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The Coffee House Wall – 21st/27th October

Posted on October 21, 2013

This is the Coffee House Wall for this week. I won’t say that it is your chance to communicate with us, as we are all in this together. It is, nevertheless, the Conservative Blog post that has no particular theme, and where everything is on topic. Let’s just remember that we want to avoid ad hominem attacks on others. We don’t want to engage with trolls. We want to moderate our language ourselves as responsible and mature adults, choosing to use fruity language only where it is necessary. This is our opportunity to show what the Spectator Coffee House Wall could have been like.

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489 thoughts on “The Coffee House Wall – 21st/27th October”

  1. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 21, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Boris Johnson hits a wrong note in the DT today suggesting that migrants have nothing to do with the housing crisis. It seems that every commentator, from left and right, disagrees with him and considers him either an idiot or a Turkish fifth columnist.

  2. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 21, 2013 at 10:16 am

    The politicians all want a housing crisis because there is money to be made. So many are getting rich on human suffering; politicians, housing associations, property developers, estate agents, banks, overseas investors,whilst many more are suffering financially and physically.

  3. Baron says:
    October 21, 2013 at 11:27 am

    dg @ 01:48

    excellent piece, dg, enjoyable and informative.

    Have you got anything on how the locals view the change in the management of the economy, the switch from centrally controlled to mercantile capitalism. Is it generally welcom . resisted , or are they indifferent?

  4. huktra says:
    October 21, 2013 at 11:30 am

    The housing crisis is due to hoiking up rents combined with failure to keep house prices at tolerable levels.
    Other views are largely scapegoatism.

  5. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 21, 2013 at 11:52 am

    huktra, its simple supply and demand. The demand has gone through the roof because of 9 million migrants while the supply has not increased so sharply, therefore prices can rise.

    If many migrants were sent home then demand would decrease and my children would have some hope of affording either to rent or purchase their own homes before they retire.

  6. Verity says:
    October 21, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    UKIP the United Kingdom independence party.

    I believe that it is not impossible, by the time the next election rolls round, that Labour will be destroyed (although with nine million assured “votes” to which they would not be entitled in any other country on the planet, it’s not a dead cert) could kill off the Tories for good but also shake the Communist/CommonPurpose/One-Worlder/Labour thugs with a much decreased vote.

    But those inexplicable nine million immigrant votes would go to the Commies. Look forward to seeing Ed Milliband touring heavily populated islamic areas in a turban.

  7. Frank Sutton says:
    October 21, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    My First Law of Housing Economics: House prices rise to absorb the money available to pay for them. So more “generous” loan conditions (generously allowing buyers to get into even greater debt) of recent years have fueled price rises, as has the latest wheeze to “help” first time buyers by allowing them to take on a more debt.
    Obviously, immigrants keep the pressure up by adding to demand. So Boris is wrong on this as on most things. He gets away with it – to the extent he does – because he’s Boris.

  8. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 21, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    I know that not everyone wants to hear about the problems facing folk elsewhere. But for those who are interested, a Wedding party was leaving a Coptic Orthodox Church yesterday in Egypt and a Muslim gunman opened fire with an automatic weapon killing 4.

    1- Kamielia Hemly (70 years)
    2- Mariam Ashraf (8 years)
    3- Samir Fahmy (46 years)
    4- Mariam Nabil (12 years)

    Many others were badly injured.

  9. Frank P says:
    October 21, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    Naughty Niece is now a grandma:

    A mother was working in the kitchen, listening to her five-year-old son playing with his new electric train set in the living room.

    She heard the train stop and her son saying, ‘All of You B*****ds who want off, get off now, ‘cos we’re in a hurry! And all of you B*****ds who are getting on, get on now, ‘cos we’re going down the tracks’.

    The horrified mother went in and told her son, ‘We don’t use that kind of language in this house. Now I want you to go to your room and stay there for TWO HOURS.
    When you come out, you may play with your train, but I want you to use nice language.’

    Two hours later, the son came out of the bedroom and resumed playing with his train. Soon the train stopped and the mother heard her son say,
    ‘All passengers who are disembarking the train, please remember to take all of your belongings with you.
    We thank you for travelling with us today and hope your trip was a pleasant one.’

    She hears the little boy continue,

    ‘For those of you just boarding, we ask you to stow all of your hand luggage under your seat. Remember, there is no smoking on the train.
    We hope you will have a pleasant and relaxing journey with us today.’

    As the mother began to smile, the child added……….

    ‘For those of you who are pissed off about the TWO HOUR delay, please complain to the fat-cow-of-a-controller in the kitchen.

  10. Frank Sutton says:
    October 21, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    The housing crisis is just one symptom of decades of incompetent, corrupt or chaotic government. Energy is another. The government has just agreed a deal to buy electricity from the yet to be built Hinckley Point Power station in Somerset at a double the current market price. What will happen if more economical power generation comes along – will we still be tied to the Hinckley Point price? It doesn’t sound like free market economics to me.
    I wonder how many people heeded CMD’s response to price rises earlier this month, and switched suppliers. M Power have now become the third to riae its price – whodathunkit!.
    Still, today is Trafalgar Day – some sort of celebration might be in order.

  11. Frank P says:
    October 21, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    Frank Sutton

    My wife and I many others like us entered the property market via a 100% LCC mortgage in the early 60s. Thereafter we rode the economic ups and downs of boom and bust and sporadic rampant inflation and upped our ante by moving and improving when the time was right and staying put when it wasn’t, but always remaining in manageable debt.

    The current bunch of shylocks with their exorbitant rates of borrowing and virtual zero rates for savers seem determined to impoverish hoi polloi. Why kill the geese that laid their golden eggs most of my generations’ life times? Surely the law of diminishing returns is kicking in here somewhere and isn’t it the European project that is screwing all but those skimming from it? Doesn’t the prosperity of the few depend up the comparative prosperity of the many? Listening to the current bunch of juvenile PPE graduates just gives me a headache. Can one of you economists apply Occam’s Razor to their babbling and explain why they can’t see that if the plebs have no money to spend after the usurious extraction by the money men and taxation of the government, then sooner or later even the fat cats will have to lose weight?

  12. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 21, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    Frank, I guess that if everyone is impoverished then the state controls everyone. If you are burdened by debt then the state owns you. If you have no savings then the state owns you. If you have savings then they will be taken to pay for your care by the state which owns you.

    Destroy those with savings first with 0% interest rates. Then destroy those with debt with rapidly increasing interest rates.

  13. Verity says:
    October 21, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    P frim M 14:39 — Chilling.

  14. huktra says:
    October 21, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    Nine million?
    I suppose that includes all from the Irish potato famines on.
    Most are now inter-married and there is no prospect they will go home.
    A pickle for our children.

  15. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 21, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    huktra, there are reducing numbers of Irish here in the UK. Many are going home or elsewhere. I can give you the breakdown of the 9 million if you like. Most are not intermarried. Most have only just arrived here.

  16. Verity says:
    October 21, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    huktra – The US was largely settled by refugees from the Irish potato families, hence what has become the American accent.

  17. Radford NG says:
    October 21, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    Herman Van Rompuy,perhaps injudiciously,opened a Twitter page this p.m. titled:Ask The President.He got quite a few pointed questions.They can be read if this link works : https://twitter.com/search?q=%23AskThePresident&src=hash

  18. EC says:
    October 21, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    P from M @14:39

    Re: debt:
    “They have our soul who have our bonds”
    Mark Steyn
    August 2011

  19. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 21, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Would that today’s immigrants were Irish. I remember how in the Fifties, lousy landlords/ladies had notices in thei windows, “NO COLOUREDS, NO IRISH, NO DOGS”. The Irish then were mainly men on theit own, over here to work. Yes, they got drunk sometimes and had a fight or two, but always with other lads from the Emerald Isle. They didn’t go around mugging, kniving or shooting the natives. They practically single-handed built the roads and rebuilt teh war-shattered towns. The Irish girls often took up nursing and were a blessing in the wards I’m not Irish, but I say, Lay off the Irish!

  20. David Ossitt says:
    October 21, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    Huktra October 21st, 2013 – 11:30

    “The housing crisis is due to hoiking up rents combined with failure to keep house prices at tolerable levels. Other views are largely scapegoatism.”

    As P from M has pointed out the price is always as a result of supply and demand.

    To put this very simply, if you put your house on the market and it does not sell then it is highly probable (a certainty) you are asking too much, if on the other hand it sells very quickly then the opposite is true, you asked a price below that which it might have made.

    You mention “failure to keep house prices at tolerable levels” this begs the question, whose failure?

    It is not the job of a democratically elected government to try to rig the markets despite what the stupid Marxist Ed the Red Miliband says.

    “hoiking up rents” In the real world yet again ask too high a rent and nobody will rent from you.

    But in the stupid world that New Labour gave us Labour Councils will pay stupid asinine rents to the private sector, thank goodness that Ian Duncan-Smith is putting a stop to all of this nonsense.

  21. Verity says:
    October 21, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    AWK – Agreed. The American accent really is a version of the Irish accent, such were their numbers a couple or three centuries ago when the US was just being settled.

  22. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 21, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    There are surely a wide variety of American accents and Irish immigration was not at the great scale it became until the Famine? And as many Scots emigrated due to the clearances. I have some friends in the far North-East of the US where there are communities that still have an Elizabethan accent of sorts.

  23. David Ossitt says:
    October 21, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    Breaking news, read below.

    Had this vile wretch been hung by the neck until dead in 1984 two other killings could never have happened and the state would have saved many thousands in court and prison costs.

    Bring back the death penalty.

    “A triple killer has been jailed for a third time for the murder of a pensioner who was stabbed when he went to help his convicted paedophile neighbour who was being robbed.

    Ian McLoughlin, 55, was given life with a minimum of 40 years at the Old Bailey today after he admitted killing Graham Buck in Little Gaddesden, Hertfordshire, in July.

    Mr Buck, 66, suffered fatal stab wounds when he responded to cries from the home of 86-year-old Francis Cory-Wright in the village near Berkhamsted.

    McLoughlin was on day release from prison where he was serving a life term for the murder of Brighton barman Peter Halls, whom he stabbed multiple times in 1992.

    He had previously been jailed for the manslaughter of Len Delgatty, 49, in 1984, whom he hit over the head with a hammer after a row, before leaving his body in a cupboard.

    McLoughlin met Mr Cory-Wright in prison, and turned up at his house on July 13 while on day release from HMP Spring Hill, claiming to need help setting up a charity supporting elderly ex-offenders.

    Mr Cory-Wright was jailed for 30 months in 2011 for indecently assaulting a 10-year old boy in the 1970s.

    The meeting began pleasantly, but McLoughlin then grabbed the 87-year-old from behind and demanded to know where he kept his “gold and silver”.

    He tied him to his bed, stuffed silver family heirlooms into a pillowcase and demanded bank cards and pin codes.

    Father-of-three Mr Buck, who lived two doors away from Mr Cory-Wright, went to help him after hearing shouting in his front garden.

    In police interview, McLoughlin said: “I’m not sorry for what I did to the nonce, but I’m sorry for what I did to the pensioner.”

  24. David Ossitt says:
    October 21, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    Anne Wotana Kaye 1 October 21st, 2013 – 16:58
    “I’m not Irish, but I say, Lay off the Irish!”

    I second that.

  25. David Ossitt says:
    October 21, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    The three policemen from The Police Federation three have now given a mealy-mouthed apology.

    Lying buggers.

  26. Ostrich (occasionally) says:
    October 21, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    PfM 21st, – 17:24

    “an Elizabethan accent of sorts”

    O-oh, exotic! Never ‘eard one of those before.

  27. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 21, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    David Ossitt
    October 21st, 2013 – 17:33
    David, this is a horrible crime. The murderer should have been hung long ago, or if hanging was banned, put in prison forever. Lord forgive me, but I am happy the paedophile is dead. Who knows whar filth he continued to do in prion, and it’s a pity the pensioner had to try to go to his aid.

  28. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 21, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    Peter from Maidstone
    October 21st, 2013 – 13:59
    I think itis heartbreaking what happened at that Coptic wedding. Peter, you know my views on the moslem religion, but I was also saddened by the evil Ukranian who took the life of an 82 year old moslem man. Innocents being murdered by people who seem to have allowed Satan to control their minds.

  29. Verity says:
    October 22, 2013 at 12:06 am

    AWK – Personally, I don’t call islam a religion (see your post above). It is a very weird cult born of thousands of years as sand-dwellers. (Which is where the keffya and the burqa came from, btw — to protect faces and eyes from the searing desert sun.)

  30. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 22, 2013 at 1:54 am

    Verity
    October 22nd, 2013 – 00:06
    Yes, you are correct. Strange how so many people feel the need to be controlled. I can see why communists have generally persecuted Christians and Jews, and oppress Budhists, yet can exist in harmony with the moslems. Same ethos of complete rejection of free will and unquestioning obedience.

  31. Verity says:
    October 22, 2013 at 4:00 am

    AWK – What an interesting observation … and I think you are right. I hadn’t drawn the parallel before but yes, communists and moslims are identical in mindset — except the islamics don’t mind dying for allah and his pederast prophet mo’ because jihadis are promised, in heaven (oh, gawd, can you imagine a muslim heaven?) 72 virgins and rivers of wine. (Tells you a bit about the paucity of their ambition.) — and I have never heard of a communist dying for his faith.

  32. EC says:
    October 22, 2013 at 7:26 am

    Ostrich (occasionally), October 21st, 2013 – 18:33

    “an Elizabethan accent of sorts”
    “O-oh, exotic! Never ‘eard one of those before.”

    JJB gotta do something on the weekends. An amusing thought that, a bunch of Yanks strutting about in tights speaking Shakespearean English.

    “You starvelling, you eel-skin, you dried neat’s-tongue, you bull’s-pizzle, you stock-fish–O for breath to utter what is like thee!-you tailor’s-yard, you sheath, you bow-case, you vile standing tuck!” …. has so much more class than its modern “standard American” counterpart of “MoFo”.

  33. David Ossitt says:
    October 22, 2013 at 7:37 am

    Verity October 22nd, 2013 – 04:00
    “72 virgins and rivers of wine”

    This just shows the warped mind-set, not even a pre-pubescent young boy with an awakening sexual awareness would long for such a number.

    It shows their complete and blatant dislike of and disrespect for woman a sad state of affairs.

    Nothing has advanced the human condition more than the voluntary love, care, and loving-lifelong companionship of a man and a woman, one to the other.

  34. RobertC says:
    October 22, 2013 at 10:03 am

    Frank Sutton – 14:08
    “The housing crisis is just one symptom of decades of incompetent, corrupt or chaotic government. Energy is another. ”

    An the NHS is another! Not content with a Mid-Staffs mentality scattered through the country, it misses out on revenue, as if that were the moral choice!

    Teegraph: A report commissioned by the Government has suggested that the NHS is spending up to £2billion every year treating foreign nationals.

    Mr Hunt, the Heath Secretary said:
    “What they’re saying is that there is real pressure on the frontline, they’ve spoken to 150 professionals at 30 different trusts, they talk about waiting lists being longer, about pressure on A&E departments, and they also talk about £500m that we could potentially recover.
    And if we did that would pay for 4000 doctors, 8500 nurses. So I think it’s worth doing.”

    Mr Hunt added: “It’s only fair to those of us who do pay our taxes to the NHS to make sure we don’t have a leaky ship.”

    Apart from the day to day costs of servicing these aliens, it is the extra capital costs required to enlarge an infrastructure that has accumulated over generations of British toil and war, defending our country, that is sapping British financial resources.

  35. RobertC says:
    October 22, 2013 at 10:24 am

    RobertC – 10:03 “NHS looses money”

    In any other business, it would lead to bankruptcy!

    We should class this as International Aid and take an equivalent amount from that budget and spend it in Britain or lower taxes! We could do the same with other similarly incurred expenses.

  36. Ostrich (occasionally) says:
    October 22, 2013 at 10:45 am

    David Ossitt 22nd, – 07:37

    ““72 virgins and rivers of wine”
    This just shows the warped mind-set, not even a pre-pubescent young boy with an awakening sexual awareness would long for such a number.”

    Yeah; the rivers of wine never interested me. 🙂

  37. Ostrich (occasionally) says:
    October 22, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    AWK1 21st, – 16:58

    “They practically single-handed built the roads and rebuilt the war-shattered towns. The Irish girls often took up nursing and were a blessing in the wards.”

    AND voted labour to a man/woman. While their compatriots back home, who hitherto wouldn’t have touched Northern Ireland with a bargepole suddenly, as soon as the welfare state was in place, came barrelling across the border to demand as of right the benefits they couldn’t get in the republic.

  38. Verity says:
    October 22, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    David Ossitt – 7:37 … Yes, this promise to jihadis is deranged, as mo’ was, I believe. We know that he had epileptic seizures and it was during these seizures that a scribe took down what he though mo’ might have said in the meaningless jumble of words. I also think he was deranged, but sometimes crazy people are mistaken for someone with a direct line to the diety.

    Don’t forget, the sheet-heads who flew into the World Trade Center were jihadis and they would have been looking forward to their 72 virgins and limitless rivers of wine, which they are forbidden in this life. They think they’re going to get their reward for forwarding mo’s plan that the entire world worship their allah concept.

    That’s why they are so dangerous and should not be allowed into civilised countries.

  39. Verity says:
    October 22, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    And let us never forget that mo’ “married” little girls. Aisha was six when he “married” her. He was dead keen on virgins.

  40. Verity says:
    October 22, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    Also, I forgot to mention that mo’ held a kind of committee meeting of his friends to discuss whether it would be OK to assault Aisha immediately. They came to the decision that she was “too small” and he agreed to hold off for some years. I don’t know how old Aisha was when he eventually violated her. It may be somewhere in their q’ran.

  41. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 22, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    Ostrich (occasionally)
    October 22nd, 2013 – 13:09
    AWK1 21st, – 16:58

    AND voted labour to a man/woman.
    Untrue! Not every Irish person voted labour, anymore than every English person did. There were a lot of bloody naive fools amongst the voting public.

  42. Verity says:
    October 22, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    AWK (above) — “There were a lot of bloody naive fools amongst the voting public.”

    So what’s new?

  43. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 22, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose
    OR STILL THE RUDDY SAME!

  44. Verity says:
    October 22, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    Advice, anyone? I am trying to read Gates of Vienna and keep getting notices like Adobe Flash and Activate Updates. I don’t get these messages on any other sites. I tried to follow the instructions, but it seemed to be quite complicated and time-consuming.

    Can any programme-savvy person advise me, please?

  45. David Ossitt says:
    October 22, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    To say that I do not like Grayson Perry the Potter would be a huge understatement, he and in particular his alter-ego called Claire, give me the heebie-jeebies or might that be the screaming-habdabs.

    I had heard that he had been chosen to give the BBC Radio Reith Lecturers this year and I had made a mental note not to tune in and listen (I usually find the Reith’s well worth listening to) I write chosen but some little niggle deep inside tells me that he was carefully selected for a purpose rather than being chosen; to help the BBC in continuing down the long road to mediocrity, ever-lower standards and filth.

    We were up early as my beloved was to attend The LGI for her annual check with Prof Simon Kay, on the drive in to Leeds we were listening, as always to Radio 4, and we heard that the Lecture was about to start (turns out this was the second one) and so we listened.

    After the introduction he prattled on and on in that awful winging-whine that he has, pontificating on just what is and what is not ‘Art’, in an odd kind of way he was entertaining (took my loves mind off of where we were going), turns out that art is art if the ‘Artist’ says its art, so now we know.

    And then he did it, he said ‘some-think’ instead of something, my love said “that’s enough of that” and promptly switched off, she then said you would think that the ability to speak English would be a prior requirement for anyone to give the Reith Lecturer.

  46. David Ossitt says:
    October 22, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    The ultimate letter ‘R’ is a typo.

  47. Verity says:
    October 22, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2471776/Sultan-Brunei-introduce-new-sharia-laws.html

  48. Noa says:
    October 22, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    David Cameron was visiting a Scottish primary school and the class was in the middle of a discussion related to words and their meanings.

    The teacher asked Mr. Cameron if he would like to lead the discussion on the word ‘Tragedy’.

    So our illustrious leader asked the class for an example of a ‘Tragedy’.

    A little boy stood up and offered, “If ma best freen, wha’ lives on a ferm, is playin’ in the field and a tractor rins ower him and kills him, that wid be a tragedy.”

    “Incorrect”, said David, in his best trying-not-to-sound-too-Scottish-accent, “That would be an accident.”

    A little girl raised her hand, “If a school bus kerryin’ fifty children drove ow’r a cliff, killing a’body inside, that wid be a tragedy”

    ‘I’m afraid not’, explained David, “that’s what we would refer to as a great loss’’.

    The room went silent. No other children volunteered. David searched the room.
    “Isn’t there someone here who can give me an example of a tragedy?”

    Finally, at the back of the room, a wee lad raised his hand and, in a quiet voice, said: “If a plane kerryin’ you and your deputy ‘ wiz struck by a ‘freendly fire’ missile & blawn tae smithereens, that wid be a tragedy.”

    “Fantastic!” exclaimed David, “and can you tell me why that would be a tragedy?”

    “Weel”, says the lad, “it has tae be a tragedy, because it certainly widnae be a great loss, and it probably widnae be an accident either!”

  49. Baron says:
    October 22, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    Good joke, Noa, even though Baron has heard it before, the one asking the questions was the messiah. Still, it cheered the barbarian up after the abysmal play by Arsenal.

  50. Baron says:
    October 22, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    David Ossitt at 17:38

    The man must also have figured what Baron told you a couple of days ago. It’s crowded everywhere, if one wants to make it, enjoy the spoils of our decadent, epicurean society or even get noticed then being different helps. The girlish attire, however pathetic he looks in it, has brought him fame, and money. Stupid he isn not, and not only because of the gimmick. Baron has heard him talking about things, and petty much agreed with him. As a potter he ranks quite near the top, and if the barbarian had the cash one of his sculptures would be in his possession, ‘Our Mother’ it’s called, made of rusted iron, weighing alot. The picture of it on the net doesn’t do it justice. At the last exhibition there also were other sculptures made of the same stuff, Baron has forgotten the titles. They looked impressive, unusual, and emotively charged.

    But then, David, when it comes to art, we all have our preferences, artists we like, the ones we cannot stand. For Baron the ‘English Rose’, Tracy Amin, is very much of the latter category.

  51. Baron says:
    October 22, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    Verity @ 19:10

    What has always puzzled the barbarian is this: do they truly believe it would please Allah, or is it just a put up, something similar to our ruling classes promoting PC, the multy culty pap, absolute equality… as good for our society?

  52. Baron says:
    October 22, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    Has anyone spotted this one? Brtain – a country most famous for fascist movements, Germany for ‘almost winning the World Cup’.

    Surely it should be the other way round. We’ve won the cup albeit a long tim ago, and our industrious neighbours were running a fascist state, also few decades ago.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2471475/Whats-YOUR-country-famous-Map-reveals-UK-leads-world-fascist-movements-U-S-Nobel-laureates-lawnmower-deaths.html

  53. David Ossitt says:
    October 22, 2013 at 11:16 pm

    Baron

    “Tracy Amin, is very much of the latter category.”

    We are of like mind.

  54. David Ossitt says:
    October 22, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    Baron.

    My father was a lecturer at the old Leeds City College of art as it was then and later at the Polytechnic, now one of Leeds’s Universities.

    His subject, pottery and the type’s formula and uses of glazes, I still have all of his carefully hand written formula/recipes for all of the glazes that he made.

    He knew many of the famous Yorkshire artist and sculptors, Henry Spencer Moore being one but Moore was about a decade and a half older than Dad, there are good potters all over the world who were students of his.

    He always referred to his work as the craft in the Arts and Craft movement, he did not live long enough to see and hear of Grayson Perry and that for me is a relief.

    I will grant that some of Perry’s work in particular his large vases are fine pieces.

  55. Verity says:
    October 23, 2013 at 1:03 am

    Baron 22:29 – http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2471776/Sultan-Brunei-introduce-new-sharia-laws.html –

    “Do they really believe it would please allah?”

    Do they really believe WHAT would please allah? Killing “infidels”? Why, yes, of course they do!! I assure you.

  56. Clear Memories says:
    October 23, 2013 at 5:15 am

    So the UK has finally woken up to the fact that they are acting as the third world’s doctor.

    And the head of the GPs body attacks the government. There is a bitch that need her tongue removing. Apparently, GP’s should not become an arm of the border agency.

    Well, a few simple steps will cut the cost and chase away many of the third-world freeloaders.

    Step 1 – No pregnant tourists without an open-ended insurance so that whatever costs are run up, they are not carried by the UK. Amend the nationality laws so that any person born in the UK as a result of tourism/short-term working visa does not qualify for UK citizenship.

    Step 2 – appoint Bursars in every NHS Hospital to check on every patient that is admitted but either has no health insurance nor a permanent UK address and ensure a method of payment is identified.

    Step 3 – no treatment for any long-standing illness or the results of that illness (eg diabetes) and absolutely no treatment for disabilities, especially congenital disabilities arising because of in-breeding due to religious/cultish/cultural beliefs.

    Step 4 – in any case of non-payment, deduct 10 times the sum owed from any Foreign Aid payments due to the Host Country of any foreign nationals. In the case of EU residents, deduct the amounts owed from the UK’s payments to Brussels and let Brussels recover the money form the offending member state.

    Step 5 – deportation for any person treated here upon release from NHS care – if they’re going to relapse, let them do it in their own hell-holes.

    And as a final thought, why not hold the likes of Qatar Airways responsible for the costs of treatment for any person admitted to Hospital within 12 hours of arrival in the UK on one of their flights. Impounding a Dreamliner would certainly offset some of the NHS costs.

    I know Step 2 works as that is what happens here in Oz. Step 3 (I think in conjunction with Step 5) also works here – I’ve seen Arabs in wheelchairs held at the boarding gate and shipped straight back out.

  57. Ostrich (occasionally) says:
    October 23, 2013 at 9:57 am

    @Clear Memories 23rd, – 05:15

    “Well, a few simple steps will cut the cost and chase away many of the third-world freeloaders.”

    Sounds good to me, CM. Only thing that could screw it up is lefty medics refusing to apply the rules, so perhaps we should make them personally financially liable for any costs incurred by such refusal.

  58. Alexsandr says:
    October 23, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    Ostrich (occasionally)@October 23rd, 2013 – 09:57

    GP’s are not NHS employees but work on an agency basis.
    Its simple only pay them for patients who are entitled. And make them liable for hospital costs if they refer someone unentitled to a hospital.

  59. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 23, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    I was going to suggest that only those with an NI number should be treated without further investigation, but this Government and the last has issued 650,000 NI numbers a year to foreign nationals for the last 5 years so that is not a secure test anymore

  60. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 23, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Alexsandr
    October 23rd, 2013 – 12:10
    Sounds logical. Wonderful how altruistic motives go out of the window if one has to dip into one’s pocket!

  61. Verity says:
    October 23, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    Clear Memories 5:15 – An absolutely excellent post from every angle. Dave will never institute it, of course, because he is ambulatory crap, but you might think of sending it to Nigel.

    No pregnant tourists – I am astonished that they get in! Of course, they should never leave the airport and should be sent to a special, barren holding area … well, maybe with a couple of vending machines so they can spend money in Britain, but no leaving the arrivals area.

    Step 2 – Absolutely. And no alien in a wheelchair allowed outside the holding area without proving they have insurance (and it’s current).

    Re Step 1, btw, superb. If they can’t prove they have insurance or funds for medical emergencies, they, too, shouldn’t be allowed outside the holding area while waiting for the next plane back so they can fly home immediately, at their own expense.

    Step No 3, seconded.

    Step No 4 – I love it! This would eventually ensure that the government of departure would check on those wishing to board to make sure they didn’t get lumbered, out of foreign aidd inexplicably given to then, with medical costs for those of their citizens who apparently suddenly become ill once landed in Britain.

    Next we come to my favourite — pregnant women. These should not be allowed in at all. First, because there is no room for them, and second because there is a high likelihood that the foetus is carrying a genetic fault through intermarriages. I have tried to find out how many victims of incest are under permanent, or long-term, medical care in the UK, but never managed to hit the right button. But I understand there are thousands of them in hospitals/homes, who will never be deemed fit to leave. So I would say, no pregnant women at all without a large bond being posted.

    Step No 4 – Brilliant! This would get the governments of the departure countries (slowly) to not allow pregnant women without a British passport on flights to Britain.

    Step No 5 – Endorse. And holding airlines reponsible for emergency care for any passenger landing. And your penultimate para – brilliant!

    Ostrich (occasionally): Lefty medics refusing to apply the law would be imprisoned. Breaking the law is a criminal offence. This should be made clear to them.

    Alexandr – Seconded.

  62. Verity says:
    October 23, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    Also, as an embellishment – Any border guard who defies any of the above conditions would becomed personally responsible for any health charges incurred by the person/s he let in illegally.

  63. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 23, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1392217/‎

    Verity, this is a 2011 link, but may interest you

  64. Verity says:
    October 23, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    Thank you, AWK, and I will go there next. Meanwhile, I had just copied this from Wickipedia:

    “It is estimated that 55% of marriages between Mirpuri (Kashmiri) Pakistani Muslim immigrants in the United Kingdom are between first cousins,[17][18][19] where “preferential patrilateral parallel cousin marriage” (where a boy marries his father’s brother’s daughter) is often favored.” Fifty-five percent!

    AWK – Just visited the link and, as usual, they drag in the royals. I wonder how we can find out what the percentage of long term care of victims born of incest is. Anyway, first cousin marriages should require tests for recessive genes and a medical certificate and there should be a complicated procedure that applicants for such a marriage have to go through.

  65. Verity says:
    October 23, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    According to someone called James in the correspondence section of an article in The Mail:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2472353/DSN-leader-Joland-Giwa-set-walk-free-Britain-kick-country.html#comments

    James says we are already building a prison in Nigeria to house these people. (So far he has over 400 approvals for his suggestion.)

  66. Ostrich (occasionally) says:
    October 23, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    “James says we are already building a prison in Nigeria to house these people.”

    Fair enough…and we shouldn’t limit ourselves to sending only Nigerians there.

  67. Ostrich (occasionally) says:
    October 23, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    @Alexsandr 23rd, – 12:10

    “GP’s are not NHS employees but work on an agency basis.”

    Who said anything as specific as GPs? In A&E there are several layers of medics to pass through before they get to see an actual doctor. They could be stopped at any of these layers.

    p.s. since many of those passing through A&E are neither the former nor the latter.

  68. David Ossitt says:
    October 23, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    The weather did not look good enough to garden this morning and so I proposed a drive out to the loneliest pub in Britain for lunch, not only is it lonely but it also happens to be built at the highest level above sea-level of any Public House in the United Kingdom “Tan Hill Inn” Tan Hill near Reeth North Yorkshire.

    Because I expected the round trip would be more than 150 miles I took the fastest rout going there, A1 north to Scotch Corner then the A66 to Brough then left turn into the high hills.

    We saw a double rainbow on the way there and though very wet the scenery was splendid, the Inn was first recorded in the early 1600’s, not one house or dwelling did we see on the last ten miles of our journey, remote indeed.

    A simple lunch, a pint, gammon, eggs and all of the trimmings.

    We drove home on the pretty rout, south, to Hawes, then still going south, Oughtershaw, Deepdale, Yockenthwaite, Hubberholme, Buckden, Starbotton, Kettlewell, Grassington, Burnsall, Appletreewick, Bolton Abbey, these names are music to the ear and then finally the faster road over Blubberhouses to Harrogate and then home.

    Later on the Regional Section of the BBC 6 o’clock news, we were told of the final route for stages 1 and 2 of the ‘le Toure de France’ next summer, by sheer coincidence much of Stage1 will be over the roads we covered on our drive home.

  69. Alexsandr says:
    October 23, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    David Ossitt@October 23rd, 2013 – 19:55

    Pity you didnt go to the Farmers Arms in Muker. It is a fine unspoiled pub.

    there is a nice cafe in Keld too. you can walk alongside the river through the meadows between the 2 and have a nice day out.

    did you get some cheese in Hawes?

  70. EC says:
    October 23, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    Mark Steyn cleans Cameron’s clock…

    http://www.steynonline.com/5809/whose-islam

  71. David Ossitt says:
    October 23, 2013 at 11:23 pm

    Alexsandr October 23rd, 2013 – 20:13

    “did you get some cheese in Hawes?”

    No, not on this occasion but as you will know; we drove directly past the ‘The Wensleydale Creamery’ as we were leaving Hawes.

    We both love their Wensleyday Cheese, homemade Christmas Cake would not be the same without it, Waitrose sell their brand of Wensleyday made with ewe’s milk, it makes for a delightful change.

    We have never tried the Farmers Arms in Muker, thank you for the recommendation, we will certainly give it try.

    At our age we are not too keen on dining out in the evening, we both get overtired and so we compensate with lunch out two or three times a week

  72. RobertC says:
    October 23, 2013 at 11:46 pm

    Verity – 14:21 ‘cousins!’
    I do believe that children borne from cousins related by having one set of grandparents are not at a very high risk at all.

    The problem is that this ‘process’ has been happening for generations, so not only are they cousins, but their parents are cousins and their grandparents are cousins and the greatgrandparents are cousins, etc

    It is by this continued ‘purification’ that any genetic problems manifest themselves more and more as each generation continues in the same old way.

  73. Verity says:
    October 23, 2013 at 11:52 pm

    Robert C above, Quite. But the Pakistani inbreeding has gone on for generations for the reason, pure and simple, that they wish to conserve their money in the family.

    EC 23:11 – Thanks for the pointer to Mark Steyn’s column! Recommended! Also, I note that he has a new book out called “My Sharia Amor”.

  74. RobertC says:
    October 24, 2013 at 12:00 am

    Verity – 23:52 ‘they wish to conserve their money in the family’

    Don’t we all!

    But here, our tradition is, or was, to treat a marriage as an opportunity to create a new, bigger family, not entrench the old. It encourages a less tribal, more open, society.

    I do remember when this topic appeared, probably a couple of years ago.

    A couple of geneticists were appealing for more funds to investigate the problem! There was no one available to tell them, “Just marry someone else! It can be arranged!” 🙂

    It was just throw more tax payers money at the problem! It doesn’t much differ from most other problems we have!

    (Oh heck! I am running out of exclamation marks!)

  75. Verity says:
    October 24, 2013 at 4:54 am

    Good link: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100242737/cheer-up-there-is-a-nightmare-approaching-for-europhiles/

  76. Malfleur says:
    October 24, 2013 at 5:02 am

    Now here’s a citizen’s cop:

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/exclusive-westgate-interpol-chief-ponders-armed-citizenry/story?id=20637341

    Come on, ladies and gentlemen! let’s get serious and put this civil right back on the agenda!

  77. Baron says:
    October 24, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Malfleur at 05:02

    How long will it take for whoever appointed this chap to retire him?

    Baron reckons he is more likely to wake up one day, admire pigs flying than encounter an armed citizenry, Malfleur. Apologies for the negativity, of course, but can you yourself truly believe it could happen? Here?

  78. Baron says:
    October 24, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Verity @ 23:52

    Darwin’s marriage was consanguineous. He married his first cousin, had ten kids of whom three died because of some infection, most of his other children, although marrying, didn’t have children.

    Humans have known for millennia marrying people close by birth is no good, hence many religions ban it. It should be banned here, too, the cost of looking after the unfortunate offspring must be quite high.

  79. Baron says:
    October 24, 2013 at 11:09 am

    We’ve never had music on the blog, as far as Baron remembers. Well, here’s a piece for you, one of the barbarian’s (non classical) favourites, even if you don’t like the two boys you must admit they don’t make them like that anymore.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa4sE5q7ogg

  80. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 24, 2013 at 11:34 am

    Marriage of cousins is banned in Orthodoxy and Catholicism. It is only allowed in Anglicanism because Henry VIII said so.

    The occasional marriage of cousins is one thing, but the generation after generation inbreeding of those who are all close relatives can only be harmful, and has shown itself to be harmful.

  81. John Jefferson Burns says:
    October 24, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Andy Car Park
    Obama not only looks in on your mobile but has a handle on your emails and blogging.

  82. John Jefferson Burns says:
    October 24, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    “Perhaps no opinion upon subjects of a medical character is more widely diffused among the public, or more tenaciously held, than that the results of the marriage of blood relations are almost uniformly unfortunate. This opinion has been so long held and so often reiterated by sheer force of these circumstances alone it has come to be regarded as an unquestioned and unquestionable fact” (Bell, 1859).

  83. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 24, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    JJN, I don’t see anyone saying it is ‘uniformly unfortunate’, we are talking about the case of Pakistani close relative marriages over many, many generations and becoming even more intensified in the West. This has been shown to be genetically hazardous.

  84. Baron says:
    October 24, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    Listen up, JJB, look up the figures, then come back, we’ll talk again.

  85. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 24, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    Less than a third of Birmingham students white and it’s getting worse. Almost half of the foreign born residents in the city have arrived in the last 10 years. The city is almost impossible to restore to a majority white British population unless all further migration is halted, and recent migrants required to return to their own countries.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10401771/Fewer-than-a-third-of-Birmingham-schoolchildren-are-white-report-finds.html

  86. Baron says:
    October 24, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    Peter from Maidstone @ 12:23

    And as if their superiority in numbers were not enough they also bring in weird customs, or do they?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10396170/Taxpayers-foot-350k-legal-bill-for-Muslim-pubic-hair-battle.html

    The one point to also notice is that it was our courts and not sharia’s that pontificated on the issue.

  87. Noa says:
    October 24, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    Talking about music on the Wall, here’s a requiem, a real battle of the bands, for the NHS.
    As one of the posters writers rating the NHS against itself is like riding the lava of an erupting volcano. As pertinently, another points out that there is no true comparision if it isn’t rated against other international healthcare systems.
    More vaguely worrying but ultimately pointless statistics, designed to hide the frightening truth, not reveal it’ in order to protect the quangos and the institutionalised murder.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/nhs/10401360/The-hospital-trusts-that-pose-a-high-risk.html

  88. Verity says:
    October 24, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    Malfleur 5:02 – “http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/exclusive-westgate-interpol-chief-ponders-armed-citizenry/story?id=20637341”.

    I lived in Texas, in Houston, for 12 years, and an armed citizenry works. The right to “carry concealed” works even better. It used to be that when you were in your car, you couldn’t carry your gun in the glove compartment or purse, but had to keep it on the seat next to you or on the dashboard. Now, no malfeasant has any way of judging whether a person is “carrying concealed” and crime dropped. You can’t even guess whether an old lady is “packin'” – and in Texas, many of them are.

    Or, we might insist that the police and special branch be disarmed. (Fair’s fair.) That includes Cameron’s and Milliband’s bodyguards (and Blair’s, – especially Blair’s if he visits the UK these days). This should concentrate their minds.

  89. Verity says:
    October 24, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    Baron – What would we Google to find out the cost of keeping consanguinous, born of at least two generations of consanguinity, alive?

  90. Verity says:
    October 24, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    PS – I ask because I have absolutely no doubt that the government hides these numbers from the electorate.

  91. Michael Roberts says:
    October 24, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    David Ossett, 19.55 yesterday

    Thank you for taking me back 50 years to my cycling days with that wonderfully evocative train of place names, from Wensleydale over and down through Wharfedale. You will remember the awesome climb over Fleet Moss even though you were in a car: time was when I could climb it on a bike. Happy days. Still have a bike, and actually have been going out on it a bit recently. Funny how you still see yourself in your head as you once were, until you try to exert yourself as you once did.

    Just have to keep buggering on.

    On the subject of heavy breathing and pounding heart, for those willing to stress-test their blood pressure I believe Owen Jones and Peter Hitchens are on QT tonight.

    Oh, and this: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Main_Page is VERY informative. Apologies if it’s been flagged up before, but I just came across it.

  92. Andy Car Park says:
    October 24, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    Cigar-chompin’ John Jefferson Burns

  93. Verity says:
    October 24, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    Michael Roberts – Are you kidding? Who is going to waste their time wading through this thick wadge of bunff about a primitive, violent belief system?

    I’d like to see islam outlawed in Britain as a dangerous cult. However, we can’t offend the major oil producers. Roll on the development of alternate sources of energy and we can cut through the crap and order mass deportations.

  94. Radford NG says:
    October 24, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    Peter f. M. at 12-23 :From current Birmingham Mail crime pages ; Forced marriages rocketed by 400%……Female mutilation–hidden crime…….Crime gangs fund terrorists. And on the Local News page: Unemployment double national average [Lozells 26%]………Classrooms-less then third white. SEE http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/all-about/crime

  95. Verity says:
    October 24, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    Why? Why? Why … are the police in Britain so reluctant to arrest those women in neighbourhoods who slice off the clitorises of little girls who are held down on a table? The police must know the names and addresses of these neighbourhood butchers.

    If any real British woman did this only once, she’s be up before the beak, yet these grotesque old women make a living out of it. The police must know who they are, yet they are left at liberty to proceed with the mutilation of little girls.

  96. Ostrich (occasionally) says:
    October 24, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    @Verity 24th, – 13:44

    “I have absolutely no doubt that the government hides these numbers from the electorate.”

    I have absolutely no doubt that the government has never bothered its *rse collecting such data, if for no other reason that it would be hopelessly inaccurate due to:
    1) Every other patient being called Mohammed, Ali, or Hussein.

    2) Just about every family lying, because giving a true answer will have them subjected to much closer scrutiny.

    And, if picked up on it, their answer will always be something like, “I Didn’t understand the question.” Remember, a question in never just a question, nor is an answer just an answer. Their perception of the reason for asking the question will always affect the answer they choose to give.

  97. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 24, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Pakistani community 10 times more likely to see genetic disorders due to cousin marriage…..

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7957808/700-children-born-with-genetic-disabilities-due-to-cousin-marriages-every-year.html

  98. Michael Roberts says:
    October 24, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    Verity 14:27

    Well, I was hardly suggesting that anyone would want to plough through it – just seems like a source of (1) entertainment and (2) ridicule for use in appropriate circumstances – e.g. when winding up (carefully selected) members of the local Ummah.

    I passed a local school this morning just about starting time, and it was like a scene from Tolkein: a street-full of little groups of two or three toddlers hand-in-hand with a Ring Wraith, Barrow Wight or Nazgul. Creepy, horrifying, and farcical.

    And of course I echo your other sentiments. But energy alternatives won’t happen quickly enough, and you know as well as I do that deportations will not happen. What may well happen is blood on the streets, and in common with many on here, I have grandchildren, and I fear for their future.

    Voting UKIP won’t solve it, but it’s about as much as most of us can do. Marine le Pen looks like a good sign in France, and there are many others dotted around the civilised world, but a critical mass is a long way off. It will get a lot worse yet.

    As before, KBO.

  99. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 24, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    Warning over cousin marriages: Unions between blood relatives in Pakistani community account for third of birth defects in their children

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2355277/Warning-cousin-marriages-Unions-blood-relatives-Pakistani-community-account-birth-defects-children.html

    Cousins who marry run double the risk of birth defects in their children, says the largest study of its kind in the Asian community.

    The Bradford research found that up to six out of 100 babies born to parents in the city who are blood relations have birth defects, compared with three in 100 of those who have not inter-married.

    (I would want to add that this is comparing a high density Pakistani community who have married cousins with those who have not married cousins but whose parents and grand-parents might well have done, so that the defects are latent. I’d like to know the rate in the white British population.)

    (I see the article suggest the national rate (still skewed my migrants) is only 2%)

    (The most ludicrous thing is that the report author …. Professor Neil Small, from the University of Bradford, said it would be wrong to use the findings to dissuade blood relatives from marrying).

    So we will all pick up the tab again then.

  100. Verity says:
    October 24, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    Ostrich (occasionally) 15:25 True. But the police and the public prosecutor and police cannot allow their offices to be tarnished by the muslim maze of names. If they had the will, they would persevere, but the will is not there. Too hard to fight an entire massive community who have already placed themselves above the law of the land and owe their duty only to their allah figment.

    Thanks, P from M, but there is a paywall and I’m not paying.

    Michael Roberts 15:33 “Winding up” muslims can have severe side effects. Like death or mutilation if the iman declares a fatwa.

    Marine LePen is a stalwart defender of the French, French folkways and French history and is a solid soldier against islam. So is Geert Wilders. Does anyone know if there are any Germans prominent in politics as enemies of islam and for shutting down immigration and mass deportations? Surely there must be! If Britain, France and Germany became allies in this cause, we could have mass deportations round the clock until all the offenders were removed from our countries.

    I have a feeling Chancellor Angela Merkel has stayed dumb on islam, but there must be other Germans – a fiercely patriotic and fiercely intelligent race – who are working on this.

  101. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 24, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    Verity, I assume you are using a proxy server to give you access to the DT?

  102. Verity says:
    October 24, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    P from M – What’s a proxy server?

  103. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 24, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    http://www.hidemyass.com

    Type in the address you want. It hides your business. Or you can install a proxy client into your browser like anonymox

  104. Verity says:
    October 24, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    Gosh, I don’t know how to do all that, but perhaps someone around here knows. My landlord, maybe. He is very clever. I’ll ask him. Thank you.

  105. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 24, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    You click on the link I provided and add the address you want to open. http://www.telegraph.co.uk. It could not be any simpler.

  106. David Ossitt says:
    October 24, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    Baron October 24th, 2013 – 10:48

    “Humans have known for millennia marrying people close by birth is no good, hence many religions ban it. It should be banned here, too, the cost of looking after the unfortunate offspring must be quite high.”

    My whole life I have been by instinct and intellect in the never ban anything camp, I still am, I truly believe that most, no all of those who wish to ban this that or the other, are control-freaks, nasty, mean , narrow minded, probably Lib Dem or Labour, it is not the Conservative way.

    However I do believe that it is high time certain practices were made illegal and that anyone who transgress these laws if found guilty should be very severely punished by imposing prison terms that would reflect the seriousness of their crimes.

    My list that follows might well miss some that others here might wish to add.

    Allowing or arranging or otherwise tolerating the barbaric practice of female genital mutilation on one’s daughter, niece or any other female relative or acquaintance.

    The practice of marrying off one’s offspring to blood relatives.

    The arranged/forced/coerced/pressured marriage either here in the UK or in the Indian Sub-Continent of young girls, teenagers to husbands selected by the females family.

    The wearing of any item of clothing designed to cover the face from view in any public space.

  107. Verity says:
    October 24, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    Thanks, P from M, but I did as you said and got a notice that read:
    Deze domeinnaam is geregistreerd voor een klant van Mijndomein.nl

    Even if I hadn’t taken a year of Dutch, lo these many moons ago, I would have been able to translate the above. But I didn’t know I would requireed to fill in a Dutch questionaire!

  108. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 24, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    Did you click on the link or type it? It works fine here.

  109. Verity says:
    October 24, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    OK, I’ll try again. (tick, tick, tick, tick) … I clicked on the link! I worked!!!!! Thank you, P from M!
    .

  110. Verity says:
    October 24, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    David O – You list “Allowing or arranging or otherwise tolerating the barbaric practice of female genital mutilation on one’s daughter, niece or any other female relative or acquaintance.”

    You forgot to add, practising female genital butchery. These crones have whole neighbourhoods sewn up – so to speak.

    So far as I know, there is not another group of people on the planet Earth who allow (or would even think up!) such a grotesque practice. And this is all to keep the money within the family. The same as first cousin marriages generation after generation. The daughters must be “fixed” so they never fall for a pair of roguish eyes or a man with a good line in patter.

    Why is this habit not investigated and the perps, including the butcheress, arrested?

  111. Verity says:
    October 24, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    Why do successive governments pander to the primitive sect of islam? Their pervy “prophet” married little girls. He “married” Aisha when she was six and then had long discussions with his mates as to whether he should violate her immediately, or whether she was “too small”.

    I may have mentioned this before, but doctors today say that, from what they have read, he seems to have suffered from epilepsy. A village scribe took down what he thought Mo said when he appeared to be receiving emails of the mind from allah. The whole belief system seems to have been predicated on the mumblings of a man suffering from epileptic seizures.

  112. Alexsandr says:
    October 24, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    Re FGM

    And any teacher, health visitor, nurse, doctor, social worker or policeman who finds a mutilated girl/woman of any age and fails to report it should be prosecuted and struck off from their profession.
    A woman of 26 who is mutilated probably still has parents who should be prosecuted.

    Read this]http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/guest_blogs/a1848333-Guest-blog-from-an-FGM-survivor-the-government-must-act-now-to-prevent-more-girls-being-cut

    that teacher should be prosecuted IMHO. even now. There is no statute of limitations.

  113. Verity says:
    October 24, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    Re Alexsandr’s link above, “that teacher should be prosecuted IMHO. even now. There is no statute of limitations.” Agreed. The cowardly British government has to make a start on this. If Cameron is too scared, he could team up with other members of the EU, which may be useful for once, and declare a fatwah on FMG and start instigating well-publicised investigations and prosecutions stat.

  114. Verity says:
    October 24, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    A punishment for a muslim being complicit in FMG should be deportation back to the primitive hellhole from which they emerged. All these old women performing these mutilations should be deported stat. As in, after a successful prosecution, next plane out leaving behind fingerprints and a sample of DNA, which should be circulated around EU Immigration departments.

  115. David Ossitt says:
    October 24, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    Verity
    “You forgot to add, practising female genital butchery. These crones have whole neighbourhoods sewn up – so to speak.”

    Hello Verity, I had thought that I had covered it with my “the barbaric practice of female genital mutilation”

  116. Verity says:
    October 24, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    Well, yes, David Ossitt — but I wanted to put it more graphically. Female genital mutiliation isn’t strong enough.

  117. Ostrich (occasionally) says:
    October 24, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    Well, well, well!

    I’ve not been observing the stories about the EDL closely, more just a general overview, but I’m now learning, from the vapid “One Show” that his recent ‘conversion’ wasn’t all that Damascene in nature.

  118. Ostrich (occasionally) says:
    October 24, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    Sorry, I’ll try again to be coherent:

    Well, well, well!

    I’ve not been observing the stories about the EDL closely, more just a general overview, but I’m now learning, from the vapid “One Show” that Tommy Sean Lennon Robinson’s recent ‘conversion’ wasn’t all that Damascene in nature.

  119. Verity says:
    October 24, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    Uh. I see.

  120. Michael Roberts says:
    October 24, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    Just watching Channel 4 News – debate about the Ninja costumes – roomfull of the buggers plus Douglas Murray and Yasmin Alibaih Brown – never thought I’d hear her talking sense, but she sure is tonight. Still going on …

  121. Alexsandr says:
    October 24, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    Ostrich (occasionally)@October 24th, 2013 – 19:11

    I thought the one show piece was fairly balanced. but having the muslim chap on alone after the film wasnt right. they should have had someone to oppose him to give balance.

    But tommys point that we need to find the moderates and nurture them may be a way forward.

  122. Baron says:
    October 24, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    David Ossitt @ 16:28

    Seconded three times over, young sir.

  123. Baron says:
    October 24, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    Verity @ 13:43

    Sorry, Verity, Baron didn’t furnish the google addresses dealing with inbreeding, Peter fM was kind to do it. Baron really apologizes for posting things then buzzing off. Unfortunately, he’s too busy.

  124. Ostrich (occasionally) says:
    October 24, 2013 at 11:32 pm

    Alexsandr 24th, – 19:38

    “I thought the one show piece was fairly balanced. but having the muslim chap on alone after the film wasn’t right. they should have had someone to oppose him to give balance.”

    Fair enough…I didn’t watch it that far; I was too busy trying to post my 19:11. But obviously he of the multiple names has been ‘worked on’ for some time.

  125. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 24, 2013 at 11:35 pm

    Verity, FGM is not restricted to Muslims. It is practiced over a huge swath of Africa and the Middle East.

  126. Radford NG says:
    October 25, 2013 at 12:52 am

    25th October 1415,early a.m. : The poor condemn’ed English sit around their fires,while the Royal captain of this ruin’ed band moves amongst them,giving a little touch of Harry in the night.———`Good cuz,wish not a man from England this day……For today is the Feast of Crispian;and Crispian Crispianus shall ner go by from this day to the end of the world but we in it be remember’ed.We few,we happy few;we Band of Brothers.`_____________Saints Crispian and Crispianus being [it is said] cobblers who once lived in Faversham,Kent on the site of the Swan public house. SEE http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/142226/sec_id/142226

  127. Noa says:
    October 25, 2013 at 1:25 am

    Less is more.
    It was I thought, a superb performance by Peter Hitchens on QT tonight; dispassionate, magisterial. He made Jones, a cliche shouting monkey, Farron, Flint, Truss and Co look like the bawling dissembling hypocrites that they are, and won first the silence and then the grudging respect of an inherantly left-leaning audience, by facing them with the truth of their deception by the lies of their own politicians.

    If you missed it do make the effort to catch up with it on BBC Iplayer.

  128. Noa says:
    October 25, 2013 at 2:41 am

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03flbwl/Question_Time_24_10_2013/

  129. Verity says:
    October 25, 2013 at 3:05 am

    P from M 23:25 – Female genital mutilation … “It is practiced over a huge swath of Africa and the Middle East.”

    I would say ALL of the Middle East, given that they are all, in effect, islamics or imbued with the majority mindset. I can’t, off the top of my head, name a country in the ME which is not islamic. And there are huge swathes of them in Africa. Tunisia, for example, Morocco and others I can’t remember off the top of my head. I think Nigeria, or wherever Obama was born, too.

    Even the name “female genital mutiliation” irritates me because it sounds so clinical, whereas it is, essentially, sacrificing part of a person who has no choice in the matter. Come to think of it, it has more in common with rape.

  130. Verity says:
    October 25, 2013 at 3:22 am

    PS – I forgot to mention SEA Asia, home to Malaysia and Indonesia … both islamic countries. And the sub-continent of India, which, although it is blessed with a Hindu majority and Nehru and Jinna created the country of Pakistan to be their new home, still has a lot of muslims who stayed. But Indian moslems aren’t as nutty as Paki moslems. It was the nut jobs who moved to Pakistan.
    And Turkey.

    And Kenya seems to have a lot of muslims – Barack Obama’s family, to name but a few.

  131. John Jefferson Burns says:
    October 25, 2013 at 5:31 am

    Try the Amish for inbreeding.
    They may be odd but they are a successful bunch.
    Your royal family is not averse to a touch of inbreeding

  132. John Jefferson Burns says:
    October 25, 2013 at 5:33 am

    Verity.
    Is Israel in the ME?

  133. Alexsandr says:
    October 25, 2013 at 6:35 am

    John Jefferson Burns
    October 25th, 2013 – 05:33

    Israel they do male genital mutilation, which i consider to be as bad.

  134. Malfleur says:
    October 25, 2013 at 8:07 am

    Terence Kealey in an article in the September issue of Standpoint entitled “Why Students Should Be Glad to Pay Tuition Fees” draws the conclusion that:

    “British vice-chancellors look not to Europe but to America for their models, recognising our common heritage in the Bill if Rights [1689]rather than in continental absolutism”.

    We should look again at that heritage in all its aspects, especially when a fight appears to be shaping up to save or sink it.

  135. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 25, 2013 at 8:52 am

    JJB, you miss the point and clearly haven’t read any of the posts here. It is inter-generational marriage of close relations which is harmful. The Amish do not practice very close inbreeding over generations. Nor do royal families.

  136. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 25, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Verity, FGM is not restricted to Muslims but is performed by varying rates of all those different religions in the many countries where it is present. It is a much older cultural practice than Islam. I am sure that non-Muslims from Africa are perpetuating this practice in the UK right now, as well as Muslims.

  137. Noa says:
    October 25, 2013 at 10:37 am

    It’s not ‘Female genital mutilation’, or ‘Female circumcision’

    It’s castration, for the comfort of uncle Abdul.

  138. Radford NG says:
    October 25, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Young Italian murdered in Maidstone by Lithuanians.EU socialist leader blames UKIP…..An Italian youth who had been here ten days was killed on Sunday by a gang that broke into his flat allegedly shouting `You are taking our jobs`…….The leader of the Socialist Group of MEPs[which includes Labour],who is Austrian,declared :`The xenophobic,aggressive,climate inflamed by populists such as UKIP and rhetoric from Conservative ministers is leading to murder in the streets of Britain`.(See D.M.)…………The Kent Police have stated that four men have been charged.These all have Lithuanian names….Lithuanian is one of the languages that the Kent Police web site can be translated into. SEE http://www.kent.police.uk/news/latest_news/131022_maidstone_mur.html

  139. David Ossitt says:
    October 25, 2013 at 10:55 am

    On radio4 yesterday I heard a discussion on the effectiveness of the shingles vaccination, the general consensus was that it is a good thing and will save thousands from suffering the pain and discomfort of this dreadfully debilitating condition.

    I listened with bated breath for those involved to mention the awful age lottery that is being used to cover the fact that the NHS has not ordered supplies sufficient to the countries need, they never mentioned it.

    I was made aware of this on a recent visit to my own GP’s Surgery, there on the wall were posters inviting individuals aged 70 or 79 to avail themselves of this vaccine.

    I have an extremely close and frank relationship with my GP and so at the end of my consultation I mentioned said posters, he rolled his eyes heavenward and said this is a cock-up; an utter disgrace, that there was so little available that they have been instructed to ration in this arbitrary way.

    I append the details of said posters below.

    Shingles Vaccination Published on Sep 27, 2013

    Anyone aged 70 on September 1 2013 (born between 2/9/42 and 1/9/43) is eligible for the new shingles vaccine on the NHS.

    If you were aged 79 on September 1 2013 (born between 2/9/33 and 1/9/34), you will also be able to have the shingles vaccine on the NHS as part of a catch-up programme.

    If you were aged 71 to 78 on September 1 2013, your next opportunity to have the shingles vaccine will be when you reach the age of 79.

    The reason the shingles vaccination programme is being staggered this way, is that it would be impractical to vaccinate everyone in their 70s in a single year.

    Anyone aged 80 and over on September 1 2013 will not be able to have the shingles vaccination on the NHS because it seems to be less effective as you get older.

    However, there may be some people aged 79 on September 1 2013 who will have turned 80 by the time they attend for vaccination, and they remain entitled to receive the vaccine.

    It’s perfectly safe and may be more convenient for you to have the shingles vaccine at the same time as your flu vaccine

    The vaccination will be offered at the walk-in flu clinics to all eligible patients. We have limited supply of the vaccines.

  140. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 25, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Radford, I’ve been driving past the murder scene each day this week. There have been 9 arrests, all except one are non-British, the one British may well turn out not to be British in any meaningful sense in due course.

  141. Alexsandr says:
    October 25, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    David Ossitt@October 25th, 2013 – 10:55

    why dont they vaccinate kids against chicken pox. that would eradicate shingles in later life?

    (shingles is the same virus as chicken pox. it stays in the body after Chicken pox. then when the body is stressed the virus starts up again causing the painful rash)

  142. Verity says:
    October 25, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    John Jefferson Burns – Is Israel in the Middle East! Are you joking? Of course it is! It’s the only country in the ME that doesn’t have islamics in it. Coming from country that has an islamic as its head of state, this was a weird question.

    Alexsandr 6:35 – You honestly think removing a man’s foreskin compares with slicing off the entire sexual organ? If you, presumably a non-medical person, “consider this just as bad”, you don’t know anything about female anatomy.

    Malfleur 8:07 – Yes, indeed!

    P from M – Then performing it should earn the perps (the old lady who does the butchery and the family who ordered it performed) a spell in the clink — making certain that the other prisoners know what they’re banged up for.

  143. Verity says:
    October 25, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    Dazzling! As strong and clear-headed as Marine Le Pen! I hope Nigel is in touch with this iron lady!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2476495/Mayor-Calais-says-number-UK-bound-illegal-immigrants-camping-port-untenable.html

  144. Alexsandr says:
    October 25, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    Verity@October 25th, 2013 – 13:14

    Well I could never have had my kids or grandkids put through this unnecessary mutilation.
    Why do people think they can improve on a beautiful baby?
    I am unrepentant. Both FGM and circumcision (MGM) are barbaric.

  145. Alexsandr says:
    October 25, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    Verity@October 25th, 2013 – 13:14
    Additional
    We should also inflict the full force of the law against those who give implicit approval of FGM by failing to report it. teachers, nurses, doctors, social workers and policemen should have a clear legal duty to report any FGM they fine. Even if the victim is now adult.

  146. Verity says:
    October 25, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    Alexsandr 13:14 – I couldn’t agree more. Anyone who knows of specific cases and doesn’t report it is as guilty as the family and the mutilist.

  147. Verity says:
    October 25, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    PS – The butcheress should be banged up in a woman’s prison and see how she gets on.

  148. Frank Sutton says:
    October 25, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    Verity 13.34: I find the mayor of Calais’ blaming the problem on Britain a bit feeble – why should it be up to Britain to keep law and order in France?

    And she refuses to meet British officials in an effort to deal with the problem – so it’s not clear whether dear Nigel would be able to break down her résistance.

  149. Andy Car Park says:
    October 25, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    Feminism is a socialist assault on the family because the family is conceived as an obstacle to plenary state control. It is no coincidence that 72% of public sector workers are women. One cannot even poke one’s nose inside a church door these days without finding Russian slappers cavorting around on the altar.

    Everywhere you look, there are women. Angry, screaming women.

    The monstrous regiment.

  150. Alexsandr says:
    October 25, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    anyone claiming asylum having come off a ferry from france should be told a simple no. if you want asylum, go back to france.

  151. Verity says:
    October 25, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    Frank Sutton 14:44 – Well, you have a point!

    Andy Carpark 14:54 – “Feminism is a socialist assault on the family because the family is conceived as an obstacle to plenary state control. It is no coincidence that 72% of public sector workers are women.”

    Interesting observation, and I didn’t know that 72% of public sector workers are women. That is a worry. I’m one myself and loathe women of the left more than I loathe the men (except Tony Blair).

    Alexsandr – Agree, 100%. They shouldn’t even be allowed off the ferry. “Asylum seekers” – read “greedy chancers” – are supposed to claim asylum in the first safe country they reach. I lived in France and it is very well run. Indeed, they would probably have come through one or two other safe countries before they managed to wedge themselves into France.

    France should simply send them back on cattle boats. They are in France. They are France’s problem. Their borders aren’t secure enough.

  152. David Ossitt says:
    October 25, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    Alexsandr October 25th, 2013 – 06:35

    “Israel they do male genital mutilation, which i consider to be as bad.”

    This raises a number of points, male child circumcision has nothing whatsoever to do with the state of Israel other than the fact that Israel’s population is almost 99% Jewish or Muslim and that it is Jews and Muslims the world over; who circumcise their male offspring when only a few days old in a religious ceremony, this is done by tradition to aid cleanliness and as a part of their religions.

    “which i consider to be as bad”

    How can a normally sensible poster write this?

    To compare the snipping off of a small sliver of foreskin; to say this is as bad as the barbaric practice of so called female circumcision, this tells me that you are not fully aware of what happens to a female teenager who is subjected to the so called female circumcision.

    First the clitoris is cut off and completely removed, then the vulva is cut at each side so that when these two sides are surgically stitched they form a barrier and provide no sexual pleasure to the woman, each time the mutilated need to give birth this barrier has to be re-cut and then afterwards re-sewn.

    I have already written that for baby boys this is done to aid cleanliness, not so for the girls, it is done to keep them subjugated, first as the property of the father or brothers and later of their husband.

    A foul degrading practice, that should be punished by all of those involved being given exemplary jail sentences.

  153. Verity says:
    October 25, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    Alexsandr – Agreed. Perhaps they should put the pervy old hags who do the cutting on girls in a men’s prison. Just to see how they’re treated.

    Although I suspect that they would fare just as ill in a women’s prison, as long as the women were informed of what her crimes were.

    I wonder how many girls these perverted hags “operate” on a week. A month. A year. I haven’t read of any of them being imprisoned for criminal assault.

  154. Alexsandr says:
    October 25, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    David Ossitt@October 25th, 2013 – 16:10

    So I am dirty then?
    millions of years of evolution are wrong?
    Dont think so

  155. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 25, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    Verity, none have been prosecuted in the UK. There is a deliberate avoidance of this issue. Jimmy Savile gropes some girls and is a monster (he may well be), but 10,000 girls are mutilated and tortured and the media are deliberately silent.

  156. Radford NG says:
    October 25, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    Much information will be found at Stop FMG UK. SEE https://www.facebook.com/STOPFGMUK

  157. Verity says:
    October 25, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    P from M – Yes. I know, and I think this should be an opportunity for a paper, The Mail, perhaps, as it is hungry for sensation, to assign a couple of investigate reporters to finding out the facts surrounding this mutilation of children and young girls. The damage is permanent. It can never be healed or changed. It’s a life sentence performed by an ignorant old hag at the behest of criminally insane parents.

  158. David Ossitt says:
    October 25, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Alexsandr October 25th, 2013 – 16:26

    “So I am dirty then? millions of years of evolution are wrong? Dont think so”

    I never said that you were dirty, nor did I infer that any other man (including myself) who has not been circumcised is dirty.

    I said that they did it primeval for health and it is now the custom and a necessary part of their religion.

    It is my opinion, that way back in the far distant past it was done as a way of preventing nasty fungal or other infections taking hold behind the foreskin, and probably prevalent in the very hot climates of what is now the Middle East.

    In a similar way as both Jews and Muslims do not eat pork or shellfish and crustaceous, or milk and meat together because of strict religious ‘dietary laws’, I have always been of the opinion that such practice would be very sensible in hot climates without the benefit of refrigeration technology.

    Do calm down, I am sure that nobody here is trying to have a go at you.

  159. David Ossitt says:
    October 25, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    Alexsandr October 25th, 2013 – 16:26

    “So I am dirty then? millions of years of evolution are wrong? Dont think so”

    I note that you failed to pick up on my point that male new born/baby circumcision was in no way comparable to the (as you had clearly stated) to the evil barbaric act of FMGM.

  160. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 25, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    “About 25,000 Gurkhas who retired before 1997 get about a third of the pension received by their British former comrades”. (on BBC web) In a voice resembling the departed colonialists of yore, I heard the Ministry of Defence explaining that they were not discriminating against these brave men, on the contrary, they gave them what was suitable for their life style. The Gurkhas have warned of a hunger strike to the death. Whilst I whole heartedly support them, I would sooner starve to death Cameron and his whole damn government.

  161. Verity says:
    October 25, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    AWK – Seconded!

  162. Noa says:
    October 25, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    Democracy is dying, or being murdered, in Greece.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/greece/10398363/Greece-freezes-state-funding-for-far-right-Golden-Dawn-party.html

  163. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 25, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    Those who wish to undermine the totalitarian state cannot expect to receive funding from the state, nor even request it. If the Greek people wish to be free then they must surely fund the popular movement themselves.

  164. Verity says:
    October 25, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    P from M – Yes.

    In other news, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2476893/Racist-killer-murdered-pensioner-days-entering-UK-told-serve-minimum-40-years-prison.html

    Being a “racist” seems to be limited to genetic Caucasians.

  165. Noa says:
    October 25, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    PfM
    You miss the point,
    The action against Gokden Dawn has been EU initiated. Whether political parties should be funded is a legitimate issue for discussion, but we are witnessing discrimination on the grounds of alleged, unproven charges.
    How long will it be before BNP or UKIP politicians are escorted. handcuffed, by armed hooded thugs to the cells?

  166. Noa says:
    October 25, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    “Greek parties are allowed to accept donations, but the lion’s share of their money comes from the state. A 2002 law allows them to claim 0.137 percent of public income. This year that gave them $95m, divided according to parties’ share of the popular vote. Golden Dawn, whose share was just over $2m, believes that money is too much.

    “We got quite a shock when we saw how much is spent on parties in parliament,” says Ilias Kasidiaris, one of the six indicted Golden Dawn MPs. “A year ago we proposed a bill to scrap state financing, but we were told that is unconstitutional. Well now they’re doing it anyway to put a lid on Golden Dawn’s political activity.”

    Golden Dawn is small enough and isolated enough that its legislative proposals in parliament can easily be quashed; but it could conceivably win the battle of public opinion over the idea of radically lowering public funding for the political system. Such a move would do little damage to Golden Dawn now, but it would torpedo the finances of the ruling conservatives and socialists, who have borrowed heavily against future electoral victories. Together they owe banks more than $350m. For that sort of money, private donors could create several new parties.”

    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/10/golden-dawn-chained-but-not-chastened-2013102382919462689.html

  167. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 25, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    Noa, why do you expect the EU to sit by and do nothing about Golden Dawn? It may well be that UKIP is treated the same way. Do you expect otherwise?

    Now is the time to act while we can! Yet many insist it is too late. If it is too late then we should stop complaining and accept the inevitable.

  168. Noa says:
    October 25, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    Mr Hitchen’s reflections today on his QT advice to Britons to emigrate:-

    http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2013/10/do-try-a-bit-of-deep-thought-michael.html

  169. David Ossitt says:
    October 25, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    Peter from Maidstone October 25th, 2013 – 17:56

    “Now is the time to act while we can! Yet many insist it is too late. If it is too late then we should stop complaining and accept the inevitable.”

    Peter this is most unlike you, normally you are one of nature’s optimists, please do think positive thoughts.

    And yes do accept the inevitable, it is our fate our destiny that we the English will leave the EUSSR and will be once more a free sovereign state.

    When this happy day eventually comes the final days of the EUSSR will have begun.

  170. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 25, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    David O, I am not one who thinks it too late. But there are those who do.

  171. Noa says:
    October 25, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    Peter,

    I do expect EU interference in the nation states’ parliamentary democracies. It is an inherently totalitarian organisation and a financially bankrupt Greece and its democratically bankrupt politicians, are in hock to it.
    That does not mean the EU’s direct attack on an elected political party should be allowed to pass without any comment.

  172. Noa says:
    October 25, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    And the Marxist journalists on Spiked are writing more sensibly than their so-called conservative counterparts on DT.

    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/welcome_to_the_trust_no_one_society/14175#.UmqkaRAlhas

  173. David Ossitt says:
    October 25, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    Anne Wotana Kaye 1 October 25th, 2013 – 17:05

    “About 25,000 Ghurkhas who retired before 1997 get about a third of the pension received by their British former comrades”.

    Anne if in writing this I get some of my facts wrong please let me apologise to you now.

    The British were so impressed with bravery of the Nepalese Tribesmen who fought against the East India Company in the Ghurkha War (1814–1816) that in the Peace Treaty that followed it was agreed that the Ghurkha’s could be recruited to serve under contract in the East India Company’s army.

    That is why there are Ghurkha still military units in the Nepalese, British and the Indian army of today.

    The pensions that they would receive on retirement were always generously assessed to provide a much more than adequate income on their retirement and return to clan and family in Nepal, families that had prospered because of the income earned and paid to these proud warriors.

    The now beatified Joanna L Lumley, OBE, FRGS, should not have interfered as she did but then the unintended consequences that follow in the wake of most goody-two-shoes we all have to live with.

  174. David Ossitt says:
    October 25, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    Noa October 25th, 2013 – 17:36

    “Democracy is dying, or being murdered, in Greece.”

    I urge you all to follow the link below, provided by Noa and read the text but even more I ask you to look at the photograph.

    Heavily armed men dressed from head to toe in black wearing ‘balaclava’ type face masks escort Nikos Michaloliakos, leader of the Golden Dawn party at the courthouse in Athens, Greece.

    First they came for the communists, and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a communist.
    Then they came for the socialists, and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a socialist.
    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a trade unionist.
    Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me.

  175. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 25, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    But they don’t come for the communists, socialists or trade unionists!

    They came for the EDL and people said it was their own fault.
    They came for harmless Christian street preachers and people said they deserved to be silenced.
    They came for the B&B owners with Christian principles and people said they should be forced to accomodate homosexualists or close down.
    They came for the Catholic Adoption agencies, and people said it was probably just as well that religious people be excluded from child care.

    That’s who they have come for.

  176. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 25, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    David Ossitt
    October 25th, 2013 – 19:17
    David, that was then and now is now. Actually, I think Lumley was right spesking out, would that more people be brave enough to stand up and be counted for what they believe in. I say that, even if I do not agree with what they are fighting for, Anything would be better than the sullen, dumb acceptance of the average citizens. Millipede the Marxist and Cameron (the unprintable ‘C’) can march all over us and get away with it. Now is th time to rise up and rid the Land of these leeches.

  177. Radford NG says:
    October 25, 2013 at 8:44 pm

    Peter f. M. at 19-42 : Hear,hear.

  178. Radford NG says:
    October 25, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    David Ossit at 19-17 : There are different aspects to the Gurkhas.They were based in Hong Kong till the Crown Colony was abandoned when they were brought to the UK.This allowed leftist agitators to make trouble and demand full parity with British soldiers;which included right of settlement in the UK,and to bring their family here;which is causing local authorities trouble,and was part of the campaign to undermine our homogeneous nation.This is one story.There is another one______________The truly needy and deserving Gurkhas don’t get government help.The Gurkhas from WWII did not get a pension.Their survivors today are dependent on the Gurkha Welfare Trust which supports 7,475 old soldiers and widows.The Trust is committed to continuing support for the Gurkhas widows.(I got their latest appeal today.) These are the Gurkhas who really need our help.The G.W.T. [patron Prince Charles] have a web site at http://www.gwt.org.uk

  179. John birch says:
    October 25, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    Jack straw to step down.
    Bloody good job.
    One of those at the centre of the group who fucked this country.
    Go, go now and have nothing more to do with politics, you have done enough damage to this country.
    In a sensible world you would be shot.

  180. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 25, 2013 at 10:59 pm

    John birch
    October 25th, 2013 – 22:27
    I agree!

  181. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 25, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    “The Respect party no longer has any councillors in Bradford after they all resigned, accusing George Galloway of defamation and lack of transparency”.
    Here is another lump of slime who should go to hell with Jack Straw.

  182. Noa says:
    October 25, 2013 at 11:13 pm

    They’re coming for the newspapers next week….

    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/why_should_the_dpp_define_press_freedom/14188#.UmrocRAlhat

  183. David Ossitt says:
    October 25, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    P from M

    That’s who they have come for.

    you are absolutely right.

  184. David Ossitt says:
    October 25, 2013 at 11:42 pm

    Radford NG

    “The Trust is committed to continuing support for the Gurkhas widows.(I got their latest appeal today.)”

    As did I, I expect yours as was mine came with this weeks copy of the Spectator.

  185. Baron says:
    October 26, 2013 at 10:02 am

    John birch @ 22:27

    We should have had that pint together on the day we’ve nearly crossed each other’s path in Polstead, John. Baron sees himself saying exactly the same, word for word, down to the ‘sensible world …..’.

  186. Verity says:
    October 26, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    Twelve minutes past 1pm your time and no posts? What is wrong?

  187. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 26, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    I’ve been in Windsor all morning with Church. Don’t know about anyone else.

  188. Alexsandr says:
    October 26, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Lord Straw in 2015 then.

    botheration 🙁

  189. Verity says:
    October 26, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    This is the first time I have booted up the computer in the morning and there were NO POSTS from anyone at the Coffee House Wall.

    Alexsandr – If the sly, nide, creepy-crawly, malicious Jack Straw gets a gong for assisting in the wreckage of Britain, then the genuine Lords ought to lock the door and have a sit-in. Also, the real lords should boycott the HoL until It is quite certain that the will of the people is followed and the Lords will not be further degraded. Sit-ins are what people like Jack Straw did when young. He is a disgusting, nauseating individual. Worse than “Lord” Ahmed.

  190. Verity says:
    October 26, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    Correction, first line of second para –fourth word is “snide”.

  191. Alexsandr says:
    October 26, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    so straw not on your Christmas card list then. Verity?

  192. Verity says:
    October 26, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    Everyone, write to your MP and tell him or her that Jack Straw must not get a gong. He is a vile, foul creature who has degraded Parliament and his office, as did Bliar.

    Cameron – show some and don’t put this wretched, dangerous man, who has been a key player in the the willful destruction of Britain, into the HoL. He shouldn’t even get a letter from HM. He is as vicious, scheming and destructive as Bliar. If he is allowed to slither into the HoL, we may as well close the second chamber down, rather than allow him to participate further in the destruction of Britain as a free country.

  193. Verity says:
    October 26, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    I read that Britain has had a hurricane force gale. What are all the loyal denizens of Coffee House? It’s two o’clock in the afternoon!

  194. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 26, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    The bad weather is due to arrive late tomorrow.

  195. Alexsandr says:
    October 26, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    Peter from Maidstone@October 26th, 2013 – 14:10

    looks like worst south of the M4.

  196. Verity says:
    October 26, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    Thanks, P from M! I was wondering how so many people could be out and about in a hurricane.

  197. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 26, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    I’m hoping Kent avoids it. I am in London most of the day and then picking my wife up from the airport

  198. Verity says:
    October 26, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    We used to have fabulous hurricanes when I lived in the Yucatan! Talk about drama! Everyone loved them (including the Mexicans). As good as SE Asia.

  199. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 26, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    Verity
    October 26th, 2013 – 14:02
    Really, it’s the last straw!
    Didn’t his rotten old father go to sea. like Millipede’s? Talk about Mutiny On The Bounty!
    Seems that Bell Bottoms have a certain attraction……….. 🙂

  200. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 26, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    Sory, Straw the father was a Conchie in World War !!. He dumped his wife and family and left them in financial hard straits. A real greaseball, not hard to see where the son gets it from.

  201. Radford NG says:
    October 26, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    In the Telegraph a gay ant-racist writes of the EDL and immigration.He writes there was no malign conspiracy except a conspiracy of silence.”Mass immigration happened (because) business likes cheap labour,and Labour likes new votes.” This is followed by nearly 2000 comments. SEE http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10404839/There-was-conspiracy-behind-immigration-our-do-gooding-silence.html

  202. Verity says:
    October 26, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    AWK – 15:ll “Talk about mutiny on the bounty”! Clever! The bounty of the taxpayers …

    Yes, Jack Straw is a slimy sleaze and not overly-endowed with intelligence. But sly.

  203. Verity says:
    October 26, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    Radford Ng – the site is behind a paywall.

    Someone, how do I access it with Hide my Ass?

  204. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 26, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    Cut and paste the link into the form on hidemyass

  205. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 26, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    Verity
    October 26th, 2013 – 15:39
    Very clever!

  206. Alexsandr says:
    October 26, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    Radford NG@October 26th, 2013 – 15:23

    The comments are really kicking off. Disqus was continually telling me there were new comments above and below.

    Think he may have touched a nerve.

    Must be lost of bigots around today 🙁

  207. Verity says:
    October 26, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    PfromM – thank you!

  208. Frank P says:
    October 26, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    Don’ wurry! Be ‘appy …

    http://www.vevo.com/watch/willie-nelson/im-a-worried-man/USMNV0500039

  209. Verity says:
    October 26, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    I love Willy Nelson! He’s from Texas. Austin, I believe.

  210. Clear Memories says:
    October 27, 2013 at 1:26 am

    An American Pat Condell?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MolP9-OzNL0

    Talks more sense than JJB.

  211. Verity says:
    October 27, 2013 at 2:44 am

    Clear Memories 1:26 – Thanks so much for the link! I love him! I’m going to be a regular visitor. Thank you!

  212. dg says:
    October 27, 2013 at 4:30 am

    Comments are closed on that immigration thread. Haha hahaha. To be honest, why do we need the telegraph or any of these papers when there are great sites like coffeehousewall around? Most of the news is junk advertising or propaganda for various companies. The comments pages are the future? Yes or no?

  213. Fergus Pickering says:
    October 27, 2013 at 6:48 am

    You want immigration debate, ha?

    “The Immigration Officer Asked Me.”

    I was asked where are you coming from?
    I answered I ran away from the war in my
    country.?

    I was asked how many years the war lasted?
    I answered there was war for sixteen years
    we were bombarded daily attacked by militia
    on our way to work when we could go to work.

    I was asked why did you choose this country?
    I answered because they accept political refugees
    and i heard that Canadians are helping us.

    I was asked why do you look so pale and slim?
    I answered because we had no food to eat when
    we were bombarded we could not go out to buy
    food, and when we were in the shelter nobody
    brought us any food.

    I was asked why are you wearing dark glasses?
    I answered because i am not used to see the light.
    We rarely had electricity, always using a candle
    and staying in the dark for days my eye sight
    weakened.

    I was asked why don’t you hear well?
    I answered because of the arterially shelling.
    And we had a bomb falling on our ceiling when
    i was sitting in our home before the bomb fell.

    I was asked why do you look shabby?
    I answered because we never had water.
    We never had water running in our tapes
    we had to buy water to have a shower or
    rain to fill utensils in plastic for many days.

    He asked why don’t you have any luggage?
    I answered because i have nothing to wear.
    My kids education needed all the money and
    i worked 2 jobs to bring in some money.

    He asked what kind of work did you do?
    I answered i was working in the hospital.
    And working in a Boutique for mens clothing.

    He asked were you working as a nurse?
    I answered no i was cleaning the floors
    and bathrooms i was everywhere for years
    in that hospital.

    He asked do you have any money on you?
    I answered no the militia took everything.
    When i arrived to the boat to leave the
    country as the airport was closed for
    years sometimes, at the port, one militia
    guy just snatched the few dollars i had.

    He asked did you leave your home behind?
    I answered no they bombarded my home
    its in rebels i have nothing left in Lebanon.
    He noticed my tears tumbling down my cheeks.

    He asked where were you living then?
    I answered i lived underground with many
    people, for months sometimes we were
    underground sleeping on the floor somedays
    we had no food given by the enemy, the cry`s
    of children hungry was unbearable.

    He asked do you have any family with you?
    I answered no i have been alone since the war.
    I had to send away my children after they
    were able to graduate not to be snatched by
    the militia. They both went to the US to work.

    He asked how many children do you have?
    I answered i have two boys one is a lawyer
    and my other son is an interior designer.

    He asked and where are they now?
    I answered they ran away from the militia
    to the US as we had very close friends who
    took them until they could find work to pay
    a rented room.

    He asked how may languages do you speak?
    I answered i speak three languages.
    Arabic English and French.

    He asked do you want to stay here?
    I answered with my tears blinding
    my eyes, please, i have nowhere
    to go and i heard so much about
    the Canadians how human and
    generous they are.

    He looked at me with a painful look
    I will accept you as a political refugee
    we will give you some money every
    month you will have a bed to sleep
    you will have food to eat work to do
    water to drink shower and clothes
    to wear and you can ask your
    children to come, are you happy now.

    He stamped my passport and wished
    me a good luck with a huge smile.
    The beginning of a new life.

  214. Frank P says:
    October 27, 2013 at 8:01 am

    FOF!

  215. Noa says:
    October 27, 2013 at 8:06 am

    Frank P 08.01- seconded!

  216. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 27, 2013 at 8:52 am

    I’m thinking of developing something, a site, so that the headline and first sentence or so of a post on one of the newspaper sites that isn’t allowing comments is shown on this potential commenting site, so that people can comment there on the post where the DT etc will not allow it.

  217. John birch says:
    October 27, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Peter 8.52

    Excellent .

  218. EC says:
    October 27, 2013 at 10:24 am

    Clear Memories, October 27th, 2013 – 01:26

    “An American Pat Condell?”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MolP9-OzNL0

    Excellent find. Many thanks

  219. Noa says:
    October 27, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Next time you’re debating the cost of benefit fraud and the government’s incompetence in dealing with it with lefty in-laws, make sure you’re properly informed and won’t come scrounging their Sunday lunch off you again:-

    http://www.benefitfraud.org.uk/index.html

  220. Noa says:
    October 27, 2013 at 10:55 am

    PfM

    Excellent proposal and I think you have identified a real need, though, like all good ideas I’m not sure how it would work.
    Surely to go to a site to comment on on headline stories articles which can’t be commented on at the place where they are published you need to know where to go in the first place?
    Such a, multi forum site would serve a real need for the politically aware of both right and left.
    Possible names?
    Ungagged
    Freedom to Speak
    Stuff Leveson
    Thinking the Unthinkable
    The Libertarian…..

  221. Alexsandr says:
    October 27, 2013 at 11:05 am

    first shot over the bows?
    Bloody hope so

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24690002

  222. Verity says:
    October 27, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    Noa – I like Ungagged. Or how about Gag Off?

    Re – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24690002

    Alexsandr – Why the hell is the BBC still being privileged with free income when there are hordes of TV stations all over the world we can watch free on the internet? They’re not even trusted as unbiased any more. The Brits are paying, by means of force, through the nose to be stuffed full of one-worlder propaganda.

    I would like to see the BBC closed down as an anachronism in today’s age, or dumped into the free market. They’re such big one-worlders, they must surely understand that Brits can access the world for news and entertainment.

    Also, I assume people outside Britain watch it free, without a “licence” to watch television??

    EC 10:24 last night, couldn’t agree more. He sounds Texan — my favourite accent!

  223. Alexsandr says:
    October 27, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Verity@October 27th, 2013 – 12:25

    You cant use i-player abroad. I dont know how they block it but they do.

    But that is easy to get round, just use a proxy server.

    once again the UK pays for the world.

  224. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 27, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    Verity
    October 27th, 2013 – 12:25
    Apart from the wretched one-sided marxist propaganda, the BBC seems filled with perverts and paedophiles. Never, since the worst days before the Fall of Rome, have so many been followers of extreme perversion and decadence! (Well slight hyperbole but couldn’t resist it) Seriously, they are a den of iniquity, starting from Jimmy Saville and down to his chauffeur and onwards.

  225. David Ossitt says:
    October 27, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    Frank P
    October 27th, 2013 – 08:01

    I third it.

  226. Verity says:
    October 27, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    AWK – I wonder if it started before they began an institutionalised cover-up for Jimmy Saville, and continued to employ him? I wonder when the political corruption of the BBC began. For example, knowing what they did about Saville, why did they continue to employ him? Even if they were reluctant to report this paedophile and rapist, couldn’t they have sacked him? Instead, they continued to provide cover and respectability.

    This is passing odd.

  227. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 27, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    Alexsandr, IP addresses can generally be associated with geography so it is possible to code things with a fair assumption of locality.

  228. Verity says:
    October 27, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    And the parents of the abused little girls were continuing to support his lifestyle and status with their licence fees … Truly perverted, the lot of them. Why would anyone give refuge and provide cover for a child abuser??

  229. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 27, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    Verity, I think most of Saviles alleged victims were teenage girls and often groupies. It may be that many others did not want the groupie culture put under the spotlight. Why have most bands from the 60s onwards not been investigated? Were all girls over 16 and were none of them drunk or drugged?

  230. Verity says:
    October 27, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    You make a good point, P from M.

  231. Verity says:
    October 27, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    Is it OK to call the storm by a Christian name? St Jude? Couldn’t this offend moslems? And doesn’t Jude mean Jew in Yiddish?

  232. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 27, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    Verity
    October 27th, 2013 – 14:50
    Yes, Jude is a Jew in Yiddish.
    As you know, St. Jude is the Patron Saint of Lost Causes, of which there are many!

  233. Verity says:
    October 27, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    Has anyone at the BBC grovelled to the moslems yet, for the naming of the storm after a Jewish saint?

  234. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 27, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    Peter from Maidstone
    October 27th, 2013 – 14:31
    This is a horrible subject, but must just mention that Harriet Harman has a lot to answer for. Perhaps we should bring on St Jude – Harman is surely a lost soul.

  235. Alexsandr says:
    October 27, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    Peter from Maidstone@October 27th, 2013 – 14:26

    ip addresses are rubbish. they are assigned by the isp at their main servers. Orange serve their Europe (incl UK) customers from German so Orange customers always are shown as being in Germany.
    and people accessing visa the mobile network – well its even more random.

  236. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 27, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    Alex, it depends. I’m on cable and my IP address is very local. But I usually use a proxy anyhow.

    Anonymox is a good Firefox plugin.

    H/T Malfleur

  237. Alexsandr says:
    October 27, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    last client if i accessed Google via their network it had me in the US!

  238. Radford NG says:
    October 27, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    Re. mine,Sat 26 at 15-23 : The Telegraph item on immigration got 2771 comments [and 14 Gold Stars] before comments were closed at about 7pm BST,Saturday.

  239. David Ossitt says:
    October 27, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    Peter from Maidstone October 27th, 2013 – 14:31

    “Verity, I think most of Saviles alleged victims were teenage girls and often groupies.”

    Hello Peter, it is my belief that Saville was an extremely sly individual who for decades was able to hide those aspects of his character that have caused such an uproar since his death.

    He was for a number of years the manager of the Leeds Mecca Locarno Ballroom that was situated half way down the County Arcade directly opposite to the Cross Arcade, my wife and I frequented the Mecca together during our early courtship and before that, in common with much of the youth of Leeds would visit each and every lunch time during our mid-day breaks, to dance to music from records (no such thing as a Disco in those days).

    What I am getting at is that we never ever witnessed anything odd in his behaviour; in fact had we been asked I suspect that most of us thought that he was a homosexual, this was born out by the fact that he had his hair done weekly at the top Leeds Ladies Hairdresser each week, I think that it was called ‘Muriel Smith’s’, I well remember him having it died in a Tartan Pattern.

    This and the fact that he could often be seen out with just his mother (he always called her Princess or was it The Duchess) my beloved and I used to frequent an Italian ‘Mama and Papa’ restaurant called I think the ‘Blue Lagoon’ this was well before Italian restaurants became as common as they are today and we saw him with her on a number of occasions.

    Later in life a cousin of mine exchanged a flat with Saville, they both were living in the same block of flats overlooking Roundhay Park and for some reason they switched one for the other, the point that I am making is that my cousin (now dead unfortunately) was an extremely wealthy man who had many fine virtues but he was a man who hated with an angry venom to use his word ‘nonce’s’, to get past my cousins nonce-radar was no mean feat.

  240. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 27, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    David, thanks for the insight. I can understand entirely what you mean about the skill with which Savile may well have deceived many people. I can’t help also thinking that some of the claims made about him are opportunistic. On the other hand I have read enough accounts of the lifestyles of various rock musicians to wonder why they have not been investigated.

  241. Noa says:
    October 27, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    Islam needs leibensraum:

    http://sultanknish.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/the-desert-of-islamization.html

  242. Fergus Pickering says:
    October 27, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    Ode to Frank by Frank P

    Artful Jack
    Kills titans,
    Opens a single great wound,
    A grotesque nostril
    In the flesh-base of a chimney,
    Turns on the slow
    Brick-red chute.
    Death by nosebleed.

    Smoky capped forest of childhood,
    Resistant to acid rain,
    Now mortality is underlined,
    One church, a mill,
    A terraced row —

    Who’ll grieve for thee, old lady?

    Dumb suffering Victorian,
    Fallen Queen,
    Too proud to ask
    Where demand was your right,
    Some greater respect.

  243. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 27, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    Verity@15:24
    Saudi Sheikh Saleh bin Saad al-Luhaydan says that women should not be permitted to drive cars because driving hurts a woman’s pelvis and ovaries, thus causing children with birth defects.
    No doubt the moslems will see Storm Jude as a Jewish conspiracy.

  244. Alexsandr says:
    October 27, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    oops for channel 4
    http://www.trendingcentral.com/channel-4-fails-to-disclose-islamist-connections-of-niqab-debate-guests/

  245. Frank Sutton says:
    October 27, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    E.J. Thribb (18:15) – Could do better.

  246. David Ossitt says:
    October 27, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    Fergus Pickering
    October 27th, 2013 – 18:15

    Oh do please give it a rest Fergus you are almost, no you are as bad as William Topaz McGonagall.

    Stop it.

  247. Verity says:
    October 27, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    Astute piece by Sultan Knish:

    http://sultanknish.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/the-desert-of-islamization.html

  248. Fergus Pickering says:
    October 27, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    And since Christmas is coming

    A Christmas Carol

    Welcome, sweet Christmas, blest be the morn
    That Christ our Saviour was born!
    Earth’s Redeemer, to save us from all danger,
    And, as the Holy Record tells, born in a manger.

    Chorus —

    Then ring, ring, Christmas bells,
    Till your sweet music o’er the kingdom swells,
    To warn the people to respect the morn
    That Christ their Saviour was born.

    The snow was on the ground when Christ was born,
    And the Virgin Mary His mother felt very forlorn
    As she lay in a horse’s stall at a roadside inn,
    Till Christ our Saviour was born to free us from sin.

    Oh! think of the Virgin Mary as she lay
    In a lowly stable on a bed of hay,
    And angels watching O’er her till Christ was born,
    Therefore all the people should respect Christmas morn.

    The way to respect Christmas time
    Is not by drinking whisky or wine,
    But to sing praises to God on Christmas morn,
    The time that Jesus Christ His Son was born;

    Whom He sent into the world to save sinners from hell
    And by believing in Him in heaven we’ll dwell;
    Then blest be the morn that Christ was born,
    Who can save us from hell, death, and scorn.

    Then he warned, and respect the Saviour dear,
    And treat with less respect the New Year,
    And respect always the blessed morn
    That Christ our Saviour was born.

    For each new morn to the Christian is dear,
    As well as the morn of the New Year,
    And he thanks God for the light of each new morn.
    Especially the morn that Christ was born.

    Therefore, good people, be warned in time,
    And on Christmas morn don’t get drunk with wine
    But praise God above on Christmas morn,
    Who sent His Son to save us from hell and scorn.

    There the heavenly babe He lay
    In a stall among a lot of hay,
    While the Angel Host by Bethlehem
    Sang a beautiful and heavenly anthem.

    Christmas time ought to be held most dear,
    Much more so than the New Year,
    Because that’s the time that Christ was born,
    Therefore respect Christmas morn.

    And let the rich be kind to the poor,
    And think of the hardships they do endure,
    Who are neither clothed nor fed,
    And Many without a blanket to their bed.

    William Topaz McGonagall

  249. Baron says:
    October 27, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    Peter from Maidstone @ 17:20

    What Baron finds astounding, Peter, isn’t so much what the pervert did, there have been men like him in every society. What astounds is the many who knew, or strongly suspected waht he did, but kept shtum.

    Baron reckons that’s why we never get to the bottom of it, many of those who knew are today in positions of influence, will kill, or at least dilute his crime. The witch hun that has already begun will turn the guy into one of many. Sad, this, because most of his victims were the most vulnerable members of our society.

  250. Baron says:
    October 27, 2013 at 8:27 pm

    Fergus, what’s wrong with you, young man, you sure you don’t need to see a GP?

  251. Alexsandr says:
    October 27, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    Hope posters down south are OK in tonight’s storm.

    Looks like the midlands will get away with it mostly.

  252. Baron says:
    October 27, 2013 at 8:40 pm

    Verity @ 19:10

    Powerful stuff, the piece by Sultan. Baron liked in particular the bit where he says “that is the difference between Mark, the Mormon taxi driver who refuses to drink alcohol and Mohammed, the Muslim taxi driver who refuses to drive a passenger carrying alcohol.”

    Few short sentences encapsulate, in a way that’s easily memorised, the essence of the creed. Clever guy but, dressed in his devil’s advocate coat, Baron would ask you to substitute Islam for Communism. It will mostly fit, too the argument advanced by Sultan. In fact, it must fit it because Sultan refers to communism, equates it both with fascism and Islam.

    The question then is ‘how come that either fascism or communism no longer frighten us, how come both creeds at least in their extreme form have been defeated, the former on the battlefields, the other just collapsed.

    Any answers anyone?

  253. Baron says:
    October 27, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    David Ossitt 17:09

    Obviously, David, the cousin of yours wasn’t a vulnerable underage girl or boy. He was also lucky Sir Jimmy wasn’t around when he (your cousin) died, the man had a penchant for dead bodies, propensity to indulge himself when these were around.

  254. Baron says:
    October 27, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    Alexsandr @ 20:29

    So far, and it’s getting close to 21.00 hours, there is no sign of anything that would scare the barbarian. We shall see if the night brings in something more powerful to cause havoc in High Suffolk.

  255. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 27, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    Baron, I don’t think I agree that communism has been defeated. It has become even more virulent by adopting less obviously violent methods, but it is in fact even more harmful and destructive to us all. And it has made much greater progress because people are not quite yet being rounded up on the streets – unless you are a Christian street preacher.

    Are many British people any less self-enslaved than those under the direct and brutal rule of Stalin?

  256. Verity says:
    October 27, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    AWK 18:23 — But of course! What else!

    P from M 20:52 – I agree with the question in your last line.

    BTW, Baron, the islamic taxi drivers — at least in Minneapolis (I think it was) were forced to accept people carrying alcohol as fares. That was about, I think, at least five years ago. Unless Minnesota has changed its mind during those ensuing five years, the muzzies are obliged by law to accept a fare bearing alcohol.

    People who had been refused as fares at the airport had complained to the airport and the government, and they won.

  257. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 27, 2013 at 9:30 pm

    I’m still trying to think of the right name for this open commenting website idea. Any more suggestions would be gratefully received. If you know how to check domain name availability that would be helpful as well.

  258. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 27, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    Baron
    October 27th, 2013 – 20:50
    Maybe Cameron is controlling the storm and has arranged one of his U-turns.

  259. IRISHBOY says:
    October 27, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    PfM – 21.30

    What about “Comments are not closed (yet)”?

  260. Verity says:
    October 27, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    AWK – Ha ha ha ha ha! V good!!

  261. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 27, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    Irish….good for a strapline but too long for a domain name.

  262. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 27, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    Verity
    October 27th, 2013 – 22:34
    Verity, I’m glad I made you laugh. :=)

  263. RobertC says:
    October 27, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    PfM – 21.30

    CommentsExtra

    CommentOverflow

    Diverted Comets

  264. Baron says:
    October 27, 2013 at 11:05 pm

    Peter from Maidstone @ 21:30

    Open all hours?

  265. Verity says:
    October 27, 2013 at 11:16 pm

    P from M – Baron’s suggestion is good.

  266. David Ossitt says:
    October 27, 2013 at 11:28 pm

    Peter from Maidstone October 27th, 2013 – 21:30

    “I’m still trying to think of the right name for this open commenting website idea.”

    How about “We’re not hacked off, now or ever.”

  267. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 27, 2013 at 11:33 pm

    Lol. All good strap lines but all too long for domain names. And they need to be available with a good suffix like .net or maybe .co.uk

  268. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 27, 2013 at 11:41 pm

    Symposium.co.uk

  269. Baron says:
    October 27, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    Lockereborn.com or just Locke.com
    Uncensored.com
    24/7.com

  270. Verity says:
    October 27, 2013 at 11:51 pm

    P from M How about shortening David Ossitt’s suggestion above to HackedOff.com

  271. Baron says:
    October 27, 2013 at 11:52 pm

    Midnight’s upon Baron’s abode, and the weather as calm as it gets this time of the year. Has anyone seen an 80miles wind wondering around somewhere?

  272. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 28, 2013 at 12:08 am

    Baron
    October 27th, 2013 – 23:52
    Midnight’s upon Baron’s abode, and the weather as calm as it gets this time of the year. Has anyone seen an 80miles wind wondering around somewhere?
    ONLY IF THEY GOT TO THE BAKED BEANS!

  273. Frank Sutton says:
    October 28, 2013 at 12:11 am

    Baron – 8 minutes to Midnight: Calm all evening round here (just north of London) but rain relentless since abt 8.30pm. Still waiting for that hurricane!

  274. Alexsandr says:
    October 28, 2013 at 6:57 am

    Peter from Maidstone@October 27th, 2013 – 22:34

    CoffeeHouseWall Open comments

    Nowt like building on an established brand.

  275. Alexsandr says:
    October 28, 2013 at 8:59 am

    Well no hurricane here. Bit of wet stuff but no flood warnings in the midlands (A few flood alerts) And roads are open. I have just driven 50 odd miles across country.

    But BBC in full panic mode. One would think the whole of he UK north of Watford didn’t exist.

  276. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 28, 2013 at 9:03 am

    I’m driving round West Kent at the moment and no problems here. I saw one small branch down but it wasn’t blocking a road or anything. My fence panels are rickety but none of them are down either. Wind woke me up at 4:30 but local weather stations were showing only 35 kph winds.

  277. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 28, 2013 at 9:45 am

    All the open comment(s) variant domain names are taken.

    I’m still looking for something that is suitable and available.

    Hackedoff is a well known anti free speech organisation so their name can’t really be used.

  278. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 28, 2013 at 10:03 am

    A crane has collapsed on to the roof of the Cabinet Office during high winds in central London.

  279. Baron says:
    October 28, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Anne Wotana Kaye at 00:08

    So simple, so unexpected by the barbarian anyway), and so effective. Baron read it around 2AM, not because he was waiting for the Armageddon, he cannot sleep, and nearly burst his stomach from the tsunami of laughter (and withoutout the help of the Heinz stuff). Your retort nicely complimented the tension, yes, that must have been it.

  280. Baron says:
    October 28, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Damage report:

    An old crackling willow lost a branch, another, an even older one, snapped in the middle. Compared to previous storms not too much to worry about, but let’s enjoy the misfortune of others the BBC will be telling us about.

  281. Baron says:
    October 28, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Anne Wotana Kaye 1 at 10:03

    AWK: “A crane has collapsed on to the roof of the Cabinet Office during high winds in central London”.

    But luck wasn’t on our side, or we would have heard it by now.

  282. Frank P says:
    October 28, 2013 at 11:24 am

    It rained in Norfolk last night. Now the sun is shining.

    Then I read this and the metaphorical, rather than meteorological, storm clouds gathered:

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4036/eu-intolerant-citizens

    Get ready for monitoring folks – ‘they’ ‘ll have a whole section devoted to this blog. 🙂

  283. Frank P says:
    October 28, 2013 at 11:34 am

    … and Alexander Boot weighs in with a different but not unconnected piece of whimsy:

    http://alexanderboot.com/content/anti-immigration-vans-inflame-murderous-tory-xenophobe

    Irony squared!

  284. Frank P says:
    October 28, 2013 at 11:37 am

    AWK/Baron

    🙂

  285. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 28, 2013 at 11:58 am

    Frank P
    October 28th, 2013 – 11:24

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4036/eu-intolerant-citizens
    Get ready for monitoring folks – ‘they’ ‘ll have a whole section devoted to this blog. 🙂
    =================
    Good day, Frank,
    For once I’m being serious. This is not funny, it’s complete dictatorship in the name of tolerance. Soon it will come to “Turn your eyes to the wall as the gentlemen go by” or rather, “Turn your brains off, as the Thought Police goose step by.”

  286. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 28, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    I could go with http://www.open-comment.net or http://www.open-comment.co.uk or http://www.open-comment.com

    Does this still sound like an OK idea?

  287. Baron says:
    October 28, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    Peter from Maidstone @ 12:24

    works with Baron, Peter. It’s short, easily remembered. If it isn’t costly you should register all tthree domains.

    Still, you intend to run it without any filtering whatever? Or is it just to capture the overspill from others who close the comment section?

  288. Baron says:
    October 28, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    Frank P at 11:24

    Scary stuff, Frank, and their definition of intolerance allows any interpretation the tossers choose to go for.

    We should scrap every piece of legislation that originated in Brusssels, go back to law making as we knew it. Baron holds against Blair the import of the alien law making even more than the Iraqi invasion. The wounds of the latter will heal after time, with the former we’re stuck, unless Nigel and his lot prevail.

  289. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 28, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    Peter from Maidstone
    October 28th, 2013 – 12:24
    I could go with http://www.open-comment.net or http://www.open-comment.co.uk or http://www.open-comment.com
    ==============
    Great! I think open-comment.com is the best. The one with ‘uk’ in it, I feel doesn’t inform that we also have the opinions of many posters who live overseas.

  290. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 28, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    Baron, thanks for the response. I think that I would need to manage it with some sort of reporting of offensive comments, and up and down ticking of comments to be able to keep an eye on the posts people thought genuinely unsuitable but I think the intent would be to moderate only in extremis, as here on CHW. The intent would not be to reproduce the CHW, but to provide an open platform for commenting on selected articles from the MSM where commenting was closed on the newspaper sites. The articles would be selected as a matter of praticality but the intent would be that all important articles which were closed elsewhere would have a place on this projected site. Celebrity trivia would not be represented for instance.

    If I look at the DT Politics News there are lots of articles with no comments, and of course this is reproduced on other newspaper sites.

    I agree about registering all three names.

    The real effort will be in building a customer base who get used to immediately visiting http://www.open-comment.com when they find they can’t comment elsewhere.

  291. Baron says:
    October 28, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Peter from Maidstone at 12:46

    Why don’t you drop a line to the likes of DT, DM, tell them you will take over when they cut off, then ask to have the domain listed alongside ‘the comments are now closed’ so that those who still want to comment can.

    Baron suspects what the answer may be but ‘nothing ventured, nothing gained’.

  292. Verity says:
    October 28, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    Baron – “… but luck wasn’t on our side” !!! V good!

    P from M – Would Bluepencil.com be too arcane?

  293. Baron says:
    October 28, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    Frank P @ 11:34

    The guy writes well and courageously. In the piece you’re referring to the last but one para puzzles Baron.

    Boot: “So he’s got to be right. Any campaign against illegal immigration is guaranteed to have only one possible result. Lithuanians will start murdering Italians en masse, and then woe betide all those French people in Fulham – the Poles and the Czechs know where they live”.

    Could anyone explain the role of the Czechs and Poles? Are they in any way involved in the murder of the Italian? Have Baron missed it? Or were they in the past mixed up in other murders? Or is it just a dig at everyone coming from here from the East of Elbe?

  294. Verity says:
    October 28, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    Or how about Parliament’s postcode? SW1A 0AA.com ? Too twee?
    Feedingtrough.net Troughers.com Snoutsintrough.com (Everyone would know to whom the word applied.)

  295. Alexsandr says:
    October 28, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    Peter from Maidstone@October 28th, 2013 – 12:46

    check out the legal situation. I think if you allow any defamatory post to stay up you could be liable for damages.

  296. Verity says:
    October 28, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    Or how about Parliament’s postcode? Feedingtrough.net Troughers.com Snoutsintrough.com (Everyone would know to whom the word applied.)

    Or how about BigBen.net ???

  297. Verity says:
    October 28, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    Sorry for the duplicate. I forgot I had hit Send before I went to make my second cup of tea.

  298. Verity says:
    October 28, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    P from M – If you wanted to link to freedom-loving Texan Wild Bill, it’s
    http://wildbillforamerica.com/

  299. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 28, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    Alexsandr, I think the legal situation is the same as here. Are the things said here defamations? If someone said any politician was a liar would they go to court over it?

    I am going to adopt the very detailed advice here…

    http://www.out-law.com/en/topics/commercial/advertising-and-marketing/moderation-liability-and-terms-of-use/

    If you wanted to look at it I would also value your, and any one else’s opinion.

  300. Verity says:
    October 28, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    PS – Wild Bill bills himself as “Our God And Country Commentator” – so that’s a pretty large land grab right there.

  301. Alexsandr says:
    October 28, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    Peter

    http://www.scl.org/site.aspx?i=ne33594

    Sorry

  302. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 28, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    If you read the whole detail that is not too concerning. The site did not manage threatening posts in a timely fashion and did not require any registration to post comments so commentators could not be identified.

    I think it more important to ask which blogs or forums in the UK have been prosecuted for the comments of their users when they have taken steps to mitigate illegal material. Do we know of such?

  303. postergirl says:
    October 28, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    Peter
    Open-Comment.com sounds good – says exactly what it is.

  304. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 28, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    If anyone has time, this appeal court judgement about a blog post is very interesting and important and considers Google, in this case, only potentially liable when informed of the accusation of defamation, and not liable if action is taken quickly to remove and/or process the post in question.

  305. David Ossitt says:
    October 28, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    Postergirl October 28th, 2013 – 14:29

    “Peter Open-Comment.com sounds good – says exactly what it is.”

    Sounds good to me or if you have the space Open-Free-Comment.

  306. Verity says:
    October 28, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    David Ossitt: Poster Girl’s suggestion above – Open-Comment.com – does not say “exactly what it is”. It is nebulous and universal and much too imprecise.

  307. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 28, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    Verity, et al. I am going with http://www.open-comment.com as it seems to describe what the site will be for, which is to allow comment on posts that the other sites close down.

  308. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 28, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    Peter from Maidstone
    October 28th, 2013 – 15:59
    Great!

  309. IRISHBOY says:
    October 28, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    PfM re: open-comment.com

    A great idea Peter, and with the regulars here dropping its name into posts on other sites I think it may have a huge following perhaps then allowing you to develop things on this site in the way you’ve mentioned in the past. People get really mad at the Comments are Closed carry-on on the DT, especially when our very existence is in such serious question.

  310. Verity says:
    October 28, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    Does anyone here subscribe to The Telegraph? There’s a video on the far right side of the page of an Arab in a keffiyah singing “No Woman No Drive” and apparently it’s gone viral.

    Can anyone post it here without the paywall?

  311. RobertC says:
    October 28, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Verity – 16:53 ‘No Woman, No Drive’

    “Though no specific Saudi law bans women from driving in the country, women are not issued licenses.”

    So they have a gsoh!

  312. Verity says:
    October 28, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    Found it! No wonder it’s gone viral. It is women tuning in to watch this man sing!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZMbTFNp4wI

  313. Frank P says:
    October 28, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    Can someone comment from the DT or DM websites about why they ‘close comments’. Is it because they wish to censor comments on grounds of politics, defamation, obscenity, or reasons that would render the publishers liable to ‘hate crime’ or other criminal liability visits? Remember they have legal beagles monitoring their output and that may be a factor (as Alexandr has already mooted). Discretion is the better part of valour, Peter.

    At the moment, quite a lot gets through here that might not on one of the proprietary sites. If you thwart their ideological intent persistently ‘the enemy’ may draw the attention of the though police by complaint to this site, which is how they scuppered Melanie’s blog on the Speccie, remember. It’s a question of balance, perhaps.

    Is it that some hot topics cause clog up of the system from just just sheer volume and therefore make the thread unworkable (who wants to plough through two tons of pig-shit to find the pearls that have been cast before the swine)? Is there a lurker here from the ‘inside’ of one of the busy blogs who could offer an opinion.

    If I were you I would engage in a little research to ensure that you’re not just shipping aboard rejected trolls from other sites. I doubt they deliberately stifle ‘footfalls’ without a good logistical reason, being the avaricious bastards that they are, surely the more controversy the better from their p.o.v. ?

    The other thing – why create yet another blog? Can’t we just link the thread here from wherever – and invite further comment anyway?

    Regular Wallsters here link various websites – such as A Boot; Melanie P; Mark Steyn and various others who don’t have comment boxes. This rarely engenders commentary other than a remark or two of approbation (or otherwise if dissent is appropriate).

    How about experimenting with a proforma off-topic note on the next open thread of the offending blogsite to the effect that ‘discussion of the issues on the such-and-such ‘closed comments’ thread is continuing on the CoffeeHouseWall.co.uk’ for those who may feel thwarted.”

    You could then set up a side bar on this blog to delineate the closed threads that you think should not have been for reasons of pure political bias (or ‘political correctness). I wouldn’t think there is a copyright issue in inviting further comment to a closed thread of another blog, but it might be worth getting advice on that score, tohhhho.

    Just sayin’ Peter: wouldn’t want you to import problems from other sites and make a rod for your own back. It’s your arse on the line as the blogmeister and we all push our luck from time to time as it is. Moreover the expense and time involved in creating a new blog as merely a siphon for the slush from other blogs might not be a cost effective exercise, particularly when you can achieve the same effect hereupon.perhaps. Posters here could issue a ‘CLOSED COMMENTS ALERT’ and you could then adjudicate on whether it’s worth pursuing on a side bar thread here?

  314. Verity says:
    October 28, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    Frank – Well-posted, that man!

  315. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 28, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    Frank, I am willing to do what is necessary, or what seems necessary. I believe that it is necessary to extend free speech as almost the most important thing. I don’t see that lots of comments on DT threads are slush. There seems to be lots of good comment. People are often complaining that they cannot respond to topics. If we never do anything in case there are consequences then we are already defeated. I shall have to take various advice, but I believe that many threads have no comments on various sites because those controlling those sites do not want certain discussions and ways of thinking to be allowed. The Spectator got rid of MP for the same reason that the DT doesn’t allow discussion of lots of topics. They are owned, after all, by the same people.

    I am trying not to overwhelm the CHW site with lots of other functions as you, among others, have expressed the opinion in the past that even having blog posts detracts from what you want from the site. Adding lots of other threads will certainly dilute the wall, and so it seems sensible and reasonable to establish something else.

  316. Verity says:
    October 28, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    Frank – Well-posted, that man! Getting rid of Melanie P was cowardly and shameful.

  317. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 28, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    Verity, if it was cowardly then surely we should oppose all efforts to silence the British population and provide opportunities for them to speak? There may be risk, but is it not necessary now to take measured risks?

  318. Verity says:
    October 28, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    P from M – Of course we should oppose all efforts to silence the British, and others, except in cases of slander/libel. But that doesn’t mean any of us is obliged to put out the welcome mat.

  319. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 28, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    I don’t know what you mean by ‘the welcome mat’?

  320. David Ossitt says:
    October 28, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    Verity.

    Try clicking on this below, I found it by Googling the words Youtubeno womanno drive.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24709179

  321. Radford NG says:
    October 28, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    There is a documentary on BBC One tonight [10-35] called “Quitting the EDL when Tommy met Mo……(Who is this Maureen woman I wondered;but it’s Mohammed Ansar.) All the publicity implies that Tommy Robinson was converted over 18 months by Ansar….but T.R. hasn’t been allowed on any of the promo. items for this,although Ansar has.Interviews elsewhere have apparently been cancelled because Ansar refuses to appear on the same programme as Robinson who looks as if he may have been stitched-up by the BBC…….Ansar is under police protection having been put on the al-Shabar death list;but T.R. [and his family] have been offered no protection since the Beds. police woke him at 3am two weeks ago to give him an Osman warning.

  322. Alexsandr says:
    October 28, 2013 at 7:00 pm

    PofM re comment site.

    Maybe you need to find people to help with the moderation. There is a limit to what 1 man can do, and what about when you are sunning yourself in teneriffe?

  323. Verity says:
    October 28, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    I mean that no one is obliged to provide them with a platform. The Telegraph, the Speccie and other print media, set their own limits, as is their right. We might disagree, in some instances (to be precise, the Speccie sacking Melanie), but, in a free country, it was their right.

    (In fact, we don’t even know if Melanie was actually sacked, or whether The Speccie had invited her to be less direct, and she refused.)

  324. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 28, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    Alexsandr, yes I agree entirely. I am happy to throw my energies and abilities into various projects that I believe might make a small difference, but to become established and fruitful everything needs wider support, such as the comments here on CHW which draw thousands of visitors.

    When I get this new site coded up I will start slowly and work out the processes for handling moderation in conversation with those who have experience on major sites.

    When I am on holiday or travelling anywhere I tend to always be busy accessing the CHW site and tend to do moderation of new commenters and spammers wherever I am as long as I have a charge on my phone and access to the internet.

  325. David Ossitt says:
    October 28, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    Frank P October 28th, 2013 – 17:48

    “tohhhho.”

    Frank sometimes my grey cells translate your abbreviations almost immediately and sometimes I have to excogitate and ponder for a little while, but ‘tohhhho’ has me beat.

    Please what is it?

  326. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 28, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    Re: Melanie Phillips…

    Melanie Phillips claims that she resigned from The Spectator because it published an apology for one of her blog items.

    She writes – on her own blog – that the apology “misrepresented my post” and has given rise to “false assumptions.”

    From the MSM sites

  327. Frank P says:
    October 28, 2013 at 8:39 pm

    Peter

    Re Melanie’s exit: the apology was the last straw. There was an accumulation of several hundreds of thousands of £ shaped straws floated in the content of shyster’s bills’ to the Speccie that resulted from a sustained campaign from you know who to silence Melanie’s exposure of Islamic and leftist infiltration. That’s what you are up against. But it’s your arse chum – so if you have a haystack available to feed the insatiable appetites of the legal beagles, drop your kecks and clench your buttocks!

    🙂

  328. Frank P says:
    October 28, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    David Ossitt (19:11)

    Hahaha …. No acronym: for some unknown reason, four aspirations insinuated themselves between the first o of ‘too’ and the second one, when the comment appeared. Looked perfect when it left my end. Must be a heavy breather monitoring the site. 🙂

  329. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 28, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    Or else what Frank? What do you suggest anyone does?

  330. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 28, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    Its a matter of law that the liability for comments is not the same as for a blog or especially a paid for article. I do not think there is the risk you paint so bleakly. And I’d rather take a risk for the sake of England.

  331. RobertC says:
    October 28, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    I have just stuck the following post under this article:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10409062/Britain-must-say-no-to-eastern-European-workers-says-Cameron.html

    Yet another ‘No Comments’ article with the headline:
    “Britain must say ‘no’ to eastern European workers, says Cameron”

    Why doesn’t Cameron ask the Prime Minister to do something about it, like change the law, so we can discriminate?

    Brown found out that the EU was stopping us looking after our own, so why are we still in the same situation?

  332. Frank P says:
    October 28, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    “I’d rather take a risk for the sake of England.”

    That’s the stuff, Capt. Mainwairing, they don’t like it up ’em! 🙂

  333. Noa says:
    October 28, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    Some anagrams:

    PRESBYTERIAN:
    When you rearrange the letters:
    BEST IN PRAYER

    ASTRONOMER:
    When you rearrange the letters:
    MOON STARER

    DESPERATION:
    When you rearrange the letters:
    A ROPE ENDS IT

    THE EYES:
    When you rearrange the letters:
    THEY SEE

    GEORGE BUSH:
    When you rearrange the letters:
    HE BUGS GORE

    THE MORSE CODE:
    When you rearrange the letters:
    HERE COME DOTS

    DORMITORY:
    When you rearrange the letters:
    DIRTY ROOM

    SLOT MACHINES:
    When you rearrange the letters:
    CASH LOST IN ME

    ANIMOSITY:
    When you rearrange the letters:
    IS NO AMITY

    ELECTION RESULTS:
    When you rearrange the letters:
    LIES – LET’S RECOUNT

    SNOOZE ALARMS:
    When you rearrange the letters:
    ALAS! NO MORE Z ‘S

    A DECIMAL POINT:
    When you rearrange the letters:
    I’M A DOT IN PLACE

    THE EARTHQUAKES:
    When you rearrange the letters:
    THAT QUEER SHAKE

    ELEVEN PLUS TWO:
    When you rearrange the letters:
    TWELVE PLUS ONE

    MOTHER-IN-LAW:
    When you rearrange the letters:
    WOMAN HITLER

    AND FINALLY….

    PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA
    When you rearrange the letters:
    An Arab Backed Imposter”

  334. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 28, 2013 at 11:32 pm

    I don’t see any shame in aspiring to be even Captain Mainwaring. We need more like him, and all the rest of the cast.

  335. Herbert Thornton says:
    October 29, 2013 at 12:06 am

    RobertC
    October 28th, 2013 – 21:37

    Thanks for drawing attention to Cameron’s claim to be against immigration from eastern Europe.

    Whether he really is against it or is only pretending to be against it seems to me to be of very little importance compared with the far greater issue of Islamic immigration. All the eastern Europeans that I’ve had much to do with have been entirely civilised.

    I believe that Cameron’s main aim was to create a smoke screen that he hopes will divert attention from the steadily increasing catastrophic consequences of welcoming Islamic immigration.

    Given the choice of living in even a faded Christendom and on the other hand living in a Caliphate, surely it should be obvious which of the two deserves to be the choice of any civilised person?

  336. Frank P says:
    October 29, 2013 at 12:19 am

    Peter

    Quite right. Trouble is Private Pike has become Deputy Prime Minister.
    ‘Don’t tell him your name, Clegg!’

  337. Frank P says:
    October 29, 2013 at 12:25 am

    I inadvertantly caught the last ten minutes of the Tommy Robinson show this evening.

    FFS!

  338. Verity says:
    October 29, 2013 at 12:45 am

    Noa – Wow! Thank you! Amazing!

    Frank P – Who’s Tommy Robinson?

    Herbert Thornton – How nice to hear from you! Yesterday, I was thinking of writing a post asking “Where is Herbert Thornton?” And here you are!

    Anyway, re Shamoron, yes, he’s slippery … but not very clever. In other words, an ideal puppet.

  339. Frank P says:
    October 29, 2013 at 12:51 am

    Verity

    “Who’s Tommy Robinson?”
    Exactly! 😉

  340. Verity says:
    October 29, 2013 at 2:50 am

    That triumphant smirk does not become you, Frank P!

    I don’t understand the allusion. Is it “Tommy This and Tommy that and Tommy, where’s your gun”?

  341. Radford NG says:
    October 29, 2013 at 2:53 am

    Verity at 00-45 : Tommy Robinson;founder of the English Defence League.I have not seen the BBC documentary,but you would probably do better reading the transcript of his interview on Russia Today. SEE http://www.rt.com/shows/sophieco/immigration-issue%20-eu-fascism-711/

  342. Verity says:
    October 29, 2013 at 2:54 am

    Radford NG – Thank you. I will go thence!

  343. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 29, 2013 at 3:35 am

    Interesting article on the BBC web:
    Prime Minister David Cameron is set to announce that the UK will become the first non-Muslim country to issue an Islamic bond.

    At the World Islamic Economic Forum (WEIF) in London, he will also announce plans for a new Islamic index on the London Stock Exchange.
    ==========
    At least now we know why there are no prosecutions for FGM!

  344. Herbert Thornton says:
    October 29, 2013 at 5:31 am

    Anne Wotana Kaye 1
    October 29th, 2013 – 03:35

    Cameron is trying to ingratiate himself with the world’s Mohammedans.

    He makes decent people feel sick.

  345. Verity says:
    October 29, 2013 at 5:41 am

    Having read Radford NG’s link, I would say that that is a very interesting interview.

  346. David Ossitt says:
    October 29, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Verity.

    “Who is Tommy Robinson exactly?”

    Hello Verity, Tommy Robinson-AKA-Stephen Lennon was the Co-founder (with his cousin) of The English Defence League ‘EDL’.

    Robinson was born Stephen Christopher Yaxley in Luton to an English father and an Irish mother.

    His mother, who worked at a local bakery, re-married when Stephen was still young to his stepfather, Thomas Lennon.

    He has within the last few weeks resigned as leader and as a member (as has his Cousin) from the EDL.

  347. Noa says:
    October 29, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Whither (or is it wither) the EDL now?

    Probably not.

    http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/end-of-the-party-for-the-edl-no-its-only-the-beginning/

  348. Noa says:
    October 29, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss…

    Why does the Church of England persist in appointing congenital idiots as its leader?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2478582/England-ill-treated-Scots-800-years-says-Archbishop-Justin-Welby-risks-inflaming-independence-debate-comment.html

  349. Peter from Maidstone says:
    October 29, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Noa, Prime Ministers only want to appoint Archbishops who are left leaning and awkward. Why would they appoint someone who might make a difference?

  350. dg says:
    October 29, 2013 at 11:16 am

    “The great irony in all this is that the primary victim of cultural Marxism in this country has been our urban black community. As late as the 1950s, it was a safe, decent place. In the 1950s, 80% of black shoolchildren came home to a married mother and father. Then the Marxists’ cultural revolution hit in the 1960s, and the urban black culture collapsed. White college students said “Do your own thing” and “If it feels good, do it,” then went on to get their MBAs and law degrees, get married and raise middle class families. In the ghetto, they just kept on doing it. The result is there for all to see, in a black urban culture of instant gratification that has brought endless degradation with it, as instant gratification always must. The cultural Marxists did America’s blacks more damage than Simon Legree could ever have imagined.”

    https://www.traditionalright.com/two-new-martyrs/

  351. Alexsandr says:
    October 29, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Speccie has a huge ad that pops up when you roll over the banner for lady gaga
    Cant see many specie readers being fans cab you?

  352. Alexsandr says:
    October 29, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    John Redwood has put the boot in on the HS2 on the specie. Talks sense mostly.
    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/10/do-we-really-need-the-extra-capacity/

  353. Verity says:
    October 29, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    Alexsandr – 11:41 – “Can’t see many specie readers being fans ….”. I can’t imagine any. Can’t imagine any Coffeehouse Wall being even mild fans. I have actually never heard her. All I had to do was look at the name and the outfits.

  354. RobertC says:
    October 29, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    Verity – 12:41 ‘All I had to do was look at the name and the outfits.’

    I am curious: was it enough, or too much?

  355. Verity says:
    October 29, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    W-a-a-a-a-a-y too much!!!-

  356. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 29, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    Peter from Maidstone
    October 29th, 2013 – 11:05
    What would Henry VIII say? 🙂

  357. RobertC says:
    October 29, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    Verity – 13:43 – Thanks for the warning!

  358. RobertC says:
    October 29, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    Another ‘no comments’ article:
    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/oct/28/bbc-coverage-favouring-climate-change-sceptics

    “Earlier this month, the biologist Steve Jones, who reviewed the BBC’s science output in 2011, told the Guardian he was concerned that the BBC was still wedded to an idea of “false balance” in presenting climate sceptics alongside reputable scientists.

    He said: “This goes to the heart of science reporting – you wouldn’t have a homeopath speaking alongside a brain surgeon for balance, as that would be absurd. It’s just as absurd to have a climate sceptic for balance against the work of the overwhelming majority of climate scientists.”

    If I was seeking homeopathic treatment, I would chuck the brain surgeon!

    How does a Professor, studying snails to shed light on biodiversity and genetics, become an expert on Global Warming, apart from very slowly?

  359. Alexsandr says:
    October 29, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    That was the idiot on the radio last week spouting the same carp

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03dvx6j

  360. Verity says:
    October 29, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    And is that carp tired! Take him off the spout and let him swim away in peace!

  361. David Ossitt says:
    October 29, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    Noa October 29th, 2013 – 10:40

    “Whither (or is it wither) the EDL now?”

    Whither they will go, or stay as they are, I expect that they might change, as to whether they will eventually wither and die is anyone’s guess.

  362. David Ossitt says:
    October 29, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    Alexsandr October 29th, 2013 – 12:18

    “John Redwood has put the boot in on the HS2 on the specie. Talks sense mostly.”

    An interesting point Rory Sutherland who writes the bi-weekly column ‘The Wiki Man’ in the Spectator has just given or is about to give a talk and demonstration on how with only a few tweaks and at a cost of only about £30,000 or was it £300,000 the London to Manchester and the London to Leeds rail times could be cut by about 25 minutes.

  363. David Ossitt says:
    October 29, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    PS without the need for HS2

  364. David Ossitt says:
    October 29, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    After my beloved had done her weekly Morrisons shop (I wait and read the paper in the car), we headed for Harrogate for lunch and a bit of early Christmas shopping.

    I was determined to avail myself of the excellent offer on at Marks & Spencer’s Food Hall who are offering an extra 25% off the price of wines (and I think spirits) for purchases in excess of 6 bottles, or that was how I read the offer.

    Be warned; it is not as you might expect, buy over six and get the 25% discount on that amount, no, it is on each half case e.g. 6. 12, 18, 24 etcetera, it is still very good value but I was about to purchase 11 bottles, we were short on time so could not browse any longer and so I asked and was advised buy another bottle, so I quickly shoved a cream sherry (never goes amiss) in the trolley and went to pay.

    Even though I avail myself of similar offers each year I do not actually spend any less, I simply use the opportunity to more expensive buy better quality than I would normally do.

  365. Alexsandr says:
    October 29, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    David Ossitt
    October 29th, 2013 – 16:56

    both the pendolinos on the west coast and and the class 91 and mk 4’s used on the east coast can go at 140mph. But the signallingis designed for stopping from 125mph. But Virgin are saying if the line is straight enough to see 2 signals ahead then why can they do 135 on existing signals. (Boxes that shine coloured lights at the driver) They say that in cab signalling is not needed.
    On the east coast BR developed a flashing green aspect that showed if the next signal was green. If the signal was not flashing then speed had to come down to 125. A simple change

    So we can have higher speeds now.

    but the trains for GW and the replacements for east coast will be 125 so we will have 1970’s speeds for another 40 years.

    Good old DfT again

  366. Fergus Pickering says:
    October 29, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    An Ode to HS2

    Gather ye round for a tale of no good
    For your leaders have lied to you good people of Haywood
    For that beast it will cometh at great speed and great height
    To destroy our fair town and create massive blight.

    It will come like the devil out of the night
    Rumbling on rails creating great fright
    Screaming and rumbling as it races by
    At high noise and with stress like a tornado in the sky

    Our houses our gardens our life and our way
    Are destroyed in a flash as the fools get their way
    We remember our Sundays peaceful no strife
    In our Gardens with children all loving our life

    But the beast doth cometh 250 miles an hour.
    Those quiet Sundays all over with the noise of that power.
    Our children afraid whilst the old they will cower.
    And the faceless men in grey suits will still wear that flower.

    Onwards it travels consuming all that it sees
    Destroying environment all wildlife and trees
    Swallowing up farms houses and land
    Misery and blight as their plan shows its hand

    Hopton and Marston and Colton all pay
    As it races through there to destroy them in its way
    Those beautiful valleys and hills with a view
    Shall have this great beast at high speed hurtling through

    This new rail that has no reason to live
    Given life by our leaders but has nothing to give
    There is no business plan that experts can see
    With no money to build and no reason to be.

    We will give you a say and consult and be lawful
    A high court then rules their actions unfair and unlawful
    An ethical company for the people it may claims
    Whilst it damages our lives and our homes it maims

    A thing for the few at great cost to us all
    £1500 all homes with no benefit to all.
    Politicians galore think it an English Rose
    Without proper learning they are led by the nose

    33 billion they say as they casually tell us the cost
    Whilst hospitals close and education is lost
    We have the money they say yet our nation owes trillions.
    Austerity measures high taxes for millions.

    Our nation in debt as they lose us our credit
    Stars important once and shocked by our debit
    No money we hear for the old and the young
    Education left hanging and hospitals left hung

    No caution we see as we watch their spending lust
    The plight of Spain with Italy and Cypress near bust
    Our reserves spent by Brown our gold now gone with no fright
    Yet 33bn can be found with no pain or no fight

    All alone we still stand this great beast at our door.
    But with all victims we stand we wont take any more.
    To the Staffs CC we sent a letter
    Don’t only meet suits which will make blight no better.

    In disarray now as we have seen through your rattle,
    But we urge you to act, and engage in this battle.
    There’s more you can do so look at the blight
    And join the 18 and use your great might.

    51m are heroes and all 18 are together
    HS2 AA and its lawyers are just as clever
    With Joe Rukin campaigning to Stop HS2
    And AGAHST in the frame to always help too.

    So come join with us now and show us your hand.
    To help stop this folly from destroying your land.
    We can stop HS2 by all legal means.
    We have the moral high ground so to battle it seems.

    Whilst they have more resource and we have none
    We need your help and donation so this train will be gone
    We can then stop our worry and stress on our lives
    And think of the future our parent’s children and wives

  367. John birch says:
    October 29, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    Fergus. 19.40.
    Do you have any other hobbies. ???

  368. Radford NG says:
    October 29, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    Douglas Murray reviews the `Tommy/Mohammed` documentary;and makes a critique of muslem leadership : SEE http://www.blogs.spectator.co.uk/douglas-murray/2013/10/when-tommy-met-mo-revealed-how-far-we-have-to-travel-before-islam-is-uprooted/

  369. Malfleur says:
    October 29, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    From an American friend:

    From Sunday’s 07 Sept. 2008 11:48:04 EST, Televised “Meet the Press”.
    The then Senator Obama was asked about his stance on the American Flag.

    General Bill Gann’ USAF (ret.) asked Obama to explain WHY he doesn’t follow protocol when the National Anthem is played.
    The General stated to Obama that according to the United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171…
    During rendition of the national anthem, when the flag is displayed, all present (except those in uniform) are expected to stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Or, at the very least, “Stand and Face It”.

    Senator Obama replied :
    “As I’ve said about the flag pin, I don’t want to be perceived as taking sides (!).” “There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression…” “The anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all that sort of thing.”

    Obama continued : “The National Anthem should be ‘swapped’ for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song ‘I’d Like To Teach the World To Sing’. If that were our anthem, then, I might salute it. In my opinion, we should consider reinventing our National Anthem as well as ‘redesign’ our Flag to better offer our enemies hope and love. It’s my intention, if elected, to disarm America to the level of acceptance to our Middle East Brethren. If we, as a Nation of warring people, conduct ourselves like the nations of Islam, where peace prevails – – – perhaps a state or period of mutual accord could exist between our governments ….”
    When I Become President, I will seek a pact of agreement to end hostilities between those who have been at war or in a state of enmity, and a freedom from disquieting oppressive thoughts. We as a Nation, have placed upon the nations of Islam, an unfair injustice which is WHY my wife disrespects the Flag and she and I have attended several flag burning ceremonies in the past”. (this from a presidential candidate!)

    “Of course now, I have found myself about to become The President of the United States and I have put my hatred aside. I will use my power to bring CHANGE to this Nation, and offer the people a new path. My wife and I look forward to becoming our Country’s First black Family. Indeed,CHANGE is about to overwhelm the United States of America ”

    Yes, you read it right.
    I,for one, am speechless!!!

    Dale Lindsborg, Washington Post

  370. Radford NG says:
    October 29, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    Is it : blogs.spectator.co.uk/douglas-murray/2013/10/when-tommy-met-mo-revealed-how-far-we-have-to-travel-before-islam-is-uprooted/

  371. Verity says:
    October 29, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    Wow! Slow day in the Coffee House! Cat got your tongue? Five new posts today, and it’s now around 11pm in Britain.

  372. David Ossitt says:
    October 29, 2013 at 11:50 pm

    Fergus Pickering October 29th, 2013 – 19:40

    In the words similar to those of Frank P.

    F.F.S.F.O.F.

  373. David Ossitt says:
    October 29, 2013 at 11:50 pm

    John birch October 29th, 2013 – 20:24

    “Fergus. 19.40. Do you have any other hobbies. ???”

    John why would he need others?

    He has all of us to play with, sad thing is; up to a couple of years back he was quite normal.

  374. IRISHBOY says:
    October 30, 2013 at 12:11 am

    Malfleur – 21.44

    Shocking. Not surprising, but still shocking. Talk about “hate speech”.

    Anyway, I’m reading John Eliot Gardiner’s brilliant new book on J.S. Bach “Music in the Castle of Heaven” and in a footnote on page 194 we read about Bach underlining a commentary on Deuteronomy (23:4) by Abraham Calov who concluded that no one should be raised to a position of authority who has demonstrated his hatred for those he would rule. “No one should accept as his leader anyone who has demonstrated such hatred.”

    Over on the other place their editor, whose sanctimoniousness is in inverse proportion to the thinness of his skin, boasts of his opposition to Leveson (The Spectator says No!) but still during his term has never addressed reality and truth. He, like most in the MSM, cannot in all conscience call himself a journalist. A lickspittle in a back office of Pravda is his rightful place, along with all those other despicable collaborators of the consensual compliant Press. (Pace the new breed of bloggers oft quoted here and the one or two or three still in the MSM who care not one jot whether Dave sends them a Christmas Card or not.)

  375. Fergus Pickering says:
    October 30, 2013 at 6:34 am

    David, Fergus is a keen observer of the human condition with a lyrical bent in iambic pentameter.

    I think we should all be more concerned with the threat to our freedom represented by the Royal Charter.

    My old friend Fraser Nelson has our interests at heart.

    He recognises the threat not only to his organ but to our sister Blog Coffee House.

    I am heartened to read on the BBC web site this morning:

    “Newspaper and magazine publishers are seeking a last-minute injunction to stop the proposed royal charter on press regulation being approved later.

    They will argue at the High Court that the Privy Council failed to consult the industry properly or to consider its alternative charter properly.

    They fear the cross-party charter amounts to the end of the free press in the UK – a claim its supporters deny.”

    Make no mistake my friends that if adopted the Charter will be used by the Guardianistas to close down right wing comment on this and other blogs.

  376. EC says:
    October 30, 2013 at 7:43 am

    Clucking hell. Chickens going cheep?

    One of Bradford’s finest dodges the coup….

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-24733189

    Mmm, tasty!

  377. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 30, 2013 at 8:57 am

    As a matter of interest, during Storm St Jude, what happened to the wind farms?

  378. Fergus Pickering says:
    October 30, 2013 at 9:04 am

    Anne
    On early Monday morning, I drove up from Portsmouth to Manchester.
    I saw several wind turbines that were going ten to a dozen.
    Global warming was taken down a peg

  379. Noa says:
    October 30, 2013 at 9:27 am

    I ask you, what hope is there?

    Are all Britons ‘thicker than a thick thing,’ or just some of them? If so, why? Is it ‘cos of the edjukation sistem or con genitul mum bredin?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10413440/EU-referendum-may-confuse-voters-not-aware-country-is-part-of-union.html

  380. David Ossitt says:
    October 30, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Fergus Pickering October 30th, 2013 – 06:34

    “David, Fergus is a keen observer of the human condition with a lyrical bent in iambic pentameter.”

    Fergus your post at 06:34 is much more like the Fergus of times past, I agree with all of that specific post, keep it up.

    Perhaps if you were to practice and post the fruits of your lyrical poetic bent elsewhere; where like minds might appreciate your sometime over long stanzas.

  381. David Ossitt says:
    October 30, 2013 at 9:32 am

    Noa October 30th, 2013 – 09:27

    “Are all Britons ‘thicker than a thick thing,”

    The phrase that you seek might be, ‘as thick as three short planks’.

  382. Ostrich (occasionally) says:
    October 30, 2013 at 9:45 am

    IRISHBOY 30th, – 00:11

    “The Spectator says NO!”

    Does Paisley now write their headlines?

  383. Noa says:
    October 30, 2013 at 9:48 am

    David, mi guud fallow Wallstur, I do not seek any other frase to describ wot i rote butt the yne ey ewesd!

  384. Ostrich (occasionally) says:
    October 30, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Alexsandr 29th, – 19:09

    “but the trains for GW and the replacements for east coast will be 125 so we will have 1970′s speeds for another 40 years.”

    Yet 109 years have passed since “City of Truro” achieved 100 mph.

  385. Alexsandr says:
    October 30, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Ostrich (occasionally)@October 30th, 2013 – 09:53

    To be fair there were a few crack trains back then. Then they changed the game when they got HST’s. This was every train doing 125 for long stretches of track on the GW and east coast. And the engineers on the EC were always looking for places where they could cut the odd minute off the schedules. (The midland guys have just discovered this, cutting time in their December 2013 timetables)
    So we haven’t moved on since the mid 70’s really. And the HST’s are still running and are probably the best trains to ride on the network today.

  386. IRISHBOY says:
    October 30, 2013 at 11:22 am

    Ostrich (o) – 9.45

    I thought you’d catch the echo!

    My point is that there’s no point in Fraser and others getting all righteously indignant about press freedom when they don’t actually use the freedom they’ve had to any good purpose and it’s only the new breed of bloggers, free from toadying self-desire, who deviate from the consensual narrative.

  387. Verity says:
    October 30, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    Also, BTW, we should remember that the editor has a Swedish wife and Sweden is the northern-most dhimmi country.

  388. Verity says:
    October 30, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    No new posts in six hours?

  389. Verity says:
    October 30, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    Oh. My math was off. I calculated the time in Britain incorrectly!

  390. Radford NG says:
    October 30, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    Verity : all the news is more bad news.Such as Ms. Shoesmith,who ran Haringay social services when Baby P. died,has been given £700,000 compensation for being illegally dismissed without proper process.

  391. Ostrich (occasionally) says:
    October 30, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    Radford NG 30th, – 15:15

    “given £700,000 compensation for being illegally dismissed without proper process.”

    For which, presumably, nobody else but Balls is to blame?

  392. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 30, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    Fergus Pickering
    October 30th, 2013 – 09:04
    Thanks, Fergus, for the information.

  393. David Ossitt says:
    October 30, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    Ostrich (occasionally) October 30th, 2013 – 15:41

    “given £700,000 compensation for being illegally dismissed without proper process.”

    “For which, presumably, nobody else but Balls is to blame?”

    Well he was the stupid idiot that tried to curry favour from the general public by interfering in the correct procedures by saying she must be dismissed immediately.

  394. Noa says:
    October 30, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    Sayings about politicians

    We hang petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office.
    Aesop

    Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed
    by those who are dumber.
    Plato

    Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where
    there is no river.
    Nikita Khrushchev

    When I was a boy I was told that anybody could become President; I’m
    beginning to believe it.
    Quoted in ‘Clarence Darrow for the Defense’ by Irving Stone.

    Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel, go
    out and buy some more tunnel.
    John Quinton, American actor/writer

    Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds
    from the rich, by promising to protect each from the other.
    ~Oscar Ameringer, “the Mark Twain of American Socialism.”

    I offered my opponents a deal: “if they stop telling lies about me, I will
    stop telling the truth about them”.
    ~Adlai Stevenson, campaign speech, 1952..

    A politician is a fellow who will lay down your life for his country.
    Texas Guinan. 19th century American businessman

    I have come to the conclusion that politics is too serious a matter to be
    left to the politicians.
    Charles de Gaulle.

    Instead of giving a politician the keys to the city, it might be better to
    change the locks.
    ~Doug Larson (English middle-distance runner who won gold medals at the 1924
    Olympic Games in Paris , 1902-1981)

    And finally, what happens if a politician drowns in a river? That is pollution.
    What happens if all of them drown? That is a solution!

  395. David Ossitt says:
    October 30, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Some here will find this amusing.

    Click on the link,

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/V_gOZDWQj3Q?rel=0

  396. huktra says:
    October 30, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    So the press have lost.
    Cannot decide whether it is good that future Murdochs will be thwarted, or whether we are seeing the first step in government control of the press.
    Perhaps we will get answers in EC4.

  397. RobertC says:
    October 30, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    So what did Obama hope to achieve with his 2,700-page poison pill of ObamaCare?

    Read about it here:
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/10/dialing_1-800-fk-you.html

  398. RobertC says:
    October 30, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    The Good Samaritan didn’t have these problems:

    The seven deadly sins of HealthCare.gov
    A data center failure is the latest in Obamacare site’s litany of woes.
    http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/10/the-seven-deadly-sins-of-healthcare-gov/

  399. RobertC says:
    October 30, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    David Ossitt – 16:30 ‘amusing?’

    Have you notified Delingpole?

  400. David Ossitt says:
    October 30, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    Huktra October 30th, 2013 – 18:07

    “So the press have lost.”

    If you mean that they have lost an appeal in court today then yes but if you mean that the press are going to be controlled then no.

    In fact if this dreadful; so called Royal Charter ever does anything practical other than just sit there on the shelf as an example of the folly of our elected politicians then we all have lost we every man jack of us will be the loser’s big time.

    Free speech and a free press that is totally separate from political influence and pressure are the two mainstays of a free democratic society, nothing less will do.

    The police, the politicians and the judiciary and the civil service should all fear a free press that is able to prod and probe on our behalf.

    None of this nonsense is needed, today’s High Court Case with Rebekah Brooks and Andy Coulson with five others on trial is evidence enough if evidence were needed that existing laws are sufficient to bring miscreants to account.

    We have heard that big business, our lawyers and barristers have been the principle users and those who have benefited most from illegal telephone hacking and then of course we have the American Secret Service and if them then definitely MI6 and MI5 and any of our less known spooky people will be hard at it even now.

  401. David Ossitt says:
    October 30, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    RobertC October 30th, 2013 – 19:04

    David Ossitt – 16:30 ‘amusing?’ Have you notified Delingpole?

    No, not as yet.

  402. Baron says:
    October 30, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    Good, but depressing read.

    http://info.moneyweek.com/urgent-bulletins/the-end-of-britain/?infinity=gaw~DISPL%2BSPCFC%2BThe%20End%20Of%20Britain~DISPL%2BSPCFC%2Binterest%2BAvid%20Investors~26105902029~placement:www.americanthinker.com~c&gclid=CK-py8qsv7oCFceWtAodm1UA0Q

  403. John birch says:
    October 30, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    David . 16.30.
    Very funny David .
    Sent it on to family and friends. !!!!

  404. Verity says:
    October 30, 2013 at 11:23 pm

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2480272/Cameron-falls-10-list-worlds-powerful-people-place-taken-man-owns-Asda.html

    Ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha hahahahahahaha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  405. Radford NG says:
    October 31, 2013 at 4:54 am

    Verity at 23-23; 30 Oct. Miliband gets it wrong again.He should have said Cameron had gone from Rambo to Bimbo.

  406. Verity says:
    October 31, 2013 at 5:02 am

    Radford Ng – When was that soft-faced witless jerk ever Rambo? Name one instance.

  407. Noa says:
    October 31, 2013 at 10:44 am

    “When was that soft-faced witless jerk ever Rambo? Name one instance.”

    Surely, when hugging a husky, either the hugger or thr huggee underwent a serious risk of contracting rabies.

  408. Verity says:
    October 31, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    Noa – No wonder the dog looked alarmed.

  409. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 31, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    Noa
    October 31st, 2013 – 10:44
    And not even house-trained………. 🙁

  410. huktra says:
    October 31, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    Is the Old Bailey justice?
    Or a feeding frenzy for the silks?

  411. David Ossitt says:
    October 31, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    Huktra October 31st, 2013 – 15:46

    “Is the Old Bailey justice? Or a feeding frenzy for the silks?”

    If you are referring to the trial of Rebekah Mary Brooks and her five or is it six? associates, then a trial; where the jury have already been warned that this will take up to 6 or 8 months of their time can be nothing less than an attempt to cower the press and yes provide the blood for the vampire silks to feed upon.

    What possible good can come of a trial taking such a long time to come to court and then a warning of just how long the trial is expected to will take?
    .
    Madness

  412. Noa says:
    October 31, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    And don’t look to Cameron to protect Britain:

    “Speaking on a stage that included Jordanian King Abdullah and the Sultan of Brunei, Cameron dismissed criticism of increasing foreign ownership in Britain: “I know some people look at foreign companies investing in our businesses, financing our infrastructure or taking over our football clubs and ask, shouldn’t we do something to stop it? Well, let me tell you, the answer is no.”

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4042/britain-islamic-finance

  413. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 31, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    Noa
    October 31st, 2013 – 20:05
    It’s so obvious why nobody has been arrested and prosecuted for performing FGM. Perhaps Cameron will try to have it performed on the NHS and so show the organisation as truly multicultural.

  414. Verity says:
    October 31, 2013 at 9:01 pm

    AWK – Yes – if this were Seven Day Adventists or Mormons, they would have been prosecuted by now.

    Has there ever been a single prosecution (successful or otherwise) of a practitioner of FGM?

  415. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 31, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    Verity@21.01
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23982767‎
    5 Sep 2013 – While there have been 100 convictions in France, there has not been a successful UK prosecution since criminalisation 28 years ago.
    NO! The U.K. is saying it will be coming soon. So is Christmas!

  416. Verity says:
    October 31, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    AWK – I saw this link just now:

    http://news.sky.com/story/1118135/female-genital-mutilation-campaigners-rally

    The link you posted wouldn’t go through.

  417. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 31, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    First UK prosecution for female genital mutilation moves a step …
    http://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f2981

  418. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    October 31, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    BMJ Group – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMJ_Group‎
    The BMJ Group is a wholly owned subsidiary of the British Medical Association. Established in 1840 with the publication of the first edition of the British Medical …

  419. Malfleur says:
    October 31, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    Sent to me by an American friend not previously known for his admiration of Russian leaders and concerned by the encouragement by US big business and Congress of massive illegal immigration in his country – this may have been posted on the Wall earlier this year:

    On February 4th, 2013, Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, addressed the Duma, (Russian Parliament), and gave a speech about the tensions with minorities in Russia:

    “In Russia live Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Sharia Law, then we advise them to go to those places where that’s the state law. Russia does not need minorities.
    Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell ‘discrimination’. We better learn from the suicides of America, England, Holland and France, if we are to survive as a nation. The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of most minorities. When this honorable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have in mind the national interest first, observing that the minorities are not Russians.”

    The politicians in the Duma gave Putin a five minute standing ovation.”

  420. Verity says:
    November 1, 2013 at 1:04 am

    Is he married?

  421. Malfleur says:
    November 1, 2013 at 1:50 am

    Alex Jones maintains consistent form on 30th October:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exQB7RDDgvs

  422. Malfleur says:
    November 1, 2013 at 2:25 am

    If you can’t take too much of Alex Jones, at least try the interview with Alex Keiser which at the link above starts about 50+ minutes in. Some good stuff on control of us through finance.

  423. Malfleur says:
    November 1, 2013 at 2:33 am

    Max Keiser, not Alex Keiser – he also has good stuff on what he calls “digital apartheid” and “copyright apartheid”.

  424. Malfleur says:
    November 1, 2013 at 2:44 am

    and great on BITCOIN at about 1.10 hours in.

  425. Malfleur says:
    November 1, 2013 at 2:51 am

    “Mark Carney is a Bernie Madoff on steroids [and]…wants to make the UK the global garbage dump for bad debt.”

  426. Malfleur says:
    November 1, 2013 at 2:58 am

    And finally interesting on his scheme for crowd-funding basing fund raising to be given away based on the number of “likes” on a site – Peter from Maidstone, please note.

  427. Radford NG says:
    November 1, 2013 at 5:08 am

    Hallowe’en ; and The Gates of Hell are open.—( 6€6 ! )—A new name appears [new to us I think]. Dr.Chris Allen.He is a witch-hunter;hunting out Islamophobics at public expense.I need to follow-up some-more references to this.(In the meantime: `Avaunt Satarnus;for we know thee for who thy art.`)

  428. Ostrich (occasionally) says:
    November 1, 2013 at 9:33 am

    This’ll please Verity:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24767225

  429. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    November 1, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Re the above, pity this law wasn’t around in Britain when some of our politicians were born.

  430. Noa says:
    November 1, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Current stories on Liberty GB:-

    http://us6.campaign-archive1.com/?u=095b9da28d44bea854e2cfbee&id=2e1fbcfef1&e=a8007fd908

  431. Baron says:
    November 1, 2013 at 11:23 am

    Ostrich (occasionally) @ 09:33

    Pity, the piece doesn’t explain how will the X assignation help the man/women who says he/she’s unhappy with things as they are.

    Also, in Germany you have the authorities falling backwards to accommodate (what) 2,000 people who feel unhappy. In Britain, the number of kids brought up by homosexuals couple runs into tens of thousands. As they come of age, the majority of them will be hetero (this reflects life as we know it). What if, as it’s very likely, some if not many were to dislike the fact they were not brought up in a family of their sex preference? Their finding a husband/wife may be made more difficult, too. As would be socialising. To tolerate such family units may be one thing, to endorse them another.

    Apparently, one of the most often cited reasons for Christians switching to Islam is that the latter better reflects the inner convictions of the converts on matters of the family.
    Quote: “Islam’s emphasis on the importance of family life and social value is one of the key aspects that attract men and women from various cultural backgrounds, particularly those serious in true and traditional family values and moral teaching.”

  432. Peter from Maidstone says:
    November 1, 2013 at 11:44 am

    Baron, my understanding is that most of those becoming Muslims in the UK are young women with low self-esteem and no real Christian faith who become Muslim when marrying some gang member in an inner city ghetto.

  433. Baron says:
    November 1, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    Peter fM, quite, most are women, but not necessarily of low self-esteem unless falling in love classes as low self esteem.

    What does anyone make of the last sentence in the Economist’s piece “In Western countries the growth in converts is part of Islam’s transition from an immigrant religion to a home-grown one”.?

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2013/09/economist-explains-17

  434. Peter from Maidstone says:
    November 1, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    Baron, as far as I am aware most women becoming Muslims are from very low class backgrounds, from poor estates, and do suffer from low self-esteem. They are the same girls who end up being passed around gangs of Muslim men for sex.

  435. Baron says:
    November 1, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    More on the on the surprising friend. Here is Vlad on the subject of the two creeds. It’s the first item as yu click on the link.

    http://gatesofvienna.net/page/2/

  436. Baron says:
    November 1, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    Malfleur @ 02:51 at el

    Please, my blogging friend, the man – Kaiser – is as loopy as they come. He was pushing people to buy gold, silver as it was obvious to everyone the commodities have peaked. Hegets an audience only because people are ignorant of what he talks about even more than he is.

    And how is the new boy at the BoE turning the country into a garbage dump for bad debt? Enlighten Baron, please.

    Carney pleased Baron by refusing to endorse the separation of banking, or rather he favours as many streams of the bank’s business as possible to be included in the investemnt arm of the banks. If he also adopts more common sense take on how to prevent future meltdowns (instead of hiking reserve capital, ratios and stuff the banks should use the money to diversify, if they come unstuck, they should get help from the BoE against the collateral of their assets.

    Hard to follow what the barbarian’s saying but here’s an analogy.

    One ownss a house worth £200K, haas earnings of £50k/pa. Under the current proposal, one will be required to keep £10k unused, an equivalent of stuffing the money in a mattress just in case one runs into difficult times.

    Well, what if one is faced with a bill of (say) £30k payable within a week? A fat lot of good will the £10k do.

    Instead, one would have the bank promise of ‘an insurance’. When faced with the £30k bill the bank will advance the money against the assets one owns, ie the £500k property. One will have to pay the bank a premium for such facility, but it’s better than permanently wasting £10k when one may have bought for it (say) gold or assets other than a property (asset diversification).

  437. Malfleur says:
    November 1, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    Good to see that the German government is talking to Edward Snowden. These police minds think their powers should have no limits. We need more whistleblowers, not fewer.

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20131101/DA9PP8V00.html

  438. Verity says:
    November 1, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    Ostrich 09:33 – Your gender is in your DNA. It’s not the physical signs that count. Their DNA should be tested when born, and the birth certificate should reflect this.

    P from M 12:34 – Those women who convert to islam already have low self-esteem. No woman in her right mind chooses to submit to a thought fascist unless raised to be submissive.

    Further, I have read in many places, the observation from medics, that mo’ had the classic symptoms of epilepsy, which gave him an air of “otherness” when he was suffering from a seizure. A neighbourhood scribe, took down mo’s mumblings and recorded them as what he thought mo’ had probably said. As in, “It sounded like …”.

    Further, their garments, which look absurd in nothern climes (and, indeed, in air-conditioned ME cities today, were born of the need to combat the environment — protecting the eyes from the baking hot sand shifted by a continuing low level wind, hot, dazzling sunlight, the need to protect skin from the searing sun. The men wear keffiyahs, which they can pull across their mouth and nose, to prevent breathing in the shifting sands. These were an intelligent solution for the times. They had absolutely nothing to do with religion. They were folkways which should have fallen into disuse as the West developed technology like air conditioning and sun glasses and cars.

    Why they are so proud of being trapped in the C16th, or whatever – I’m not going to look it up – is baffling. That desert gear should be outlawed (as in, no covering of the face in public), as it is in France.

  439. Peter from Maidstone says:
    November 1, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    Verity. I said the women who convert to Islam have low self esteem.

  440. Verity says:
    November 1, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    Yes, you did Peter!

  441. Verity says:
    November 1, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    “Bonfire night do’s and dont’s”

    The legendary illiteracy of The Mail’s sub-editors. How on earth do these people land the job? And presumably The Mail interviewed other people who were even worse.

  442. Verity says:
    November 1, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2483341/Art-film-showing-naked-man-rubbing-Christ-crucifix-prompts-priest-legal-action-Polish-culture-ministry.html

    If this stupid, self-serving little prick wants to get really, really daring, he should make a statue or painting of mohammad (it’s forbidden to do any renderings of him) and f— over that. Oh, someone would declare a fatwah on him and he would be murdered by a mohammadan?

    I didn’t read the article because attention-seekers are so desperate for an audience.

  443. David Ossitt says:
    November 1, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    I am rather surprised that as yet there has been no comments posted favourable or otherwise about last night’s Question Time.

    Suffice it to say; that it was the very worst that I have witnessed in many a year. David Dimbleby was dreadful, it is high time that he was put out of our misery let out to pasture and retired.

    The choice of panellists was dire, in fact the panel was so bad that one wonders was this a deliberate attempt to bore us to tears and send us all to an early bed.

    The five on the panel were comprised of Matthew Hancock Conservative MP, Business Minister; a lack lustre, pasty faced ninny who in all probability has never run, managed or otherwise worked in order to make a profit.

    Chris Bryant Homosexual Labour MP, (look him up on YouTube in his Y-fronts) shadow Work and Pensions minister; well what can I write other than the man is a prat.

    Jeremy Browne LibDem MP; Minister of State for Home Affairs who was nominated for the Stonewall Politician of the Year Award in 2011 for his work to support equality for lesbian, gay and bisexual people, safe to assume that he too is from the ‘Pink Tendency of Politics’ , and it shows.

    Harriet Sergeant, journalist, author and Research Fellow of the Centre for Policy Studies, this poor woman tried valiantly to speak for those of us who are from the centre right but failed miserably. She should sue the BBC because their ‘makeup and hair people’ sent her out in front of the cameras with hair all a tangle looking very much like Caroline Aherne’s character in The Mrs Merton Show.

    Paris Lees, a Gay Times columnist making it three out of the five on the panel being homosexuals, she mentioned having been to prison and being transgender but in her own words from her own blog.

    It turns out that they do, in fact, send people like me to prison. My friends and family assured me this wasn’t so during the terrifying months leading up to my trial for robbery. Today I’m a transgender woman, but back then I was seen as a dangly gay boy. I’d known I was a girl since I was four, if you’ll excuse the cliché, but everyone told me I couldn’t be, because of a pesky penis between my legs. Puberty hit and I assumed I was gay. I liked boys, so what else could I call myself? I used to wear makeup and “girls’ clothes” (whatever that means) because it made me happy. I supposed I was one of those boys who enjoyed dressing up. There are plenty of them.

    What would Lord Reith have thought, I wonder?

  444. Lesley C. says:
    November 1, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    David Ossitt
    November 1st, 2013 – 17:05
    “I am rather surprised that as yet there has been no comments posted favourable or otherwise about last night’s Question Time.”

    I took one look at the panel at the beginning, and ran.

  445. Baron says:
    November 1, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    Does everyone know the boy in No 10 speaks Arabic?

    http://www.endofyourarm.com/2013/10/uk-government-issues-sharia-bond-on.html

  446. Baron says:
    November 1, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    David Ossitt @ 17:05

    You should consult an expert, there may be a masochistic streak in your DNA if you persist watching the BBC, the Question Time in particular. What amazes is that the BBC didn’t make the panel exclusively non-heterosexual.

    Like Lesley C, the barbarian had a peep few years back, decided it was the last thing he needed to get his systolic pressure up.

  447. Malfleur says:
    November 1, 2013 at 8:23 pm

    Baron

    ” “RBS sell-off unlikely before election, says Chancellor as lender unveils £38bn new ‘bad bank’
    George Osborne admits RBS unlikely to be re-privatised before general election as bank unveils bad bank to deal with toxic debt alongside a £634m quarterly loss ” ”

    Daily Telegraph 1st November

    Keep selling your gold and silver, Baron. I will buy it from you.

  448. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    November 1, 2013 at 9:01 pm

    David Ossitt
    November 1st, 2013 – 17:05
    David , it was obvious that last night’s QT was a Halloween’s Special. From Dimbleby to the panel, never were there such a selection of talking nightmares. “House of Wax” had nothing on this group of Zombies.

  449. Radford NG says:
    November 1, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    The C of E and other Churches in the Western Tradition are to be condemned for not speaking-out against Hallowe’en being turned into a horror-fest.It started with `trick-or-treat`and then became commercialised in a big way and has gone into `horror-mode`with one man putting a gruesomely foul display in his front garden on the excuse that it is for charity.But Church leaders do not speak-out.______In the Western Church(es) it is the eave of All Hallows,or All Saints,Day.There are different traditions:for some it celebrates All the Saints in Heaven,some specifically Martyrs:others the union of all Christians living and dead.Tomorrow is All Souls;traditionally celebrating all souls living and dead.(The Eastern Church has different traditions).The Western Churches have given-up on this (although it’s still probably a big festival in Mexico).

  450. RobertC says:
    November 1, 2013 at 11:16 pm

    How adults can encourage children to ask other adults “Trick or treat” is beyond me.

    It is on a par with “Jim’ll fix it!”.

  451. Verity says:
    November 2, 2013 at 12:20 am

    Robert C 23:16 … Meow. But very amusing.

    Radford Ng – I am sure it will be a big festival here. But so is everything, if the priests have any say. And they do. They have one festival – I don’t know what it is because they all run together – where the priest lights fireworks at 5 a.m. and it goes on for TWO HOURS, plus the bells are clanging, for THREE DAYS.

    This is in addition to all their other festivals. I saw, with a sinking heart, yesterday, that the town had put a pretend skeleton with a gaping mouth in the square, clad in a dress and a hat. What the hell taxpayers’ money is doing being spent on joining in festive occasions from other countries — the US is the home of trick or treat and it has been going on for generations — I don’t know.

    I see that commercial interests in Britain are trying to push the British into this purely American festivity. We have our home-grown Guy Fawkes night for fireworks and festivities.

  452. John birch says:
    November 2, 2013 at 6:05 am

    Interesting comment from taki’s mag article about gypo’s.

    A Jewish friend lived in Bucharest for a while, and adopted a cute little boy from one of Ceaușescu’s orphanages. Nature won out over nurture. Despite the best of everything, the kid grew up to be a gypsy. A charming sociopath, who once in the United States got thrown out of every private school in town.

    Ukraine is home to quite a few gypsies, concentrated along the Carpathian mountain region bordering Romania and Hungary. There are some condemned, abandoned houses along the right-of-way of a planned metro line not far from our place. Gypsies have taken up residence. As advertised, dirt poor, lots of kids, scrounging in the dumpsters, and despised by the bus drivers, mom-and-pop store owners and everybody with whom they come in contact.

    In their defense I will say that the levels of theft in the neighborhood are not great. This may be because Ukrainians have not been as well instructed in diversity by their betters as the rest of us. The gypsies know from centuries of experience that it is not wise to get the locals riled.

  453. John birch says:
    November 2, 2013 at 9:43 am

    Two golden dawn leaders killed by gunman on motorcycle .
    By the report it sounds like an execution .

  454. Ostrich (occasionally) says:
    November 2, 2013 at 10:18 am

    RobertC 1st, – 23:16

    “It is on a par with “Jim’ll fix it!””

    On several of my ships the engineers had their own ‘alternative’ to the official ship’s crest. Unimaginatively, they usually had some nondescript artwork, (limited by the colours of the paints available on board) superimposed by a crossed spanner and condom. A kind of “fix it or f*** it” attitude, it seems that Jim adopted it on a more comprehensive scale.

  455. EC says:
    November 2, 2013 at 10:46 am

    h/t Pat Condell ‏(@patcondell)

    “22% of European Jews hide their identity while we sanctify the statistically non-existent “Islamophobia”. Disgusting”

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/fearful-of-anti-semitism-22-of-european-jews-hide-identity/

  456. EC says:
    November 2, 2013 at 10:59 am

    Another “incident at a house” in Sheffield …..

    http://news.sky.com/story/1162864/pizza-delivery-driver-murder-two-in-court

    Hardworking guy trying to better himself, allegedly cut down by two worthless bastards. No prizes for guessing the nature their probable religio-fascist upbringing …..

  457. EC says:
    November 2, 2013 at 11:08 am

    Truly, “A Night To Remember…”
    😀

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2483609/Woman-wielding-fake-knife-handed-trick-treat-children-real-lambs-heart-knocked-door.html

  458. EC says:
    November 2, 2013 at 11:14 am

    Ruling by decree…
    Herr Hitler President Obama uses executive order in sweeping takeover of nation’s climate change policies.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/01/obama-creates-climate-change-task-force/

  459. Malfleur says:
    November 2, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    Michael Savage opens up his 31st October artillery battery at the following link on Obama’s policy of amnesty for illegal aliens which will, if passed, deliver the death blow to the American Republic.

    His rant is not without significance to us in England.

    Why do we have no one with this passion? It might not save English civilization, but at least posterity might record that we put up a fight. The Director of the Centre for Immigration Studies in the US is interviewed in the course of his proramme.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U2Iip2Zufk&feature=youtube_gdata
    h?v=-U2Iip2Zufk&feature=youtube_gdata

  460. RobertC says:
    November 2, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    EC – 11:08 ‘A Night To Remember…’

    I do like the punch line:
    “Mother says her children will not be allowed trick or treating again”

  461. Herbert Thornton says:
    November 2, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    A drone strike has apparently dispatched another Taliban leader. Some of the responses from Times of India readers are quite colorful –

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/Pakistani-Taliban-secretly-bury-Hakimullah-Mehsud-elect-new-chief/articleshow/25131039.cms

  462. Ostrich (occasionally) says:
    November 2, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    Malfleur 2nd, – 12:22

    “amnesty for illegal aliens which will, if passed, deliver the death blow to the American Republic.”

    Yeah…being soft on illegal aliens didn’t do the Native Americans a lot of good either.

  463. Verity says:
    November 2, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    Ostrich (occasionally) – That’s a good point! Except the Americas were settled by people from an advanced country. What is invading Britain is primitive and is based on the epileptic ravings of a desert dingbat.

    Britain is submittings to an invasion, oddly enough, of primitive people.

  464. Verity says:
    November 2, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    The left is mistaken if they think that patronising the islamics by letting them in is going to pay off for the politicians and others involved.

    British pols, two words for you to bear in mind: taqqiya and kitman.

    This is direct from Mo’. It’s in the qu’ran and means that it is all right to lie to unbelievers as long as you are fowarding the cause of islam.

  465. Verity says:
    November 2, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    Taqqiya and kitman means it is all right for them to lie with their hand on the q’ran, as long as they are lying in the service of allah.

    Never forget taqqiya and kitman when you are talking to a muzzie.

  466. RobertC says:
    November 2, 2013 at 9:14 pm

    Two French radio journalists are found dead in northern Mali hours after being kidnapped by gunmen
    * Ghislaine Dupont and Claude Verlon were interviewing separatist leader
    * Kidnapped by gunmen at 1pm today then found ‘riddled with bullets’
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2484914/Two-French-journalists-dead-Mali-hours-kidnap.html

    But was it a hate crime?

  467. EC says:
    November 2, 2013 at 11:09 pm

    Common Purpose: Cameron left holding a smoking gun ….

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10423070/Press-row-PM-faces-questions-over-link-to-charity.html

  468. Verity says:
    November 3, 2013 at 12:36 am

    EC 23:09 … Thanks for that.

  469. John birch says:
    November 3, 2013 at 6:28 am

    Theodore dalrymples opinion of television.

    To my shame, and against my principles, I have occasionally agreed to appear on television, though even less frequently than I have been asked. I have found those who work for TV broadcasting companies to be the most disagreeable people that I have ever encountered. I far preferred the criminals whom I encountered in my work as a prison doctor, who were more honest and upright than TV people.

    In my experience, TV people are as lying, insincere, obsequious, unscrupulous, fickle, exploitative, shallow, cynical, untrustworthy, treacherous, dishonest, mercenary, low, and untruthful a group of people as is to be found on the face of this Earth. They make the average Western politician seem like a moral giant. By comparison with them, Mr. Madoff was a model of probity and Iago was Othello’s best friend. I am prepared to admit that there may be—even are—exceptions, as there are exceptions good or bad in every human group, but there is something about the evil little screen that would sully a saint and sanctify a monster.

  470. Fergus Pickering says:
    November 3, 2013 at 7:09 am

    Robert C

    Trick Or Treat

    ——————————————————————————–

    Haunted houses,
    Curdling screams,
    Freezing bats, torn at the seams!

    Full white moon,
    Dripping candles,
    Roaming forgetful zombie vandals!

    Gnarled old trees,
    Tossed in the breeze.
    Cold ghosts shivering, knocking their knees!

    Trick and treating,
    From door to door,
    Not enough sweets, I must have more!!!

  471. Fergus Pickering says:
    November 3, 2013 at 7:10 am

    And the next day:

    I wake up in the morning and go to school
    Oh no! This is not my life
    My life is what employment rules
    I work as a peon
    Unlike others living in their tunes
    Yes I get my wages
    Not allowed to waste on pages
    I don’t use pencil of lead
    I nurture my family with money instead
    Education isn’t my destiny
    No math, no history, no botany
    Yes I am a child labour which no one really favour

  472. Malfleur says:
    November 3, 2013 at 9:04 am

    Constitutional Sheriffs & Peace Officers Association

    cspoa.org
    an honest sheriff Finch in Florida wins the day in support of the US Constitution

    Do we have anything like this in England?

  473. EC says:
    November 3, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Verity, November 3rd @00:36,

    The BBC, The EU and, no doubt, Common Purpose too!

    “The BBC is facing questions over the impartiality of its coverage of the European Union after its charity arm received millions of pounds to promote the EU’s political agenda.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10423013/BBC-faces-new-bias-row-over-charity-given-millions-by-EU.html

    Just WTF is the BBC News Dept. doing running a, presumably fake, “charity” anyway?

    We have to be careful what we say and/or write these days, but if it came to pass that this malign news organisation got shut down, and its denizens interned, then I might find myself dancing in the street!

  474. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    November 3, 2013 at 10:33 am

    A police chief is calling for a national database holding the details of people suffering from dementia.
    Saw above on BBC web. Seems one cannot go mad in peace! Well, the database can start with Cameron and his crew of pervs and the BBC with its ‘historical’ paedos.

  475. David Ossitt says:
    November 3, 2013 at 11:57 am

    Fergus Pickering November 3rd, 2013 – 07:09

    And yet again at.

    Fergus Pickering November 3rd, 2013 – 07:10

    For heaven’s sake Fergus give us a break and stop it, Rudyard Kipling you most certainly are not.

  476. David Ossitt says:
    November 3, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Can anyone help?

    With my old computer I edited all of my home photographs with a ‘Free 2004 version of Adobe Photoshop Manager’ it was idiot proof, I was able to alter the contrast, colour, sharpness and crop with ease, it was a delight to use.

    My son who practiced photography at Art College kept urging me to use much more complicated photo-editing software but I found them all very confusing.

    Do any of you know of anything as simple to use that I can download for Free to my new Windows 8?

  477. David Ossitt says:
    November 3, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Can I remind you that that prime labour twat James Purnell, who served as both Culture and Work and Pensions Secretary under Gordon Brown, has been handed the job as the corporation’s strategy chief. This was an entirely new post (was it to find work for a labour pal) he was set on by the new (latest) head of the BBC.

    Eyebrows were raised over the fact that there was no open recruitment process for Mr Purnell’s job.

    Sources at the BBC claimed there was no point in such a costly exercise because he was viewed as the ideal candidate for the newly-created job. (well they would say that wouldn’t they).

    Well he has now set on the chap who took over as advisor to ‘Blair’ from creepy Peter Mandelson, he will work only part time at a salary of £150,000 but this figure is to get round the new rules now limiting, pay but once ensconced he will receive a huge rise in pay.

    The mephitis stench of labour/BBC corruption uses all over this now disgusting Co-operation.

  478. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 says:
    November 3, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    Yet another U-turn from the Sharia-led government of Bint Cameron and Abu Clegg Plans for a £3,000 “security bond” for some “high risk” overseas visitors to the UK are to be abandoned, the Home Office has confirmed. The situation has gone beyond ridiculous.

  479. Verity says:
    November 3, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    “Two French radio journalists are found dead in northern Mali hours after being kidnapped by gunmen” – RC 21:14 yesterday…

    Yes, it’s the religion of peace (or pieces) prosylitising in their humble way again. Well said!

    David Ossitt 12:24 – The stench from the BBC grows ever-stronger. Some politician has to get up the nerve to propose closing it down. There is absolutely conceivable reason for its existence. The world is full of news and entertainment channels. They are surplus to requirements and too dedicated to Common Purpose. Their remit is to present unbiased programmes and they betray it every day and have done so for around 30 years.

    They had a good run for their outrageous money. As I have said before, the BBC should be destroyed by controlled explosions so it is razed to the ground. then left to detoxify for perhaps five years.

  480. Herbert Thornton says:
    November 3, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    David Ossitt (3 Nov @ – 12:04)

    I think that either Faststone Viewer or Irfanview might suit you. My own preference is version 45 of Faststone Viewer..

  481. Michael Roberts says:
    November 3, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    EC 2nd & 3rd November: Cameron, Common Purpose etc.:

    I don’t believe I have ever seen Common Purpose actually mentioned in the MSM before. At any rate it must certainly be very rare.

    Probably too much to hope that a tin opener might finally be broaching this can of worms, at least as far as the general public is concerned.

    Not that they would care, as long as Corporation Street, Dead Enders and Enemadale were unaffected.

  482. David Ossitt says:
    November 3, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    Herbert Thornton November 3rd, 2013 – 13:21

    Thank you Herbert, I shall take a look at both.

  483. Verity says:
    November 3, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    A poster called Paulusm wrote the following on a column about David Cameron’s ineptitude and absurd ambitions:

    “Cameron thinks rebranding and changing the party name will bring vibrancy and more diversity : Conservative Coalition of Common Purpose.

    “Or, CCCP for simplicity.”

    Quite good.

  484. Radford NG says:
    November 4, 2013 at 1:24 am

    Suspected terrorist goes AWOL after leaving mosque disguised in a burka.Police lost Muhammed Mohamed of Somalia after he went into Acton mosque.SEE http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24799675

  485. John Jefferson Burns says:
    November 4, 2013 at 6:23 am

    Meanwhile back home many of my neighbours face bankruptcy because of the communist health law put thru by Maoist Obama.

    As reported in the Washington Post.

    If the poor, sick and uninsured are the winners under the Affordable Care Act, the losers appear to include some relatively healthy middle-income small-business owners, consultants, lawyers and other self-employed workers who buy their own insurance. Many make too much to qualify for new federal subsidies provided by the law but not enough to absorb the rising costs without hardship. Some are too old to go without insurance because they have children or have minor health issues, but they are too young for Medicare.

  486. Ostrich (occasionally) says:
    November 4, 2013 at 9:46 am

    I see the weeping, wailing Esther Rantzen is suffering publicity withdrawal symptoms again…

  487. Ostrich (occasionally) says:
    November 4, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Michael Roberts 3rd, – 16:24

    “I don’t believe I have ever seen Common Purpose actually mentioned in the MSM before. At any rate it must certainly be very rare.”

    I concede that it’s rare, but the Daily Mail (who reads that rag?) did a big, three page spread on it around six months ago. Mind, it had lots of photos so, having wasted the space it could have used for detailed description, it largely confined itself to a set of bullet points.

  488. Verity says:
    November 9, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    Robert C 2 November – “I do like the punch line:
    “Mother says her children will not be allowed trick or treating again”

    You don’t say which country this was in, but it it was Britai, the kids had no right to go trick or treating in the first place. It is a purely American holiday, with American, not British, morays behind it. It was born well over a hundred years ago in the US. Why are the British tryihg to climb onboard at this late date and, of course, doing it all wrong?

    It is about goblins and spooks from the other world. What does it have to do with half backed British starlets tryiing to look unusual enough to get their pictures ih the papers?

    Perhaps next could come krystallnacht from Germany. Yobs could go around throwing bricks through windows.

    Why the univeral greed to follow other people’s traditions, to whom these traditions have a history and mean something to their national psyches?

  489. Verity says:
    November 11, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    I’ve noticed a lot of the British wannaeee trick or treaters don’t know it is a children’s holiday in N America. They stop going trick or treat wheh they are around 13 or 14, if that.

    In Britain, many of the copycats are around 23, and very stupid and needy they look. Why do the Brtish always copy American traditions whcih they are not familiar with and don’t know the genesis of, and copy them with such ignorant gaucherie? They had photos in the papers yesterday of 20 year olds dressed up ih trick or treat costumes. Any American would shrivel up rather than go out in a Hallowe’en costume aged over 14 MAX.

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