Jake Neuman is the author of “Islam and Sharia Law Are Treason: Jihad Is Treason” and Prophet Muhammad (AKA ALLAH): Monster of History. The Teachings of The Quran are The Teachings of A Psychotic and That Psychotic Was Prophet Muhammad: Murderer, Terrorist, Torturer, Rapist, Child Molester free download at http://www.islamreform.net. His book ISLAM — EVIL IN THE NAME OF GOD ™ was banned in Malaysia.
Andy Car Park, April 27th, @14:17
Not just the articles, it seems that the crossword can also be a bit of a challenge.
1A. Sounds like a mail order service, or possibly even a male order service. (15)
Ref:
And to those that whinge about scrolling down and down and down – this is not the Comedy Store (for a start, Keith Vaz and Russell Brand ain’t here), this is a place for reasoned argument and factual, verifiable information that is often suppressed by the mainstream.
If you want one-liners and no subtsance, watch PMQ’s and QT
EC 27.04.12 19:30
‘singing about a very cold, motionless lady indeed’
Cold Ethyl
Is cold in bed
And so she should be
Cos Ethyl’s dead.
– Alice Cooper
Clear Memories – I’m not whinging, just not reading. “Sorry, but” I can’t be arsed to wade through a “comment” that long. I suggest you send it to Peter as a blog article – if it is. Or maybe just the link to the original with a pertinent comment, eh?
A “reasoned argument and factual, verifiable information” is not measured by length.
V
It’s awfully good of Clear Memories (30 April, 8:33 am et seq) to set the agenda (apparently dull, worthy and humourless) of Peter’s Blog and also to festoon it with comments which while, perhaps, are models of cogency and profundity, are far, far too long.
As Peter Sellers recommended: be short, be neat, be circumspect.
When Bruan Paddick made his little swan song after the election results were announced, he thanked his “husband” for his support. Interesting to know that an ex-police chief had the female role in this travesty of a marriage. Even more weird to know that if Lib Dems had won, this election, his husband would have played the part Dennis did in the Thatcher years 🙂