The Coffee House Wall 11th/17th August

Posted on August 11, 2014

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283 thoughts on “The Coffee House Wall 11th/17th August”

  1. An interesting start to the week. The reality of Islam is becoming more apparent to all and is now hitting the headlines and social media. And the Conservative led Government is planning to collect Inheritance Tax before people die. Baroness Warsi suggests that the Conservatives will lose the next election if they don’t start sucking up to Pakistani immigrants a lot more.

    I hope that over the next few days and weeks people start asking themselves just how many jihadists and jihadi supporters are here in the UK among us, if 500+ have already gone to crucify, rape and murder Christian women and children in Syria and Iraq.

  2. Robert C, to be fair to Cameron, he is not swimming in de Nile, but has returned to his holiday on the Algarve, there not being anything happening in the world which requires his attention.

  3. In fact I see that Cameron has refused to disturb his holiday and recall Parliament to discuss the situation in Iraq. I understand that he will consider doing something if genocide is threatened, but clearly his definition of genocide has set a rather higher bar than that of most consumers of international news.

  4. Peter
    Why does he need to recall parliament. It will just be a charade for them to impotently spout on about stuff. We dont have the military capability to do anything meaningful. Out politicians should just shut up.

    And the name and email validation here is annoying. If you forget to fill in those fields it chucks up an error screen, but when you use the back button your post has gone. Grrrr.

  5. Peter from Maidstone
    August 11th, 2014 – 10:29
    Good morning, Peter
    I wager that Cameron will come rushing back if the people arise and physically start removing the towel heads from our once green and pleasant land.

  6. Alexsandr, there has to be some way of tracking people to prevent trolls. And people have already said they don’t want to have accounts. Your browser should ask if you want to remember the details and always fill them in.

  7. I think there are lots of things that Parliament should discuss, many of which are within our own authority. Things like the 500+ Muslims from Britain fighting with these groups. How many others are in the UK and have the same views. What should be done about councils and protesting groups flying the flags of terrorist groups. Should there be any sort of preferential asylum for Iraqi and Syrian Christians. What should be done to prevent any Muslim support or endorsement of an Islamic political agenda in the UK. What is to be done about closing down all Sharia courts. What is to be done about FGM and “honour killings” in the UK Muslim population.

    And many other such questions.

  8. peter
    if the required fields are not filled in then make them red and redisplay, leaving any data extant.
    Your error screen, when you used the back button used to leave the post intact but it changed some months ago.
    I have my browser set up to clear all data including cookies when i exit the browser.

  9. Remember those days of normality, before 2008, when the acronym “BO” merely indicated something that could be eliminated by a quick shower and a squirt of deodorant, rather than the poisonous miasma that then descended on Western Civilization and is destroying it? Will no one rid us of this turdulent pest?

  11. Alexsandr, it’s Word Press. I’m not in a position to hack it about too much because the next upgrade, and it has to be upgraded regularly for security reasons, would overwrite any changes. But I’ll see what can be done.

  13. Peter from Maidstone – 10:58 ‘the Return of Parliament’

    Exactly!

    Not out of any need for Continental wisdom 🙂 , but more out of amusement, I notice that Brussels hasn’t thought it necessary to impart any agenda that would help to protect us from this alien curse.

  15. Here’s looking forward to Cigar Chompin’ John Jefferson Burns’s Cornshire Diary, promised last week.

    One wonders what adventures he has been having since he last graced this forum – perhaps explaining Obama Care through a megaphone to bewildered groups of Cornish tin miners.

    Of no earthly relevance to them? That never stopped JJB before.

  16. Signed.

    Does the pisspoor excuse for a human being have an e-mail address, I wonder?

    Well, a quick check of the HoC website reveals :-

    george.galloway.mp@parliament.uk

    Fill your boots, Wallsters (and his inbox). I’ve made a start but don’t expect an answer (a bit like Skinner and his silence over Hattie and the perverts)

  18. Greenfield goes nuclear: a clinical, clear eye-eyed critique of today’s political elight’:

    http://sultanknish.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/hiroshimas-lessons-for-war-on-terror.html

    Could someone within Westminster bubble please forward this to Portugal where the alleged leader of the UK is sunning himself – and copy it to the wanker who has recently acquired the office of Foreign Secretary, who appears to have deluded himself into thinking that Britain is engaged in a ‘humanitarian exercise’.

    Oh how I remember the 1939 -45 mantra of the common man.

    “Oi! Dontcha know there’s a fuckin’ war on, you idiot!”

  20. Alkexandr.
    I too have signed, and proud to have done so. I would have made a donation but what with my eyesight (that’ a bloody laugh), and a complete ignorance of modern technology (Of which I am inordinately proud), the transaction failed to go through I tried several times with no success when I got to the point where it was a case of give up or put my boot through the damned contraption.

  21. The peerless Steyn wordsmithy continues to hammer out its prodigious supply of timely comment despite the irritating distraction of the ‘Nobbled – Prize’, Mann-Made Warmer :

    http://www.steynonline.com/6506/you-want-nazis

    How does he continue to garner and regurgitate the material for such whimsy, one wonders, without serious damage to his cerebral health? Phenomenal!

  22. Y’know – Goebbels missed a trick in the run-up to WWII. Had he invented the work ‘Naziphobia’, they would have won the war with hardly a shot fired.

  24. Clear Memories,

    I fear that the only way to deal with short-arsed demagogic Jocks of Irish heritage like Galloway is to ignore them. They preen and feed off being acknowledged. He has morphed into so many guises for this very reason, he thrives on being noticed and would probably proudly display your email as a scalp in his imaginary war with capitalism.

    The sad fact is that his arse is too close the ground and even with built-up shoes he’s still simply a poison dwarf. That’s what really bugs him. And of course he has more gate than a cow’s got c*nt.

    All marf and no trarsers.

  25. btw he should run as Mayor of London. Considering what the electorate there now comprises, in the main, he would probably win. Which would be a suitable fate for that ridiculous white elephant of a construct, currently held by another barmy clown with outlandish aspirations.

  26. Frank P@August 11th, 2014 – 15:58

    Ducks Disease = someone whose arse is too near the ground.

  27. PfM 11th, – 10:21

    “there not being anything happening in the world which requires his attention.”

    Quite right. He appointed several Ministers of State to do the necessary jobs and keep him informed. It’s called delegation.

    Up here the saying is, “Why keep a dog and bark yourself?”

  28. O(o) then none of those he has delegated to are doing their jobs and he should still come back. If 500+ Muslims have gone to fight with ISIS and other unsavoury Muslim groups in the Middle East we can be sure there are at least another 1000+ here who share the same lethal and violent views and are looking for an opportunity to put their bloody desires into practice.

  29. Peter,
    Absolutely, there is a fifth column embedded in our society which is a lethal threat to our wellbeing. The authorities are perfectly aware of who these people are but resolutely determined to ignore the dangers they represent. The Americans had no difficulty stripping Edward Snowdon of his citizenship and there is no reason why our government can not do the same and forbid their return to the UK. Sooner or later these disenchanted aliens will perpetrate a ghastly outrage, may will be killed, this is too high a price to pay for the multiculti pretensions of the ruling elite.

  31. RobertC,
    This is not bad news, it is inevitable and the sooner our leaders wake up to the fact the better, the longer the delay before taking action the worse things will be. There are parallels here with the situation in the thirties, when the ambitions of Hitler could have been nipped in the bud, but as often in the past the British government stuck its head in the sand, and for this wanton inertia millions paid with their lives and are still paying for that lack of action in what was the empire. I have a horrible feeling the same will happen regarding the threat Islam poses to our civilization. We will win in that confrontation but the price will be dreadful.

  32. Pepys’ Diary
    Saturday 10 August 1661

    “This morning came the maid that my wife hath lately hired for a chamber maid. She is very ugly, so that I cannot care for her, but otherwise she seems very good…”.

  33. Malfleur,
    Canny woman Pepys missus, but she obviously was not acquainted with the old saying “You don’t look at the mantelpiece when poking the fire”.

  34. ED BALLS and BILDERBERG

    A short while back I raised the question of Ed Ball’s participation in the Bilderberg conference in Copenhagen earlier this year. It did not provoke much comment.

    But I want to worry this rag somewhat.

    What exactly is Balls’ contribution to that group? Does he have some special expertise to bring them or is he receiving some special training for something? What is expected of him? Is he being prepared for something?

    Who knows? Who cares?

    Yet as early as 2007, Balls was attending these meetings. Copenhagen was not a one off. Back then though it was just “a junket”. Nothing serious, a blow-out, good drink and witty conversation, a bit of networking.

    Oh really?

    “Mr Balls, widely regarded as Gordon Brown’s closest adviser, travelled to Canada for the four-day conference of the shadowy Bilderberg Group of businessmen and politicians when he was Economic Secretary to the Treasury.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1560057/Taxpayers-foot-bill-for-Ed-Balls-junket.html

    As it is difficult to crystallize the meaning of an apparently amorphous group like Bilderberg, I think it may help to draw out its reality by focusing on one individual from our own political class and look as closely as possible as what his role is at these meetings – and of course between these meetings.

    Any ideas how to gather, sort and understand thoffice?e information on balls role in and out of

  35. Lord Balls of Bilderberg – further

    “The group’s rules insist that “all participants attend in a private and not an official capacity”.

    However, a Treasury spokesman said Mr Balls had attended “in his capacity as a minister” and confirmed that all expenses had been met from public funds.” (ibid)

  36. Good stuff on the Alex Jones Show yesterday with Pastor Chuck Baldwin, the state run churches in the USA and the real meaning of Romans Chapter 13.

    One hour into https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Msl-aFaOMSg

    It might “resonate” with those who are waiting for the Church of England, for instance, to speak out or to speak up differently on certain matters – especially the speaking of truth to power.

  39. Clare M Lopez, whose articles I have posted frequently in the past (she is, in my humble estimation, one of the best analysts in the West of the Middle East melee) emailed her latest analysis this morning:

    https://uk-mg42.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.partner=sky&.rand=cugenm39prgj7#5133525152

    Please read it all, it is worth your time.

  41. stephen maybery – 00:33 ‘This is not bad news’

    So true! It is when our Authorities, those paid by us to provide protection in this dangerous world, do nothing: that will be the bad news! 🙂

  43. Frank P – 10:14
    Brilliant – more common sense than I have seen in Downing Street or the (US) White House for many a good year. The last paragraph sums it up well, for Britain as well as the USA:
    “… the latest round in the Islamic world’s 1300 years of incessant chaos and warfare should be left to the belligerents to sort out. Regimes like Iran, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey that play all sides of the jihadi games have enabled a monster in IS that they can no longer control. They should be allowed to reap what they’ve sown. U.S. leadership has proven incapable of sorting out who’s who or who’s backing whom—not that it’s so simple, but rather that understanding who we are should probably come first, followed by some intensive thinking about a new national security strategy that prioritizes American interests.”

    I see BHO is on top form, leading tributes to Robin Williams. One is supposed to be
    a ‘comic genius’, though ‘genius comic’ might be more accurate, and the other hardly a comic, but they do say he is too clever to be the POTUS:

    Mark Steyn trolls political psychology idiot at UVirginia
    from 50 sec
    http://www.econjobrumors.com/topic/mark-steyn-trolls-political-psychology-idiot-at-uvirginia

  44. Interesting to see that Mark Simmonds, the most recently resigning minister, is doing so because the allowance of £30,000 a year is inadequate for him to rent a property in London so that his family can live with him. I’m not sure what sort of lifestyle he is used to. He recently sold a house for £1.2 million. But I’d have thought you could rent something reasonable somewhere in London for £30,000.

  48. Apologies for the poor quality, but the message is clear:

    The following is a narrative taken from a 2008 Sunday morning televised “Meet The Press’.

    General Bill Gann’ USAF (ret.) asked Obama to explain why he doesn’t follow protocol when the National Anthem is played. The General stated to Obama that according to the United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171 during rendition of the national anthem, when the flag is displayed, all present (except those in uniform) are expected to stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Or, at the very least, “Stand and Face It”.

    Senator Obama replied :

    “As I’ve said about the flag pin, I don’t want to be perceived as taking sides.” “There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression. The anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all that sort of thing.”

    “The National Anthem should be ‘swapped’ for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song ‘I’d Like To Teach the World To Sing’. If that were our anthem, then, I might salute it. In my opinion, we should consider reinventing our National Anthem as well as ‘redesign’ our Flag to better offer our enemies hope and love. It’s my intention, if elected, to disarm America to the level of acceptance to our Middle East Brethren. If we, as a Nation of warring people, conduct ourselves like the nations of Islam, where peace prevails – – – perhaps a state or period of mutual accord could exist between our governments …..”

    When I Become President, I will seek a pact of agreement to end hostilities between those who have been at war or in a state of enmity, and a freedom from disquieting oppressive thoughts. We as a Nation, have placed upon the nations of Islam, an unfair injustice which is why my wife disrespects the Flag and she and I have attended several flag burning ceremonies in the past”.

    .

  49. Baron August 12th, 2014 – 15:04

    “Apologies for the poor quality, but the message is clear:”

    If this report is true and I do not doubt your word for one moment, how did this dreadful man ever become the president pf the US of A?

  50. In regard to what I said about Cameron recalling Parliament, and Ostrich’s reasonable response that ministers act as his delegates. It seems that most of these delegates are also out of the country on holiday…

    The Prime Minister is in Portugal where officials insist he is in close touch with ministers and officials and is still running the country. His deputy, Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg, is in Spain. Home Secretary Theresa May is on an Alpine break, and First Secretary of State William Hague, who has been Mr Cameron’s official deputy in previous summers, is also abroad.

  54. Robin Williams and Spike Milligan were both cast from the same manic-depressive mould. Professor Asperger would have found each of them fascinating. Both brilliant, self-destructive clowns. Their legacy of laughter was good medicine for everybody except themselves. How sad the human condition can be.

  55. PfM 12th, – 16:52

    “It seems that most of these delegates are also out of the country on holiday…”

    Erm, ye-es. I didn’t expect quite so many to be off-piste right now. But…the Foreign Secretary and the Secretary of State for Defence are both in town, chairing COBRA meetings as I understand. I know they shouldn’t be too slack-mouthed about the results of their deliberations but, mightn’t we be allowed to gain an idea of just where they’re going with this? Or are they just stalling until ‘The Boss’ gets home?

  57. David Ossitt @ 16:51

    Apologies, David, Peter’s posting puts it right. Baron got the extract exactly as he posted it from his American friend, send him Peter’s response, hasn’t got a reply yet.

    The gist of the joke in regards the muslim world, however, rings true. It wouldn’t shock if the messiah did convert to Islam after his tenure, linked up with the ghastly Blair, the recent convert to Catholicism, to jointly ‘save’ the world from itself.

    Baron’s epiphany came when the leader of the country that is supposed to be the beacon of democracy, progress, humanity bla, bla bowed deeply to one of the world’s top despots. Strange we don’t seem to see this clip more often. When the video appeared as a topic on one of the blogs, Baron commented: ‘Another couple of inches and the earth may have shattered for the old man’. The posting failed to appaer, of course. The clip is true, it appeared on a number of TV channels.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WlqW6UCeaY

  58. Peter from Maidstone @ 16:52

    What exactly would the recalled House be asked to do, Peter?

    However much one can sympathise with the fate of the tribes down there we should stay away unless we were to do what general Sisi is doing in Egypt. Since we have no spare funds, no guts for any of it, limiting ourselves to charitable help should be enough.

  59. Baron, I’ve already described what it should be doing. Much of it should be concerned with identifying all those in the UK who support terrorism and especially those planning to go and kill. We have a Fifth Column in our midst. That should be their prime concern.

  62. When I visit Marks and Spencer I find myself offended in the food section. It is not the halal lamb, which I refuse to purchase, but a new dish they are selling called Kaffir Chicken. Of course we all know that Kaffir is the offensive term used by Muslims of those of us who do not share their views. It seems to me to be as offensive as N***r Chicken might be to some others.

  63. Peter from Maidstone @ 18:19

    Baron does admire the conviction of your dreams, Peter. Why on earth do you think those in charge would do any of it? They know, the’ve known for years, did BA. What would make them to change course today?

    Putin’s relief convoy entering eastern Ukraine would be a better reason for the boy to recall the House. it suits the political gnomes to be belligerent in a symmetrical way, he has WMD we have WMD, both parties threaten each other, shout, take measures designed to hit the other, the unwashed get hit both here and there.

    The asymmetrical warfare doesn’t suits the elites, they find it uncomfortable to war with men who use cleavers, AK-47s, planes as weapons. No money in it anyway, cleavers are cheap, no employment for the voters either.

    It will take more than the fleeing Yazidis, Christians in Iraq for our political class to wake up to the threat from the mutations of the ROP, Baron reckons.

  64. Peter from Maidstone
    August 12th, 2014 – 18:41

    dont shop there then

    or go in. put all the offending articles in a trolley, take them to a till, ring them through, then change your mind after a good dither and walk out.

  65. Cardinal Vincent Nichols states that we should aide the Christians in Iraq, quite right, but why no such demand from the Archbishop of Canterbury? No wonder the C of E is dying on its feet. I am amazed that the black flag of ISIS has not bee raised over lambeth Palace.

  67. Peter from Maidstone August 12th, 2014 – 18:19

    “Much of it should be concerned with identifying all those in the UK who support terrorism and especially those planning to go and kill. We have a Fifth Column in our midst. That should be their prime concern.”

    When we see and hear of British born Muslim men and boys leaving home and joining the Jihad we are told that this comes as a shock to their families back here in the UK.

    If there were only one or two of these cases then we might well buy the story that mum and dad had no idea that their lovely boy had gone abroad to behead Christians, Shia Muslims and Yasidi but it is not one or two cases it is many.

    My solution, no not solution more like what positive action we should take, would be where it can be proved that A. B or X has left these shores to commit jihad we should round up all his or her immediate family members and pack them off whence they came.

    Our simpering politicians would never countenance actions such as these, preferring the mantra that the majority of Muslims are good, kind, and of benefit to this country, all a load of bollocks.

  69. Peter.

    “Kaffir Chicken.”

    Not the same meaning as the Muslim Kaffir, I do believe it has Lime Leaves or lime fruit in the recipe and there id kaffir corn.

  72. It comes from the Kaffir Lime leaves used in the recipe, but it is noted that this name is offensive because it does use the term Kaffir, which does have the sense of unbeliever or infidel.

  73. David Ossitt @ 19:30

    Quite, David, except that we shouldn’t stop at families who incubated the jihadists fighting today in the ME or elsewhere, but expel also those whose sons or daughters commit crimes here in the name of the ROP like the two thugs who murdered Lee Rigby. It may sound harsh and uncivilised, but Baron reckons it would, at a stroke, cut the number of such cases to a minimum, reduce the load on the police, the secret service, make our lives safer.

    The first step to accomplish anything anywhere near such a solution would require our scrapping the uman rites yoke. Apparently, this is what the one with the penchant for Blahnik shoes is now saying. But then, could one believe her or any other of the politicians from the three main parties? Will they do what they are saying now after the election?

  74. Malfleur @ 03:19

    You can always write to the Transport House, ask them to explain his role, Malfleur.

  76. Peter f. M. at 12-48.

    Breitbart reports that the local party of Mark Simmonds MP (Boston and Skegness) is in disarray and UKIP is on the rise.Likewise in South Thanet (the Kent coast) Laura Sandys is standing down after one term.

    Cllr Pain (Boston) claims neither Simmonds nor his family have ever been seen at his official house in the constituency.(Comment from b.edwards)

  78. David Ossitt
    August 12th, 2014 – 19:30

    The number of terrorists on the United States terrorist “watch list” has been going up in proportion to the number of muslims allowed into the USA and the greatest concentration of “watchees” is in Dearborn, Michigan, which has the highest population of muslims in the country.

  79. Peter (17:34)

    Hancock/Howerd?

    Well, most comics probably use comedy as a defence mechanism – or so the shrinks claim.
    I found Hancock unfunny and felt that his supporting cast provided most of the humour. Howerd relied on queer innuendo for the most part and only came into his own later, with his satirical stuff. But both Milligan and (Robin) Williams were bi-polar. Their zany ‘comedic’ genius therefore emanated from what, by most psychological yardsticks, would be described as insanity. Insanity can be packaged and exploited as comedy by showbiz parasites who have made money from freaks since time began. Bread and circuses.

    .

  80. However …. neither Milligan nor Williams were as insane as the current mad bunch of bastards that currently have their bloodstained mitts on the levers of power of what was once ‘Western Civilization’. And they are arranging their own suicide without realizing it. Problem is, they will take the rest of us with them when they go.

  81. I know there is a lot going on in the world at the moment, but news about MH17 went very silent quite suddenly.
    And what about the secret trial that we were not meant to know was even under way.

  82. John birch,
    Yes john, MH17 has disappeared off the radar, nothing surprising there, another day, another sensation to chase up. That’s news reporting for you in this age of wonders. We live in a superficial era, run by superficial people. As Frank so rightly said, they will take the rest of us with them when they go.

  85. Baron

    I am not fully confident of getting the craic on Lord Balls of Bilderberg from Transport House.

    I remain surprised that no one has any interest in what he was doing with the B. Group from at least 2007 to 2014. Whatever it was, I am sure it was all completely harmless, don’t you?

    In the meantime,I don’t want to risk yet again denting confidence in the vigorous recovery of the world economy, but…

    http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2014/8/13_World_War_III,_Total_Global_Collapse_%26_The_Greatest_Depression.html

  86. P.S. I noted in the supermarket today that a half pound of salted New Zealand butter, Anchor brand, has gone up 18% since the last time I looked – which was certainly some time within the last 12 months…

  89. Peter
    “I would suggest that Parliament should require all sermons preached in all mosques in the UK to be recorded and submitted for monitoring.”

    If the preachings of imams are to be monitored presumably you will also acquiese to the similar review of all other preachers, christian or otherwise. In fact, where should it stop? Should all teaching be ‘regulated’, or any discussion involving more than ,say, three people?
    What Ministry will do the monitoring? How quickly will it morph into the ‘Ministry of Truth?’ What politically correct, marxist dogma will underpin their principles for review? How will we ‘re-educate’ offenders?
    The fact is, that the means to actually monitor all public debates and even conversations are now widely available. It’s by no means inconceivable that a government in the near future could, and will, actually require us all to record our every utterance for review and possible re-education.

  90. Noa, I see no reason for Christian preachers to be monitored. It is political correctness which would demand that. We know that of all those preaching and encouraging violence 99% are Muslims. Therefore all the attention should be on Muslims. Their preaching should be monitored for such encouragement to violence. I would imagine it to be quite straightforward. Yes, I do think all Muslim teaching should be monitored. It is Islam which threatens our survival not Christianity.

  92. Peter.

    Hmmmmmmmm. Selective monitoring eh? I rather doubt it will work…
    And again I ask, who will police it, what will be considered acceptable and who will judge?
    Once established, such apparatus of the state, like the Stasi, or the NKVD tend to grow exponentially.
    I suspect your solution would secure the very repression you are seeking to prevent.

  93. Malfleur @ 11:43

    These brainy men, for it seems it’s almost exclusively a male dominated crowd (the German Frau being one of the few exceptions), are plotting to take over the world yet they’ve failed to secure the domain name for their outfit? All one has to do, Malfleur, is to get the feminist warriors interested, the progressive wimin will sort them out in no time.

    http://www.bilderberg.org/

  94. Noa, I do wish Islam to operate under strict conditions in the UK. And who would object to selective monitoring? It is a fact that Muslims are a much greater threat than non Muslims.

  95. Peter from Maidstone @ 13:18

    In a free country, Peter, one should be free ‘to think what one likes and say what one thinks’. This, as you know, is Seneca talking, but the sentiment’s right. Doing what you suggest would actually achieve what the jihadists are after, the curtailment of one of the most precious freedoms, because if that were to happen, there is but a short step to formal censorship.

    In the past, in the very recent past when Frank was at it, the security services had informers infiltrating groups suspected of plotting against the state. We could have the same system with the added safeguard of a judge’s approval. Cheaper, discreet, and more effective. Most likely the MI5 is running such surveillance now, but without the judicial input, not something Baron likes either.

  96. Peter

    “…who would object to selective monitoring?”

    The Equality Act, brought into effect by the Coalition, and its implementers, would deem it discriminatory.

  97. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 @ 13:25

    Barron’s favorite is goat milk butter, Anne, (and goat milk, goat cheese, goat yogurt), so much so that the boss says the barbarian smells like a billy. It’s easier to digest, contains less lactose and tastes good.

    The Japanese are apparently the worst digesters of milk, no cows till the Meiji restoration (明治維新), hence suffer from cancer if they indulge too much. The Irish, the Czechs are at the other end of the scale, that’s if one takes Matt Ridley’s word for it.

  98. Baron
    August 13th, 2014 – 14:3
    Hi, Baron
    I like goat milk products too, but all in moderation.

  99. RobertC @ 09:49

    But that’s OK, Robert, it’s the Palestinians using the ambulances. If it were the Israelis, the BBC, Jon Snow, the other Jew hating crowd would be banging about it no end.

    Have you noticed how many column inches, video coverage, yapping have been devoted in favour of the Palestinians? It’s as if they are the only ones suffering in an armed conflict. When Jon Snow said he couldn’t sleep because he couldn’t erase from his memory the eyes of a young Palestinian girl he met when in Gaza, Baron did a posting saying (roughly): ‘Young girls with eyes that haunt can also be found in Ukraine, Sudan, other places where savagery rules. Is there any reason you’ve chosen to look into the eyes of a Palestinian girl, not the eyes of the others? They all pain, but shouldn’t, deserve to have a childhood that you would wish for your own daughter’.

    Why, do you reckon, the posting failed to appear?

  100. Baron, in a free country it is never an exercise of freedom to encourage and facilitate violence against that free society. How on earth is it a matter of free speech for an Imam to preach that Muslims should go onto the streets and kill the infidel?

    If people are not willing to restrict the ability of Islam to achieve its goals then we might as well give up.

  101. The Equality Act is subversive of our British society and must also go. Why on earth should we act like sheep and consider that nothing can change and we must just put up with it? No wonder we are where we are.

  102. Malfleur @ 12:04

    From where Baron stands, Malfeur, everyone’s looking younger than him. That’s ageing for you, but then one shouldn’t begrudge getting old, it’s a privilege denied to many.

  105. Peter from Maidstone
    August 12th, 2014 – 16:52
    “The Prime Minister is in Portugal where officials insist he is in close touch with ministers and officials and is still running the country. His deputy, Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg, is in Spain….”

    What on earth is the point of having a Deputy PM if they are both going to be away at the same time? Surely the main reason for having a DPM is to ensure there is someone in charge all the time. In other words, Clegg’s “title” is merely a sweetener to keep the Libs happy, and has no significance whatsoever.

  106. Lesley C.@August 13th, 2014 – 15:34

    maybe cameron needs someone to go to Subways to get his lunch for him….

  107. Lesley C.
    August 13th, 2014 – 15:34
    Surely it is better for normal, decent citizens that Leggover is abroad and not here to brew his mischief.

  108. Lesley C. – 15:34
    PfM

    The unexpected has happened, in No10 that is!

    Everywhere else it has been a foregone conclusion, yet the Police are only investigating whether men have breached terror laws!

    ‘The dawn of a new era has begun’: ISIS supporters hand out leaflets in London’s Oxford Street encouraging people to move to newly proclaimed Islamic State
    * Central London shoppers were encouraged to ‘resettle’ in Syria and Iraq
    * Scotland Yard is investigating whether men have breached terror laws

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2723703/The-dawn-new-era-begun-ISIS-supporters-hand-leaflets-Oxford-Street-encouraging-people-newly-proclaimed-Islamic-State.html

    At last:

    David Cameron flies home for emergency Iraq meeting as Britain is warned: Send troops now or face Isis terror attacks on home soil

    Iraq crisis: Europe edges closer to military action against Isis as horrific details emerge of Yazidi nightmare on Mount Sinjar

    Survivors describe a people trapped under sniper fire and girls ‘throwing themselves off the mountain’
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iraq-crisis-britain-told-to-up-the-ante-with-military-action-against-isis-as-horrific-details-emerge-of-yazidi-nightmare-on-mount-sinjar-9665633.html

    This women needs re-educating:

    “One Muslim woman who confronted the men, believed to be from Luton and linked to hate preachers Anjem Choudary and Omar Bakri, said she was racially abused.
    Asmaa Al-kufaishi, tweeted: ‘This group are promoting ISIS on Oxford Street. Racially abused us when we spoke out. They don’t know Islam.
    ‘Promoting death of innocent people, telling me to die because of my faith and race and insulting me is not Islamic behaviour.'”

    Has she not read the Koran?

  109. Pro ISIS agitators have been pictured in one of London’s busiest tourist districts, Oxford Street, this afternoon.

    The gaggle of men were standing in front of signs that read ‘Khilafah’ (caliphate) ‘The Dawn of a new Era’. They were said to be handing out flyers that read the following:

    “After many attempts and great sacrifices from the Ummah of Islam throughout the world, the Muslims with the help of Allah have announced the re-establishment of the Khilafah and appointed an Imam as Khaleef”.

    Difficult one this.
    On one hand they are traitorous bastards who should be arrested, but on the other hand they should be encouraged to send as many there as possible.
    At least when they are in one place it should be easier to know where the target is.

  110. The ROP at its best:

    ‘You are not too young to die’: The British jihadists bidding to recruit boys as young as 15 on social media sites
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2723346/Youre-not-young-die-British-jihadists-bid-recruit-boys-young-15-social-media-sites.html

    PfM – What were you saying, only in the last day or so?

    Independent: Kurdish presidential advisor warns that Britain and the rest of the world face the threat of terror attacks at home if they do not fight Isis in the Middle East

    Has Cameron realised that it is not cricket we are playing! And that ‘unrest’ is so close by? So many people understand it, but they are just normal, average people in the street, with average jobs! They can see it, yet our Cabinet cannot, or will not, admit it!

    Suspended sentences, in the law abiding sense, or short periods in gaol will not deter!

  113. In our Christian based society and culture corruption is based on the breaching of the Christian moral code which has been the shared basis of our civilization for 1500 years. If we are not seeking to preserve this Western Christian based society then we might as well let the jihadists take control now. If we are seeking to preserve our valuable Christianised society and culture then it is fairly easy to determine what corruption means.

    The Guardian is already corrupt. All those organisations and institutions infested with cultural marxism are already corrupt by definition. PC is corrupt by definition.

  114. Frank P
    August 13th, 2014 – 17:21
    Frank, she really was lovely. It seems so sad that after the tragic death of Robin Williams, we now have yet another great character to mourn. I know it is wicked to wish evil on others, but without giving names, I can think of many vile creatures who I wish would quit this mortal coil. May Robin find the serenity he lacked in this harsh world, and I hope Lauren is united with her true love, Bogey.

  115. One plus side…the BBC is bound to be running a whole slew of old Bogie & Bacall movies. 🙂

  116. Peter from Maidstone August 13th, 2014 – 17:41

    “The Guardian is already corrupt. All those organisations and institutions infested with cultural marxism are already corrupt by definition. PC is corrupt by definition.”

    We watched a pre-recorded program last night “Alan Titchmarsh” doing up some worthy recipients back garden. This episode the garden in question was owned by a children’s nurse a black woman who has done much good work and has received an honour for her endeavours, indeed a worthy person to receive this garden make over.

    What spoilt it for me was the fact that in one scene she was telling an audience of the worthy work of the black nurse Mary Seacole.

    The trouble is Mary Seacole was not a nurse, and most what is said of her is PC garbage, our children sit exams where they have to provide answers that are bogus in order to pass these exams.

    Only last week ground was blessed where they intend to have a memorial statue in the grounds of St. Thomas’ hospital.

    Gove did his best by removing Mary Seacole from school syllabus but PC madness prevails.

  117. 1 hour ago

    Scotland Yard is examining whether leaflets that were handed out in the West End encouraging British Muslims to join an extremist group are in breach of anti-terror laws.

    This garbage appears on the BBC web. Just imagine if the leaflets were issued by the IRA, or even ‘worse’ the EDL. Would Scotland Yard have to scratch their heads deciding if a crime had been comitted?

  119. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 @ 21:49

    What’s the odds, Anne, the police, the CPS decide there’s nothing to be done there, ‘let’s move on’, as the great Mark Steyn says.

  120. Baron
    August 13th, 2014 – 22:03
    Baron, as Victor Meldrew would say, “I don’t believe it”!

  121. Just bumped into Michael Portillo in the Crieff Hydro. He and I were waiting for a lift. Was willing to talk for a few minutes. I told him how much I enjoyed all his railway programmes and especially that they were about the people and places he visited rather than himself. He was in the hotel filming a new episode.

  124. Noa
    August 13th, 2014 – 12:59
    Peter
    ““I would suggest that Parliament should require all sermons preached in all mosques in the UK to be recorded and submitted for monitoring.”
    If the preachings of imams are to be monitored presumably you will also acquiese to the similar review of all other preachers, christian or otherwise. In fact, where should it stop? ”

    Why “presumably”?

    ” In fact, where should it stop?” At the mosques.

  125. Incidentally, there have been those who in recent months have subscribed quite happily to the idea that the NSA in the United States and GCHQ in the United Kingdom working no doubt with the NSA monitor all emails, telephone conversations and so far as possible other communications of each and every citizen, subject, and inhabitant. This was not “news” but was given further publicity by Edward Snowden.

    This happy support is given in the name of the principle of ‘defence of the realm’.

    I have objected the that principle in those circumstances, though not much debate has been offered on what is a somewhat serious subject.

    There is also a strong argument that ‘carpet listening in’ is ineffective even where defence of the country would otherwise be appropriate because the quantity of information gathered is so huge that there is no way to find the terrorist needle in the national family’s haystack.

    What should be done is to pinpoint the possible terrorists and listen to THEM. That might of course mean largely narrowing down present coverage from the Mrs. Duffys and your grandad to…the mosques.

    The technological competence by the “security” agencies is of course mainly used by criminal commercial/political interests to gather information on politicians and business competitors which can be used to blackmail them into supporting policies of the criminal elements interested in our ‘governance”.

    I therefore believe that Noa’s objection to monitoring what is said in mosques is misconceived.

    By extension, a case could also be made that a true security service would be identifying and monitoring those who are in this way abusing the collection of intel and reporting its findings to a parliament which would arrest, try, and jail those elements for criminal activity and abuse of power in the service of subverting the constitution.

    The operation of a free constitution requires a generally fair and moral people.

    I am afraid that a root and branch approach is needed. Is UKIP up to it?

  126. Anne Wotana Kaye 1
    August 13th, 2014 – 13:25

    I am having to buy my butter in Manila at present unfortunately. It used to be 100 pesos but yesterday I noticed it was 119 pesos (US$1=Pesos43). The supermarket had just reorganised and renovated its branch which may have provided an opportunity for the surge.

    This Anchor butter advertises itself as pure New Zealand butter and is the cheapest butter on the shelves. Your French is of course sky high. I hope that Anchor butter in London is indeed made from the milk of your English cow. This is what I buy though:

    http://www.anchorbutter.com/

    Even though there seem to be many goats here, though few cows – or rather what I would call a cow (there are tough old field workers called carabao), I have not seen goat’s milk on sale. Coconut milk is more popular!

    https://dinoacuna.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/philippine-carabao-with-kids-001.jpg

    Hence no goat’s cheese except that imported from France at great cost – also my wife would attempt to ban the stinky kind of goat’s cheese on the basis of – its stink. I lurv it when I can get it – the stinkier the better – and for the same reason when in China like to eat their “stinky doufu” (臭豆腐).

    I was talking to someone yesterday about a technique for raising pigs in pits filled with straw which can be located in your back garden near the back door WITH NO SMELL! The straw is in due course removed and spread on the fields as fertilizer. And i have also received an executive summary for raising cattle anywhere which comes from the USA but which I will pass on to people here together with details of heat-resistant English chickens. In face of the coming food shortage, this is know-how worth importing here and may be there will in due course be Anchor butter made in the Philippines, stinky goat’s cheese, and who knows even a decent free range brown speckled English egg. We can dream…

  127. Just watched Zenab Badawi on Hard Talk interviewing Masrour Barzani, the head of security and intelligence of the Kurdish region of Iraq. He wiped the floor with her, despite her hostility and obvious bias against the Kurdish faction. Well worth half an hour of your time if you can get it with BBC iPlayer. Barzani stands head and shoulders above the wankers who allegedly are looking after the West’s interests to combat the jihad. He is articulate, logical and we need to encompass him in our efforts to rearm the Kurds and get a grip of the humanitarian catastrophe. The Israelis and the Kurds are our only true allies in the region; we are betraying them by lack of support and failing to confront both Hamas and ISIS.

  128. “Like the Roman, I see the Tiber foaming with blood”. Enoch was right, which was why they shut him up. Will they do the same to us? I rather think that was an accomplished fact long since achieved. How long before Magna Cartar is declared and outmoded and racist document. Don’t laugh, many a foul prediction uttered in jest.

  129. The Vatican has approved bombing ISIS (aka IS, aka Al Qaeda) to save Christian lives. Good.

    It is too bad it has also supported the throwing open of the US border with Mexico.

  130. Malfleur
    August 14th, 2014 – 00:49
    You certainly have an interesting life travelling to so many places. Yes, you are right, nothing like a free range English egg for breakfast, especially if it is the brown speckled kind. Don’t forget the soldiers!!! 🙂

  131. The word in the real media is that Edward Snowden is about to disclose “a smoking gun” that the government believes would be the end of them politically.

    Now that would be what I would call defence of the realm!

    http://www.infowars.com /snowden-theres-a-holy-sh_t-smoking-gun-revelation-coming/

  133. PFM 23.12

    Coming to a city near you soon.
    If it happens once ,by agreement anywhere ,that will be the next battleground .
    Not in some far distant country you don’t have any interest in.

  134. Malfleur

    “I therefore believe that Noa’s objection to monitoring what is said in mosques is misconceived.”

    I made no such statement. Please read again what I have written in my posts.

    I pointed out to Peter that his comment (repeated below) had serious implications. Do you seriously believe that any British government, given carte blanche to monitor public meetings, would not misuse such powers, using them to spy and control all citizens whom it considered threats to the polity?

    “I would suggest that Parliament should require all sermons preached in all mosques in the UK to be recorded and submitted for monitoring.”

    The illiberal and unsafeguarded use of such powers by a totalitarian state is as great a threat to our liberty as fundamentalism is to our judaeo-christian values and society.

  135. Peter from Maidstone@August 13th, 2014 – 23:12

    A muslim colony on spitsbergen
    whats not to like.

  136. Noa,
    You are right in your assertion that powers to monitor religious preaching would soon be abused by the authorities, that outcome is guaranteed. It is not new and intrusive laws that are needed here, it is decisive action to deal with the problem. All the trouble stems from Islam, this religion is virulently antagonistic to our Judeo-Christian civilisation, and has to be removed from our midst. These people have come to our shores and proved beyond any doubt that they are unwilling to accept our standards and way of life. There is only one way to resolve this situation, Muslims must be removed from our midst. Unless this is done all we can do is sit back and watch while we become marginalised in out own country. The left wing intelligentsia will object to this, so remove them as well, they would not enjoy life in a Muslim theocracy paying jizya.

  139. RobertC @ 10:11

    Witty, true, well executed, but Baron doesn’t see it running here, too sensitive for our friends.

  141. “…will the next Mayor of London be a Muslim?”

    Certainly he, she (or it), will not be a Christian.

  142. Stepen Maybery – 09.57

    I suspect that any attempts at assimilation within Britain, Europe and the West, or forcible removal, will fail, perhaps bloodily, that in consequence we will move initially to a Lebanon-like situation and that eventually we will be engulfed by all-out civil war with the diasporas which have established themselves.

  144. stephen maybery @ 09:57

    Whatever solution one may come up with one thing is undeniably true, stephen, we need not more statutes, but fewer. Scrapping the uman rites yoke together with some other minority related statutes would free us to have a go at solving the problem.

    As an example: the woman who sent money to her jihadist hubby should serve her term, then get kicked out of the country, which isn’t doable in the current legal environment.

  145. Noa (11.04)

    Your suspicions are sound. Based on both logical deduction and clear evidence.

    “… eventually we will all be engulfed by all-out civil war with the Diasporas which have established themselves.”

    If you emend that sentence to “with and between the diasporas” then I concur entirely with what you prescient fears.

    Moreover, the least represented and powerful of those factions will be the indigenous natives of England.

    Hagel’s bullshit last night, in his attempt to diminish both the threat and humanitarian crisis was eagerly embraced by Cameron this morning. It is a conspiracy of cowards. So far I see nobody in either the ‘administration’ or the various factions of the ‘opposition’ with all the Western governments capable of the leadership to halt the forces of evil. Dire!

  146. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 August 14th, 2014 – 02:58

    Waitrose sell the ‘Burford Brown Eggs’ they are splendid.

  147. Baron,
    I am in absolute agreement with you. Yuman rights, equalities and the rest of the social engineering tripe has to go as a matter of urgency. But above and beyond all else the judiciary has to be cut down to size. It is the function of Parliament to enact laws, it is the function of the judges to administer those laws, administer not interpret according to political bias and notions as to what society should be like. In the past 25 years the judiciary has been allowed to run amok through our constitutional conventions, with the result that we are paying a terrible price in regard to freedoms which my generation took for granted and which the modern generation is totally ignorant of due to the excising of basic history from the curriculum.

  150. David Ossitt
    August 14th, 2014 – 12:36
    Yes, David, they are nice. Whole Foods sell various types of egg, but are rather expensive.

  152. Alexsandr
    August 14th, 2014 – 15:57
    Don’t make me cry! From childhood, and much of my adult life I kept chickens. Alas I now live in a hideous town flat, no garden, not even window boxes allowed, bugger all, in fact. Still on the subject of ovum, I find the free range eggs from Sainsbury surprisingly good, Never had a bad one and they really taste good.

  153. Alexsandr – 15:57
    The eggs at our Farmers’ Market are between one and two days old.

  154. So now it is Cliff’s turn to face the inquisition, surely they must be fast running out of celebs to skewer, at this rate they will be digging up Caruso to face allegations of sex abuse.

  155. It seems extremely unlikely that Cliff Richard was involved in anything with a boy at a Billy Graham crusade meeting in 1985. Almost inconceivable that what seems to be the sole accusation is placed in such a context.

  158. Eggs. I grew up on a poultry farm. The best eggs by far are from hens that roam freely in the fields. Eggs (whether free range or not) keep their eating quality for several weeks – but certainly will have deteriorated during the 5 months cited by Alexandre.

  159. Alexandre (Aug 14th @ 19.10) –

    I expect the Dutch will go on tolerating it even after the fanatics have started to murder Jews in Holland.

    It makes me wonder why the problem with Islam is still described as a “clash of civilisations”. It isn’t. The world’s civilisations are all co-existing reasonably well.

    What we are seeing is a frighteningly growing clash between civilisations on the one hand and increasingly organised barbarism on the other.

  160. Anne Wotana Kaye 1 August 14th, 2014 – 17:03

    “Don’t make me cry! From childhood, and much of my adult life I kept chickens.”

    My father spent the first two years of the Second World War serving in Canada and whilst he was there he took a postal course in keeping and rearing poultry, almost the first thing he did once Demobbed was to build a hutch and hen run.

    Rhode Island Reds and both Black and White Leghorns were his favourites, I can still taste mothers chicken soup.

  161. Herbert Thornton@August 14th, 2014 – 19:23

    a fresh egg when broken inrto the pan ill stay in a neat shape about 3=4 inches in diameter
    an older egg will run all over the pan

    nothing like getting a still warm egg from the nesting box and cooking it straight away.

  162. Herbert Thornton,
    You are absolutely right, we are not witnessing a clash of civilisations but an assault on civilisation by a brutal medieval cult. I cannot but compare the hysteria manufactured against Russia, who wishes us no harm and the silence regarding Islam which wishes us every harm possible and is actually engaged in bringing that desired end to fruition.

  166. Something that I have been wondering for some time, especially as we are now seeing the finer points of islamic law being enacted in newspaper photographs and on our screens, what the hell have all these professors of comparative religion been doing for the last hundred years or so?

    Surely, I cannot believe that none of them have chosen this ROW when picking a few to compare with each other.

  167. David Ossitt
    August 14th, 2014 – 19:35
    David, not enough these eggy postings, now we are into chicken soup! I remember the lovely ‘unborn’ eggs (without shells) that we put into the soup. Really super. Now of course, ‘elf and safety’ have banned their sale. Also, chicken feet, a great addition to the soup, as once the outer skin is removed with boiling water, before placing in the soup, they help to make a lovely meaty base.

  169. Something a little more enlightening, in this sombre time, to remind us how lucky we have been in the West and how precious what we have is to mankind:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/08/the_truth_about_science_and_religion.html

    The only thing I would like to add is that the Church didn’t mind Galileo’s theory. The problem was that he said it was reality, the Earth circling the Sun, with circles being a heavenly property. The fact that the Earth’s orbit is an ellipse, so making the Church correct, because of its conservative behaviour, is the final twist in the tail. It also occurred with Einstein’s Theories. Many thought that Newtonian Mechanics was not only a good description, they thought it was reality.

    I am sure it will happen again, but I think Climate Science is too poor an example to count as a mistake by Scientists. It is mistake by politicians.

  170. Anne Wotana Kaye 1

    The Chinese wouldn’t understand you removing the skin…

    You can have my portion by the way.

  171. Malfleur
    August 14th, 2014 – 23:11

    Malfleur
    August 14th, 2014 – 23:11
    Anne Wotana Kaye 1

    You can have my portion by the way.

    Thanks, with pleasure.

    Seriously, I am so sick of reading about Cliff Richards et al that I have turned to comfort food.
    Good night to you all.

  172. Herbert Thornton
    August 14th, 2014 – 19:23 and other eggtertainers

    My parents had one of those gardens in a strip extending from the back of the house parallel and of equal size to the neighbours’. Lawn, rock garden (ah, the scent of it and the bees and butterflies!), frieze of trees and bushes, vegetable garden with also room for a little rhubarb, a small strawberry patch and a few raspberry canes, and red, white and blackcurrant bushes (is there jam still for tea?), orchard of one each apple, quince, damson and cherry plum tree (am I the only one to have eaten those in the branches?) which were netted off with chicken wire, still not entirely fox-proof, with a dozen or so chickens running around, then a shed and an area for burning grass and other rubbish (on top of an old air-raid shelter that had flooded as soon as built, and then Farmer Green’s fields beyond.
    The chickens pecked around, but were also indulged by my mother who would regularly make them a great stewed mash of potato peel etc. – great eggs of course, with the bantam’s eggs especially prized, though all of them from time to time went broody and had to have a ceramic egg stuck under them in their little wooden nesting house.

    With impending food shortages, those intensely-cultivated gardens and the allotments which were down the road and called “the Allotmens” (along with the shops at the top of the hill about a mile away which were called ,by us, “the Top Shops”), may come back into fashion.

    If anyone therefore needs to know how to keep a pig in a pit of hay outside their back window without a stink, I can probably find out – though I don’t think there’s much more to it than that – and of course having somewhere to put the used hay…

  173. Baron
    August 14th, 2014 – 21:42

    Smashing! Thank you! I am watching a bit at a time…and it’s so good I am not going to post for others and your particular attention the link to an article which, if read, might dent confidence in the economy and in just about everything else now coming down the pike.

    Let’s hope Glyndebourne survives the new Dark Ages and may they be brief, though I have never had an opportunity to attend. A friend of mine, the Godfather of one of my sons, took out a membership for him as a kind of christening present. Unfortunately, at an age when he should be straining every nerve to get back to England to take it up, he seems more interested in computer games…

  174. Michael Savage is the US American talk show host who has been banned from entry into the United Kingdom by the most recent Home Secretaries of the last two governments for no reason that those Right Honourable Clots have been able or prepared to give.

    As a footnote to the Robin Williams business then:

    ““Committing suicide is the most outrageously aggressive and selfish act you can commit against your family,” Savage declared

    http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/michael-savage-helps-radio-caller-reject-suicide/#cymmxWhtsfr7p2uf.99

  175. Noa zrk @ 21:51

    That piece, Noa, goes further than any one before. It should be in print, too.

  176. Malfleur – your link proves that Savage is basically a good guy telling the world the truth and that the powers-that-be are frightened shitless by the truth. There can be no other justification for his banning from the UK – he is certainly no threat, except to the politicians.

  177. However, I just saw in the DM that Robin Williams was suffering from the early stages of Parkinson’s disease.

  178. Attention should be paid to what is happening in Ferguson, Missouri. Para-military federalised police without provocation are attacking journalists, including those in the mainstream, with tear gas and rubber bullets and then sending in swat teams to dismantle the journalists’ cameras.

    In effect, the federal government under the stooge president led in turn by…are militarisng state, county and local police and, in this case, practising provocations which may be aimed at deliberately starting a civil wr in the USA.

    Last week, I cited the declassified CIA report of the 1960s in which a decision was taken to promote the expression “conspiracy theory” with pejorative connotations to characterise any “narrative” diverging from the official line.

    Please watch at least the first ten minutes of yesterday’s Alex Jones Show at the following link and keep that CIA report in mind when considering where the truth lies. A major national disaster is being concocted in the USA which will be very bad news for all of us if successful:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7-lt8wpdyU

  180. @RobertC 14th, – 23:11

    “Many thought that Newtonian Mechanics was not only a good description, they thought it was reality.”

    Once more accurate observations become available, if they don’t agree with principles, then you have to reexamine the principles. So it is with climate change. I’m exceedingly suspicious of the ‘proxies’ used to infer temperatures, precipitation etc of 150 to 350 years in the past, especially when they’re then added to the very short term graphs constructed from modern ‘accurate’ data.

    Newton, principles fitted the observations of the time and, better than that, they were SIMPLE. So much so that, instead of using relativistic calculations during the Apollo missions, which would have strained the computing ability of the time, NASA used Newtonian mechanics but applied a set of ‘offsets’ to them. It worked fine.

    But Voyager I and II’s paths beyond the Solar System, calculated using Einsteinian mathematics, are observed to be following paths that deviate from the calculations. What now, Batman?

  181. Noa
    August 14th, 2014 – 09:27

    At some cost to maintenance of the tranquil mind, as recommended above I have re-read your posts or at least your post of August 13th, 2014 – 12:59, where you write :

    “If the preachings of imams are to be monitored presumably you will also acquiese to the similar review of all other preachers, christian or otherwise. In fact, where should it stop? Should all teaching be ‘regulated’, or any discussion involving more than ,say, three people?…”.

    In reference to those reflections, I wrote in part:

    “I therefore believe that Noa’s objection to monitoring what is said in mosques is misconceived.”

    To which you asserted “I made no such statement”. (Noa
    August 14th, 2014 – 09:27).

    Well ,forgive me, but the natural meaning of your words, albeit expressed in a rhetorical question rather than a statement, is that you object to the monitoring of what is said in mosques because it would not be possible to stop at monitoring the mosques but would have to extend to all religions, teaching, nay where two or three are gathered together, which is of course the Chinese style of oppression.

    I believe that view to be misconceived. A government which truly represented the interests of the people – and the day is long in coming – would find no more difficulty by law in limiting its surveillance of mosques to the surveillance of mosques than the Metropolitan Police would say they have in listening in to the mafia without spilling over into bugging the HQ of UKIP.

    Do you object to the monitoring of what is said and done in mosques – a pretty dreary task for whomever be assigned, but a policeman’s lot…?

  182. Malfleur

    I find it strange that people who profess to be libertarians, such as Peter and yourself, are content to advocate totalitarian powers and methodollogies to control their ideological opponents.
    The State’s right and ability to survey us is already comprehensive and it is seeking to increase it in the name of ‘security’.
    To exemplify my concern let us imagine that a future government, concerned about Northern Irish Loyalist and Republican ‘terrorism’, passes a law monitoring all church sermons there.
    Would you be comfortable with this? I, for one, would not.
    The problem is that what Peter advocates requires powers being granted to the state which are ultimately foreign to our constitution and a threat to our traditional liberties.
    “Terrorism” is ultimately a state created offence to control its enemies. Our liberties are better served if threats to the person and property are addressed through the criminal law. Reasonable suspicion of a breach of the law, examined by a magistrate or judge, and time bound for review, should be the basis of issuing any warrant for surviellance.

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  184. Malfleur et al

    Please ignore the last two lines of my last post- which are the result of a my failure to edit exrtraneous material.

  186. I’m not a libertarian. I am a conservative.

    There is already manifest evidence that mosques are being used to foment criminal activity. I have never suggested any totalitarian solution. That those places where 99% of terrorism in the UK is encouraged should be the focus of investigation is not totalitarianism.

  187. Peter

    To revert to your initial comment:-

    “I would suggest that Parliament should require all sermons preached in all mosques in the UK to be recorded and submitted for monitoring.”

    Be careful what you wish for. Every sermon, and every conversation in every mosque or out of it, by a muslim is by logical extension of your definition, ‘criminal activity’.
    This implies a presumption of guilt, which is against every fibre of our constitution, with enabling laws easily extended to any opponent by any government.
    Would you be happy for your church services to be so monitored? And by whom? Under present laws, (the Equality Act was enabled remember, by the present government), you might well find yourself charged with racially or religiously aggravated offences.
    Certainly this is an approach which accurately reflects the ‘new’ conservatism of Cameron, May and is indeed the consensus of the political elite of all hues.
    I am totally opposed to it.

  188. Does anyone think that Cameron is a conservative?

    But allowing anything is not conservatism, though it may be libertarianism. Libertarianism will drown us all. Why should my church services be monitored? Conservatism by definition must seek to preserve and sustain our Christian heritage, civilization and culture. Islam is fundamentally opposed to our way of life. My church services certainly are not.

  189. There is no money for certain state-of-the art cancer drugs, NICE, the ill-named dictators have pronounced this. Yet , money is used to support criminals and their families, such as the evil, now deported Abu Hamsa’s sow and offspring. They live, in public funded housing and receive benefits that enable a fine life style. Hamsa is now in prison in the States, but his swinish family continue to leech off Britain. They are not the only ones, there are many more. Concerning NICE, when one day they and/or their families fall sick, will they deny themselves treatment on the grounds of cost?

  190. “Why should my church services be monitored?”
    Why shouldn’t they? You have ctually made out a prima facie case for doing so with your following statement that
    “Islam is fundamentally opposed to our way of life”
    Do you not recognise that under present laws and powers and the future powers you advocate, such statements and views may be deemed ‘non-cohesve’ and to consitute a threat to our current society?

    ‘My church services certainly are not.”

    Well, who will be the judge of that, Peter? Which is my point.

  195. We do not need new laws to combat Islamic Terrorism, there are plenty on the statute books, but the authorities determinedly ignore them. Let nobody be in any doubt that these people are determined to destroy our society and are actively using our tolerance to affect our destruction and regard our tolerance as effete spinelessness, they only understand and respect one language and that is force resolutely applied. Islam is the only religion which actively seeks the destruction of the host nation and must be dealt with accordingly, we must treat them as they would treat us if they were given half a chance. I do not recall any Christian preachers calling for mass beheadings in Trafalgar square, or anywhere else for that matter. Last night I saw a wonderful program on Italy, if the Muslims had contributed a fraction to civilisation as Italy has then they would have something to boast about.

    Peter, you ask if anyone thinks Cameron is a Conservative, undoubtedly some do, but then there are some sad souls who still think the Earth is flat. Cameron is to the Tories what Michael Foot was to Labour, a privileged commie, it is only a matter of time before he turns up at the Cenotaph in a donkey jacket.

  196. ‘Bulldoze every mosque flat.’

    Conservative policy?

    ‘Bulldoze every church flat’

    Labour, Lib Dem, Greenpeace policy? Sadly, already an Islamic reality.

  197. stephen maybery@August 15th, 2014 – 11:47

    people get away with crimes every day because of their ‘heritage’ or because the agencies dare not prosecute for fear of being dubbed racist.

    I wonder how many of the vehicles in the ghettos are properly taxed, MOT’ed and insured.
    Does anyone check parking restrictions are properly enforced near mosques on fridays? I have heard some places are swamped by cars illegally parked.
    How shops many and takeaways are paying their proper tax, including VAT. Takeaways where I live dont put their sales through the till, they just press no sale and shove the cash in the till. So how do they account for VAT?
    The drug trade is supposed to be rife.
    Thats before we get on to the unenforced laws on FGM, child brides, univestogated girls suddenly not at school (they are in a forced marriage far away)

    We need to get our act together and make sure everyone obeys the law. How come the greek guy operates tills in his chippyand presumably pays VAT, and the asian takeaways dont?

  198. Stephen Maybery

    “…We do not need new laws to combat Islamic Terrorism, there are plenty on the statute books, but the authorities determinedly ignore them…”

    Which correctly identifies that there is a resolute determination on the part of government, both Legislature and Executive Parliament to recogise the real problem. Hardly surprising really.
    No elected politician, of any party, will ever argue other than that immigration has not been and continues to be beneficial for us all.
    Nor are any of them prepared to do anything about it.
    Until it will be too late to do anything.

  199. This will put a smile on your faces wallsters, at least until you stop to think about it. A pilot was bringing his plane into land at Belfast when his prosthetic arm fell off, it was a safe landing (just about), one has to see the funny side of things, but that is a very short side for the CAA admits there are four pilots flying with a few bits short of a cadaver. What is going on here, will there be no end to this lunacy? Of course not, equal opportunities and all that crap. Lord forgive them, even though they know what they do.

  200. The other day I was on a panel, great fun, one gets to mouth off on subjects on which one knows absolutely nothing and gets a fistful of cash for so doing, a bit like being a politician except that one does not get to bugger up the country or fiddle the expenses. This outing was to give ones thoughts on policing in Tower Hamlets, the panel represented the rich and vibrant diversity of the borough. I was the honkey in the woodpile.

    Present were two young ladies from the Met, charming, what blokes of my generation would described as tasty, they had impressive titles, neither of which suggested any connection with catching villains. Everyone gave their opinions on various issues in fluent PC jargon, but, give them their due, they were suitably embarrassed over being amused at what I said. We were asked our opinions on a poster campaign to dissuade potential wrongdoers from doing wrong, then it came round to me. “Won’t work”, says I going way of message, the man in charge asked me what would work. Well, ask me a question and an answer you will get. “A kick up the arse” Things sort of fizzled out after that.

    By this time you will all, be wondering what the devil is the point of this ramble. Money. These surveys do not come cheap and every borough in London would have been surveyed at great cost to the ever suffering tax payer. All I want to know is that the police are keeping the streets safe for me to walk and if I am assaulted in my home the culprits will be caught and punished. Not too much to ask is it? I do not give a damn for all the lets be nice to muzzies nonsense, nor should the forces of law and order, all I want is that they undertake their historical functions, and if they can not do that then bring back the Bow Street Runners.

  201. Stephen, I’d see the story about the pilot landing just about safely when his prosthetic arm fell off, but in fact it was only due to the quick thinking and professionalism of his guide dog who talked him down from the co-pilots seat.

  202. Farage applies to be UKIP candidate in Thanet South (north-east Kent coast area).
    [Daily Telegraph/Independent]

  206. Peter,
    Great to hear you are contemplating a campaign to have a UKIP candidate in Maidstone. I am sure that I speak for all the Wallsters when I say we will offer you all the support we can. All power to your elbow.

  207. I suffer from several impediments I am afraid. One of them is an absolute impediment. The others are due to my own incompetence, lack of ability and poverty. These could be overcome, the absolute one cannot.

  209. “Dellers” is on good form over at Breitbart-London:

    This is what I’ve always found so thoroughly enjoyable about the global warming debate. It’s not one of those issues where there’s right and wrong on both sides and it’s really a matter of opinion which one you favour. Quite simply it’s a very straightforward battle between, on the one hand a bunch of lying, greedy shysters, fanatical, misanthropic, anti-capitalist eco-loons, bent, grant-troughing scientists, grubby politicians and despicable, rent-seeking millionaires and billionaires; and on the other a handful of brave, honest, rigorous, seekers-after-truth.

    Right on, Jimmy D!

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/08/15/Mann-v-Steyn-if-this-trial-ever-goes-ahead-global-warming-is-toast

    See also:

    http://www.steynonline.com/6522/my-new-best-friends

  213. It seems pretty bad that the police had arranged for the BBC to send a news team to cover their search of one of Cliff Richard’s properties. Indeed this is surely a breach of privacy law? He has not even been charged with any offence yet.

  214. O(o) – 09:31 ‘What now, Batman?’

    Thinking, and checking the results!

    It’s what Science is all about. My History teacher said some Historians are interested in the battles, and how troops advanced and retreated, others what happened afterwards.

    On the subject of Global Warming, here is a Dellers’ article, with more than a small mention of Mark Steyn:
    Mann v Steyn: If this trial ever goes ahead Global Warming is toast
    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/08/15/Mann-v-Steyn-if-this-trial-ever-goes-ahead-global-warming-is-toast

  217. @RobertC 15th, – 20:23

    “My History teacher said some Historians are interested in the battles, and how troops advanced and retreated, others what happened afterwards.”

    Yes, but one place no historian will ever get, however much he may try, through analysing the writings of a General, Field Marshal or other Grand Strategist, is inside the mind of said G, FM or GS. A particularly British case in point is Montgomery, who, when a rapier-like thrust turned into a 6 week slogging match, reported to the press each day, “Yes, everthing’s going to plan.” What plan? Certainly nothing that he ever dared put before Alexander, or Churchill, or Eisenhower. And his own writings afterwards conceal more than they reveal.

  218. “Dubai International Capital (DIC) is the international investment arm of Dubai Holding, a global conglomerate and sovereign wealth fund of the government of Dubai and its ruling family and has been over-leveraged to the point whereby the company is not able to service its interest payments in a normal fashion. DIC invests private funds on behalf of Dubai Holding and several large third-party investors around the world with a mandate to build a portfolio of internationally diversified assets.”

    So what, you ask?

    As they own Travelodge you might be better advised asking for a koran than a Bible.

  219. “Since Obama took office, police departments have received tens of thousands of machine guns, nearly 200,000 ammunition magazines, thousands of pieces of camouflage and night-vision equipment, and hundreds of silencers, armored cars, and aircraft.” (h/t Outsider Club)

  220. http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/morsis-wife-threatens-to-publish-hillary-clinton-letters/?cat_orig=world

    “After snub, says she will expose Obama-Muslim Brotherhood ‘special relationship’ ”

    It may be too late to bring down and jail the Obama administration wholesale. The weakness of the United States Constitution is that there is no mechanism for the prompt expulsion of a government by a vote of no confidence. John Adams wrote “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people”.

    In other words,apart from the complicated, time-consuming and politically bedeviled provision for impeachment of the president – which of course even where successful would leave the administration in place – where a criminal gang controls the Executive and has suborned important sections of its supporters and opposition in Congress and has used the information compiled by its security services to subvert the courts, has organized the Revenue to target opposition, has militarised its police and introduced additional layers of armed groups into the bureaucracy, and has set in motion and sustained when discovered policies whereby millions of illiterate and often criminal non-English speaking foreigners are allowed illegal entry under the friendly eye of a corrupt Attorney-General, the American people have no quick constitutional redress.

    Fortunately for the United Kingdom, since its inception we have healthy experience of corrupt, malign or incompetent administrations, and honour or ambition has always allowed shifting alliances swiftly to undermine support for a government by a motion in parliament to force the monarch to find those who can form a new one. The admixture of a good number of UKIP members to the House of Commons should restore the good old volatile recipe to the present stagnant waters.

    As for the United States, however, I fear for her – perhaps John Jefferson Burns should be called home as a matter of urgency from his vacation in Cloverly.

  222. Some headlines from today’s Jihad Watch site:

    UK: Muslim daycare staff bans Christian girl from eating non-halal sandwich

    Thousands of supporters of “Palestinian” jihad sign petition to ban Joan Rivers from UK for being pro-Israel

    Muhammad is Britain’s most popular boys name

    UK government “encouraging Hamas to fire at Israel”

    Mosul Christian: Our Muslim neighbors drove us out

    “Swedish soccer”: Muslim team loses, referee runs for his life

    Danish military researcher: Islam’s plan for caliphate includes world domination

    Malaysia: Teen faces sedition probe for liking “I love Israel” FB page

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/

  225. A test for you, and think before you answer because it’s designed to single out those who can think outside the box.

    You are driving down the road in your two seater Morgan on a wild, stormy night, when you pass by a bus stop and you see three people waiting for the bus: 1. An old lady who looks as if she is about to die. 2. An old friend who once saved your life. 3. The perfect partner you have been dreaming about. Which one would you choose to offer a ride to, knowing that there could only be one passenger in your car?

  226. Noa zrk @ 23:38

    That’s another route to Islamisation of the society nobody pays any attention to. The sooner we find a substitute for oil, regain confidence in our model of governance the better.

  227. Baron – 10:18
    We have a substitute for oil, shale hydrocarbons. We only need enough to soften the market, not to be self sufficient, as most of the ME need the revenue.

    Finding the will to exploit it will be harder as will regaining confidence in our model of governance.

  228. Radford NG @ 05:22

    That’s all designed to avert attention from the greatest peado of all times, the one who prayed on disabled kids, the necrophilic Sir Jimmy. There must be hundreds i iff not thousands who either knew, were told, or strongly suspected, but not only did nothing, but protected the bastard. It is those people, today in position of power, influence, control, either at the BBC or of the BBC incubator, who are doing everything to dilute the pervert’s guilt, and what better than arresting everyone who aids such dilution even though the evidence may be centuries old, Baron reckons.

  229. Malfleur @ 01:28

    Just imagine, Malfleur, what would the reaction of the boy here be if what has happened at Ferguson, still going on there, were to happen in Russia. The West would most likely go to war with the Putin’s kingdom for that, the MSM and the BBC would keep repeating 24/7 that killing an unarmed man …. Baron also wonders what the reaction would have been had Bush been in charge, did FA, played golf?

    Quite frankly, it serves right the Republic’s black burghers, they voted the fruitcake in, virtually every voter of black skin colour casted the vote for the messiah, they are getting what they asked for.

  230. RobertC @ 10:24

    Baron reckons in the current political environment we cannot get shale gas out, the anti lobby is too powerful, Robert, the political class toothless to kick them where it hurts. It’s of course only the barbarian’s judgment, but if you look at some of the hurdles, the needed changes in the law, the ferocity of the opposition, what chances are there it will all succeed. Also, the Americans who have plenty of the stuff, want to sell it to Europe, will, if anything, back the opposition to mining it here.

  231. Baron

    A couple of points for your consideration arising from my current, intermittent reading of “Tristram Shandy”.

    Ee. you contretemps with Fraser Nelson on the subject of tits. The word ‘tit’ is now archaic in the form used by Sterne to refer to an old nag (horse, not wife). It may still throw the censor at the Spectator into gear if used judiciously.

    Further on the useful coinage of “demigration which is used to refer to Uncle Toby’s sudden departure for Shandy Hall to work on the model of the fortifications at Namur proposed by Trim:

    I think we should bring this expression back into current usage to refer in the gentlemanly and kindly way we mean to expedite the expulsion by law and/or financial inducement of the maximum number of muslims.

    Let the great demigration begin!

  232. Baron

    I am glad to say that I had to look up the word “peado” – although I would be happier not to now know what it means.

  233. As most newspapers no longer print most comments, I suggest we start linking the story here with our response, which we know they won’t print, as follows:-

    Story:-http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2726489/BREAKING-NEWS-Man-dead-hospital-significant-health-problems-31-adults-children-shipping-container-Tilbury-Docks.html

    Comment:-
    “A spokesman said: ‘We sent seven ambulances, two rapid response cars, a patient transport services vehicle, two duty operational managers, two Basics doctors and our hazardous area response team (Hart) …..” All that was needed was a man with a gun and one to spray disinfectant. The residue to be shovelled into the harbour.

  235. Clear Memories. I’ve registered a domain name and started to create a site that would link to all these sorts of stories and allow comment where it is closed elsewhere. Just need to find some funding to make it work properly.

  236. Baron,16-8/10-38.
    Total agreement with you on this one, as with most of what you put up on the wall, with one proviso. “In a democracy you get what you ask for”. No my old son, in a democracy you get what you deserve.

  237. Baron – 10:45
    All it needs is one site. It needs to be a good site, geologically, and not near any dwellings, though I wouldn’t object to one near my house. Much better than those windmills with added infrasound!
    I do not understand why lowering the Community Charge, and providing good insurance cover for any fraccing problems that occur, is not attractive. The insurance risk should be able to assessed by reviewing other fraccing sites. There are already many in Britain, and even more abroad.
    When we have power shortages, the mood will change.

  238. Sir Cliff Richard investigation: police defend televised raid on singer’s home
    MPs demand answers from South Yorkshire Police after force admitted it had worked with the BBC before broadcaster showed live helicopter footage of officers arriving at Sir Cliff Richard’s home in Berkshire
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11038267/Sir-Cliff-Richard-investigation-police-defend-televised-raid-on-singers-home.html

    “… showed live helicopter footage of officers arriving at Sir Cliff Richard’s home in Berkshire”

    That’s called entertainment at the BBC.

  239. Clear Memories 16th, – 12:41

    “The residue to be shovelled into the harbour.”

    After years of being viewed by port authorities as a cash cow when pollution of any sort appears in what they believe to be their pristine environment, I just have to mutter, “No effin’ way! Haven’t they got any decent zoos nearby?”

  240. With Romanians and other trash smuggling illegal immigrants into this country, the death sentence should be reintroduced. Not only the poor devils who have paid a fortune, or committed themselves to a life of slavery are in danger, but we the unwilling host country are in dire peril. One illegal was found dead in the container at Tilbury, and it could have very easily been a case of Ebola. Clegg (Leggover) and all his liberal ilk should be made responsible for checking out these newcomers, although I cannot see any difference between the LibDems and the so-called Conservatives.

  242. heard about the tilbury story on BBC 5pm news in the car. No mention that the survivors were illegal immigrants and what would be done about repatriation.
    One assumes they have not cleared immigration and are under arrest, and will be returned to the ship until arrangements can be made for them to travel home.

    But they will end up here on benefits, you see.

    the shipping company will know where the container was loaded and who rented it. Should be easy to find the people responsible.

  246. tHIS is a comment from that Telegraph propaganda by Cameron:

    jdondet

    “Now admittedly I am an American looking at this from outside Britain. Yet to me the biggest problem there, is that Britain has a very large, alien, hostile and radicalized Muslim population. Didn’t I see a British subject waving around a head as a ISIS soldier recently? It seems to me the British government would be better employed dealing with this situation at home first.

    “We here in the USA also have a large alien population. We are lucky in one respect the Mexicans and others from Central America are at least nominally Christian. I can guarantee that no member of “La Raza” will preach jihad. Can the British say the same with their Muslim population?”

    There are so many reasons why it is wrong to go after ISIS, but that is the most important.

    What are all these Muslims doing in the UK?

    When they are all repatriated to Islamic lands, then we can talk ISIS.

    All the rest is propaganda.

    Cameron is not considering bombing ISIS, he has made his mind up and he will use it all to divert his own grovelling to Muslims and in particular the damage done to his image by Warsi.

    Apparently, Lynton Crosby was so incensed at the coverage she was getting, leaving his election campaign in tatters, it was he who decided to scotch the Warsi coverage by gettting Boris Johnson to announce his election plans.

    It was straight out of the Alistair Campbell playbook: let no negative story against us run for more than 11 days.

    Dave has had his dog in a fight mode with Islam. He backed Warsi.

    And he thinks bombing ISIS or whatever it is will launder his grovelling to Muslims public image (and that damaging YouTube video where Dave slams ‘white faces’).

    It won’t make a bit of difference what he does or what the blond Turk Johnson does. The Conservative Party is finished.

  247. David Cameron sort of gets it, but doesn’t really get it at all:

    PM: Our generational struggle against a poisonous ideology

    “Warning that Islamic State fighters already control thousands of square miles of territory, Mr Cameron says that if these “warped and barbaric” extremists are not dealt with now, they will create a “terrorist state” on the shores of the Mediterranean.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/11039214/PM-Our-generational-struggle-against-a-poisonous-ideology.html

    Remembering the ‘peaceful’ demand from the Norwegian RO’P’, CMD should have included the North Sea as well as the Mediterranean.

    Even George Galloway has everything possible to highlight the problem, but to no avail!

  248. hould be:

    Even George Galloway has DONE everything possible to highlight the problem, but to no avail!

  250. These Asian men need to be returned whence they came, with their families:
    Tesco store trashed by Gaza protesters

    Demonstrators threw produce to the floor and shouted at staff and shoppers
    “Speaking on social media, a customer said: “I was just in the Tesco in Hodge Hill, scanning my items and I heard chanting.
    “Then a group of Asian men holding Palestinian flags came walking in and starting to push products over and getting aggressive with staff and shoppers.
    “Police officers tried to stop them but I ran out.”
    About 100 people had gathered outside the store to demonstrate, calling on Tesco to stop all trade with Israeli agricultural companies.
    A spokesman for West Midlands Police said: “Our officers dealt with a protest at Tesco Hodge Hill this morning where some disorder was repoted (sic). One arrested for assaulting police. … Two escorted from premises.”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11039210/Tesco-store-trashed-by-Gaza-
    protesters.html

    One was arrested!

  251. Robert C

    Yes, half-truths.

    “…the Prime Minister says the world cannot turn a blind eye to the creation of an extremist caliphate in the heart of Iraq….He warns that Britain will have to use its “military prowess” to help defeat “this exceptionally dangerous” movement …or else terrorists with “murderous intent” will target people in Britain…he fears the struggle will last “the rest of my political lifetime…”.

    So the order of the day is perpetual war producing a perpetual market for the perpetual arms manufacturers…but not a word on who created this state of affairs or, in particular, IS (aka ISIS, aka Al Qaeda or aimed at destabilising and then destroying the governments of seven Middle Easter countries…

    And not a word in favour of demigration of the muslim population of England or on the basis for why such a policy might be necessary. Unthinkable, of course. Just as the initial immigration was Unmentionable, of course.

  252. Mr. Cameron’s overall domestic policy: diversity and rule – the destabilisation of the British mainland by colonisation allied with the deconstruction of English culture and manners.

    Unthinkable…?

  253. Even the CoE is getting hot under the (clerical) collar:

    Church launches bitter attack on PM’s ‘incoherent’ Middle East policy
    Bishop of Leeds slams failure over Islamist extremism in scathing letter backed by the archbishop of Canterbury

    “The criticisms are made in an extraordinary letter to the prime minister signed by the bishop of Leeds, Nicholas Baines, and written with the support of the archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby. Seen by the Observer, it describes the UK’s foreign policy as so muddled and reactive that it is “difficult to discern the strategic intentions” of the government’s approach to the region.
    …
    Cameron is accused of turning his back on the suffering of Christians. The letter asks why the plight of religious minorities in Iraq, such as the Yazidis, seems to have taken precedence”

    “… a leading security expert has warned that recent military intervention in northern Iraq could play into the hands of Isis.
    …
    [Richard] Barrett, [former head of counterterrorism at MI6,] said the west also needed to confront the dilemma that, even if Isis were defeated on the battlefield, significant problems would lie in store. “They have their own territory to defend now. Even so, they are not going to all die on the battlefield; the many thousands of foreigners … will go back home if they are defeated with a strong sense of injustice and a strong motivation to carry on the fight. Of course, if they are not defeated, then they will want to spread their rule into their homelands anyway. You sort of lose either way.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/16/church-of-england-attack-david-cameron-middle-east-policy

    At least we now know our leaders don’t know, and they know we know they don’t know! It is a start, of sorts.

  254. So Cameron now sees Islamic extremist as a serious danger to us in this country.
    Well it’s a step away from the religion of peace nonsense .
    The big step is when the word extremist is dropped and the danger we face is correctly called Islam.
    It will be a long time but it will come.
    The complete silence from Muslims who should be protesting about so called extremist elements of there cult shows which side they are on.

  255. Cameron’s acknowledgement of the dangers of IS (or his weasel word extremism) is simply to do with his election chances – he is on the fence, saying what he thinks he needs to say on these issues (he could hardly be blind to what is going on and questions being asked about his ‘foreign policy’) but this clown is not commiting himself to anything that would upset muslims; and that includes the ones in situ here and anywhere else on the planet. Every word he utters is hollow, and I am not convinced he even knows, cares or understands the words that slither from his mouth.

  258. Peter from Maidstone August 16th, 2014 – 22:46

    “I see that Kenya is banning entry to people from countries affected by Ebola. If they can do that then why can’t we?”

    Kenya is not subject to the European Court Of Human rights.

  260. Saira Grant, a woman of Asian appearance, from the Council for the Welfare of Immigrants; was allowed on Sky News earlier to make an unchallenged sound bite regarding the Tilbury Docks incident yesterday, averring that the government’s policy on immigration was responsible; implying that, as unrestricted immigration to the UK is not not permitted (really?), then David Cameron is directly responsible for the death of the illegal immigrant (who was part of this unlicensed load of meat smuggled from from the sub continent) and the suffering of others (who were still alive and wriggling when the container was unloaded).

    Yes, indeed. Making untrammelled immigration to the UK legal would obviate such messy incidents. Just as legalising homicide; supply and abuse of dangerous drugs; burglary, theft, arson, malicious damage, sexual abuse of minors; assault; GBH; etc. etc. would improve the crime statistics overnight. Moreover, we could then disband the costly tax-payer funded law enforcement agencies, immigration and border control officers – and even remove the need for Saira Grant and her Council for the Welfare of Immigrants. I’m unaware of where the funding for the latter milch cow derives, but I’m pretty sure we can make an educated guess, can’t we?

    Ms Grant should stand for Parliament. However, as the poor girl seems to be suffering from the aftermath of a protracted attack of teenage acne, I would advise her to campaign on BBC Radio 4 if she does – she has perfect credentials for that – both stupidity and ugliness. Television is a cruel medium when it comes to physiognomy – as someone should point out to Jacqui Smith, erstwhile Home Secretary and Myra Hindley doppelgänger (Myra Hindley post-mortem, that is to say).

  262. … and as post-mortem seems to be a current media theme I recommend the latest ‘Mark and the Movies’ piece, which eviscerates the acting/comedy reputation of the sainted Robin Williams even before the corpse has cooled:

    http://www.steynonline.com/6525/good-will-hunting

    “Who or what killed Cocky Robin?”, would have been an appropriate strapline, perhaps.

  264. I can see in the future steel walls being built around Northern towns to contain the problems.
    Or maybe one long wall around the main areas and people being forcibly moved into or out of these areas.
    Let’s face it , the possibility of removing the numbers of them who are here is next to impossible .
    It’s clear they don’t want to live with us and we don’t wish to live with them.
    After a few major attacks on us, added to the attacks in Europe which will make even the blind see ,there will come a time when demands for total separation will be the only solution .
    Not what I want, but I fear that’s what’s going to happen.

  265. John birch August 17th, 2014 – 16:15

    “Let’s face it, the possibility of removing the numbers of them who are here is next to impossible.”

    Nothing is impossible!

  266. David Ossit,
    You are absolutely right David, it is not impossible to remove the Muslims from our midst, and it need not take very long. For an example take what the Russians did on Sakhalin after the second world war. They deported 600K Japanese in less than a week. With a will there is a way, unfortunately our leaders have not the will, and were they mindful to acquire that will, electoral arithmetic would dissolve it pretty quickly.

  268. Regarding Saira Grant, I wonder how long it will be before we have yet another baroness, a peer of the realm. Once a title of honour it has now become an appendage for all the slag heaps and cheap shites that poloitical correctness throws up.

  269. Anne,
    Bang on the mark as usual, this situation will never end until the power of patronage is removed from politicians, who use social baubles to purchase donations and favours and obedience. The power to award an honour should be vested in a committee answerable to the sovereign. If the Queen gave out an honour then we would all be confident that it was deserved and not given as a bung for party funding.

  270. stephen maybery August 17th, 2014 – 17:03

    “You are absolutely right David, it is not impossible to remove the Muslims from our midst, and it need not take very long.”

    If and yes it is a big ‘if’, we were to start a program of deporting all ethnic criminals then there would be a knock on effect of many leaving voluntarily, if we made it less comfortable for them to live here then we would see even more leave.

  271. David Ossit,
    Quite right David, the only English a lot of them know is “How do I get to the benefit office?” Cut the dole and housing benefits and you would see a mass exodus. both from here and Calais.

  276. John Birch 20.39

    “Violence works and they know it.”

    ‘It’s summertime, and the fighting is easy’

    Still, one fears the tempo of violence is increasing; both here in the UK and abroad. The Islamists appear have developed an arrogant self-confidence. The West appears to be morally defeated.
    Notwithstanding this, I believe that rumours of the death of the West are somewhat exaggerated. The universal threat and rising animus will result in widespread, adverse counter movement as we reach the political and social tipping point from internationalism to new nationalism.

  277. John Birch.
    I do not th8ink Sainsbury’s have removed Kosher foods from their shelves for fear of attack, it is more likely they have been removed because the chain is owned by the Qataris, as are travel lodge who have removed all Gideon’s Bibles from their premises. Unless the authorities find some guts, and find them soon there will be big trouble coming to our shores.

  278. The email replicated below, was just sent to Sainsburys. I suggest that those who are concerned at what is happening should not just sit and moan, but actively stop what is happening in this country. Today it is the Jews, tomorrow it will be Christians, with ham and bacon being removed from the shelves. This is how dictatorships start and take over, because decent ordinary people just sit silently and hope it will pass.

    o customerservice
    Sir, or shall I address you as Cur?

    It seems that wherever Tesco goes, Sainsbury cannot be far away. Or. rather than imitating Tesco are you taking a leaf from the Brown Shirts in Hitler’s Germany?
    You lack guts, are craven cowards, and your crawling to moslem fanatics will not protect you when they finally take over this country.

    Don’t only watch your backsides, which the moslems will use as they do their poor donkeys and camels, but the inevitable beheading will really put you out of business.
    Anne Wotana Kaye

  280. Noa zrk @ 20:51

    A brave article from Peter Hitchens (PH) on which I have the following annotations:

    “What is a battle against an ideology? How do you do that?” (PH)

    It’s like a Crusade – and that’s how you do it. Of course you might need some armed Christians.

    “Who precisely are these ‘fanatics living far from the battlefield’?” (PH)
    Yes, Cameron is not very clear; but he may mean to include president Obama, his brother, Musa Ismail Obama,Barack’s brother Malik Obama, Barack’s grandmother Sarah Obama, Obama’s uncle Sayyid – and their backers.

    http://shoebat.com/2014/05/10/obamas-brother-negotiate-release-nigerian-schoolgirls/

    “What about actual weapons?” (PH)
    I am sure a flow of lucrative contracts will be arranged after softening up public opinion for perpetual war.

    “If people are walking around with Isil flags or trying to recruit people to their terrorist cause, they will be arrested.” (DC)
    But not if they stand on top of double-decker buses in London with Hamas flags.

    In his final paragraph, PH’s typing falls victim to FFS (fat finger syndrome) as his heart grows increasingly troubled. He therefore suggests that we face dangers of a kind ” a) beyond the pwoer of governments to combat or overcome and b) risk a state of oermament idelaist war”. (PH)

    But that is exactly what I suggested in my post at 00:32 when I saw from DC’s other speech that “the order of the day is perpetual war producing a perpetual market for the perpetual arms manufacturers”.

    PH does not yet make the connection that the murderous events in the Middle East result from the manipulations of puppeteers. General and foggy dangers are grist to their mill.

  282. Has anyone seen any photographs of the Russian military convoy which the the Ukrainian government said over the weekend that they had destroyed in Ukraine?

    Or is this further disinformation by our warmongers to take its place along with the downing of MH17 for which Kiev’s air traffic control tapes have still not yet, so far as I am aware, been released or transcribed?

    Or the chemical attack alleged to have been made by the Russian-backed Assad government against its people before the Massachusetts Institute of Technology reported that the attack came from the Nato-supported rebels?

    It is one thing for Britain to go sleep-walking into war; quite another to be led to it by the nose.

  283. Malfleur at 00-24am

    I haven’t seen any photos of those darn great Russian BUK-Sam launchers criss-crossing the border…..but I did see photos of the Soviet missile sites in Cuba provided by the Kennedy administration.So why are we not given the evidence here from Obama and Cameron?……If they are so secret why are they not presented to select committees of Congress and Parliament;and Privy Councillors?

    When it comes to cats there are images of cats beheaded by `you know you` in Sweden.

    http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/08/14/islamic-state-isis-member-threatens-sweden-with-violence-on- swedish-tv

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