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  1. Nigel Farage explains to the Prime Minister how to conduct herself towards the President-elect of the United States.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/13/theresa-may-facing-cabinet-backlash-over-refusal-to-deal-with-ni/

    Perhaps May’s attitude can be explained by a failure of George Soros and H.R. Clinton to have yet burned their files on the Prime Minister and her Cabinet colleagues?

  2. Malfleur – 11:55
    “And I would not want anything in return”

    Sounds like Farage isn’t to happy with being part of any hierarchy: that very understandable, given the current hierarchies available! 🙂

  3. “Mrs May will today say that Mr Trump’s victory shows the Government must deal with the “overlooked” communities that have been transformed irrevocably by immigration without the “permission” of British voters.”

    Yes, they have all been saying that for quite some time. Unfortunately they have also been doing nothing about it but instead peddling the same “enrichment”, multi-culti platitudes to keep the demented lefties on side.

    Cameron declared multi-culturalism a failure in early 2011 but went on to do absolutely nothing to stop government, local government, the quangocracy and the commentariat from continuing to peddle it as “a good thing”.

  4. Malfleur – 10:46

    Good point.

  5. Malfleur – 11:55

    That Telegraph article is a joy! The comments by IDS proving that the “I” stands for imbecile.

    After all the terrible and untrue things that they said about Donald Trump during his election run, one would have thought that British politicians would have wanted to do an emergency “reverse ferret” but alas not! Rubbishing Nigel Farage, who was only British politician to support Mr Trump, is not a good way to proceed if they are contemplating digging themselves out of the hole that they dug for themselves! If we know one thing about Donald Trump it is that he is very loyal people who he considers his friends.

  6. Another malady to add to the list, this one should get wiped out as time goes by, one hopes, but if you know someone suffering from TARD, get him to a treatment centre at once:

    http://www.disclose.tv/news/are_you_suffering_from_trump_acceptance_resistance_disorder_tard/136500

  7. Colonel Mustard @ 12:54

    Good point, Colonel, but put yourself in their shoes, what would you do?

    As EC points out @13.48, many of them had publicly denounce the Donald, laughed at him, considered him a bad joke. Could they do a u-turn quickly without losing whatever remains of their public face?

    The most honourable thing would be to repent, say sorry, pour some ash over their heads. Not many have that courage, that’s why they’ve acted as the Hon Muslim’s lap dogs.

    The next best response would be to say nothing, but behave as if nothing of any significance has happened, just an election result, there would have been re-adjustments even if the Clinton woman got in. The EU has gone this route, very likely because that was what the Mutti told them to do.

    It seems our political gnomes haven’t the guts to any of it, keep on holding to the signals sent by the outgoing Hon Muslim. That’s the worst they can do, the Donald is more than capable to site with the Scottish shrew, bang about Scotland as a separate entity, and probably get it. Fugging madness.

  8. Malfleur @ 10:46

    The posting you’ve responded to was a rather crude analogy by Baron of what each of the tribes have been married to (for different reasons), it lacked a nuance.

    Your point would be more valid if you’ve argued that the Americans have always been in love with horsepower, first in the form of a horse, the animal of four legs plus (that was when they began conquering the West, cleansing the locals) then the car, a contraption of four wheels plus, no?

  9. Baron – 14:15

    The Westminster weasels could have attempted to excuse themselves by claiming that they were misinformed by CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo etc. ?
    Either:
    a) they don’t have the imagination.
    b) they really meant what they said

    Either way, it’s cue Sir Dickie Mottram CMG etc.

  10. Great piece on a weeping Huma Abedin. So tragic it left me in a good mood all morning:

    http://john-moloney.blogspot.com/2016/11/thank-god-for-internet.html

  11. Baron November 14th, 2016 – 14:15

    Well yes but in respect of Trump had those politicians exercised some foresight and circumspection – some statesmanship perhaps! – they might have avoided slagging of the eggs as bad before they were served for breakfast. They jumped on a bandwagon like the juvenile, irresponsible idiots most of them are, too ready to resort to Twitter and virtue signal their twattery in order to play up to the populism they supposedly decry and which they repeatedly misread.

    They never believed Trump might win, just as they never believed we would vote for Brexit.

    We are governed by clowns and children.

  12. Donald Trump names Reince Priebus chief of staff, and Steve Bannon as chief strategist.

  13. Mercer is calling for a Minister for Veterans.

    Not another Minister, with staff and wonks and a secretariat paid for by taxpayers to talking-shop a problem which belongs to the MOD and which could be resolved by kicking the fat arses of a few Generals and Admirals to sort out the great sloth of idiotic bureaucracy they preside over.

    Every time the consequences of crap government hit the news the answer seems to be to enlarge that crap government to try to solve the problems. Either another Ministry or another “Tsar”, some “independent” quangocrat grandee to build another empire of public funded bureaucrats doing “nice work if you can get it”. And I use the word “work” very loosely.

  14. EC (16:36)

    That was yesterday – where’s yo bin? 🙂

  15. Colonel Mustard @ 15:32

    Agreed.

    In the times of recent past when someone called Daniel Korski was at the Spectator re-joicing about the Arab Springs galore, Colonel, the barbarian made a point about the power and influence of the internet that couples with your observation

    You may recall many were saying the popular revolts in the ME against the likes of the Libyan Colonel spread like wildfires thanks to the internet platforms, the net was hailed as the best tool democracy could wish for, thanked for the rousing of the messes.

    The barbarian opined that the same might happen in the West, too. (He remembers it because Korski replied to it). Years later, like now, it actually does happen. The ability of the ordinary people in the West to get information not just from the MSM poodles, but also from unfiltered sources may have been a factor in both the Brexit decision, and the Donald’s win.

  16. Alex Feltham @ 15:01

    An enjoyable piece, Alex, but on a purely human level untarnished by political interference one must feel abit for the woman. A pervert of a husband, and now a total catastrophe on the job front. Not an enviable parring of events, is it?

  17. Frank P @ 14:45

    The poorly educated Slav can barely type without mistakes, how could be furnish a seminal piece, Frank?

    For what it’s worth, here’s his non-seminal twopenny piece.

    Colonel: “Time and again, history has shown that only strong leaders, not appeasers, can maintain peace and security. It was the strength of Ronald Reagan with Margaret Thatcher at his shoulder that brought about the collapse of the Soviet Union, which had threatened and attacked Western democracies across the globe for decades”.

    No argument with the sentiment of the first sentence, but what follows is more than questionable, in fact, it’s wrong.

    The USSR would have collapsed on its own, Reagan cum Mrs T (as she was then) may have speeded up the breakdown, should never be solely credited for it.

    The communist regime couldn’t fulfil the aspirations of its people, it couldn’t even feed them, its economic model amounted to a pile of crap whatever re-organisation they imposed on it, the doctrine it was based on was inimical to reality.

    Since the invasion of Czechoslovakia, the communist thuggery has also lost any moral justification for its existence. The plebeians didn’t want to carry on with it, the elites couldn’t.

    (Baron may be blowing his own trumpet here, but he’s in possession of records from his questioning by a KGB Colonel at Ljubjanka – not the one in charge of Russia today, he was still wearing short trousers – telling him why the regime must fold up. Baron couldn’t deny it anyway, the KGB had secret tape recordings of his ranting).

    The Colonel errs also on the issue of how big a threat the USSR was to ‘the democracies of the West” (btw, where did it attack the free West militarily anyway?).

    How could a crappy system accomplish it? (For everyone could see the economic deprivation of the country, the lack of basic freedoms, the existence of not just a barbwire Gulags in Siberia, but one that spread throughout Russia and its vassals). How could such a construct – economically bankrupt, morally vacuous, spiritually empty – genuinely threaten any country without getting kicked into the long grass in no time at all?

    Only two more points on the key message of the piece.

    The proposal for an EU Armed Forces’s but a smokescreen for a fighting force controlled by the Germans in the way they’ve been controlling the EU. The biggest EU member already has a military force that’s far bigger than ours, and it’s a well hidden secret that its commanding layer is getting fed up with the American presence on the German soil. The occupying forces have outstayed their usefulness, the new Germany is powerful enough to stand up on its own to any military challenges, but fearing a backlash from its own people (the past’s still on their minds), the de-tour via the EU Army offers the way out.

    The idea apparently is for the proposed EU Force to continue to subscribe to the nuclear protection offered by the Americans, but to take over the rest of the defensive commitments. That sounds plausible, and given the Donald’s stance on NATO, probably doable.

    Virtually every pundit argues that NATO has provided the guarantee of Western security since WW2. The barbarian humbly disagrees (he said it many time before), it has been MAD that has furnished peace and with it the chance to boost the standard of living throughout the West (and beyond).

    Imagine NATO didn’t exist, but the Americans (also Britain, France) were in possession of the nuclear deterrent, offered to defend the non-nuclear nations of the West in case of an attack through bi-lateral treaties. Would the USSR tried to invade any of the countries under the nuclear protective umbrella? Would Putin’s Russia? The answer must be bleeding obvious, neither Russia would.

    You and others may be tired reading the same argument from the barbarian but here it comes again (hopefully for the last time).

    There seems to be at least three solid motives to explain the boisterous warmongering against Russia:

    The inability or unwillingness to face up to the expansion of Islam to the West. Not the jihadi treat, that’s doable, but the one that’s bound to emerge more and more as the followers of Allah become a larger part of the population of the West. Some of them will assimilate, but a large number will continue to regard the teaching of Allah above the secular approach to governance by man-made laws. How does one gel the two together?

    The Western governing elites must be aware of it, they aren’t blind, but they simply haven’t got the answer, couldn’t have worked it out anyway with the Hon Muslim in charge. We shall see what the Donald comes up with, the temporary ban on Muslim immigration smells like a good start.

    The other motive behind the unceasing attacks on Russia is the KGB Colonel himself, his musings about the importance of heterosexual family unit, countries’ sovereignty, Judaeo-Christian history, or whatever. This resonates with a large chunk of the Western unwashed, but goes directly against the shibboleths of the progressives. Kick him out a la Maidan, replace him with someone like Erdogan, and voila, the progressives will calm down.

    The third motive driving the so far mostly verbal onslaughts on Russia is the need of the US military for a a major MOT. That’s a genuine reason, one can understand it, back it up.

    The gear the US military possess, would deploy in any imminent theatre of war has become obsolete, it was designed decades ago, it needs updating. To do so, against the background of high sovereign debt and stagnating living standard of the American plebs, the ruling elites must convince the people of America to tighten up their belts some more.

    One cannot get away with the need for tightening if the enemy is a bunch of camel herders equipped with IEDs and AK-47s, you need an enemy that already has, can get the sophisticated stuff the US military dream of and want.

    Apart from the above, the Colonel has it about right.

    Errors, there must be errors, sorry.

  18. So gather round people from all over the land ,
    And don’t criticise what you don’t understand ,
    ,your sons and your daughters are out of your command .
    for the times they are a changing.
    Fuck the lefties, were all right wing now.

  19. The great ‘lover’ of Putin, the imminent historian Anne Applebaum has a piece in the DM today, a friend of Baron delivered the large verbal vomit personally to please him.

    He won’t bother you with any of the argument, there isn’t any, but this is one of the things about the Donald: “Trump prefers dictators to democrats” As if Obama didn’t worship the ‘democratic rulers of Saudi Arabia, the other Gulf states, let Erdogan to imprison tens of thousands of political opponents like journalists, judges, lawyers….

    Also: Trump ‘isn’t bothered about the sanctity of borders or the rule of law”. No kidding, she does say the Donald doesn’t care about borders even though few paragraphs further she says (quoting Gingrich) “the Mexicans will not pay for the wall”.

    A top puke this.

  20. Baron (22:54)

    The Speccy filter won’t let me read Massie’s piece … thank fuck!

  21. Baron – 23:16
    They are still in a daze! 🙂

  22. Bulgaria. Pro-Russian wins Presidential Election (60%) / Government candidate 35%.

    Grievances are that Bulgaria entered the EU as the poorest country ; she still is but now the gap is greater, whilst the EU wont allow them to get cheaper energy from Russia and farming is damaged by the CAP.

  23. USA election abuse from Republican side : ” a hideous hermaphroditical character…neither the force and firmness of a man nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman “.

    ( Jeffersonions V. John Adams )

    http://ti.me/2fFn1V2

  24. Frank P @ 23:26

    That’ silly, but strange because it’s the blog, Frank. One has to register though. Have they asked you to register?

    Also, try the following: When the register page appears, place the cursor into the page address slot (or whatever it’s called), and then hit the return key. It works for Baron.

    Unfortunately, to copy the verbal eructation would not be enough, well, it’s not worth it, it’s the postings that score top marks, some people are truly witty.

    (The barbarian is on the watch for the biggest moon for what? almost 70 years, he reckons he won’t be here when the next one comes in 2034). So far so fudging awful, the sky’s covered in misty clouds.)

  25. We seem to be getting a stream of repeat news. It must be the “world” si moving faster after the US count, no?

  26. Yall going to need energy to keep up when The Donald takes over in January:
    As Dan P MacAdam wrote-
    “Like George W. Bush and Bill Clinton (and Teddy Roosevelt, who tops the presidential extroversion list), Trump plays his role in an outgoing, exuberant, and socially dominant manner. He is a dynamo—driven, restless, unable to keep still. He gets by with very little sleep. In his 1987 book, The Art of the Deal, Trump described his days as stuffed with meetings and phone calls. Some 30 years later, he is still constantly interacting with other people—at rallies, in interviews, on social media. Presidential candidates on the campaign trail are studies in perpetual motion. But nobody else seems to embrace the campaign with the gusto of Trump. And no other candidate seems to have so much fun.”

    I believe your very own Donald has written in purple prose to his detractors to stop whinging and get on with getting on with our President Elect.
    Like any good CEO he has always gathered good people around him. That made him a successful businessman and will make him the most successful President since the late great Ronald Reagan.

  27. And cop the genius of his Steve Bannon appointment:

    “I wasn’t political until I got into the service and saw how badly Jimmy Carter f—– things up.

    “I became a huge Reagan admirer. Still am. ”

    “But what turned me against the whole establishment was coming back from running companies in Asia in 2008 and seeing that Bush had f—– up as badly as Carter. The whole country was a disaster”

  28. Baron November 14th, 2016 – 22:54

    Went and had a read and left a few comments, thank you Baron.

    But not having been there too much lately I was astonished by the number of lefties now spluttering below the article and clearly not all trolls.

    What a dire change in that magazine since I first started reading it. No sage and insightful conservative journal now. It appears to have been “modernised” like the Tories and now attracts lefties who, let’s face it, are not exactly short of representation and pandering to within the media and public narrative.

  29. Even the Communists over on Spiked are protesting the threat to free speech in Britain.

    http://www.spiked-online.com/freespeechnow/fsn_article/the-european-assault-on-freedom-of-speech#.WCrTBXecaRt

  30. Colonel Mustard 08.07

    I recently renewed my Spectator subscription for another year.
    It was I now believe, a mistake for me to do so. The publication is now, by and large, a triumph of post new labour newsspeak, a pean of self praise written by and for the new peons of Islington.
    The editorial attack on Trump in this week’s edition was a particular disgrace.

    Donald Trump predicted that his election would be ‘Brexit times ten’ — which, as far as the stockmarket reaction was concerned, had some merit. The dollar plunged, and the Dow Jones along with it. Once again, the pollsters have been confounded. Once again, political analysts have been left asking whether they know their country at all. And once again we can see the same group of voters at the forefront: the older, poorer ones who are concerned about demographic change and angry about being ignored for too long. In Britain, and now in America, they are the new revolutionary class.

    This is where the analogies with Brexit end. Vote Leave, the campaign for Britain to leave the European Union, was led by people who were liberal, globally minded and optimistic. There certainly was anger at a failed status quo among many of those who voted for Brexit, but the prospectus put in front of people was about a global Britain rather than a Little England. It was an argument about encouraging more trade, lowering tariffs, restoring sovereignty, reducing net immigration — all ideas which voters proved very capable of understanding.

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    Donald Trump has no similar agenda. He offers emotion, but not much beyond that. He dislikes trade, and global capitalism in general. His immigration policy has amounted to a bizarre threat to ban Muslims from entering the country and build a wall between the United States and Mexico. At any other time, these policies would have disqualified him from the office — but this year Americans were not looking for solutions. Trumpism was about stopping Hillary Clinton from becoming president and sticking two fingers up to the machine. And beyond that, it is not about very much.

    It’s not that Americans look up to Trump. Two thirds of them say that he lacks the temperament and character to be president, but they elected him anyway. He is there to dismantle rather than oil the Washington machine: an unpleasant man sent to upset, rather than engage, people in the seat of American government. In Britain, the vote for Brexit represented politicians giving the public a chance to fix the system, if that is what they felt needed to be done. It was followed by Theresa May becoming Prime Minister and enjoying levels of popularity that neither Mr Trump nor Mrs Clinton could dream of. We have a system that works: hence Brexit. America’s politics is broken: hence Trump.

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    His election is not a triumph for American conservatism. Instead, the Republican party has fallen to a hostile takeover from a man who has a mercantilist view about commerce and talks about starting trade wars with China. This agenda wooed many former Democratic voters, especially in the rust-belt states — where older white men in rural areas started to think and vote like a minority.

    For the Democrats to field Hillary Clinton was an act of political suicide. She embodies the gilded political establishment that was in the dock. She carried all the baggage of someone who has been in public life for the last quarter-century: the very opposite of a ‘change’ candidate. Without doubt, she was Trump’s greatest electoral asset. She played straight into his hands, treating white working-class voters with contempt and referring to those who backed him as ‘deplorables’.

    The challenge that his election presents to the West are significant. It plunges Nato into crisis: the new commander–in-chief has said he regards it less as a defence alliance and more as a form of military welfare, a means for European countries to skimp on defence spending because they can rely on Uncle Sam’s protection. His analysis has force because it is quite correct. He has said he will charge Nato members for membership; we will now see if he was serious. But Europe must now imagine a world without Pax Americana, and it’s one where Britain might be rather glad that it has an independent nuclear deterrent. And where much of Europe will be glad to have Britain as an ally.

    The last eight years have shown how dangerous the world becomes without clear American leadership. The election of this isolationist to the White House will lead to a temptation for an antagonist — perhaps Moscow — to test this new world order and watch the reaction.

    And how will Trump respond? It will depend on who he appoints to advise him, and who he recruits to his cabinet. Here, again, there is little ground for optimism. Some of the names being touted are even more extraordinary than his own.

    Americans have voted for change, and seemingly didn’t mind very much what form it took. The success of a candidate as grotesque as Donald Trump speaks to the depth of the despair felt in the country. Voters, faced with what most regarded as the worst political choice of their lifetime, have returned the worst candidate in a very long time. There is not much reason to be optimistic of this ending well for Mr Trump or for the Republicans.

    The retreat of American leadership will mean that smaller nations — such as Britain — will have to play a larger role. This is not an outcome that Theresa May wanted, but it has happened nonetheless. The days when we could rely on America to resolve the world’s disputes have just ended.”

  31. Noa – 09:30

    Are they trying to highlight their incompetence? The magazine is supposed to enlighten!

    It’s right about “Vote Leave … was led by people who were liberal, globally minded and optimistic” and “For the Democrats to field Hillary Clinton was an act of political suicide”, but not much else that makes no difference. Where they get it half right, they put the wrong angle on it. For instance:
    “The retreat of American leadership will mean that smaller nations — such as Britain — will have to play a larger role.”

    should be:
    “With America focusing on what is good for America and its people, and not supranational bodies and their bureaucrats, it will encourage other nations to do likewise, to the benefit of the many.”

    Just think: the IPCC, the UN, the EU, and the Clinton Foundation, crumbling due to the lack of ‘donations’!

  32. Evil things are being said in the pinko East Coast Media about Steve Bannon, but today the fight back starts:

    Yall will know Joel Pollack

    “[I] think that when you do this, this is what the media do, this is what the establishment does — they throw out a bunch of innuendo to try to smear someone,” Pollak said. “The most offensive thing Steve Bannon ever did was win the White House with Donald Trump. And if it was up to these people, it would be Hillary Clinton picking the Supreme Court and consigning our democracy to decline. And Steve Bannon deserves the praise of these folks, not their condemnation.”

  33. Taki on Trump
    “…this election was basically the politically correct versus the politically incorrect. Although blue collars may not sound too sophisticated to snotty-nosed Beltway insiders, the blues know that this is no longer a war between nation states but a fight between civilisations: Islam and the West. An American president with an IQ lower than his younger daughter’s age invaded the Middle East, claiming that the region would welcome having American values imposed upon it. Hillary voted for that disastrous action; Trump was against it from the start. Americans see Europe and cringe. They see ‘Frenchmen’ cheering as their white countrymen are murdered in cold blood by Muslims and realise that this is a war fought by immigration. They put two and two together and calculate that in 100 years there will be more Muslims in Europe than white European Christians, and that Sharia law will be imposed from above. And they also see a Dutch MP on trial for speaking against unlimited immigration, an MP, incidentally, who was refused entry to the UK for being right-wing, whatever that means…”

    http://takimag.com/article/the_future_is_trump_taki/print#ixzz4Q5d25t7X

  34. I post for balance.
    Balance.

  35. Noa 1500

    I read the right wing press and marvel at the triumphalism, hubris, gushing and fawning that has followed the General Election in the United Stares of America.
    For God’s sake Farage is putting himself forward as a go between.

    What?

    The man is good at one liners but that we might trust him with our future must be a joke. He has to be the Quisling of the current century.

    And after unshaven Bannon, we read in the Sunday Times that Newt Gingrich is touted as Secretary of State – remember the Americans ditched Barry Goldwater in 1964 because he would cause World War III.

    Well with Gingrich it will be all alright this time -and with Trump and Gingrich world peace will break out – a new Pax Americana.

  36. The average Trump voter……No joking . The Republican vote greatly increased in small towns and rural areas.

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Hgbi2CtxEJI/maxresdefault.jpg

  37. Under which US President were NATO guns first fired in anger ?
    Under which US President were British troops ordered to open fire on the Russian Army?
    What answer was given by the British Commander?
    Some-what rhetorical questions;but a harder one : where were American troops at the time and why?

  38. Patriccia Shaw/Teleturd 15:35

    Ah tele, transgendered as you now are, I do savour the smell of fear that emanates from you, traitorous socialist that you are.
    As a Quisling yourself now doubt you fear a similar fate
    Did you never think the day of reckoning would come as a result of your systematic attempts to destroy the West?
    As to the new Pax Americana, see how Pat Buchanan envisages it here, and weep:

    http://takimag.com/article/a_trump_doctrine_america_first_patrick_buchanan/page_2#axzz4Q5cFUBKC

  39. How the influential NYT slices the Donald’s take on Russia, and the future of US-Russia relationship. If you decide to read it, miss no this part of the editorial:

    “His (Putin’s) foreign policy is a fairly consistent continuation of Soviet policy — preventing Western encirclement by moving into Ukraine; fighting proxy battles to support Russian interests, as in Syria; and challenging American power wherever possible”.

    The aim of ‘Western encirclement’ of the post-communist Russia is exactly for what? To show how friendly the West is? Hmmm One could have backed up, and Baron did wholeheartedly, such moves when the country was run by the communist thugs, but why now? Not one group of international observers, and that includes the Americans, complained about the legitimacy of Russian elections, the Russian unwashed are free to leave the country, can own property, run businesses, employ others ….

    As things stand, Russia hasn’t ‘moved’ into Ukraine, but a part of it inhabited mostly by indigenous Russians to help them, and only because the ‘friendly” American neocons either engineered or were unable to prevent an armed putsch in Kiev. After the violent takeover, the removal of a democratically elected (but unquestionably corrupt) President, the basket case country has morphed into a country without even the basket.

    Where else, apart from Syria, are the Russians fighting? They’re engaged in the Assad’s fiefdom only because they were asked to help. Syria as any other sovereign country, and a member of the UN has every right to fight invaders i.e. the insurgents who are almost all foreign (equipped by the American proxies), and now also the American troops, that of Turkey, and regretfully ours.

    Where else is Russia ‘challenging’ American power? Even if it were, what right do the Americans have to be unchallenged? Do they own the world?

    Not that the poorly educated Slav sides fully with the Kremlin Tzar, but unless someone had the guts to stop the American neocons invading countries as they please, messing them up without finishing the job well (as Britain did when in charge of policing internationally), very soon the whole world will look exactly as the ME or Ukraine do now – broken economically, divided by race, ethnicity, political orientation, and very much poorer than before.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/13/opinion/sunday/the-danger-of-going-soft-on-russia.html?_r=0

  40. Frank P – 17:59

    The news up here has pass thru Noa first! 🙂
    I thought that you might enjoy this one…

    Trey Gowdy’s thoughts on being the AG, and also the law and application of thereof.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmaPJOGX_QY

    [3mins 37sec]

  41. Noa @ 18:06

    One of the best on the Saudi thugs, thanks for digging it up, Noa, it will get pretty wide coverage, the barbarian will get to it at once.

    In a way, it links with B aron’s posting at 18.43. The wanking scribblers at the NYT should at least balance the tirade on Putin with one on the Saudis. Are they going to?

    Of course not, they’ve been very likely bribed by the same rich tosser who, as the guy in the clip says, is only rich by sheer luck what with being born over a large lake of oil.

  42. Colonel Mustard @ 08:07

    Your helpful presence was noticed, Colonel, duly rewarded, but perhaps not on all your hits. The sheer number of postings makes it impossible to get through the whole blog, in particular when time’s at a premium.

    You (and others) should visit more often. Every little helps, and you are more than capable to deliver much more than little.

  43. Radford NG November 15th, 2016 – 17:00

    All Yugoslavia/Balkans related?

    I think the answer to your second question might be during the stand off at Pristina airport in 1999? The US President then was Clinton although I’m not sure if he was directly involved. The Brit CO was Mike Jackson who refused Wesley Clark’s order to block the runway (not to open fire) saying he was not going to start WW3 for him. I believe James “You’re Beautiful” Blunt was also involved.

    For the first question I think it was an air action in 1994 when US F-16s destroyed four Bosnian Serb aircraft. Also Clinton I guess.

  44. EC @ 18:37

    Very impressive guy, EC, the barbarian noticed him first when he grilled Comey. Hopefully, the Donald knows about him.

  45. Radford NG @ 17:00

    You tell us, Radford, the barbarian give sup.

  46. Noa November 15th, 2016 – 17:53

    Nice one!

  47. EC November 15th, 2016 – 18:37

    Starmer and Saunders should listen to that and hang their heads in shame.

    Between them they have undermined the law here.

  48. EU Commission President mocks our most important ally and all the talking heads nod sagely: http://bit.ly/2gebqR8

    Some nobody mocks Michelle Obama and civilisation is at an end

  49. The History Man:

    Yup, it is he, Niall Ferguson, the historian of Scottish ancestry, the Laurence Tisch Professor of History ant Harvard, Senior Research Fellow of Jesus College, Oxford, Senior Fellow of the Hoover Institution blah, blah, blah …. (if you want to be impressed some more, google him). In 2004, he was named as one of the 100 most influential people in the world by Time magazine.

    The Eminence of Things Historic has a regular column in the ST, and almost without fail has devoted it in the past weeks to telling us why the Donald cannot, and will not be the next Potus.

    On October 16, his column is entitled ‘Serial lecher Trump finally blows up.

    If you think Trump’s ‘caveman politics’, his ‘deeply phoney machismo’ is what will put people off, you are only half right. What will do it definitely is that the Donald is Vlad’s dupe, not a pawn, that’s ruled out what with the Donald being an American, but his dupe.

    And what follows, some three quarters of the verbal belch, is all about Putin’s ‘plan to destroy the West’, his meddling in the election’, (it’s believed) in the release by WikiLeaks of emails to and from Clinton’ …..

    There’s also Trump’s ‘openly stated desire to do a great deal’ with Putin, his (Trump’s) sin of hiring ‘Paul Manafort, who worked for the Kremlin’s crony Victor Yanukovych, the ‘suspiciously close ties of Carter Page with Moscow’ blah, blah, blah.

    As if that wasn’t enough to bury the Donald, His Eminence urges readers to think what the Russian Government ‘were doing in Aleppo, bombing the city to rubble, killing hundreds of innocent people to keep a murderous tyrant in power’. If you want to ask what does Aleppo have to do with the Donald you have to talk to his Eminence, Baron has no idea.

    (Curiously, His Eminence ends the verbal vomit by saying ‘the election is rigged’, urging readers ‘to download the Sputnik app to their smartphones at once – he says ‘today’ – that is rather puzzling, but here you go).

    The first Sunday after the election, His Eminence has to fill in by far bigger column inches dissecting the reasons for the Donald’s win. It’s headed “This was no whitewash, it was a vote to get American working’.

    The barbarian will not bore you with his speculating whether it was the white versus the non-white divide, the wealth gap, the issue of gender, the immigrants, the underclass or whatever that killed the Clinton woman’s ambition, elevated the Donald to the number one slot. None of it matters for the point Baron’s trying to make.

    And the point is this: In the post-election column (from November 13), his Eminence doesn’t mention Putin once, not even a fleeting reference to him, any of the misdeeds he identified, explained, underlined barely a month before. None of the stuff of ‘Putin’s stench’ that was supposed to bury the Donald – nothing, zilch, big naught.

    Everyone acknowledges the importance of education, it’s supposed to be the tool that secures the future of those nations that pursue it. ‘Learn or die’, shout the policy makers the world over.

    Run this cry for high quality education of the young against the judgment of a man who’s supposed to rank amongst the world’s 100 most influential people, a man who teaches the next generation of the American and British kids, installs in their minds the lessons of history.

    What chance do we have against the next generation of the Chinese, the Japanese, the Indian or whoever? What chance of reducing the myriads of clips on u-tube showing the dumbness of the Western crowds if the elites are taught by teachers of His Eminence caliber?

    You may find the coupling of the Eminence’s laughable ST heaps of agitprop and his teaching duties much removed from each other. But are they? Many of the students at the prestigious institutions he lectures may become themselves teachers in primary or secondary schools, passing the totally distorted slicing of history to scores of young virgin minds.

  50. This may be of interest to you, it’s by Douglas, and a part of it is so surreal you may think it’s a fake, the letter he’s commenting on.

    When you click on the address, a screen will appear asking you to register to continue reading. Ignore it, put the cursor in the finder, press enter on your gadget. That should get you there. If it doesn’t work, you have to register, it costs nothing.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/11/search-trumps-alleged-homophobia-continues/

  51. One of the postings in the blog the barbarian asks you to visit at 23.06 reads as follows:

    Captain Drylands: “If, as gays assert and I do not doubt, a homosexual cannot choose to be a non-homosexual, can a homophobe choose not to be a homophobe? Has anyone explained the mechanism that governs the former, and how it differs from the mechanism that governs the latter”?

    What do you make of it?

  52. Baron November 15th, 2016 – 23:21

    It is an interesting question because, before the emancipation of homosexuals, it was quite common for heterosexuals to express a physical revulsion at the idea of homosexual sex. Some still do. Whether that revulsion was/is involuntary or conditioned I have no idea.

    But it also raises the question of the difference between passive tolerance and active approval which is becoming rather blurred. It seems that approval is demanded and that tolerance without approval is disapproved of if not condemned as intolerance. It is surely in human nature to tolerate things one might disapprove of or feel ambiguous about, so are we being moved towards a North Korean situation where one must express public approval to avoid the charge of hatred, intolerance or bigotry?

    It is ironic that the things the left disapprove of are seldom tolerated and their instinct is always towards banning or coercion. That is the Marcusean philosophy where they claim for themselves a moral absolutism that permits them not to tolerate what they label as intolerant or which they disapprove of. It is bogus of course but is the basis for their assaults, physical and verbal, on UKIP for example.

  53. Noa @ 09:30

    Misguided, Noa, isn’t it, the Spectator’s leader.

    Juts this section of it: “The last eight years have shown how dangerous the world becomes without clear American leadership. The election of this isolationist to the White House will lead to a temptation for an antagonist — perhaps Moscow — to test this new world order and watch the reaction”.

    Eight years without a leadership? What TF are they talking about when in the same eight years at every and each opportunity they’ve ululating happily about the wisdom, wit and the leadership qualities of the Hon Muslim.

    In his accolade James Forsyth said (November 8, 2008): “That change (the election of Obama as President) has now come to the nation as a whole. No other president has ever changed America as much as Obama has by just being elected.” (see the full piece below).

    On Trump, :the isolationist”.

    Why should the Donald by focusing on bettering the lives of his compatriots, securing America’s borders, asking other nations to contribute to their defence, co-existing with other powers, why should that be dismissed, criticised, or ridiculed as ‘isolationism’?

    On the “temptation of an antagonist – perhaps Moscow”:

    What can the Russians do? Their GDP ranks below that of California, apart from some sections of their industry (airspace, defence) they have little, their imports of basic foodstuff used to run at some $35bn pa (the amounts has been reduced). Could such a country seriously threaten the Republic? The world, even her neighbours?

    http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/8th-november-2008/16/obama-has-changed-the-world-just-by-being-elected

  54. Colonel Mustard @ 23:57

    Thanks, Colonel, totally in agreement with you.

  55. Another day in Berlin and Brussels, another nail in the coffin lid:

    In its struggle against Russia for influence, Berlin has just suffered a severe setback with the results of Moldova’s presidential runoff elections last Sunday.
    Official German representatives were relying on the liberal conservative
    candidate Maia Sandu to win the elections in the Republic of Moldova,
    located between Romania and Ukraine, with its population of 3.5
    million. Sandu sought to maintain the country’s pro-EU orientation.

    However, the Socialist Igor Dodon won the elections. He not only has
    recognized Crimea’s joining the Russian Federation, he also wants to
    terminate Moldova’s EU association. Dodon’s victory is another sign
    that Germany and the EU are loosing influence in that country. Most
    recently, proponents of the country’s neutrality formed the government
    and began putting a distance between their country and NATO. Now even
    closer ties between the Republic of Moldova and the Russian-led
    Eurasian Economic Union seem conceivable.

    more
    http://www.german-foreign-policy.com/en/fulltext/58984

  56. EC 18.37

    Am I to assume you consider me to be operate some form of media colonic irrigation…?

  57. Mine above :

    I am thinking here of the Clinton joint-presidents`(2 for the price of 1;she said) unauthorized aggression against Yugoslavia in 1999 ; rather then the actions in Bosnia in 1994 which were under UN Mandate.

    A situation developed with British forces under Captain James Blunt facing the Russian Army that had arrived at Prestina airport and being told by General Wesley Clark to engage them.During a radio argument General Mike Jackson intervened to tell the British force to surround the Russians.
    Either then,or in private,Jackson told Clark he wasn’t going to start a war with Russia with-out authority from Downing St, which he knew he wouldn’t get.

    Meanwhile were where the American forces? According to The(normally gung-ho) American Spectator (TAS) they were over the border in Macedonia waiting for 7pm+ EST when the main TV news started in the Eastern USA so to be seen crossing the border `live`. This was after an argument between the Army and the Marines as to which should cross the border first.

    This had all started over a law enforcement action (according to TAS) when an Albanian bandit chief ambushed and killed a police patrol.The government responded with a massacre of much of the chieftains clan.
    What was needed was an intervention to bang the heads of both sides together;but the Clintons decided to embark on regime change with-out authority from the UN under the claim that the Kosova muslims were being ethnically-cleansed. (We have seen similar things more recently.)

    A greatly weakened Russia ( the patron of the Serbs ) under Boris Yeltsin had been unable to do any thing about it ; except issue a C,D. —-which I have before me—-titled “Our Response To NATO” consisting of Russian Army marches.

  58. Yall should check out Jeff Poor on Ann Coulter:

    “Tuesday on Sean Hannity’s nationally syndicated radio show, conservative columnist and “In Trump We Trust: E Pluribus Awesome!” author Ann Coulter offered her thoughts on accusations aimed at Stephen K. Bannon, President-elect Donald Trump’s chief strategist and senior counselor appointee, of an anti-Semite and a racist.

    Coulter noted Trump had faced similar criticisms throughout the campaign and that coverage of the “alt-right” began upon Trump’s decision to run for the White House.

    “We’ve just gone through 16 months with the media calling Trump ‘Hitler,’” she said. “I believe every single op-ed columnist at The New York Times at one point or another in past year has a brilliant think piece on the comparisons between Donald Trump and Adolf Hitler. It didn’t work, so now they’re trying it with is aide. You know, I had never heard of, and I’m sure you haven’t, nobody had heard of this ‘alt-right until Donald Trump was running. But now having discovered these teenagers – they’re really leading the way in taunting the media and the liberals. And their position – I think they’re leading us the way out of this by just saying, ‘No, actually it is fun to be called a racist.’”

    Coulter went on to add what she thought the appropriate response should be to those attacking Bannon.

    “The only reaction to this nonsense – I don’t want to anyone going on TV and somberly telling us that Steve Bannon is not an anti-Semite, he is not a racist,” she added. “How about, ‘Screw you’?”

    “I kind of like your attitude, Coulter,” Hannity replied.

  59. Theresa May – six years of Olympic betrayal in the Home Office, a Remain voter and a Brexit denier in sheep’s clothing. I quote:

    Although there appears to be quite a bit of confusion surrounding a leaked memo about the development of Brexit plans, I’m confident that it came from Deloittes. The audits-to-consultancy giant was briefed by May’s Brexit team three months ago. The email concerned allegedly offered frank views for internal consumption about the process being an anarchic shambles, and the spin given out about ‘carefully prepared plans’ was dismissed as completely false. I also understand the executive concerned describes the political splits as a nightmare.

    I don’t really see this as “news”, because in over twenty years of having HMG as a client in various guises, it merely confirms my experience of lies, short-term bungling, civil servant obstructionism, schisms, policy driven on the political hoof, and last-minute panic.

    We were told by George Osborne the week after Brexit during a televised media conference that “plans have been developed in detail by Treasury officials as regards what to do next”. This was an outright lie: nothing at all had been planned.

    We were told by Theresa May that there would be “no tolerance of plans to subvert the Brexit process”. This also I know to be totally misleading: she has no power over Chancellor Philip Hammond whatsoever, and Treasury mules have undermined all attempts to move Brexit forward – an early gambit was to tell the Brexit troika that Whitehall would need 30,000 additional employees “just to get things on the road”.

    Also very clear is that, since the email story broke, Mother Theresa’s goons have been covering every chance of other MSM outlets piling in by deflecting the story with additional off the record briefing and leaks.

    This is the third time since becoming PM that she has done this – further proof that her time as Home Secretary was largely spent tightening up the modus operandi for shutting up the media. (It certainly wasn’t spent mapping the presence of Jihadists in the UK, or controlling the immigrant intake).

    In the last week, Waspis have learned that the DWP employed spinners to dissemble about statistics, financial bonuses, and surpluses there. May herself has twice lied during PMQs about “ameliatory measures” to help cheated pensioners, but they seem to exist largely in her fertile imagination….made so with liberal dollops of horseshxx.

    May is also refusing to use UKIP interim leader Nigel Farage as a go-between and facilitator with President-Elect Trump. Farage is a canny lad who knew full well beforehand that she’d turn down his offer of help: the last thing Prime Minister Shoebucket wants is anything that embellishes his reputation further.

    But cunning or not, Farage is absolutely right for once: she is putting political advantage before success for Britain.

    I have warned since Day 1 that Ms May wants slow-to-no Brexit, and a General Election to be called after the debate about terms. That debate and those terms are slipping back every week. And every week lost is a betrayal of democracy.

    I have also repeatedly said that, after March 31st 2017, Article 50 processes cease to be based on simple majority voting. Endless pathetic attempts by both Brussels and Downing Street to muddy those waters with detail cannot change the reality: after March 31st, the process will be slower.

    After a General Election in which Theresa May is returned with a whopping majority, that Brexit process will quietly change gear into neutral.

    Theresa May is a spin doctor who mean business. And that business is a hollow Brexit. The words will be uttered but there will never, ever be a Brexit.

    https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2016/11/15/official-government-auditors-there-is-no-may-plan-for-brexit/

    As Hitchens summarised: You voted for a revolution. What you got was a Blairite robot.

  60. Theresa May – six years of Olympic betrayal in the Home Office, a Remain voter and a Brexit denier in sheep’s clothing. I quote:

    Although there appears to be quite a bit of confusion surrounding a leaked memo about the development of Brexit plans, I’m confident that it came from Deloittes. The audits-to-consultancy giant was briefed by May’s Brexit team three months ago. The email concerned allegedly offered frank views for internal consumption about the process being an anarchic shambles, and the spin given out about ‘carefully prepared plans’ was dismissed as completely false. I also understand the executive concerned describes the political splits as a nightmare.

    I don’t really see this as “news”, because in over twenty years of having HMG as a client in various guises, it merely confirms my experience of lies, short-term bungling, civil servant obstructionism, schisms, policy driven on the political hoof, and last-minute panic.

    We were told by George Osborne the week after Brexit during a televised media conference that “plans have been developed in detail by Treasury officials as regards what to do next”. This was an outright lie: nothing at all had been planned.

    We were told by May that there would be “no tolerance of plans to subvert the Brexit process”. This is totally misleading. She has no power over Chancellor Philip Hammond whatsoever, and Treasury mules have undermined all attempts to move Brexit forward – an early gambit was to tell the Brexit troika that Whitehall would need 30,000 additional employees “just to get things on the road”.

    Also very clear is that, since the email story broke, Theresa’s goons have been covering every chance of other MSM outlets piling in by deflecting the story with additional off-the-record briefing and leaks.

    This is the third time since becoming prime minister that she has done this – further proof that her time as Home Secretary was largely spent tightening up the modus operandi for shutting up the media. (It certainly wasn’t spent mapping the presence of Jihadists in the UK, or controlling the immigration intake).

    May is also refusing to use UKIP interim leader Nigel Farage as a go-between with President-Elect Trump. Farage is a canny lad who knew full well beforehand that she’d turn down his offer of help: the last thing Prime Minister Shoebucket wants is anything that embellishes his reputation further.

    But cunning or not, Farage is absolutely right: she is putting political advantage before success for Britain.

    I have warned since Day 1 that Ms May wants slow-to-no Brexit, and a General Election to be called after the debate about terms. That debate and those terms are slipping back every week. And every week lost is a betrayal of democracy.

    I have also repeatedly said that, after March 31st 2017, Article 50 processes cease to be based on simple majority voting. Endless pathetic attempts by both Brussels and Downing Street to muddy those waters with detail cannot change the reality: after March 31st, the process will be slower.

    After a General Election in which Theresa May is returned with a whopping majority, that Brexit process will quietly change gear into neutral.

    Theresa May is a spin doctor who mean business. And that business is a hollow Brexit. The words will be uttered but there will never, ever be a Brexit.

    https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2016/11/15/official-government-auditors-there-is-no-may-plan-for-brexit/

    As Hitchens summarised: You voted for a revolution. Wht you got was a Blairite robot.

  61. Jeano, you must know that on election night when it was suspected that Donald would do it, TV stations and websites such as Breitbart flashed our Brexit on the screens.
    Your Premier would not dare fail to deliver.

  62. She spent six year spinning in the Home Office doing just that – failing to deliver – and spun it all as a rip-roaring success. She is Britain’s Hillary Clinton without the funny cigar stories.

  63. Yeah Jeano,

    As the Toronto Sun asked “Still not inhaling, Bill?”

    Or this ” Clinton is the second President to have had “a Cuban Missile Crisis,”

  64. Noa, November 16th, 2016 – 01:20

    Nope, it was an allusion, that didn’t really work, to effect that Fox News seems to arrive a day later on Interocitor screens in parts of the UK that I refer of as “North of Noa.”

    Regards filtering? The abilities of your fellow county men are legion and legendary, however I seem to recall that…

    “The quality of Mersey is not strain’d”
    [with apologies to W.S.]

  65. I’ve just read this entire wall in one sitting – firstly, Baron, many thanks for some of your takes above. They are cut and paste into my files. So much effort goes into whitewashing and misrepresenting history that it’s important to find out if the offici versions are true (they rarely are) – thank you for you insight.

    Second, that Spectator leader on Trump!

    xxxx me. This where The Spectator overlaps with the Mail. The Spectator wears a much more intellectual veneer, but it is just that. A veneer. Nothing else. It is – like too much of the supposedly right-wing MSM – a Judas Goat publication.

    Its support of Vote Leave strikes me as like the Mail’s support for Vote Leave. In other words, this is their thinking: ‘The masses are revolting. Give them a charade for a few years, we won’t really have a Brexit, it will be a hollow Brexit. At least with a referendum, w can get rid of UKIP and just let Theresa May deliver hollow Brexit.’

    Well, you can’t play any of that with Donal Trump. He’s in. There’s no reversing it.

    Most importantly, none of the select coterie of really important banks supported him. There was no pay to play.

    Trump is not anti-trade or anti-capitalist. That is pure Spectator Judas Goat spin. He is anti crony capitalist. The sleight of hand that spin-doctoringly mixes the two is to be snuffed out as tall times and given the contempt it deserves.

    Trump is against the destruction of the middle classes. The aspirational classes.

    He has said – for years – the USA cannot go on letting China sell to it without imposing a trade tariff on China, while at the same time when the USA sells to China, it has to pay a tariff.

    They never, ever tell you this stuff in the media. The Donald has gone on and on and on about it for years. A small coterie of Western business people benefit from such a system (Wall St), but the effect of that imbalance is to beggar your own nation. It just becomes destroyed from within.

    Hillary’s Wall Street backers knew this. And their smokescreen for dealing with this is was: You deplorable you, you racist you, you homophobe you.

    The disconnect between that spoilt brat rhetoric and reality is now so big, clearly half the US electorate believes nothing on their TV screen, no matter how many celebphonies make videos like RObert De Niro saying they want to punch Trump, or how many Lady GaGas, Chers, Madonnas, Justin Timberlakes pick up that hymn sheet and squeal from it.

    The Spectator, The Mail, THe Tory Party. They’re all the same. Judas Goats.

    Well, they can water down Brexit all they like. Thank God that the founding fathers wrote a constitution that had a line in it about freedom of speech (Britain is dying because it has none) and that with all the shrieking and making people ‘deplorable’ pariahs, the voters said, nah, we’re going with that guy. The outspoken guy.

    It is not the job of an American President to impoverish his own people because a few on Wall Street want it.

  66. Talking of spin-doctoring Judas Goat historians and social commentators, here is the ineffable, unwatchable, unbelievable Simon Schama.

    To add to his moment when he howled at Rod Liddle ‘suburban’ – ‘to which the sane person responds by asking: ‘Why don’t you live next door to it yourself, Schama?’ We must now add the priceless sight of Melanie Phillips doing her impersonation of Michael Winner’s car insurance advert. Get ready to exercise your lungs.

    Rod Liddle vs Simon Schama:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rCJN7_IiFM

    Mark Steyn vs Simon Schama:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zHoDANH-R8

    Michael Winner (played by Melanie Phillips) vs Simon Schama

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3923962/This-not-moment-calm-Simon-Schama-launches-impassioned-rant-compares-Trump-s-election-rise-HITLER.html

  67. During PMQ today, in replying to a question from the mandibly challenged Douglas Carswell, relating to free trade agreements with post Brexit European nations, Mrs May used the phrase “if we leave the European Union …”

    ‘When’ would have been a better word Prime Minister! A Freudian slip?
    Watch this woman. The delay is ominous.

  68. The Sultan on the Arafat Museum, the Clinton’s funding of the PLO, and the question we all want answered.

    Donald, where’s his trousers?

    http://sultanknish.blogspot.co.uk/2016/11/lets-all-go-to-arafat-museum.html

  69. So many giving the President-elect good advice – well, it was advice of some sort:
    Francois Hollande says global warming denier Trump must respect Paris climate accord
    FRANCOIS Hollande has called on the United States to respect the global agreement to limit climate change supported by outgoing president Barack Obama following Donald Trump’s shocking election win.
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/733020/francois-hollande-donald-trump-respect-global-warming-climate-change-cop-22-marrakesh

    And I don’t remember it being a shock win or that there was anything in the Paris climate accord to respect – and it wasn’t an agreement! 🙂

  70. Urgent update on May’s spin doctors trying to bury their anti-Brexit agenda:

    https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2016/11/16/theresa-may-truth-killer-general-the-deloitte-hoax-lie/

  71. Jeano – 17:26

    Thanks, John Ward has an interesting blog there. See:

    https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/about/

  72. Well, would you believe it, and reported by the Guardian as well 🙂 :
    Don’t act so shocked at Trump’s plans to deport 3 million illegal immigrants – Obama has deported 2.5 million
    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-obama-deportation-of-migrants-dont-act-so-shocked-a7416526.html

  73. A good video, all the way through, but the last half minute are just magic, though you need to see at least the previous minute or so to get the last half minute in context:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovOiTc9eH6U

  74. Another (good) Ann Coulter video:
    Top Debate – Ann Coulter: Why we should all join the Donald Trump revolution? 11/12/2016
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMTpy5O9Rnc

  75. RobertRetyred – 19:34

    The discussion was held before the election!

  76. Jeano, I have beaten you to it 🙂 : ‘she’ HAS made a mistake: Trump didn’t make that pledge, unconditionally!

    Theresa May vows to ‘stand up’ to Trump and protect dignity of ALL British citizens if he goes ahead with plan to ban Muslims from entering the US

    Theresa May vowed to stand up to Donald Trump if he goes ahead with his election campaign pledge to ban Muslims from entering the US.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3942082/Theresa-vows-fight-Donald-Trump-goes-ahead-plan-ban-British-Muslims-entering-US.html

    It would have been worse if she had been our Home Office Minister and been in charge of Border Control.

    Oh dear ….. !!!

  77. Ha, ha! Yes, RobertRetyred! She’s ineffable. The leopard skin on her xxxx me shoes has never changed its spots!

  78. It seems the BBC won’t give up on its vicious anti-Donald campaign. The PM on BBC Radio4 this afternoon was truly disgraceful, half of the hour got devoted to it. Towards the thirty minute mark, its American correspondent got on, her job was sound out how the man on the street felt, reacted to the election, and lo and behold, all she could find were only two Americans, one a Muslim, the other an Afro-American.

    You don’t want to be told what their reaction was, do you? The same crap as one hears from virtually all the MSM outlets interviewing ‘ordinary’ people on the issue everywhere – an outrage, anger, the end of America as we know it, disbelief, fear for one’s life, and the one that seldom leaves the barbarian anything but speechless: “What am I going to tell my kids?’

    Tell them a fairy story, check or help them them with their homework, avoid poisoning their minds with something they cannot fully comprehend, shouldn’t be exposed to, you stupid old bat.

    Thankfully, the young and macho Afro-American male respondent furnished a revealing solution. ‘More rap, and more aggressive, too, that’s the music suitable for revolts, for standing up to the oppressors, waking communities up.

    The barbarian called the BBC fuggwits, got cut off in the middle of the tirade, something that’s quite unusual for him, but there you go.

    If he gets to the Oval Office, the Donald will have a biiiiig job on his hands.

  79. RobertRetyred @ 20:27

    The saintly One standing up to him, Robert? Now, that’s courage for you. But how will it end?

    Bad judgment on her part to pick a fight with the Donald.

    We can anger, shouldn’t really, but could, the Russians, the Chinese, everyone else, even the Europeans (although it would be unwise to make them see red until we actually quit), but the Americans? Hmmm

    Whatever one may say of our ‘special friends’, one should keep in mind they, and the man who resides in the White House in particular, still are awesomely powerful. If the Donald settles in well, gathers some backing in the Republic, as he will, plenty of MPs, mostly amongst the ranks of the Tories, will come to their senses, accept the way the wind’s blowing, embrace the Donald, and he will not find it at all hard to engineer her disposal. Plenty of political jackals are waiting for it already.

  80. RobertRetyred @ 18:29

    You don’t reckon, Robert, this ‘revelation’ will make the progressives calm down, no more frothing at the mouth, or pissing in the St Lauren knickers, do you?

    The Independent scribblers ignore the converse perception, in the eyes of the progressives, between the Hon Muslim and the Donald. The former can deport tens of millions they’ll still worship him, he’s one of them, if Trump deported just one, the anointed, together with the Independent, other MSM scribblers, will cover the poor blighter’s fate so negatively that he will not be only allowed to stay, may even get his own TV show.

  81. Frank P @ 16:10

    If Trump keeps Gaffney advising, Frank, it’s indeed very bad news for the Muslim brothers and sisters in arms, (and very good news for Bibi), but will he?

  82. Jeano @ 17:26

    It fits into your reading of the saintly One, Jeano, but the barbarian sees it somewhat differently.

    Is it a coincidence the memo appears together with a top judge muttering about a new statute needed to proceed with article50, the Civil Service thinking of 30,000 new paper pushes to ‘tackle the enormity of the task’?

    You may well be right, she’s either incapable handling the exit, or unwilling to engineer it. If the latter, however, would not the leak be ‘designed’ to aid her?

  83. Indian Government’s Currency Experiment – New World Disorder

    “Day 1 of the banks opening. Poor, desperate people, whom the government treats like slaves or perhaps insects. Somehow these people have been brainwashed into thinking they live in a free country. My granddad kept photographs of British royalty on the walls of his office until his final days, for he had realized that the British had treated him much better.”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-16/stunning-scenes-panic-gold-price-skyrockets-india-after-currency-ban

  84. Jeano @ 12:36

    Excellent picks, Jeano, one needs to re-charge after the MSM verbal belching of their anti-Trump agitprop, (and exercise one’s lungs, too).

    What is it that fuels the worn out brain cells of Shama, the guy’s becoming a permanent joke. How could a country make a decision on an issue that may decide its cultural survival on the basis of feelings.

    It’s our abandoning rational dissection of issues altogether, switching to emotions in the decision making process that got us into the shite we’re in.

  85. Noa @ 16:25

    The barbarian has started reading it, Noa, has to come back to it (too late now, time to call it a day), it’s superb, if the Donald were to read it, he would need no more advice from anyone, the story of this thug sums up well what Israel’s up to in the ME.

  86. Michael Savage received a call of thanks from Donald Trump on his radio talk show on November 9th but bitterly criticised him last Monday for appointing Priebus as Chief of Staff.

    All in all, time for Theresa May to lift the cynical ban on Savage’s admission to the United Kingdom imposed by a Labour government, no?

    She should also reverse government policy on coal-fired power stations. Does the country really need nuclear power? No more than a carbon tax, I would have thought.

  87. Simon Schama

    I cannot say that I read the Weekend Financial Times religiously. More fittiing would be to say cultishly. It is an organ of the New World Order. Simon Schama is a Contributing EDITOR no less .

    His piece last weekend , which I might retitle ‘Apoplexy Recollected in Tranquility’ is a considered piece on the theme provoked by Melanie Phillips in the link to Newsnight given by Jeano at November 16th, 2016 – 11:41 above.

    Schama as a political commentator, like a globalist Falstaff, one could say is not only apoplectic in himself, but the cause that apoplexy is in other men. Here, try for yourself:

    “Calm down dear” my fellow interviewee instructed me on BBC Newsnight when, a day after the US election I dialled the vehemence up to 11. I paid her no heed.

    Calming down is always the medicine prescribed to the losers by the winners lest their self-congratulation be inconvenienced by opposition. But bowing to the judgment of the polls does not entail a suspension of dissent, especially, when, as in this case, the election involves shameless suppression of votes, the politicisation of the FBI and the cyber-interference of the Russians. If cherishing democracy mandates acceptance of the poll, it also presupposes the right to opposition. And when that opposition is demonised as disloyal it needs to raise its voice.

    There is, after all, much to get noisy about. Weirdly, the American public that has awarded the outgoing president a popularity rating of 56 per cent has also elected someone who intends to delete the entirety of the Obama presidency. Now that Republicans control the White House and both houses of Congress, Mr Trump will have a free hand to repeal the Affordable Care Act (depriving millions of Americans of insurance), fashion a Supreme Court to overthrow the Roe v Wade ruling on abortion, repudiate the Paris climate change accord, abandon the Iran nuclear agreement and get rid of the Dodd-Frank bank regulation designed to prevent a repeat of the conduct that brought on the Great Recession.

    It is said that Mr Trump’s slash-and-burn instincts will be moderated by experienced counsellors — they won’t. He did it His Way and the doubters and fence-sitters will all be replaced by dependable sycophants. Knowing that his appeal to the voters was all about big-boy attitude, Mr Trump will make this a presidency of “I Alone Can Fix It”.

    Doubtless the speechwriters are even now penning an inaugural address featuring the usual bromides about overcoming division. Coming from someone who knows perfectly well that the way he separated himself from the pack was to throw the red meat of abuse to the crowd, turning Hillary Clinton into a felon, this will be a bad joke. The lingering effects of his malignant, incendiary rhetoric will not be dispelled by a sudden show of “Kumbaya”. They will hang in the political climate like toxic fog, not least because he knows that should he fail to deliver on his countless undeliverable promises, he can always fire up the zealots with another round of scapegoating against the usual suspects: the “international conspiracy” of banks and media and the city “elites” accused of talking down to regular folk and sneering at the American dream.

    These have been the bugbears of American nativist populism for almost as long as there has been an America. One of the great paradoxes of American nationality is that it has been built simultaneously around both the embrace and the rejection of immigrant identity. To a degree inconceivable anywhere else, American patriotism was indifferent to origins (though not, of course, to race). But the very success of the immigrant republic also generated spasms of violent nativism. In the 1850s, the targets were Irish and Italian Catholics; in the 1880s, the Chinese; in the 1900s, Jews from eastern Europe.

    Mr Trump’s populism is just the latest edition of this sweaty agitation. Unlike the tin ear of the Clinton campaign, he has had perfect pitch, channelling the rage of the “left behind” and the nostalgic yearning to get back an unsullied homeland as imaginary as the village-green idyll of the British Brexiters.

    Such feverish dreams of purification and restoration are the contagion of our times. Two unrelated phenomena — a socially unequal recovery from recession and the wash of desperate migrations across the world — have been connected, the latter made to explain the former. The blame for the contraction of low-skill jobs is laid at the door of wily foreigners and low-wage labour. The fuse of resentment, lit by the demagogue, blooms into poisonous flame.

    The manner of Mr Trump’s victory will persuade other nativists and crypto-fascists that success in their own elections next year will best be served by ramping up the paranoia. Internationalism and cosmopolitanism will be represented as the realm of the devilish establishment. The walls of protection and the watchtowers of the security state will rise over the citadel nation. Freedom will be sacrificed to safety.

    All this will assuredly come to pass, unless heterogeneous city culture — with all its disorderly creativity, its flowing tides of newcomers and outgoers — finds unapologetic champions. It was the fatal error of the Clinton campaign to suppose that an arid menu of policy proposals was the same thing as a full-throated defence of modernity.

    Whatever rises from the rubble of liberalism’s debacle must never repeat that mistake. The decencies of modern life need to be argued with militant passion and broadcast to places where it can be heard by people who don’t read broadsheets. What neither America nor the rest of world can afford right now is to keep calm and carry on.”
    https://www.ft.com/content/eb87a71a-a7f9-11e6-8898-79a99e2a4de6

  88. “An unidentified source within the transition team told the Journal that it was one of Pence’s first moves since taking over the effort from New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who was ousted last week.
    Pence officially took control of the transition efforts on Tuesday, according to a document sent to the White House.”

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/306309-pence-removes-lobbyists-from-trump-transition-team

  89. Donald Trump represents the new normal – on both sides of the Atlantic
    He gets how the world has changed. So does Theresa May. Do you?
    Rod Liddle

    What was your favourite response from the liberals to Donald Trump’s victory in the US presidential election? Actress Emma Watson handing out copies of a Maya Angelou book to bewildered commuters in New York? Cher announcing that she wasn’t simply leaving the USA, ‘but Planet Earth too’ — a move some of us assumed she had made at least 40 years ago? The hysterical protestors who set fire to their own shoes because they thought the said shoes were pro-Trump? The hyperbolic hatred spewed out towards those who voted for the Donald, or Matthew Parris suggesting that maybe this democracy caper has gone too far, or the teachers telling tearful children that we’re all going to die?

    There’s just too many to choose from, a cornucopia of riches, of wailing and fury and outrage. And yet they still don’t quite get it, the liberals — don’t get the full import of what Trump’s victory, and this tumultuous year 2016 in general, means for us all. It presages an enormous paradigm shift to a post-liberal future. They are weighty, cumber-some things, paradigms, and take a lot of shifting. This one has been at least 20 years in the making. But once they turn, the course is set, and you can set fire to as many shoes as you like — it will do no good. In a sense, 2016 is 1968 in reverse.

    Theresa May clearly gets this. Gets the change, the momentum behind the change. Even before Trump’s astonishing and deserved victory she had grasped, post–Brexit, that patriotism, long considered a bit long in the tooth, had made a rather remarkable comeback: ‘If you are a citizen of the world, then you are a citizen of nowhere,’ she said, to derision from the Guardian. Patriotism, a sense of historic pride in one’s nation state, persuaded a good few Americans to vote for Trump; it persuaded most of Scotland to vote SNP last year. It is, you have to say, very much alive and well in Russia, and growing in continental Europe.

    It is a corrective to globalisation, though, not a denial of it. Much of what we are seeing now and will come to see even more in the future is not a denial of reality, but an adjustment to it. Our Prime Minister gets this too, I think. The post-liberal economic world will have some time for protectionism once again — the very left-wing US film-maker and writer Michael Moore spoke approvingly of Trump telling Ford executives in Detroit that he would slap a 35 per cent tariff on their cars if they moved production to Mexico. So the intelligent parts of the left get it, too.

    [Alt-Text]
    The economic paradigm shift, away from the inviolable sanctity of the free market, long predates Trump’s victory, mind. It started after the financial crisis of 2007. For three decades, state ownership was considered de trop — not any more. The opinion polls suggest that there is a huge appetite for nationalising the railways and the utilities, while even that old liberal David Cameron (remember him?) offered to take parts of our steel industry into public ownership. There is no great wish for a return to 1973, when even some travel agents were owned by the state — it is, instead, an adjustment, a tilting of the tiller.

    The interesting thing, for me, is the degree to which social policy will change — because change it certainly will. Those who voted for Brexit and those who voted for Trump are often derisively accused of wishing to turn the clock back to the mid-1950s. But that is not the case at all. The 1950s was the thesis — overly authoritarian and conservative about how people lived their lives, how children were taught in schools, how people could express their sexuality. The antithesis came in the 1960s and early 1970s, with legislation which made divorce easier, increased welfare, legalised homosexuality, changed for two generations the way in which teachers went about their work — all or most of this stuff long overdue.

    But as is ever the case with these lumbering paradigms, we went too far. The liberalism of the 1960s has resulted in this decade with too many broken families and failed, inarticulate, unhappy children. With people who proudly will say they will not work for a living because they don’t like working and prefer to be on the dole. With the manifest insanity of safe spaces in universities where absurd liberal shibboleths about race and a ludicrous multiplicity of gender options must not, under any condition, be gainsaid. In scores of tenth-rate universities turning out unemployable young people with useless degrees in fatuous subjects. Oh, and so much more. And yet the imperative now is not to roll back that earlier legislation. It is to achieve instead a synthesis, an accommodation, if you like.

    Take the issue of homosexual rights and equality. There is not the remotest desire to return to a time when gay people were considered criminal and, further, were the subject of contempt from the man in the street. The opinion polls show an enormous majority favouring equality for homosexuals (a rather larger majority here than in the States, mind). But ask people if homosexuality should be considered the norm, or whether it is perfectly OK for gay people to adopt children then tell them that, further, people who think it is preferable for children to be raised by a mummy and a daddy are irredeemable bigots who shouldn’t be allowed to adopt children themselves, and I suspect you will get a very different response. Even now, despite the enormous opprobrium which attends if you express this view, and the almost impossible task of expressing this view if you hold public office, the electorate is split pretty much 50-50 on gay adoptions. My guess — and it’s only a guess — is that if you put before the electorate the statement: ‘Children are best raised in a traditional family, by a mum and a dad’, three quarters would agree. There is also an aversion to gender and LGBT propaganda being doled out to young children in school, especially transgender propaganda. My guess — only a guess again — is that people would in general prefer a greater proportion of NHS funds be spent on cancer care than gender re-alignment procedures.

    And what of heterosexuals? The last opinion poll I saw (Ipsos-MORI) suggested that more than 70 per cent of people thought that marriage should be for life. We marry, or don’t marry, and have children too readily, too easily — and there is plenty of evidence suggesting that children from single-parent families are prone to greater mental strife, poorer educational ability and more future joblessness than those from a traditional nuclear family. Should people have kids if they can’t afford to bring them up without substantial help from the taxpayer? Much like the issue of single parents, this was an almost impossible issue for a politician to raise without being labelled a bigot. The opinion polls suggest a majority of voters think people should have children only when they can afford to provide for them. All of this stuff is likely to be back on the agenda now.

    Should people who do no work as a consequence of idleness be allowed to live their entire lives on taxpayer’s money? An enormous issue — and one which arouses fury particularly among the hardest-working, poorest–paid of us, for obvious reasons. The public think they should not be able to get away with this. If you don’t give, you don’t get.

    And there are more obvious issues, such as immigration. There is no animus against the immigrants themselves, except among a handful of untermensch knuckle-draggers. Nor a wish to return to the almost pristinely white 1950s. But more than 70 per cent of the public think there is too much immigration, and almost 50 per cent think it should be cut substantially. And that people who come here should learn the language pronto and ‘fit in’. Both Donald Trump’s victory and the Brexit result demonstrated the potency of this issue — as does the rise of right-wing populist parties across Europe. I would suggest that it is an unstoppable force. It is time that the left got to grips with it. The liberals, of course, cannot get to grips with it.

    Neither Brexit nor Donald Trump brought about this paradigm shift. They are simply manifestations of it. The liberal elite (it was a conservative elite which ran us back in the 1960s, remember; elites rise and fall) may flail against Trump and Brexit for as long as they like. But to use a phrase which the liberals rather like, and use a lot — they are beginning to look as if they are on the wrong side of history.

  90. Tommy Robinson fingers Bedfordshire police for being in bed with jihadist terrorists : (these are the real usfull idiots today ). There is a campaign :-

    Islamaphobia
    Awareness
    Month

    There is a logo with the letter `I` being formed by a clenched fist with a raised index finger ( has anybody caught on yet : Beds.police didn’t ).

    This isn’t the hippy peace symbol , or an American `finger`.
    It is widely reconized as the symbol of islamic jihad ; especially of the Islamic S.S. ( the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levenant ).

    A photo has previously appeared of 3 grinning Beds. police and a muslim outside a shopping center giving the I.S. finger salute : and the Beds. police web-site has (had) put-up the above logo to promote IAM,prior to awareness being brought to them.

  91. Beds. police / IAM :
    For images see :

    https://dailym.ai/2fVObHq

  92. When I heard the charismatic tones at 7.50 on Today, I mourned what might have been.
    I contemplated with revulsion the wooden squabbling of Hammond.
    I exhort all to use your internet votes for him tomorrow.
    You have three.
    As Nick Robinson said Brexit, Trump and then a win to round off the year.

  93. “Ninety-five per cent of Britain’s new workers are from overseas – find out why and what it means”, shouts the top headline in the Times (on line) this morning.

    It’s probably the same or next to the same ratio in the Republic, and the anointed agonise over what actually was it that turned the labouring, or not, plebeians against their engineering experiment of PC multy culty in a world of gender fluidity.

    What’s the bet that in MSM journalism, national politics, possibly the top layers of industry and finance and the Civil Service the ratio is just the opposite?

  94. He wouldn’t bother you with this, Baron wouldn’t, if anything, it’s written as if for a brain-damaged child ape of about three that’s just about to loose consciousness altogether, needs something to speed the end up.

    You can just scan it, but go slower where the FT brain of the Universe, a man called Edward Lucas, points to the cardinal sin of the Donald saying “shockingly, the Trump campaign included several figures with links to the Kremlin. One key aide, Paul Manafort, benefited from multi-million-dollar business deals with pro-Russian oligarchs …..”. (The Clinton woman’s uranium deal, anyone?).

    The position of this section in the argument, and the sequence of the ‘cronies of Putin’ he names and shames is remarkably similar to that Baron told you about few days ago. The one in the verbal belching of his Eminence of things historic. It smells like both are writing from a supplied script, which wouldn’t really shock, but only confirm how desperate they’ve become.

    Btw, the DM keeps inserting stuff into the verbal vomit of Lucas that doesn’t back it fully. Naughty of them.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3943754/Is-blitz-Aleppo-start-Putin-s-war-rebuild-USSR-Russian-missiles-rain-besieged-city-Trump-cosies-Putin-Kremlin-expert-s-chilling-warning.html

  95. The command to get going hasn’t reached the barbarian yet, so here’s something that may cheer you up. This site got promoted by the great Joe Watson, neither disappoints.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuW_7sktdBc

  96. John birch @ 04:52

    Excellent, John, except for one (or two) things. Where does it come from?

  97. Hi Baron, Fridays spectator.

  98. Malfleur. 14.10
    I have always believed the American plan was to use up the Middle East oil and then come back to their own.
    Why wouldn’t you.

  99. John birch – 15:25

    That is going to take some time 🙂

  100. It would be difficult to contemplate a more amusing transition than the creepy, stalking shape-shifter once trumpeting the fat bounder of the Treasury (now tripping the heavy fantastic for the BBC) as an economic genius and our next chancellor but now endorsing his only likely triumph as winning a silly dance contest.

    Lo, how the (once predicted to be) mighty are fallen. Brexit, Trump and a dozen other victories to come are truly rubbing the left’s face in the diversity of politics.

  101. RobertRetyred 15.25
    The faster the world uses up middle eastern oil the better.

  102. Colonel Mustard (17:26)

    You missed out “boggled-eyed” and “lisping”. And “bounder” is far too polite. An insult to good old-dfashioned bounders, in fact. 🙂

  103. One of the more curious aspects of lefty indoctrination is that they always bleat that our traditional values around gender, marriage, etc., are artificial constructs that we have been conditioned to accept as a norm. Meanwhile they are busy de-constructing those traditional values and artificially constructing alternatives, conditioning (or trying to condition) us to those! Despite the use of questionable science being deployed to serve a political agenda they are seldom challenged on this point.

    Why should their artificial de-constructions of the last 50 years, simmered in a hotbed of socialist academic theory and gobbledygook, be promoted as more meritorious than Western civilisation’s hard won constructs of the last 1,000 years? Who exactly are these political parvenues and why do they think they have some monopoly on getting things right – or left in this case?

  104. Frank P November 17th, 2016 – 20:02

    I happily stand corrected! After watching the documentary on Peter Cook last night I was tempted to describe the dancing lard-arse as a fat c(sounds like an aristocrat)t.

    It should have been nose rather than face being rubbed in the diversity of politics too!

  105. 🙂

    TIME TO GO: Sinking Sturgeon faces growing calls to RESIGN over shambolic Brexit threats
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/733523/Nicola-Sturgeon-called-on-to-resign-over-SNP-sleaze-and-Brexit-threats

  106. The Wilders article is terrifying.

    Remember this. Trump would never, ever have been elected without the US constitution. That is why Obama and the Alinskyites spent so much time trying to re-write it.

    Political correctness came out of California but it was curbed in the US by free speech. Thus Trump and his supporters were socially ostracised but never outright banned. That balance is missing in Europe.

    Remember in the UK and the Continent, political parties can be outright banned for their views. UKIP was very nearly disbanded a few years ago by a court case the MSM never talks about.

    It was basically a financial attack to bankrupt the party that nearly succeeded.

    As big and momentous as the Trump victory was is, it hung by that thread of free speech. Britain has next to no free speech. It’s all hate crime laws.

    Same on the Continent. There’s a long way to go yet. We need Renzi defeated in December and other victories on the Continent too.

    The madness hasn’t stopped. Far from it. Brexit looks as unlikely now as the re-emergence of Lord Lucan.

  107. Jeano – 21:58

    You can’t kill an idea, and Lucan will turn up eventually!

  108. “FAKE NEWS” FROM THE FAKE MEDIA

    The Alex Jones Show THURSDAY November 16th

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxwnPqwxeag

  109. Malfleur

    PHONEY MPs
    eg Stephen Kinnock

  110. “Merkel With Obama: Internet ‘Disruptive’ Force that Has to Be ‘Contained, Managed, and Steered’ by Government”

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/11/17/merkel-obama-internet-disruptive-force/

  111. An interesting film review:
    The Red Pill is a film that could finish off feminism
    http://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/belinda-brown-the-red-pill-is-a-film-that-could-finish-off-feminism

  112. My copy of the field magazine arrived a couple of days ago and I am disgusted. There were various country clothing suppliers as well as the main magazine being the Christmas edition.
    Not one, and I really want to make this point. NOT ONE, offered gortex clothing suitable for those who follow allah.
    This is not a joke, this is serious .how can we integrate and make friends with these charming people if we don’t sell them country clothing to suit their ideas.
    And I warn editors of the field if they don’t start showing shoots of happy people enjoying soft drinks in full Islamic clothing quickly they will be in a very dangerous place .these people who love peace may self destruct on a Scottish moor.
    And you could understand why.
    It’s all about love ❤️ and understanding.

  113. You have to laugh 🙂 🙂 🙂 :
    President Signals Illegal Immigrant Crackdown, Speedy Deportations
    http://order-order.com/2016/11/18/president-clintons-crackdown-illegal-immigrants

  114. Mmm, I tried to post a comment yesterday about Justin Webb’s roasting on the Today programme by Joel Pollack, but despite two attempts it didn’t make it onto the Wall.
    It included the words wanker and paederast, so let’s see if this makes it and I may have another go.

  115. Irishboy – 18:03

    I have experienced difficulties replying to RobertRetyred@16:34 above.
    Using a different device now.

  116. RobertRetyred – 16:34

    Excellent. The MSM kept that one quiet until after the election, didn’t they!

  117. Since the election, in an paralleled display of projection, the unholy alliance of the msm, the left, and the #nevertrump ers have gone into libel, defamation, lying and smearing overdrive against the incoming administration.

    See all the stories here: http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/

    I expect it will remain this way for some time.

  118. They dont do his Sandels with gore tex lining either.
    The Prophet’s Sandal

    There is not a civilization that has loved and celebrated its leader as Islamic civilization has loved and celebrated its Prophet, our master Muhammad (Allah bless him and give him peace). Love is the strongest of all human attachments, and is the greatest thing that distinguishes the relationship of Muslims with their Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), who said, “None of you [truly] believes until I am more beloved to him than his very self, wealth, and all people.”
    Introduction Motivated by this love, as well as by an understanding of the immense importance of the personal example of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), the Muslim community recorded and preserved his entire life in the most exacting detail. The Islamic scholars did not limit their attention to the moral and legal example of the Prophet alone (Allah bless him and give him peace). Rather, they also focused on his daily life, like his habits of eating, drinking, and sleeping, as well as other matters that do not have immediate legal implications. From that time, until this present day, Muslims have sought to imitate the example of their Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) in all its details, unless they were of the particular matters that Allah Most High chose only for him.

    The Prophet’s (Allah bless him and give him peace) external, physical appearance was also among the matters that Muslims paid great attention to, as were his habits of dress. Among the matters of external appearance, the Prophet’s noble sandals received particular attention, perhaps because of what his followers felt of utmost love and humility for the person of their beloved Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), such that they saw themselves as less than his sandals.

    The Companions & the Noble Sandals The attention given to the noble sandals is not an innovated matter. Rather, the first generations, from the Companions of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), were the first to give them attention and importance, such that some of them were known to have distinguished themselves with serving the noble sandals. It has been reported by Ibn Sa`d that Anas (Allah be well pleased with him) was the keeper of the sandals of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace).

    And Imam al-Sālihī reported in his work, Subul al-Huda wa’l Rashād (8:318) that `Abd Allāh ibn Mas`ūd (Allah be pleased with him) used to get up as soon as the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace) sat down, and would take off the latter’s sandals, and place them under his own arms. Then, when the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) would get up, he would put them on him. Many other narrations have been transmitted from the Companions giving exact descriptions of the noble sandals of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace).

    The Attention Given by the Imams & Scholars to the Noble Sandals A number of Imams gave the noble sandals of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) particular attention, authoring complete works in describing and praising them, and gathering that which was transmitted regarding this. Among them were:

    Imam Abu Ishāq Ibrahīm ibn Muhammad ibn Khalaf al-Sullamī, famous as Ibn al-Hājj, who collected that which many poets and authors had written in praise of the sandals.

    Imam and hadith master Abū al-Yumn `Abd al-Samad ibn `Abd al-Wahhāb Ibn `Asākir of Damascus (686 AH), who was buried in the Baqī` cemetery [in Madina], authored a treatise called A Sketch of the Sandal of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) (Timthālu Na`l al-Nabiyy), which is published.

    The great mujtahid Imam Sirāj al-Dīn `Umar ibn Raslān al-Bulqīnī.

    Imam Shams al-Dīn Muhammad ibn `īsa al-Muqri’, whose book was titled A Joy For Eyes By Verifying The Matter of The Sandals (Qurrat al-`Aynayn fī Tahqīq Amr al-Na`layn)

    Imam Abū al-`Abbās al-Maqqarī of Tilmisān, who died in Egypt, wrote the most expansive work on the issue, An Opening From The Most High In Praising The Sandals (Fath al-Muta`āl fī Madh al-Ni`āl). This work is published, and has three abridgements. The first is by Radiyy al-Dīn Abu al-Khayr al-Qādirī; the second by Abū al-Hasan al-Dimintī; and the third by Shaykh Yūsuf al-Nabahānī (Allah have mercy on them all).

    The author of the work Collected Pearls from the Bewildering Design and the Unique Exposition on the Characteristics of the Depiction of the Sandals of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace) (al-La’ali’ al-Majmū`a Min Bāhir al-Nizām wa Bāri` al-Kalām fī Sifat Mithāl Na`li Rasūl Allāh), who was one of the scholars of Cordoba, as mentioned by the historian Abū Sālim al-`Ayyāshī in his famous travelogue.

    The Place of the Depiction of the Noble Sandals & their Baraka The depiction of the noble Prophetic sandals has had a special place in the hearts of Muslims since it points to one of the needs of their tremendous Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), and since it inspires in them the utmost humility towards his high rank (Allah bless him and give him peace). Because of this, they took care to record this depiction, and to draw it, and they sometimes even placed it under their turbans, to feel their complete subservience to the tremendousness of this most noble Messenger (Allah bless him and give him peace). They also hung this depiction in their houses, seeking baraka from it.

    Writers and poets wrote eloquently in praise of the noble sandals and in describing the feelings of ecstatic love for their wearer (Allah bless him and give him peace). Imam Abū al-`Abbās gathered a significant amount of these writing in his aforementioned work, as well as in his treatise Azhār al-Riyād

    May the best of blessings and peace be upon the owner of these blessed sandals.

  119. Further to @18:23

    “The Untruth About Steve Bannon | Donald Trump’s Chief Strategist’
    Stefan Molyneux

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI0aAVh0dJc

  120. John birch – 19:00

    Best get your skates on, only 37 chopping days until Christmas.

  121. Here is part 1, with a link to part 2 near the end of the article:
    Donald Trump and the Failure of Mainstream Social Science
    http://quillette.com/2016/11/12/donald-trump-and-the-failure-of-mainstream-social-science

  122. Tears of Joy from Alex Jones – Friday ‘s Show

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZOuAFn2ppk

    I recommend a petition to Jones to establish a British show under Paul JosephWatson, who by the way kicks off the Friday show with a report on fake news. Infowars is now bigger than the BBC and CNN combined. Let’s open a second front on the New World Order through an InfowarsUK.

  123. I was typing my post at 1:04 above as I listened to the show that I link there and about 15 minutes later, in the course of promoting the business side of the site, Alex Jones mentioned that if he had the funds he would like to open an office in the United Kingdom run by Watson.

    By the way, O’Keefe (Project Veritas) Steve Pieczenik and Roger Stone are guests on that day’s show.

  124. …and shortly thereafter he shows a clip of a muslim “immigrant” in an Italian city wiping his bare backside with water from a public pump and then licking his hand.

    Did the British Broadcasting Company show that on the nightly news by any chance…?

  125. That load of nonsense about sandals I posted yesterday came as read from a Muslim clothing website.
    How muddled does a brain have to be to think that lot makes sense.
    The point about country clothing for Muslims came about as my daughter and were caught in a downpour while out with our dogs a couple of days ago and I pointed out I had never seen Arabic country clothing for sale while they are out with their dogs enjoying the beautiful English countryside.
    Thank god she replied, which I thought was a little insensitive. !!!

  126. Following Brexit, I bestowed on Sir Nigel a knighthood of the Order of Malfleur, not a peerage. We need him in the House of Commons as soon as possible. I therefore disagree with Graham Brady that UKIP requires representation in the Upper House that Farage should fill. I would like to see him knighted though.

    https://www.rt.com/uk/367428-lord-farage-peerage-trump/

  127. EC, thanks for posting that link to the Webb / Pollack interview. And Malfleur, I’m full of admiration for Alex Jones and have watched him avidly over these last fabulous weeks. The energy of this man is inexhaustible and thank goodness for that, because the coming onslaught from the left will require such a resource. I’m sure Trumps people will be giving a lot of thought on how to deal with the MSM and I hope they realise that it is crucial to sidestep the pre-set values (ha bloody ha!) and criteria they use in framing the issues. If I’d been Pollack the other day in the interview with Webb, I would have asked if he or the DG of the BBC was a paederast, because following Webb’s reasoning (ha ha again!), the BBC allowed three of its “stars” to commit acts of illegal sexual assaults on children on BBC premises, therefore they must think such acts were ok. Or the one I like to use when the Nazi slur is chucked around like pigshit and I remind BBC lovers who proclaim its centre ground impartiality that in 1933 Lord Reith announced that the election of Hitler was a great thing to be much admired, and coincidentally in the same year banned Churchill from broadcasting, yet at the start of the war gave Guy Burgess a job as Head of Talks.
    I’ve seen Pollack perform less well on CNN and they need to take a tip from the left and deflect the expected line of questioning and in the first sentence come with, for example when Hillary claims to have worked for 40 years for the benefit of children, ask how that squares with her advocacy for full-term abortion, murder I think used to be the word. Not only that, but she also proselytises for what the left euphemistically call post-term abortion. I’ve heard one her people say that, we need to get away from the idea that parents should have control of their children and realise that children belong to the whole community. This evil cruel totalitarian thought needs to be disseminated. Splattered all over them.

  128. Sorry for the lack of sub-editing above – it’s awkward to scroll the little comment box sometimes.

  129. “Snoopers’ Charter becomes law after peers backed down on amendments”
    “Police will now be able to hack into your phones and check your browsing history” .

    (Daily Mail)

    Oh, jolly good! Wizard! Awfully good show!

    Now remind me again how it works, that constitutional check by the Upper House on abuse of our liberties by an overweening House of Commons (acting under direction from the globalist nabobs in Brussels)….

  130. Also in the Daily Mail – ‘Duh!’ of the week:

    1. “Isis member linked to the murder of a Catholic priest in France says beheading ‘enemies of Allah’ is ‘a pleasure’ and that leaving his pet cat was the saddest thing about moving to Syria”

    2. “It’s wrong to claim ISIS has nothing to do with Islam, says Archbishop of Canterbury”

    DUH!

  131. Wow! The MSM backlash has begun in earnest. Twitter is deleting alt right accounts. The snoopers’ charters is rushed through so Big Brother can watch us all. The Spectator (Judas Goat publication) is spitting feathers at Breitbart in a character assassination piece about Steve Bannon.

    The Spectator is furious at Breitbart because it has taken eyeballs off it and the other publication the Barclay Twins own, the Telegraph. People simply will not pay for the Telegraph so they go elsewhere for more reliable news and websites they can comment on. Who wants to pay for propaganda?

    The Mail is also furious because it libelled Trump and now he’s in office, I’m sure he won’t forget that offence. Just as he hasn’t forgotten the way Theresa May, David Cameron and Boris Johnson all once spoke about him. It was all noted, Theresa, dear. The Mail can spin all it likes for you but alternative news has you monitored, Theresa.

    My top three ‘fake news’ websites: Daily Mail, Spectator, Telegraph.

    Paul Joseph Watson’s flawless four-minute take on the backlash against Alex Jones et al:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyS3Ghevf2I

    Pat Condell on America’s moment of truth:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHCul_DIM_4

  132. It looks like the gremlins are playing silly buggers with the CHW again!

  133. “Students at City University London have voted to ban the Daily Mail, The Sun, and the Express from campus in order to virtue signal their opposition to ‘fascism’. ”

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/11/19/assault-right-wing-media-continues-student-union-tabloid-ban/

    Irony is not dead.

  134. “The West Is Finally Fighting Back against Militant Islam”

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/11/19/west-finally-fighting-back-militant-islam/

    Keen eyed wallsters will notice that Peter Mullen is once again prefixing himself with “Rev.”

  135. Yesterday’s weather isn’t of much interest to most folk, nor, perhaps are recent reports about Hillary Clinton.

    But if you are curious, Google “Hillary Clinton Rage” .

  136. Herbert Thornton – 19:01

    Did you get wind of this?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38037187

  137. Nick Cohen is not a happy man!

    And he is wrong: he writes, “Everywhere you look on the right, you can see the politicians who ran the Leave campaign shuffling off responsibility, like actors casting off their costumes.

    Unlike so many of their opponents, they can imagine the future. They can see the possibility of Britain in 2018 heading for hard Brexit. Instead of being involved in the easy break they promised, we will be at the start of exhausting trade negotiations with the EU and dozens of countries that will drag on into the 2020s.”
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/19/boris-johnson-cronies-blame-always-lies-elsewhere

    He forgets that it was Cameron, The House of Commons and The House of Lords, with the help of the Civil Service who promised:
    “The referendum on Thursday, 23 June is your chance to decide if we should remain in or leave the European Union.

    This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide.”

    The Leave campaign was run by members of the public and a few MPs who were restricted in what they could do, without any help from the Civil Service or Government and they were told that the government would implement what was decided by the voters.

  138. If the government called the referendum, it was the government’s responsibility to have a plan to enact the result.

    QCs have said so.

    That the government had no such plan shows they intended to sabotage any Leave vote and never intended to enact it. How dare they suggest their shortcomings are the fault of Leave voters.

    They asked the question. They got the answer. Leave.

  139. Vis-a-vis the media clampdown on free speech. Remember, Obama handed control of internet censorship out of US hands (a free speech jurisdiction – the only one in the world) to the UN (a non-free speech jurisdiction).

  140. Herbert Thornton November 19th @ 19:01

    I did my best for nine or ten days not to gloat and maintained a pretty stiff upper lip until your post brought this to my attention –

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5JoDj1LGPA

    – and then I broke.

  141. It gets worse:

    PIZZAGATE
    “Posters over at 4Chan and Reddit have been conducting an extremely bizarre investigation following the John Podesta e-mail leak (Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman) and the results are surreal: They’ve apparently uncovered an elite child trafficking network which celebrates its tendencies using code words and disturbing artworks.”

    http://phibetaiota.net/2016/11/mongoose-pizzagate-more-on-washington-dc-occult-elite-pedophiles-podesta-central-fbi-hand-cuffed/

  142. ‘Angela Merkel became the new leader of the free world on November 8’ said Peter Oborne on his ‘Week in Westminster’ last Saturday. As the opening sentence reached Baron’s ears, the barbarian went for the off button with some haste, hence cannot tell you what followed, but you can listen to the podcast if you feel like getting your blood pressure up.

  143. RobertRetyred @ 23:04

    They still get it not, do they, Robert.

    Lack of imagination it was what made the progressive blind to the unhappiness of the unwashed everywhere? Hmmm. This chap Cohen has become totally unhinged, he should be interned, for his own good.

    The anointed have known for years that people are getting fed up with immigration, social engineering, warmongering and stuff, but that didn’t bother them. They carried on nevertheless in the certainty they can contain the frustration, resentment, even anger. After all, they were fully in control of all the pyramids of power for the moulding of public opinion, the MSM in particular. They knew the journalistic lackeys (few exceptions here), people like Cohen, will keep on pumping out lies, half-truth, deceptions as if there was not only tomorrow, but the day after tomorrow, too.

    What they overlooked was the growing power of the internet. It has been indeed the spreading of genuine news over the web, news suppressed by the progressive controllers, the dissection of it by people who had no desire to deceive, but were searching for the truth, or even an approximation of it that mobilised the usually apathetic masses to action, and that movement of the till-now-silent, apolitical but also impotent force has not exhausted its power yet. More is to come, the likesof Cohen better get used to it.

  144. A gap in the market: Loo paper rental.

    Any interest?

    And an answer the barbarian gives when asked ‘how are you?’

    Well, last night, she asked me ‘shall we go upstairs, make love?’ the answer was ‘sorry, darling, I cannot do both’.

    (Both adopted from a BBC4 radio show ‘Sorry, I haven’t got a clue’, the barbarian cannot claim his rights on either).

  145. Cohen is a conflicted left wing bigot whose articulated reservations about leftist “progressives” cannot overcome his prejudice against opinions to the right of him. I find his articles an odd mixture of insight and tribalism, almost as odd as his appearance.

  146. The today’s issue of the ST is full of stuff on the Donald, all of it critical, as you may well expect, but it also carries pieces by Douglas Murray, and his Eminence of things historic.

    Rod’s column stands well above the other verbal belching the rag specialises in these days. (If he were to leave the rag, Baron would never buy another copy again).

    Rod’s writing (amongst other stuff) about the word that was named the word of the year by the OED – post truth. It is defined as “relating to or denoting circumstances in which objective facts are less influential in shaping public opinion that appeals to emotions or personal belief”.

    One can only ask ‘what kept them?’

  147. Colonel Mustard @ 13:46

    Agreed, Colonel, he seems a Full Monty of an outsider, in the last few blogs he did at the Spectator, virtually every response was negative, whether it came from the Left or Right mattered not.

    The guy seems to posses the capacity for turning everyone against himself, demonstrates what Baron has long suspected – one’s writing ability cannot substitute for one’s paucity of thinking. The two brain compartments, the one for cogitation and that for writing may be adjacent, but in his case, must be totally unconnected.

  148. Jeano @ 23:44

    It’s either as you say, Jeano, the Government did’t have any plan B (what to do after Brexit) because they intended to sabotage Brexit, or it (the Government run by the boy then) simply didn’t even imagine there could be Brexit, hence why bother with plan B.

    With the Donald’s win in the Republic, things have turned rather fluid. One doesn’t know enough to make a judgment whether the saintly One will genuinely cut us off from the Brussels yoke, or go for a fudge.

    It will very much depend what the foreign policy of the new Potus is, that is the joker in the pack. Baron reckons that despite all the rhetoric about international treaties, warming of relations with Russia, hitting China and stuff, the general drift of US foreign policy will not change much from what it has been since the war – American interest, and American interest alone will continue to form the basis of it, however it’s wrapped up.

    And could anyone blame the Donald for it? Nope, it’s what every American leader has done, and rightly so, it’s to the Republic they want the benefits of their world hegemony to accrue. What has always irked the barbarian is that we have meekly backed it, 100% after the election of the ghastly Blair, even when there was no benefit to us, and our interests were totally ignored.

  149. Herbert Thornton @ 21:17

    Good one, Herbert. It reminded the barbarian of the BBC journalist John Simpson. When he was interviewing the Libyan Colonel, now deceased, in his desert tent, Gaddafi kept discharging vey loud farts. Simpson, being a well schooled BBC hack, ignored it.

  150. And this, and you’re free from the barbarian for awhile:

    If you’re interested in evolution, everything that goes with it, here’s a thought provoking piece, by Fred, who else.

    His idea of evolving backward stresses one significant thing. The organism (whether a cell, or a more complex entity), has to be not only theoretically doable when evolving backwards, but biologically viable, too. i.e. it has to survive for another evolutionary step to take place. One can substitute one amino acid for another, but the substitution may kill the organism.

    If each words that makes sense were the aim of the evolutionary process then changing from ‘revolution’ to ‘evolution’ by dropping ‘r’ would be fine, but to get to ‘evolve’ (as yet another evolutionary step in the past) would involve at least seven modifications in between ‘evolution’ and ‘evolve’ (i.e. dropping four end letters, importing two, ‘v’ and ‘e’.) Since not one of the six mutations makes sense, in biological terms these stages would not have the ability to survive.

    Not unlike Fred, Baron isn’t a biologist, but he reckons that the wholeness of the systems Fred’s talking about must be irreducibly complex, the size to complexity of the wholeness may differ, i.e. it may be a ‘big or a small house’, but ‘a house’ it must be nevertheless, four walls and a roof, if it had only three walls or no roof, it wouldn’t do the job a house should be expected to do.

    http://fredoneverything.org

  151. Two men of courage, that’s what Baron believes true Americans should act like:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtKQ_ZkqXag

  152. This a rap that resonates with the barbarian even though it’s the Clinton woman performing it:

    (if you’ve seen it before, apologies)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuW_7sktdBc

  153. Blair is back!

    But the general public misunderstand his resurrection. He wants a return to UK politics, but not as prime minister. Instead, he wants to undermine Jeremy Corbyn until Brexit is out of the way.

    Blair may even try to form a breakaway movement from Labour.

    I repeat, the purpose is not to become prime minister but to do what used to happen: Have a series of straw man rows with Theresa May to pretend they are on opposing sides. But then, on the big issue, Brexit, sell everyone down the river on a joint agreement.

    Cameron was the Heir to Blair and Theresa May is described by Peter Hitchens as a Blairite robot.

    The problem is Corbyn. He is anti-EU. That is why Hillary Benn sparked the leadership contest against Cobyn. It was all about the EU and nothing else.

    On 24 June Corbyn said Article 50 should be invoked immediately

    All the stories have emerged after the vote about how Corbyn and Watson sabotaged Remain. John McDonnell is calling for Article 50 to be invoked:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3938026/We-not-block-Brexit-Labour-s-John-McDonnell-clears-path-Theresa-win-parliamentary-approval-EU-exit-plans.html

    In the ideal Blair world, May would have an Opposition screaming at her for a second referendum and she could scream back, pretending to be anti-EU.

    With a Blair, Brown or Miliband, that would be possible. Not with Corbyn.

    If Blair can usurp Corbyn, even with a breakaway movement, he can lead the Guardianistas and BBCers in a pro-EU New Labour-style movement that pretends to be in Opposition to Theresa May, but will – you can bet your bottom dollar – join forces with her to say: Look, this is the best deal we can get a nice, hollow Brexit. We’ll utter the words Brexit, but there’ll be no Brexit of the sort. The UK will still be in the single market (code for staying in the EU) and the Andrew Neather-scale of immigration can continue.

    Hell, George Soros will help Peter Mandelson send out search parties for immigrants to ‘rub the Right’s nose in diversity’, in the words of Andrew Neather.

  154. Have you read how cash is being banned in India and Sweden?

    The key drivers for this are people like George Soros and Goldman Sachs. A select coterie of financial elites. Soros is also known for funding groups that support the legalisation of narcotics.

    Narcotics are important to Soros on two fronts. First, he wants them to be legalised to that he can grow, supply and sell them. Second, legalised drugs would advance the cause of a cashless society, which would hand power to people like him and Goldman Sachs. He who controls the money supply controls the power. That coterie could then bypass democracy.

    No funding? No access to power.

    To this end, Columbia was recently asked in a referendum whether it wanted to allow drug dealers to be granted immunity from prosecution for murder and suchlike and to help legalise their drug dealing.

    This was all sold the Colombian people as ‘peace deal’. A phrase as believable as ‘affordable home’. It was nothing of the kind.

    And what globalist from the Soros set should be flown in to tell the Colombian people to accept this deal? Why, the United Nations’ Ban Ki Moon.

    This is what was on the ballot paper:

    ‘Do you support the final agreement to end the conflict and build a stable and lasting peace?’

    Let me translate: As a key drug-growing country, do you want to legalise drugs and thereby assist George Soros and friends impose a globalist cashless society, whereby those who control the money supply rule the world?

    Can you guess what the Colombians said?

    No.

  155. If you think that referendum question was disingenuous, look at what is on Italy’s forthcoming referendum ballot paper:

    ‘Do you approve the constitutional bill concerning the dispositions to overcome the perfect bicameralism, the reduction of the number of members of the Parliament, the restraint of the institutions’ operating costs, the abolition of CNEL and the revision of Title V of the 2nd part of the Constitution, which was approved by the Parliament and published in the Gazzetta Ufficiale n. 88, on April 15, 2016?’

    In other words, you don’t understand, do you? Just say ‘yes’ and leave it to the experts. You know, the experts. The IMF, the OECD, the politicians. Yes, all those experts who predicted the financial crash of 2008. Them. And who know nothing apart from tying to bamboozle the public and feather their own nest.

    I’ve got a word for those experts: no.

    Every time.

  156. EC 1748 Nov 19

    Political blogs work better when there is balance.
    Balance.

  157. Jeano @ 18:18

    How on earth could they get away with framing the question like that, Jeano? It’s not just one question, it’s several questions.

    That’s typical of the Italians, they’re good at cooking pasta, cheating on taxes, but when it comes to governance, hopeless.

    You have any insight into the Italian referendum? Why is it regarded as one on the EU?

  158. Is Romney for the post of the Secretary of State a good idea?

    It doesn’t feel like it. Not because he’s been critical of the Donald, not because he holds an opposite view on what to do with Russia, not even because he’s coupled firmly with the old guard. It’s because he’s been rejected by the voters before, he’s soiled goods. The same would apply to Palin, McCain or anyone else who’s tried before, was found wanting. The Donald needs someone who can pacify some of old cadres, but not someone who’s been so prominently in the public eye. If Romney gets the job, it will be a setback for the cleaning movement, Baron reckons.

  159. Jeano @ 17:29

    The ghastly Blair has been emboldened by the weak Chilcot report, and even weaker response to its findings, Jeano, hence his resurrection, no?

    If he were to set-up a new New Labour, it would benefit the Tories no end, they could look to a permanent governance of the country as the Left would split, in election may even poll fewer votes than UKIP.

  160. Andrew’s good here, whether it helps to ensure we get out fully out of the paws of Brussels, or as Jeano fears the de-coupling gets fudged is another question:

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/11/watch-james-mcgrorys-car-crash-interview-sunday-politics/

  161. Italy’s referendum is about the EU, but the voters are not being told that openly!

    As ever, it boils down to a select coterie of financiers, Soros, Goldman Sachs, the usual names.

    The modus operandi is simple. Bribe the domestic politicians to enter the EU, as with Greece. Remember, Goldman Sachs cooked the books to get Greece in the EU. It’s like a free lunch to start with. But then – as always – it goes belly up. At this point, a country is told it will be selling everything to the globalist coterie of financiers. So Greece must sell assets such as ports and on.

    Ah! But the voters. What do they say? In Greece, they had a referendum, the people rejected the sell-out deal. Result? The politicians gave in anyway and sold the down the river.

    Italy is drowning in debt. It too is a now a prisoner of the elite banking coterie. It has had its first bank bail-in. Bank bond holders (mainly mom and pop investors) lost everything.

    But everything must be sold, including state-owned assets. The problem is Italy’s second house blocks the first house’s attempt to sell all this down the river.

    Other EU nations look on and say: ‘If Italy doesn’t pay and play by EU rules, why should we?’

    Can you see where this is going?

    If Italy will not remove the powers of the second house and open the way to selling the family silver to pay off baking debts, nobody else in the EU will do the same. It follows that the EU is then in mortal trouble because it provides the rules. And the elite bankers – whose tool is the EU – are also in trouble.

    They were able to crush the will of Greece. But will they do the same to Italy? That second house has been implacable. If they cannot remove it with this referendum, trouble lies ahead for the globalist robbers.

    Even if Renzi wins and sells off state asses, Italy needs more bank bail-ins. As you can imagine, those already bailed-in will not be supporting Renzi in this referendum. After more bank bail-ins, the Italian electorate will be even more angry.

    These bank bail-ins (part of EU rules) are why there is a global rush to ban cash.

    They have already had bail-ins in Greece and Italy. Ask them what they think about a cashless society. It’s a con. A cashless society means we bail you ll in. Like it or not. Want to form a political party to object? Try that without cash. That’s right. That we control. That we won’t give you. Heads, you lose. Tails, you lose.

    That’s why Italy’s referendum, although on the face of it, it appears to be about its second house is actually about the EU.

    Renzi has lost the vote on Italian soil, but the delay in the poll from October 30 to December 4 is because he hopes Italian ex-pats can be frightened into supporting him and he wanted extra time to target them with propaganda. They will be sold the standard Project Fear smokescreen about losing freedom of movement (a lie).

    If the second house is not reformed, Italy will not pay its debts, other EU countries will say, ‘why should we?’ and the EU faces existential crisis.

    At that point, I think only sheer force, an EU army, can hold it together. If one exits the EU, the rest will soon follow.

    If Italy, in effect, says, we’re not playing this phoney EU game any more, why would others?

    Pray God this is the moment the whole thing goes up the swannee!

    Come on, Bepe!!

  162. If you want to know what the thinker Rowan Williams, the Anglican prelate, theologian and poet, who was Archbishop of Canterbury from 2002 to 2012 makes of the US election read the following. Prepare to hear that mass democracy has failed, we have to replace it with its ‘humane’ alternative.

    Baron wonders whether those not considered humane enough to vote will have to be slaughtered, or if they will be permitted to exist in special camps, labour, pay taxes.

    http://www.newstatesman.com/world/2016/11/mass-democracy-has-failed-its-time-seek-humane-alternative

    .

  163. That article is absolutely appalling. From start to finish. Thank you for drawing our attention to it.

    Elsewhere, I notice the unlovely Kanye West has been decrying the snowflakes from a concert stage. I am not a fan of the man but I think t shows that some little snowflakes may have learnt a lot from this campaign.

    I draw attention to his remarks that said: Facebook lied to you. Google lied to you.

    We are – I assume – all long enough in the tooth to know that the day-to-day news flow is little more than a pack of lies. Always has been. Many who voted Leave will have been duped in the 1970s to voting In. Not in to the EU, of course. The big lie was In to the Common Market. And after that sleight of hand, into the EU.

    We were lied to over Iraq. Lied to over Libya. Lied to about economic stability and the truthfulness of Fred The Shred et al. They all lied. And the media helped them and lauded them. For years, Sir Shifty was the darling of the business pages. I remember the Telegraph’s former writer Jeff Randall writing fawning hagiographies about Philip Green and how he would be a better host for The Apprentice than Sugar.

    Well, after this pack of Clinton lies, at least some of Generation Snowflake seem to be learning.

    It’s even easier to tell lies with digital technology because they can be so precisely targeted at lazy audiences who don’t want to leave their favourite websites: Google and Facecr*p. Too many Snowflakes think they can live their lives around these two scummy enterprises.

    Well, there you go, Kanye. Now you’re all learning. You were lied to just like we were lied to. And that’s why many of us will never, ever believe a word the elite say ever again.

    Vote Leave. Vote No.

    Whatever they tell you is god for you, you can guarantee it isn’t. It’s good for them.

  164. Good lament, Jeano, and spot on, too.

    In some instances, one can forgive mendacity, after all, we all sometimes tell white lies, and lying has been in the politicians’ toolbag for as long as the profession was in existence. One may also forgive if on occasions the motive behind is if not honourable than at least understandable, but lying by politicians to hide wrongdoing, to enrich themselves, to lure the unwashed to vote on promises that cannot delivered on, and stuff like that must always be wrong.

    And this:

    The French primaries, the stage one, have ended, François Fillon leads the race, looks like getting the nomination for the Presidential race next Spring. He’s the man to bet on.

    It’s a rather surprising, but for the barbarian a welcomed outcome. Le Pen was never likely to make it, and just as well, she is a socialist, and her idea of France quitting the EU was a non-starter, the CAP is a gift to the French, without it their agriculture would get hit, the French cuisine would suffer, any gourmand would have to feed on KFC – what a thought, ha.

  165. What happened to other members of our select club? Is it going to be a duet only? Jeano and the barbarian?

  166. A cruel, vile postscript on the RT out of the Clintonostra:

    http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/driveby/this_is_the_vilest_most.php

    Bwaahahahaha.

  167. rout – not RT out – it was scrambled en route. 🙂

  168. Suggested headline for New York Daily News 20th January 2017
    (emblazoned on a portrait of The Donald):

    MR QUIFF GOES TO WASHINGTON

  169. Baron 2215
    Rowan Williams like many retired from failed office is clearly a doom monger:
    Thus
    “Naught for our comfort; but at least an opportunity to ask how politics can be set free from the deadly polarity between empty theatrics and corrupt, complacent pluto­cracy. ”
    In Rowan’s country, yours and mine we are set free.
    We have shed ourselves free from the Cameroon Plutocrats in favour of May, a middle of the road lady of middle England determined to help those just getting by, held to account by a man who has been true to himself since he entered politics.

    We must not let these doom merchants gain currency among our youth.

  170. And we all raised three cheers for the charismatic one last night.

  171. @06:40

    Andy Murray?

  172. Frank P – 00:47

    “RT out of the Clintonostra”

    Unintentionally amusing though. I note that the commies are now creating a narrative that the Ruskies are going to interfere in the German Federal elections by creating fake news stories about her too. YCMIU!

  173. Baron – 23:56

    That primary election was a private affair that didn’t involve Marine Le Pen.

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/11/20/shock-loss-for-sarkozy-as-fillon-becomes-favourite-for-french-president/

    “According to recent numbers by Ipsos, Mr. Juppe would beat Ms. Le Pen in the second round of voting next year.”

    Well, we all believe t’polls don’t we? As things stand France’s petit bourgeoisie may well get their arses kicked by the “forgotten” next April, you see if they don’t! One more terrorist/NTDWI/Lone Wolf/mental patient outrage and it’ll be a certainty!

  174. 6.40

    The voices, they won’t leave you alone, will they?


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