David Ossitt of this parish raises the issue of a very interesting phenomenon: the flesh trade that has evolved in the North of England within Muslim communities. Sexual exploitation such as poncing: that is, living wholly or in part on the earnings of prostitution, usually involving procuring and other coercive methods, now usually referred to here in the American idiom as ‘pimping’ (which in days of yore was an expression only to describe ‘arrangers’ of prostitution such as doormen or PR people from the corporate world fixing up foreign clients with whores to grease their business dealings), was taboo for the old indigenous crooks who liked to refer to themselves as the ‘gentry’ or the ‘chaps’ the ‘respectable’ thieves of London who professed to abhor the flesh trade.
Ponces and nonces (kiddy fiddlers and the like) were the lowest of the low in Her Majesty’s Holiday Camps. The chaps not only frowned upon it in my young days as a copper, but gave ponces a bad time in stir, resulting in most of them having to be placed under Section 47 restrictions – solitary confinement.
Organised prostitution in Britain was usually the bailiwick of immigrant groups, such as the Sabini (Italian) mob, The Messinas, who were Italian – the first generation of which was deported from Sicily to Malta by Mussolini, who tried to break Cosa Nostra there between the wars. The family then moved first to Egypt, but Musso put diplomatic and political pressure on the Egyptian government so they moved to England (first to Notting Hill, actually), where they ruled the roost for many years from the thirties onwards in London’s West End, until Bernie Silver, an East End Jewish villain, one of the toughest, most corrupt, (vis-à-vis Elderly William) and most feared in London, the Krays notwithstanding, joined forces with another Maltese Syndicate and allied itself to the American Cosa Nostra, whereupon the Messinas, after several bloody territorial disputes, were then forced to pay tribute to Bernie et al. They nonetheless maintained a property empire in London, which may still even exist to this day.
Also, in the late forties and early fifties, West Indian immigration brought, among the thousands of honest folks merely looking for work in ‘the Mother Country’ a band of about 200 ‘hustlers’ from the Caribbean, that imported its poncing, gambling, and ganja culture to Britain, lock stock and barrel. Many of the so called and much discussed ‘racial wars’ of the late 1950s to the 1980s were in fact in many cases territorial gang disputes between indigenous villains and the immigrants usurping their turf. But the racial politicians of The Long March of course made full use of the disturbances for political gain and set up a symbiotic relationship. In return for propaganda and legal funding, they received part proceeds of the rackets, to add to voluminous amounts from the Sino-Soviet agitprop machinery. We should all appreciate what effect that has had on our culture.
It is also true that in 1973 when OPEC upped the price of oil to an exorbitant level and the Sheikhs got very rich indeed, they and their spawn flooded into London to the Casinos that had sprung up like daffodils in spring, after ludicrous loosening of the gambling laws. Part of the exotic facilities provided by dodgy Casino operators and at many ‘5 star’ hotels, was a regular supply of whores. The somewhat repressed Arabs voraciously patronised these services and at this stage the indigenous ‘chaps’ decided that maybe poncing wasn’t such a bad idea after all, though they tried to make it somewhat more respectable by setting up massage parlours, escort agencies and other ‘harmless’ – er … diversions.
Madams with an international clientele became millionaires overnight. One such, in a memorable Court appearance at Bow Street heard her solicitor proffer in her defence that “she had merely provided a public service for the taxpayer by bringing back revenue to this country from Arabs who had gouged the price of oil.”
One gangster, Joey Wilkins, set up his escort Agencies and nightclubs in London on an industrial scale and, with cohorts, inter-mixed it with other wicked criminal scams. His story would require more than a blog post here to do it justice. It allegedly finished, via Gibraltar, in the Costa del Sol, where he allegedly met his end as a result of ‘cancer’, after a major scandal involving the Spooks – and vast payments from Scotland Yard’s informants fund and other dubious dealings. This included an indirect role; it is alleged, in the investigation of the shooting, by the SAS, of IRA suspects in Gibraltar.
This in turn led Maggie Thatcher to wage war on Independent Television after the Thames Documentary “Death on the Rock” depicting the government in bad light. The ripples from the earthquake that hit commercial TV are still being felt today. Nobody has really ever told the story of how one overweening violent gangster/ponce contributed indirectly to critical changes in our culture. I would have liked to have had a peek in his box before they disposed of him. I’m not absolutely sure that he isn’t still sunning himself somewhere in the Mediterranean having faked his own demise. Incidentally in surfing for a picture of Joe Wilkins (which I didn’t find) – strange, have the ‘Funnies’ de-Googled from the annals of history? – I found the book, the front cover of which is depicted above. He gets a mention in that. I haven’t read the book, but I must get it and see whether it’s kosher with its data. Interesting!
Back to David Ossitt’s useful round-up of the latest development in the white slave trade, our Muslim ‘visitors’, or their issue, are just following an old custom that may well be the latest corruption of the culture. Let’s hope that resultant osmosis doesn’t once again alter the patterns of indigenous criminality. Wait a mo’! ‘Indigenous?’ That now encompasses so many inimical elements, I’m not even sure I want to be included in that term anymore.
Which brings us back to the possible appointment of ‘Arry Rednapp as England Manager…. dunnit? I’d stick to ‘Spurs if I were you me old flower. The devil you know?
I am speechless with admiration. We all knew you can write, Frank, but this was a breathtaking tour with me wanting, more than once, to cry out, “Wait! Not so fast! Tell us more about this one! Expand a bit here!”I hope Peter gives you a regular slot. That was some of the most vivid writing I’ve read for some while!
A brilliant piece.After the SAS/IRA shooting in Gibralter there was something strange in the way ‘The Sun’ attacked Mrs Carmen Proetta, who seemed to be blameless. I suspect that ‘The Sun’ was then the government’s preferred attack dog.There was also something fishy about the way they traduced the nurse, Helen Smith. Her father, who wouldn’t shut up, was an ex-copper. I’m betting you know something about that too?
Frank that was brilliant! Just the job on a cold February night, it warms me up reading your excellent prose. Just one point, these contemporary muslim ‘ponces’ have it so much easier than the earlier waves of rogues. Our towelhead criminals have the EU to prevent them being deported, government and the judiciary bending over backwards to excuse them, and a completely apathetic citizenry who allow their womenfolk to be abused and sold like slabs of meat.
David O and Frank P, you have both provided an excellent overview of this repugnant phenomenon.
We have never seen anything like this in this country because, as you both make clear, this is being done on an industrial scale. There is no other way to describe it. It’s so shameless and so co-ordinated. It’s all being done with the knowledge that the law is scared of these evil men. It is.
There are things going on in Liverpool and Bolton at present, which if you Google search just add to the catalogue of depravity. I’m sure other readers are aware of more cases.
And what makes it worse, is when people try to point it out, again and again we hear: “You’re racist. You wouldn’t speak about it if they were not Muslims.”
What a total distortion of the truth.
Islam has always had a history of using sexual terror to elevate Muslims above non-Muslims and that cultural legacy is what has led to this depraved arrogance.
Look at Prophet Mohammad. Look at who he went to bed with.
More than that, listen to ex-Muslims who can speak on this with authority.
This is one such Muslim apostate who explains how Islam has a history of sexual terror and how it was used in the Seige of Beslan (all of which was dutifully ignored by all the mainstream media). Listen to what they say. I repeat, a cultural history of using sexual terror:
http://www.islam-watch.org/Others/Sexual-Terror-Untold-Stories-of-Beslan-Jihad.htm
Are we not terrorised in this country in having a media that won’t talk about it and law enforcement agencies that are so slow in acting on it they have clearly let the whole enterprise get out of hand?
Are not the white girls involved being treated like ‘dhimmi trash’?
Frank PA further interesting sortie into low c**ture.It seems that immigration laws were not all that more effective then as now in keeping out riff-raff. How was Mussolini able to deport people from Sicily to Malta though? Do you mean that he simply put them on a boat with only food and water sufficient to get them that far, or did the authorities there sign off on Il Duce’s bill of lading?I look forward to Part 2.
Frank P
Beautifully written, thank you.
I posted this in response to a post by David on “weekly wall”.
David @ 1502
It is testament to something in the British culture that there’s not some form of backlash against this appalling prevalence of hate-crime. I am not sure whether I am appalled by or proud of the restraint shown.
Do you think that these Muslim men regard whites as trash and feel, in some warped way, that this “justifies” this behaviour?
I cannot believe this goes on and is swept under the carpet. It is truly a sad day when British men stand idly by while our nation’s young ladies are used and defiled in this fashion. We deserve to to be subsumed in a tidal wave of excreta.
Frank P quite splendid many thanks.
Redneck.
“Do you think that these Muslim men regard whites as trash and feel, in some
warped way, that this “justifies” this behaviour?”
Redneck that passage is quite profound; I suspect that you meant ‘white
girls’ but in your omission you hit on the truth they see all of us as trash.
The sooner we rid our lands of this pestilence the better.
What on earth happened to my reply to Redneck? Everything above Redneck was not written by me.
David
Very perceptive: I swithered between the two and settled on “whites” as I felt it more accurate.
An excellent historical primer to where we are today. Frank, do you think it would make a difference if this domestic problem, and the international trafficking of girls, were dealt with on a national basis and not at constabulary level?On a historical note, didn’t the Krays procure young boys for the pillars of the community – like Boothby?
Glad you enjoyed the post, fellow renegades. Thank you.
To answer David M’s point:
Yes indeed, the Krays were evil across the board, but I assumed that everybody is familiar with the chronicle of Kray crimes. The West End nightclub scene, which the Krays and cohorts terrorised with their protection rackets, was, from the plush ‘carpet joints’ to the lino floored clip-joints, dependent upon the flesh trade for its major source of revenue, either directly or indirectly. There is a plethora of biographies, auto biographies, films and hours and hours television bullshit documentaries that tried to transform two cowardly gangsters into East End folk heroes. Some of the more cunning and more successful crooks, such as Joseph Wilkins, were less fêted by the meeja. The Reaper, the Great Leveller, always catches up, though, eventually.
From time to time, as events emerge to prompt the rancid sump that now passes for my memory cells, I’ll try to remind some of those that still remember ‘the good old days’, with some first hand testimony about the scallywags who have now passed into purgatory, or have graduated into fully-fledged hell. And not all of the worst of the ungodly emanated from the slums of the smoke. The arses of the most successful of all were not unfamiliar with the green and red benches of the Westminster Gasworks. As you well know!
That last phrase was a mantra of Joey Wilkins, btw, as during questioning he always liked to point out the previous indiscretions of some less than pristine erstwhile colleagues that he ‘had the arm on’ (to revert to the vernacular of the gentry). What I’d give to turn the clock back 30 years possessed of the knowledge acquired since. Ha!
The development now that is very worrying is the incursion of Eastern European and Chinese crime cartels into Britain’s sex trade. I’m no longer in the loop, but from straws in the wind it appears to have surpassed the worst of the conspiracies of yesteryear. The Old Adam is voracious in appetite and there will never cease to be providers, particularly when law enforcement de-prioritises sexual exploitation and hints that ‘legalisation of brothels’ is the solution. It isn’t – but that’s another post sometime. Have a good weekend, crime watchers (you’d have to be blind not to be).
Were you in Peckham or Lewisham at all Frank? I was born in Peckham, but my parents moved out to the Maidstone area when I was a toddler.
Muslims don’t feel superior. They feel inferior and they are baffled when they look around and see how backward and non-achieving they are compared to other peoples … like, oh, Caucasians, Jews, Chinese and Japanese. (All the people with inventive, scientific minds.) They think something is out of kilter and feel they have to right it.
Rid yourselves of the belief that muslims feel superior. They did until they got into the West and saw how advanced, in every respect, we are. This is hard for people with brains the size of a pea to cope with. I recommend shovelling them all out, back to the Sahara, the Hindu Kush, Somalia et al where they can enjoy their Stone Age ethos and have, thanks to oil, for which we we invented a use and which we figured out how to refine and transport, they have enough dosh to buy big cars, swivelling illegal bars in their homes, and have lots of “wives”, and making their presence in Britain illegal. By the way, they are voracious customers for pornography.
All men domiciled in Britain and registered as having more than one wife should be prosecuted, even if the “marriage” took place in a country where bigamy’s legal.
Does France pay Danegeld to muslims with more than one “wife”, btw? Somehow, I doubt it.
Anyway, all the extra “wives” should have their funding by the British taxpayer cut off today. Bigamy is illegal in Britain. Why should anyone respect the law when the government doesn’t?
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Verity; how do you think any of this is achievable?
Dean – I don’t – with the unelected David Cameron in office. His focus is on staying in No 10, until he gets a slot in Brussels, not on governing a civilised country.
It’s only achievable if the voters dump the socialists and socialists-lite and give UKIP a majority. Then we would see some major changes put through with dispatch.
Apologies to Frank P for swerving off the subject of his excellent piece above.
Frank P!
Absolutely brilliant!
Please make this aregular thing…?
PS Are you familiar with ITV’s drama “Whitechapel”?
P v M (1406hrs)
I worked the whole of the Metropolis from central outfits at The Yard from time to time. Peckham and Lewisham were very much of interest during enquiries concerning whimsical characters with names that have appeared in headlines from time to time; Joey Pyle, Freddie Foreman and Ginger Tilley being just a trio of them, not necessarily the lowest in investigative priority.
The changes that concern me most now on those manors concern the demographics, which is perhaps the most striking evolutionary development there. Your parents made a wise move, imho. They probably augured the inevitable outcome of years of ludicrous policies of both main parties.
Actually I’m a bosky at heart and spent my first 18 years in the peace and tranquillity of the fens, until I was drafted to the khaki life for my stint, then later volunteering to throw my hand in with the boys in blue of the Metrollups, in an attempt to keep the peace there.
Before getting entrapped in the maelstrom of International Organized Crime investigation, I was very much a West End copper, but it should be understood that there existed interlinking circles of gangsters fiefdoms around The Smoke that all had their tentacles into the West End sucking on the tourist trade milch cow – the vice/drugs/gambling/loan-sharking industries, the many facets of which were my specialty. So there were few gangsters that I didn’t have interface with at some time in the last decade of my service.
Now I’m safely ensconced back on Queen Boadicea’s old patch and, taking a shufti at the news emitting from the once marvellous Capital, I’m glad to be out it. How any honest copper can stand the interference of the current political class defeats me. I try not to enter any area inside the M25 these days (always supposing one could get off that circular bloody car park, once trapped on it, if they tried). 🙂
Still – once they get these new-fangled ‘elected police Commissioners’ in position, I’m sure the whole of network the criminal cartels will collapse under their scrutiny. I’m still wondering where they will get the grunts to do the donkey work in order to adduce enough evidence, firstly to satisfy the wimps who now ‘lead’ the Job and secondly to satisfy that very iffy dog and pony show called the CPS. If the speed with which they eventually got Huhne on the sheet for allegedly fiddling his penalty points is an indication, I think it very unlikely that the heirs and successors of my old adversaries have much to worry about.
Kennybhoy
I’ll do my best. As for the “Whitechapel” – no! I’ve never seen the show. Who writes it and what’s it like? Is it available on archive?
Hi Frank.
Mention of the Krays above brought “Whitechapel” to mind.
One of those series which is better than it has any right to be if you know what I mean…
Splendidly atmospheric sense of history and place…
The third season is running on ITV1 just now and is on the ITV Player. I would however avoid watching the current series for now and start at the beginning on DVD.
You can get series I & 2 on amazon for under a tenner.
I usually avoid linking to Wikipedia ffs™ as a matter of principle but this particular entry is unobjectionable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitechapel_%28TV_series%29
Frank
I know a couple of ex coppers with a similar sort of experience to what you describe as your own. They all share your distaste for the political intrusion that seems the norm nowadays. When you look back it is obvious how the police were easy targets for the Long Marchers. It must be a problem now gaining and keeping recruits with the ability to deal effectively with the problems that society at large faces. They can’t hide behind procedure and razor wire indefinately. The old story was that when things get tough, the tough get going. I am not sure that the necessary toughness is encouraged in the Police today. I lived in the E end for 10 years so I know a bit about what I am talking about here. There are some very good coppers out there, but good leadership is rare and the pitfalls for the rank and file for sticking out their necks and doing the ‘right thing’ are now considerable. Better to stay quiet and get on with the ‘diversity’ training …. It is cultural defeat, in any other words
There’s no thread up for today’s date, so I have to trespass on Frank’s excellent post of a few days ago.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2099377/Met-chief-Ali-Dizaei-guilty-retrial-misconduct-perverting-course-justice.html
Well, you could have knocked me over with a feather!
Question: There weren’t any indigenes, out of 65m people to fill this post? Question 2: Whoever appointed him thought a muslim would be more likely to understand the population and his officers than a Christian or a British Jew?
We need elected police chiefs (drawn from the police force, not the High Street — in other words, not ex-MPs or tobacconists). Appointees for anything in Britain seem to end up being muslim. Why are the British so reluctant to copy the intelligent American system, which works?
I’ve added this week’s thread. You need to remind me if I forget, as although I am at my computer most of the day and night I do have to plod away at the day job and forget things.
Great stuff, Frank.
I worked at a firm supplying the plod with techie stuff, and really enjoyed the stories from the senior generation, whenever they came to visit. Was not too impressed at the quality of most of those under 40, but that’s almost every walk of life now, sadly.
RocketDog
February 13th, 2012 – 14:45
Your analysis is sound; moreover what you describe is part of a much wider malaise inflicted on us by the baleful cultural vandals who knew exactly what they were doing and infiltrated every institution and every aspect of the cultural life of the nation in order to destroy it. They have been more successful than even they dreamed that they would be.
Though I shall fight to the the last breath to expose their handiwork and attempt to reverse some of it, I do so with a very heavy heart as I fear that it is too late now and our heirs and successors will have to adapt to the machinations of the Marxist moles and the malign Mullahs rather than reversing their baneful breakage of our cultural mores. When the movers and shakers of both main Westminster political parties (and the prosthetic party of LimpDem usurpers propping up the predaTory pricks) are complicit with the inimical intruders, there is little hope for improvement; particularly as legislators enact laws that protect the vandals and cripple the vandalised.
The only way to improve policing is to get the politics out of it. It is obvious that just the opposite is planned, as Lard Prescott of Gobbledegook intends to enter the arena of meddling with the Criminal Justice System. There was a time when if a-holes like him tried to interfere with the routine functions of law enforcement he would have finished up in the flowery dell with the overnight piss-heads – where they belonged.
Frank P; Every word true, but what to do about it? Do you share Verity’s enthusiasm for UKIP? Do you see any point in voting for any of them?
Dean
I tend to agree with Nicholas – that a vote for UKIP is tantamount to a vote for Labour; I like Nigel Farage, but the rag, tag and bobtail crew he has around him are unlikely ever to form a serious challenge to either main party. Perhaps some ultra-crisis will bring about a realignment of politics, with some Churchillian like figure coming to the rescue, but at the moment all one can do, when the time comes, is vote for whatever party is likely to bring about the least worst outcome. The way things at at the moment I see no ships – only hardships!
David Mellors attack on the Government yesterday when he was interviewed on SKY about Abu Qatada was a tour de force. I knew him when he was Home Office Minister in the previous Tory Government and he’s a clever feller. Pity he got embroiled in a stupid sex scandal: his balls (metaphorically speaking) should have been put to less trivial use. On the other hand if he screws H2B, he can wear any shirt he likes while he’s doing it – even a Chelsea FC one!
haha.. it rule43 where the nonces and grasses are kept in relative safety. (at times the screws used to forgetfully leave a door open.. they disliked the nonces as much as we did). But you got it right on.
Mrs Carmen Proetta was a well-known ‘escort’, an insatiable attention-seeker, a pathological liar and certainly didn’t witness the shootings! She was “washing dishes” when she looked out her kitchen window and witnessed the incident. LOL. Her husband was an alcoholic “weekend gangster” who talked even more bulls*** than Carmen – which is quite an achievement!