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Sorry for the downtime. The hoster (a national name) deleted the db in error and it took a while to get it recovered and configured.
Was just sending an e-mail, as links within the site didn’t work initially, but now all seems OK.
With the site, that is. The rest of the world remains the mess it was in before.
AOK now Peter; ignore my last email.
Nota bene the second item on the top 40 list, but they’re all worth persusal:
http://americandigest.org/sidelines/2014/08/
…and of course Fred on Everything:
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Ferguson.shtml
Was so sad yesterday, couldn’t understand what Word Press were doing messing up my life! Really missed you all and tried to contact Word Press, but couldn’t , find number to call or anything. Tried to email Peter, but Word Press had their talons on his email too.
Well we seem to be back on track now. The site is running the WordPress programme and when the database was mistakenly put out of action by the hosting company it defaulted itself to the installation mode.
An American friend posts this. I am sure it is not his own words. But it is true…
My Building Permit:
Some have asked what I’ve been doing in retirement. Well, I applied for a building permit for a new house. It was going to be 100 ft tall and 400 ft wide,
with 12 gun turrets at various heights, and windows all over the place and a loud outside entertainment sound system. It would have parking for 200 cars, and I was going to paint it snot green with pink trim. The City Council told me;
“Forget it…AIN’T GONNA HAPPEN!”
So, I sent in the application again, but this time I called it a “Mosque.” Work starts on Monday. And here is the best part, it’s going to be tax exempt!
I love this country. It’s the government that scares me.
I wrote an angry letter to the cowards at Sainsbury’s who cleared the shelves of kosher foods. I received an apologetic reply, full of platitudes which stated that they were apolitical and the manager was in the wrong. Here is my email response:
Dear Ms Kain,
Thank you for your reply.
I regret to say that I find your manager’s behaviour not fit for purpose, and he is not a suitable person to hold such a responsible position.
The events at Holborn are reminiscent to the bully-boy behaviour of the 1930s Hitler Brown Shirts. Today.Jews, beng bullied and tomorrow when moslem fanatics object to non-hallal products on the shelves, Christians will be the victims of this very non-British intolerance. Ham and Bacon will be cleared from the shelves!
I can only accept your apology as sincere and believe Sainsbury have no politcal agenda if this most unsuitable person is dismissed from your company. He has brought world wide disgust, with only fanatical jihadists approving his actions.
Yours faithfully.
The good news is that David Cameron is back from his holiday in Portugal. The other good news, I suppose, is that he has taken himself off on another holiday, this time to Cornwall. Clearly being Prime Minister requires neither much attention nor time.
PfM
I prefer it when they go on holiday. Less likely to do stupid things!
see the illegals who came to the UK vis tilbury are claiming asylum.
they should be told to go the the first dafe country they visited. So back the belguim then.
Frank P August 19th, 2014 – 13:01
…and of course Fred on Everything:
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Ferguson.shtml
Thank you for the link Frank.
gore mozzie filth
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2728808/Student-kept-sex-slave-violent-McDonald-s-worker-cook-clean-tried-force-prostitution-pay-gambling-debts.html
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 August 19th, 2014 – 18:03
Well written, tells them as it is.
Frank P
Here’s a programme you might have missed;
The end of the Affiair between the Tories and the Police.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04d4n8l
And for the aircraft nostalgics amongst us, the Vulcan and Lancasters are flying at RAF Waddington in Lincolnshire on Thursday;-
“Sir, Ma’am, All
HISTORIC AVRO AIRCRAFT FLY HOME – RAF Waddington 21 Aug 14
Planning is underway for the arrival of the 3 Airworthy Avro’s, (Vulcan, Canadian Lanc and BBMF Lanc) at RAF Waddington on 21 Aug 14. The purpose of this event is for the aircraft to coordinate their flypast at the Lincolnshire Bomber Command memorial turf cutting ceremony later in the day.
It has been decided to open the PAVE (Pay and View Enclosure) at the end of the WAD runway to allow the general public to view this unique spectacle in a safe and controlled area, in the hope it will cause as little disruption as possible to the local area and highways. Based on the fact that both the Lancaster and Vulcan operated from Waddington and this will be the last time you will see these aircraft together on the ground and in the air we are expecting 1,000’s of spectators. Additionally there has been a tremendous response to our post about the event on the Station Facebook page.
We are mindful that the people of RAF Waddington will have a keen interest in witnessing this historic event and have already received enquiries about the PAVE.
– Service Personnel who have access to RAF Waddington can watch the event from the airfield for free.
– Service Personnel who wish to watch the event from the PAVE will be required to purchase a ticket on the day. (As per info on the website)
Finer details are still being discussed and we will push out further information later this week via the Station Website and Facebook Page, and internally via the COS working group, Station Local News and MCO Moss Page.
– RAF Waddington Website: http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafwaddington/
– RAF Waddington Facebook: http://www.facebook.com (search for RAF Waddington)
– MCO Moss Page: http://cui5-uk.diif.r.mil.uk/r/51/BSS/MCO/default.aspx
Alexsandr @ 19:30
What a mistake to scrap the capital punishment.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 @ 18:03
Well done, Anne, you will never step into Sainsbury’s again, Baron hopes, he will not, whatever they say or do if the ownership stays as it is now.
Peter from Maidstone @ 12:33
The downtime made Baron anxious, too, Peter, he had to contact Alexandr on another blog, who tried to log in, also failed.
It may be a good idea, if you had a contact address unconnected with the outfit in case it lets you down again, or another disruption occurs. Who knows, as things are going those in charge may block some site wholesale, and yours may be amongst them.
Frank P @ 13:01
This chap Fred gets it better than anyone else who commented on the Ferguson’s riot: nobody knows for sure what happened, but the official version stinks, the press as always is biased one way or another, the blacks are in the wrong rioting, turning the police wholesale into SS paratroopers was a mistake, what else will they ask for, get – tanks, missiles?
His idea of a separation is a non starter, however. The progressives. who run things, will never even contemplate it.
You may agree with this man, some of you may even think he’s a nutter, but the essence of what he says rings true. We’ve kicked religion with its fear of God into the long grass, have a vacuum in the fear department, substituting the fear of God with that of a policeman obviously doesn’t work, events show again and again, one can shoot the policeman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjntXYDPw44&sns=em
You may have seen it, it’s as good as ever:
http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&load=10109&mpid=56
Noa zrk @ 19:58
Baron was listening to it driving, the one perhaps unintended impression was how every political party has been trying to bribe the force, and sadly, they’ve succeeded with the result the public no longer trust the upholders of the law.
The treatment of Cliff is a case in point. It wasn’t only the empire of the old Australian that was evil. Amazingly, nobody wants the BBC’s scalp.
Baron,
Interesting, I was also driving back to Lincoln. An acute observation on your part I believe. The police control the populous, so he who controls the police…. Still, there was an appeal to return to the origins of the British police system, local, not above but part of the populace, that seemed most unlike the BBC.
Noa @ 21:31
The BBC ‘engineers of the human soul’ aren’t stupid but cunning, manipulative, and evil, Noa. They smell a change, will pretend to back it, only to return to their own agenda when the dust settles.
A new take on who it was who downed the MH17 from Kiev’s own investigators. It was allegedly a renegade group of Ukrainian soldiers, who deserted, joined the Russian rebels, but haven’t swapped their uniforms.
Baron’s certain both the Kremlin, the White House must know by now who was responsible for the atrocity. It isn’t that just a lonely soldier sneaked behind a barn, fired a hand held gadget. There must have been more people to the act, more still who supplied the missile, have been protecting the culprits, local witnesses. It’s inconceivable the CIA, the FBS have’t yet got the facts.
The British have apparently sent preliminary results to both the Dutch and the Malaysian governments. What’s keeping them from releasing the results to the public?
I can always be contacted at peter@coffeehousewall.co.uk
An Open Letter to David Cameron just copied to me by a friend in Singapore:
Dear Mr Cameron,
After 4 years of the Smoking Ban,
ten thousand pubs have disappeared.
Just imagine what could disappear if you banned “Halal Meat”! ….
Give it some thought please!!!
I see that the Sikh illegal immigrants are all being helped to claim asylum in the UK. And another lorry caught today are being offered all the necessary welfare support.
On a point of order, are Noa and Noa zrk one and the same?
Frank P – 23:32
Is one a vessel, built in biblical proportions, and the other the captain of that vessel?
http://telegraph.newsprints.co.uk/view/27540964/tg4181629_matt%20cartoon%20_jpg
Why is it, when I know how feeble Cameron is, I am still astonished when another example of his condition hits the headlines?
He is not having to create policy, make a leading decision or go against current feeling. He only has to say, “Yes, me too”:
Ministers won’t block Bercow’s ‘Canberra caterer’: Downing Street fears a constitutional crisis if they get involved despite cross-party anger at appointment/b
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2729299/Ministers-won-t-block-Bercow-s-Canberra-caterer-Downing-Street-fears-constitutional-crisis-involved-despite-cross-party-anger-appointment.html
Why is it, when I know how feeble Cameron is, I am still astonished when another example of his condition hits the headlines?
He is not having to create policy, make a leading decision or go against current feeling. He only has to say, “Yes, me too”:
Ministers won’t block Bercow’s ‘Canberra caterer’: Downing Street fears a constitutional crisis if they get involved despite cross-party anger at appointment
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2729299/Ministers-won-t-block-Bercow-s-Canberra-caterer-Downing-Street-fears-constitutional-crisis-involved-despite-cross-party-anger-appointment.html
I’m in Hastings with my wife this morning trying to spend some quality time with her. The sun is shining. The skies are blue. And I have to say that Hastings seems to remain a very English seaside town, especially here on the front where we are sharing a fish and chip lunch. It would be interesting to see a map of regions and towns of the UK with percentage white British populations.
Frank P
“On a point of order, are Noa and Noa zrk one and the same?”
Yes we are Frank. Two or more PCs but with just the one (supposedly schizophrenic) personality ‘outputting’ through them.
Forgive my crudeness, but such an evil turd as George Galloway can only be described in the lowest language. It appears that he converted to become a Moslem, and married at least four sows. He obviously cannot satisfy or please them, and I wonder if he had his compulsory circumcision by microsurgery?
AWK 1 20th, – 13:54
“if he had his compulsory circumcision by microsurgery?”
Superb! 🙂
On these pro Palestine protests it should be made clear . If you support Hamas then you also support IS.
Peter from Maidstone August 20th, 2014 – 12:38
“It would be interesting to see a map of regions and towns of the UK with percentage white British populations.”
Harrogate 99.9% white, Ripon 99.9%, Wetherby, Boston Spa, Collingham 99.99%, likewise Richmond and Otley in fact nearly everywhere north of Leeds.
Ostrich (occasionally)
August 20th, 2014 – 15:51
Hi, OO
Emailed the swine with a copy for good measure to David Ward MP. If the creep wants to sue me for slander. or libel, he will have to remove his pants in an open court!
RobertC August 20th, 2014 – 11:20
“Ministers won’t block Bercow’s ‘Canberra caterer’: Downing Street fears a constitutional crisis if they get involved despite cross-party anger at appointment.”
Well they should but better still there should be a move to rid the chamber of Bercow as speaker and then fire this silly Australian caterer.
David and Peter.
That’s why I see in the future walls around these northern city’s/ towns where they are.
It would be a lot harder to remove them at first than put up walls.
They are going to be violent whatever .
Dave ‘More holidays that Fergie’ Cameron chillaxing in Cornshire, huh?
No doubt at this very moment enjoying a quaint li’l ol’ Cornshire cream tea with fellow Anglophobe, Cigar-Chompin’ John Jefferson Burns.
David Ossitt
August 20th, 2014 – 16:26
Sadly I believe you and Peter are willing to throw the baby out with the bath water. I am thinking of all the good, decent G-d fearing friends and colleagues I made over a long life time. Many were of West Indian origin, fellow students and nurses and other serious minded good people. By all means chuck out or do what you will with the fanatical moslems who hate the JudeoChristian ethics of this country, but please do not allow ourselves to become hateful like our mutual enemy.
PfM 12:38 – Try StreetCheck and then use the culture tab.
http://www.streetcheck.co.uk/
Cigar-Chompin’ John Jefferson Burns
Reports that the Ferguson cop received serious facial injuries in his confrontation with the 6’4″ junked-up black thug who had just robbed a ‘convenience store’.
Hi ACP. That’s a great site. I want something less detailed as street level is too focussed. I might see if I can knock up something graphical that shows councils as a start.
Anne, I am sure many of us know good people from all ethnic backgrounds. But my family have fostered children for over 50 years and the vast majority of the broken and abusive homes they receive children from are BME. Indeed the West Indian community is well known for absent fathers and serial fathers producing children with no positive male role models. I know decent Muslims. Does that mean that all Muslims are? I know decent Africans. But these cultures are all different from and subversive of our English culture and society.
The largest community of Nigerians in the world outside Nigeria is in South East London. How did this come about? Why was the local culture and society into which I was born entirely ethnically cleansed? Slavery, Bush Meat, FGM, Syncretistic Religion etc etc. I wish every Nigerian well. But the place for Nigerian culture to prosper and expand is surely Nigeria and not Lewisham!
So Galloway has been interviewed.
hope they chuck the book at him
still time to sign the petition
http://www.change.org/p/the-crown-prosecution-service-to-bring-about-a-prosecution-against-george-galloway-mp-under-s-5-1-of-the-public-order-act-1986
Peter from Maidstone
August 20th, 2014 – 18:36
Peter, I agree with this posting, and have no disagreement with your views here.
The posting you sent ahead of this is very sad. On the one hand we see the lovely church-going devout Christians, such as the people I studied with, and on the other hand the products of fatherless societies. (Unfortunately, this has become the fashion with white unmarried mothers and fathers). It’s possible that slavery may be partially to blame for these casual couplings, and I agree Peter that much is wrong, but I cannot stop feeling hurt when I recall the pride and hope of my black nursing friends of sixty years ago.
Anne, unfortunately 60 years ago is another world. And I am sure you have seen changes in nursing for the worse even over the 30 years of my wife’s career so far.
Peter from Maidstone
August 20th, 2014 – 18:36
Peter, I concur.
At the risk of sounding an old fogey, I find modern day, so-called nurses in the main horrible. Once it was a vocation, caring for and serving the patients was the absolute purpose of our work.
Peter’s friend’s story about planning permission and the mosque and Malfleur’s note about banning halal.
Before getting to mass repatriation (which is the only solution) – I wonder how many would emigrate permanently to a Muslim country if halal were banned?
How is it that ebola can be so out of control?
I was able to guess the answer in two seconds becasuse of the geography involved.
Have you guessed?
If not, this short post has the answer:
http://irishsavant.blogspot.de/2014/08/a-worthy-country-in-need.html
Jeremy, I’m not sure. It seems to me that the benefits of living here in the UK must be reduced to a point where it does become an option to return home. At present it is worth putting up with the many inconveniences of a Christian society when the benefits are so many. And I don’t mean that there is a need especially to penalise Muslims, but those who are recent migrants should not have the benefits of established British nationals, unless willing and able to invest substantially to cover their costs.
I do think it is necessary to expose the halal industry and require all meats to be labelled according to the nature of the means of slaughter. I do think it is necessary to expose all restaurants, hotels, hospitals, schools, supermarkets etc etc who are essentially forcing the British people to eat halal meat without their consent.
AWK1 – 19:51 ‘Nigeria and Lewisham’
Socialism has a lot to answer for, and it has certainly exacerbated the problems.
DT: Obama denounces IS as ‘cancer’ that must be ‘extracted’ from Middle East
DM: ‘The entire world is appalled … We will be relentless’: Obama vows to punish ISIS for beheading James Foley who he said stood in ‘stark contrast’ to his ‘cowardly killers’
And last but not least:
Breitbart: Obama Promises ‘Relentless’ Pursuit of Justice Against ISIS —Then Goes Golfing with NBA Star
I was born in Peckham. I lived in the house my family had lived in since the 19th century. It was English. Where there were a mix of ethnicities they were both integrated and limited in numbers. Now, when I drive through it is like visiting an African city. I do not say that as if to make a moral judgement. But it is not an English place at all. And we were not asked if we wanted to be ethnically cleansed.
I have all the data for ethnicity by counties and smaller councils.
Here are four counties from all compass points, as an example while I start to see if I can make this into an mapped graphic. I am choosing to show White British populations because this IS a measure of culture and society. There are other sets of data that also need to be mapped. But this is interesting to me at least.
Kent – 89.1% White British
Devon – 94.9% White British
West Midlands – 66% White British
Cumbria – 96.5% White British
The question for me is not about achieving 100% White British populations. I don’t think in that way at all. I have no problem with migrant populations from integrating ethnicities at appropriate levels. The question is at what point does a host culture and society break down as percentages of non-indigenous populations increase. Is critical level at 10% or 5% or 2.5%? Or are the West Midlands with 34% non-White British still an expression of indigenous British/English culture and society?
I do know that Lewisham, which seems to me to have become another land, has a White British population of only 44%. With 56% of the population being non-White British. Tower Hamlets has a White British population of only 31%!
Surely we need to talk about this? It’s not about race. It’s about culture and society and what happens when the numbers shift too far away from the indigenous society and culture.
RobertC
August 20th, 2014 – 21:35
AWK1 – 19:51 ‘Nigeria and Lewisham’
Socialism has a lot to answer for, and it has certainly exacerbated the problems.
YES, AND THE PROBLEM NOW IS THAT ALL THREE OF THE MAIN PARTIES ARE RAVING SOCIALISTS
There was a discussion on here about ‘Comments not allowed’ on Big Media websites (they have actually stopped putting that up now a lot of the time because it is so clearly censorship, they just don’t make it possible to comment and say nothing).
This is not a minor issue.
It is the defining issue of the day.
The internet has opened so many people’s eyes and stripped the MSM of power and exposed the decades-long lies of the MSM.
And they know it.
The only reason some comments are allowed is because if they stop all comments, the readers will set up websites like this one and just speak the truth there.
UKIP would not have made the inroads it has without the internet.
The internet is the only place it gets a fair hearing.
Never, ever underestimate how angry the elites are at losing the ability to control the public – usually through straw man arguments where they knock down imaginary opponents to show they’re on our side.
This is from the Telegraph under an article about economics.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11047107/Nobel-economists-say-policy-blunders-pushing-Europe-into-depression.html
synikal
I’m very depressed, the muslims are winning.
How come we have the world finally waking up to the effing muslim problem, and there are no comments allowed on any article that has the word muslim in it?
Why are we (read politicians, the media) so afraid of muslims?
Why are we not allowed to make our own comments?
Who is paying who?
Who has the most to gain?
Wake up, we have an enormous problem facing us, and sticking your heads in the sand will not make it go away.
Give us the right to make our thoughts known.
Why did the commmenter have to go to an article about economics to say that?
The solution to all this is ironically the opposite: never to use MSM websites to comment.
Only use websites like this one.
The reason why it is the defining issue of the day is because of the subtle propaganda.
All local newspaper editors know that the most read page is the letters page.
Who cares what the official story is?
It’s usually a bare-faced lie or distortion.
So we have to turn to ourselves.
But the EU has paid-for trolls on MSM websites.
I’ve no doubt LibLabCon do too.
And what about all the comments that don’t make it past the censor?
The only reason any comments are allowed is because the MSM knows it would lose internet traffic – and they don’t want that commercially or politically.
They operate along the lines of click-bait: keep them here on this website as long as possible and we can fire ads at them and spoonfeed them propaganda.
The Mail, the Telegraph and all the rest of the MSM are nothing but liars.
I had a look at that Tory party online questionnaire.
What an evil little document it was.
It wanted all sorts of data. What will they send respondents? With whom will they share that data?
MSM websites are known to pass on all their commenter data to Big Brother to sift out potential leaders of the opposition to the status quo.
Apparently they have no money.
Put your hand in your pocket Ashcroft.
It’s your toy, you can pay for the smelly thing.
Never mind nasty data-gathering exercises dressed up as helpful questionnaires.
Jeremy – 22:51
They won’t know any more about me than they could have gleaned from my postings at con-home.
It might make them more depressed, but I am not losing any sleep over that.
“A former CIA and civilian pilot has sworn an affidavit, stating that no planes flew into the Twin Towers as it would have been physically impossible.
John Lear, the son of Learjet inventor, Bill Lear, has given his expert evidence that it would have been physically impossible for Boeing 767s, like Flights AA11 and UA175 to have hit the Twin Towers on 9/11, particularly when flown by inexperienced pilots:
‘No Boeing 767 airliners hit the Twin Towers as fraudulently alleged by the government, media, NIST and its contractors’, he stated in the affidavit.
‘Such crashes did not occur because they are physically impossible as depicted, for the following reasons: in the case of UAL 175 going into the south tower, a real Boeing 767 would have begun ‘telescoping’ when the nose hit the 14 inch steel columns which are 39 inches on center.
‘The vertical and horizontal tail would have instantaneously separated from the aircraft, hit the steel box columns and fallen to the ground.
‘The engines when impacting the steel columns would have maintained their general shape and either fallen to the ground or been recovered in the debris of the collapsed building.
‘No Boeing 767 could attain a speed of 540 mph at 1000 feet above sea level ‘parasite drag doubles with velocity’ and ‘parasite power’ cubes with velocity…”.
Continued at:
http://worldobserveronline.com/2014/03/09/ex-cia-pilot-gives-sworn-testimony-planes-hit-twin-towers/
The link between the Press and the ruling elite has been on show this week when all the articles appeared saying ‘war is inevitable’ and so on.
The wretched Spectator even used that in a headline.
It is all to soften up th public for more raids and boots on the ground (the SAS are already there using snipers).
Let’s leave aside the propaganda and take the Con Coughlin et al premise at face value: ‘One more heave.
‘Please.
‘Then we’ll let it go.’
One more heave? This time we have to? No.
This is Islam. Not Islamism or whatever you want to fake name it.
It’s all Islam.
And it will always boil down to this: ‘Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal vigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate.’
How does one more heave get rid of that?
If it’s not ISIS, IS or al Qaeda or whatever label it is today, they will always hate.
What is needed is mass repatriation.
It is what is going on inside the West’s borders that is the biggest threat and the one thing that can be dealt with.
But won’t be, because it’s un-PC.
To this the bien pensant often say: ‘Ah, so you would have advocated the gas chamber.’
No.
No one asks for that. They want people sent home from whence they came and where they can enjoy halal and all the rest of it without being ‘offended’, as they so often allege.
So forget Western intervention in the Middle East.
What is needed is Western intervention in the West.
That is the one sliver lining in the James Foley story: that the ghastly British creep is out of Western soil and may never set foot on it again.
That is where that jihadist belongs: in a Muslim country.
Camoron says if he doesn’t intervene now with ISIS these people will go to the UK. Wooooooooh!
I’ve news for you Dave.
They’re already in the UK and it’s thanks to people like you they’re here.
Even the ‘ex-jihadis’ (if you believe them) seem to pick up Quilliam-sized salaries off the back of the taxpayer pretending to be reformed.
It’s all BS.
Muslims belong where they’ve belonged for thousands of years: in Muslim countries.
And if the great reformation (ha, ha, ha) is going to take place. It can take place in Muslim lands.
I write ‘ha, ha, ha,’ because one famous ‘reformer’ of Turkey President Erdogan let the cat out of the bag with this insight into ‘reforming’ taqqya: ‘Democracy is like a tram. You ride it until you arrive at your destination, then you step off.’
These people will never do anything but hate.
There’s no reforming Islam. It’s taqqya hardwires it against reform.
Pray you’re not around when the tram stops or you’ll end up like Charlene Downes.
And the MSM won’t give a xxxx.
The James Foley video really has struck fear into the elite!
They do not want it seen.
It’s going the same way as Lee Rigby case: bury it at all costs – and this time they’re much more in control of the internet unfortunately:
‘On the heels of the gruesome and disgraceful ISIS clip of the beheading of American journalist James Foley, The UK’s Scotland Yard, according to The Guardian, warned the public that “viewing, downloading or disseminating the video within the UK might constitute a criminal offence under terrorism legislation.”
‘In other words ‘if you watch terrorism, you’re also a terrorist’.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-20/its-official-we-are-all-terrorists-now
This is propaganda via censorship.
Nothing less.
Comments underneath this article explain why the Western authorities do not want that video seen:
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/douglas-murray/2014/08/britains-beheaders-how-we-came-to-export-jihad/
JoshuaCzajkowski
‘Today I watched the video showing the beheading of James Foley and I can tell you now i wish that i hadn’t. All day i’ve been turning music up in an effort to drown out the sounds and images of what i saw.
‘Enough with the murder and persecution of religious minorities, women, gays and everyone that believes in freedom and democracy. I am ashamed that the UK isn’t doing more to fight off these barbarians and their disgusting ideology.’
English Majority replying to JoshuaCzajkowski
‘You’ve done well to find it, Josh.
‘The traitorous police and government are going all-out to stop people from viewing Islamic reality. Its ‘terrorism’ to even watch it, they’re now saying, the disgusting anti-freedom fascists. That’s how firmly they’re in power.
‘Muslim/Leftist Damage Control is in full effect. They know this kind of thing creates rightful anti-Islam rage.
‘Everywhere I’ve looked, its been deleted. Its not even on the Gore Sites.’
Ah, it’s become a huge story everywhere now.
It is a Kakfaesque defence of Islamic terror by the state: if you apprise yourself of the truth if Islamic terror, you are the terrorist. You are to blame.
Not the religion of peace.
You.
The Western authorities are disgusting.
This sort of Kafka-esque state bullying shows how low they’ve sunk.
It is because they empowered the terrorists in the first place they try to hise their own hand in this by blaming people who watch the wretched video.
Why shouldn’t people watch their future?
Incredible comments on that Douglas Murray article (link above):
Richard
‘Sorry, but sad to say, Brits are far too thick/apathetic to do anything about this. An organism, whether biological or political, can only survive by adapting to changing threat. That is how an immune-system works.
The UK cannot adapt, it is too moribund. And so it will die.
‘For the past sixty years we have had wave after wave after wave of vibrantly diverse immigration which has sent murder and crime rates sky-rocketing, made our cities unpleasant places in which to live, and taken our level of national culture back to the bush.
‘Nothing will change, because there is nothing left of the UK.
‘The vibrantly diverse know this, and know that we know this, and so just sit patiently by, until we are exactly the same as their countries.
‘That is what this is all about: the cultural and genetic destruction of anything not like them.
‘Laws and social niceties mean nothing to these people. This is all about genitals and lebensraum.’
Thissecond comment here (from below the Murray article) is my favourite:
CrashDive
Spot on with your analysis.
So what are your answers Douglas?
You have done the easy part, now what do you suggest happens Douglas?
Simon Fay replying to CrashDive
‘He suggests the well-paid spouting of non-committal rhetoric. This erudite outrage is for the livestock’s consumption – the farmers have bigger matters on their minds.’
And that’s the problem with Douglas Murray and Peter Hitchens and so on.
They are shock absorbers.
You must always look at the employer.
In this case, the Barclay twins and Lord Rothermere.
They are the Establishment. They know what the public think and hate them for it. But they also know not to alienate them completely. So they let some commentators reflect the view of the public, while trying to mix in other propaganda, like Andrew Pierce telling the readers of the Daily Mail how wonderful Savid Javid will be. Or Peter Oborne telling the readers of the Mail (when he had a column there) of how wonderful Sayeeda Warsi would be (he still defends here).
In the end, these columnists are hired to appease.
And if there are certain things they do think, they would never be allowed to say them.
Hitchens, for example, always denounces Enoch Powell.
They’re just sops.
I have to say, I don’t undestand the reaction to this beheading and this video purely from this point of view: they hate.
What’s new?
They’ve always hated.
They have hated for thousands of years.
They will continue to hate.
Forever and a day.
Why can’t people understand that?
Why do they need this video to show them?
What’s new?
What will happen on that Spectator thread by the way is this.
It is a digital form of kettling.
The public are furious.
Give them an article where they can vent their opinions.
Get their names etc.
Oh, and after 48 hours or so, just delete most of the comments.
This is not little stuff.
It is key to the way the MSM is learning to control the internet.
As is that suggestion that watching that video implicates the watcher.
These are not little matters.
It’s how they get away with lying.
Ferguson:
http://www.infowars.com/ferguson-cop-points-gun-at-journalists-im-going-to-fing-kill-you/
Malfleur 21st, – 09:36
Those whom the Gods wish to destroy they first make mad.
Lets get back to the serious stuff:
EU rules against powerful vacuum cleaners ban ‘best’ models, Which? warns
Consumers warned to “act quickly” before top-rated powerful vacuum cleaners sell out forever
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11047127/EU-rules-against-powerful-vacuum-cleaners-ban-best-models-Which-warns.html
Have one guess why ‘powerful vacuum cleaners’ (>1600W) will be unavailable?
Yes, it’s new EU rules, to “help tackle climate change”.
Former MI6 director of global counter-terrorism Richard Barrett told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme he believed the man would be traced, but there would be “huge problems involved” with bringing him to justice.
These ominous words indicate the impotence, inability and lack of guts of the system here. Humanitarian reasons, EU regulations and all the shite in the world can be overcome by instituting a STATE OF EMERGENCY. I shudder to think of what would have been the fate of World War II criminals if they were being judged today. No doubt brought to live in the UK, to avoid the barbaric revenge of the USSR and given benefits to enable them to live out their lives in comfort.
Anne, I see that one Muslim MP estimates that there are at least 2,500 Muslims fighting in Syria and Iraq from Britain. That would seem to me to suggest that at least another 2,500 have seriously violent intent and are still in the UK, and another 25,000 positively support such violence and are among us in the UK. Where are they? The East End, Birmingham, Luton and Leicester? What is being done to apprehend them? And deport them?
I note that a former officer in British Special Forces has suggested that the SAS should be tasked with finding and eliminating every “British” fighter in Iraq and Syria so that they do not pose a continuing threat to us all. Of course the State has already allowed several hundred back in to the UK after their gap year experience of murder, rape and butchery. I’d rather know publically who and where these people are than convicted sex offenders.
Peter from Maidstone
August 21st, 2014 – 13:28
Dear Peter, I concur with this former officer’s suggestion. Alas, we know that it will never be considered by the knaves entrusted with our Country’s safety.
Peter F M
Come on Peter , surely a bit of historic aledged kiddy fiddling is much more important than a few thousand murders and a spate of beheadings.
I think you need to rethink your prioritys .
Here is an excellent resource which provides mapping of ethnicity in England and Wales from the 2011 census. You can choose which ethnicity to map. It opens with White British…
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/interactive/census-map-2-1—ethnicity/index.html#centerlat=52.820603070758295¢erlong=-0.07115365576169985&zoom=6&column=—English/Welsh/Scottish/Northern%20Irish/British%20%28%25%29&Area=0&op=0.65
From spectator blogs
There are now thought to be more British-born members of Isis than there are Muslims in the British Army, leading lots of people to ask how they could hate us so much. After all, we did everything right: we imported low-skilled migrants from among the most clannish and socially conservative societies on earth to do badly-paid industrial jobs that were disappearing, ensuring their children grew up in unemployment; then we taught those children that our culture was decadent and worthless and our history tarnished with the blood of their ancestors; then we encouraged them to retreat into their religion through financial subsidies to the most openly sectarian and reactionary members of their community. What did we do wrong?
Anne Wotana Kaye 1
August 20th, 2014 – 17:02
Hello, Anne. I do agree with you that there are innumerable, decent, devout Moslems whom we never hear about. I am thinking of the anaesthetist and the orthopaedic surgeon I had for my two knee replacements, my dentist, a local taxi driver and the very bright and competent man who repairs my computer. All good and decent men. As in all religions, there are good and bad.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 August 20th, 2014 – 17:02
“David Ossitt
August 20th, 2014 – 16:26
Sadly I believe you and Peter are willing to throw the baby out with the bath water. I am thinking of all the good, decent G-d fearing friends and colleagues I made over a long life time. Many were of West Indian origin, fellow students and nurses and other serious minded good people. By all means chuck out or do what you will with the fanatical moslems who hate the JudeoChristian ethics of this country, but please do not allow ourselves to become hateful like our mutual enemy.”
Anne your post above has troubled me, I am not now nor have I ever been racist but I like most of humanity I like to live amongst my own people, this is in my opinion is a normal human trait.
I was born in Leeds, a city with a very large Jewish community and most lived in the north of the city in mainly Jewish areas, areas of private dwellings and council estates, three or four synagogues and community centres that are wholly Jewish, I used to play whist every Friday at a Jewish community centre just off the Leeds ring road, I was made very welcome though I am not a Jew.
The black population that began to arrive with the ‘Windrush’ nearly all settled in the Chapeltown area, ironically an area that had been the home of immigrants mainly Jewish who had prospered and moved further north to newer houses, before that it had been quite a wealthy area, my paternal grandparents bought a house there that had been the Earl of Cowper’s house.
We the indigenous citizens lived and still live in harmony with all incomers but do not in the main choose to live with them, Leeds has a district ‘Headingly’ that is populated in some areas with only students of the Universities and colleges this area has the highest incident of burglaries in the country.
Most incomers from Russia, Europe and beyond settle and become Yorkshire people but those who come from Muslim Countries will never assimilate.
Peter from Maidstone @ 13:28
Neither SAS, nor any any other agency of the State can do any of the stuff you, Anne, other bloggers elsewhere are suggesting for anything other than due process would infringe the thugs’ uman rites. Thanks to the myriad of progressive legislation enacted both by the Tories and Labour we haven’t got the legal tools to get rid of the societal cancer for good. If we catch the troatcutter and the others the max they can get is life with a tariff (the EU courts will insist on the tariff part), they will be released eventually, will draw a pension, walk the streets again. Treason, this.
Apparently, the thug who beheaded Foley is a leader of a group of three the captives nicknamed ‘the Beatles’ because they are British. British? More like British passport holders, welfare recipients.
Malfleur @ 09:36
Baron cannot back either side, Malfleur, the protesters are mad, the police are also mad. Violence has never solved anything permanently.
David Ossitt
August 21st, 2014 – 16:58
Hi David, interesting posting. I agree with you completely in your final paragraph.
Lesley C.
August 21st, 2014 – 16:57
You read in my posting something that was not there. I was writing about black, Christian British subjects, not moslems. Yes there are excellent moslem medical and other specialists, but my posting had no reference to moslems. I was attempting to demonstrate the many black,good citizens we have. Even when they are not good, they are still British,something the moslems seldom are.
Anne, I disagree to some extent. To what degree are Nigerians living in what is called Little Lagos in Lewisham actually British? I don’t believe they are at all. And Lewisham now looks like an African city.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 August 21st, 2014 – 18:07
Anne Peter at 18:10 has a valid point the Nigerians living in what is called Little Lagos in Lewisham see themselves as Nigerians.
However the descendants of the West Indians living in Leeds and elsewhere see themselves as British Christians, the Leeds West Indian Carnival will be celebrated this Bank Holiday, this is an annual event and was the first of its kind in England.
Peter from Maidstone
August 21st, 2014 – 18:10
I didn’t make myself clear. I was referring to West Indians and not Nigerians or others from the African continent. I specifically meant both good and bad West Indians. They are an integral part of our nation.
David Ossitt
August 21st, 2014 – 19:21
Agree! 🙂
Anne, I can’t entirely agree about West Indians. There are many more here than came over on the Windrush, and a great many of them are behind the endemic drug gangs which are destroying so many lives.
AWK1 – Aug 20th, 17:02
Culture requires people to continually reaffirm its values. The silent majority does not do this; they allow the more vocal section of their group to define themselves. In the 1950’s, we were lucky to be able to coast for while: a thousand years of history under our belt and two wins against the Germans!
Today, our children are adapting their heritage more than their forefathers ever did so, helped by mass communication, including the BBC. If you want anything resembling what we had in our childhood, the silent majority are not on our side. It is not that they are necessarily bad, but they are not contributing to keeping the culture on an even keel. It’s not that it shouldn’t change, it is that, without continuity, without any confidence in the future, anything could happen and those that think will make decisions that affect the whole. The Silent Majority need to realise that if they take advantage of anything, yet never contribute, they will loose it. It can be the local village hall or fete or JudeoChristian ethics. It is not a moral problem, it is not hate, it is just how it is. If aliens change British culture, the Britain to which they emigrated will disappear. Is that what they want? If it disappears, they will blame us for allowing it to happen, but they will be the cause.
As an example, people, usually men, would work until retirement. Now, so many high earners are either retiring early or working part time in their fifties because they think, we have enough wealth for retirement, why pay tax at 40 percent and contribute even more to our already sufficient pension fund when we may not get a chance to spend it ourselves? The uncertainty is changing peoples attitudes. If women GPs can work part time for thirty years, why can’t I? But just think of how much society is loosing. Not only all those taxes, but all those wealth creators and service providers are missing from the work force. The NHS didn’t plan for it, so we have staff shortages! Intelligent people can lead happy lives with less money and less guidance from the surrounding culture that the dimwits. That is what Socialists do not understand. It will be the poor who will suffer the earliest and the most.
I think it’s time for someone to organise a Muslims against jihad march.
I think it would help the country to see thousands of Muslims walking through London chanting not in my name and Islamic state go to hell.
Burn a few black flags now and again to show their solidarity with the country who welcomed them in for a better life.
Maybe hope not hate could organise it or perhaps a coalition of our three parties.
Peter from Maidstone
August 21st, 2014 – 21:03
Peter, we will argue on this issue ad infinitum, but I remain firm in stating that the West Indians are British, and those born here are English. The bad gang members who are behind the drug endemic are just as much British as the decent, law abiding ones. They are British in a way the moslems do not want to be or indeed will ever be. Frankly I would be happy to see most of the ‘devout’ moslems deported
RobertC
August 21st, 2014 – 21:10
Robert,I am a horrible, intolerant woman because I think ‘the silent majority’ are a lot of bovine cretins. They allow dictatorships to take over, they permit socialists to twist and corrupt an ethos which enhanced this country for centuries, and they accept the poison that the BBC drip drips into its ears daily.
Anne, I’d have to say that I’d be happy to see West Indian gang members sent home and I don’t consider them English.
In the last 10 years 215,000 Jamaicans have come to live here. How are they different to other recent economic migrants?
RobertC, I agree about culture. Another project in my head is an organisation that maps and encourages ALL institutions, however local and small, which preserve in some way our British/English culture. Not as cultural archaeology but as living experience. So a website that points to all the things in an area that are keeping Britishness going and need local support to do so.
Peter from Maidstone
August 21st, 2014 – 21:30
I would also be glad to kick out criminals. We used to kick out our home grown ones too, down under! Seriously, the difference is they are considered British subjects and it has nothing to do with the EU or ‘humanitarian’ bodies.
AWK1 – 21:14
Some West Indians are civilised, but they are not English!
We are not West Indian British, British-Asian or British-African, we are English, or Welsh etc. Cliff Richard was born in India, but he is English.
Don’t equate civility with being English, the Welsh do not!
I read that, in the USA, 70% of white children live with both parents while 30% of black children do. That is a great difference in culture. While white culture may be trying to emulate black culture in the cities, they are still different heritages.
Lesley C.
August 21st, 2014 – 16:57
The “decent, devout Moslems ” you refer to simply don’t exist. All Muslims believe a 6th Century paedophile is the ‘perfect’ example and they all believe, to the point of violent insanity, every last vile word in their little book of hate.
They are racists, misogynists, supremacists – indeed, they are a cyst upon society. They have created varying levels of discord and misery since the founding of their cult and the world will have no peace until either the Saviour returns to prove they were wrong all along, or humanity decides they can no longer be tolerated and wipes them from the surface of the planet, as one would a dog turd on the shoe.
As a devout atheist, sadly, it’s going to have to be the latter.
One statistic is that in Jamaica 45% of households are single mothers and they have more children than father present households. That same culture of absent fathers with multiple serial partners is reproduced in the UK by Jamaican immigrants.
John birch August 21st, 2014 – 21:12
“I think it’s time for someone to organise a Muslims against jihad march.
I think it would help the country to see thousands of Muslims walking through London chanting not in my name and Islamic state go to hell.”
It will never happen.
David Ossitt – 23:31
True, but it is time for it. 🙂
PfM – 23:30
One problem is that having two parents, one male and one female, who have planned, in fact, who have promised, to bring up their own children gives you a fantastic boost to your chances in life yet, this is considered evil by those wanting to destroy traditional civilised conduct.
It isn’t really a religious matter, though most successful religions do accommodate this as it is unavoidable if you want to be sustainable as a group.
It is impossible for the State to rectify the problem by replacing parents by council representatives, yet this is what we have endured for the past fifty years, if not more. It is the one occasion when I believe in Darwin’s Hypothesis of Change (not Evolution, as this implies intelligence controls the change!)
I bsee that the Climate Change and Global Warmist crank are trying to buy themselves some credibility in the present cold period, by saying that the current ‘pause’ may last for another ten years!
No self doubt, no fundamental re-examination of the evidence and the false deductions made from it, just a persisent refusal to examine the matter without prejudging it./
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-28870988
Peter from Maidstone
August 21st, 2014 – 23:30
One statistic is that in Jamaica 45% of households are single mothers
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/…/Most-babies-born-wedlock-2016-mar...
Daily Mail
Jul 11, 2013 – A record 47.5 per cent of babies were born to unmarried mothers in 2012, …
Baron
August 21st, 2014 – 17:42
I do not believe that this addresses the big picture in Ferguson. A good starting point would be to ask why the Federal government has had a mobile command post there from about Day 1 and what the role and purpose of the Federal government is.
One doesn’t have to back “either side” and not least because there are more than two sides involved. One has to back the United States constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic…
Incidentally, the US ARMY Manual on Civil Unrest was updated on 21st April this year and released for general admiration and education a few days ago. It provides instruction to American soldiers on how to shoot and kill unarmed civilians in the USA.
…………………………….
P.S. It seems the police officer mentioned in an earlier post jumped the gun:
http://www.infowars.com/policeman-suspended-for-pointing-a-rifle-at-a-peaceful-protester-in-missouri/
Peter from Maidstone
Peter, I have enjoyed our discussion, but now must really try and go to sleep. I see that the figures for unmarried mothers in England are sadly very high. Even whilst believing that these numbers are shored up by black mothers and women coming from the EU, it is a deplorable fact of modern life that many of the “chattering” middle class join the English underclass in procreating without the benefit of marriage.
I was recently reading about the supposed “right” to be forgotten, and the extent to which the media & Internet have begun to give effect to it.
Purely by chance, in the course of a conversation with somebody, there was mention of George Orwell’s book – 1984. It’s many years since I read it, and I wondered whether it was time to read it again. Not being able to find a copy on my bookselves, I began by looking it up on Wikipedia. It made me open-mouthed with surprise. All kinds of phenomena and politicians that I have noticed since the year 2000 and especially over the last 3 years very closely resemble the phenomena and ruling class that Orwell described in his book.
The first one that hit me between the eyes, as it were, is the resemblance between the “right to be forgotten” and what Orwell called the “memory hole”.
Now I can’t wait to get my hands on a copy of 1984. But how long is it going to be available? Are the Thought Police going to enforce it’s consignment to the memory hole?
Does anybody else have similar apprehensions?
There is an interesting interview by David Knight here of Mr. Art Thompson, CEO of the John Birch Society. “There’s no riot that occurs that isn’t organized beforehand.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_1523587395&feature=iv&src_vid=c_aIkK0BYbQ&v=cWovkIUIGNI
Herbert Thornton
Given Orwell’s apparent links to the intelligence community, he may have had some inside knowledge of what was being planned for us.
David Ossitt
August 21st, 2014 – 23:31
David as I am sure you know, my tongue was firmly in my cheek.
Support is needed for Royal Marine Sargent A;imprisoned for shooting dead a wounded jahadist.There is an e-petition for his release which needs another 24,000 signatures by 12 November for a Parliamentary committee to be required to consider it.This can be found and signed at
epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/56810
From above.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/56810
Radford NG
Are any details available of the circumstances in which the Marine shot the jihadist?
“John Brennan
. Longtime CIA official
. Converted to Islam while serving in an official capacity on the behalf of the U.S. in Saudi Arabia
. Served as a senior advisor to Barack Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign
. Said in 2009 that he was “pleased to see that a lot of Hezbollah individuals are in fact renouncing … terrorism and violence and are trying to participate in the political process in a very legitimate fashion”
Believes that tactics like waterboarding are not only inconsistent with “our ideals as a nation,” but also “undermine our national security” because they “are a recruitment bonanza for terrorists”
. Explains that “jihad” means “to purify oneself or to wage a holy struggle for a moral goal”
. Supports trials of Islamic terrorists in civilian courts rather than in military tribunals
. In 2011, he called for the FBI to eliminate its “offensive” curriculum/training materials which made reference to “jihad” and “radical Islam.”
. Was involved in crafting the false talking points that then-Secretary of State Susan Rice gave regarding the 9/11/12 terrorist attack against a U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi
. Was appointed as CIA director by President Barack Obama in 2013″
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2577
Time for a UK version of Discover the Networks?
Malfleur at 06-16.
There is an item from `Esmeralda Weatherwax`below.It contains a link to a lengthy article from the Telegraph by a journalist who was with the Unit that replaced the one Sgnt.A was with.(comments have been removed from this) There is also another link to “another article here”which is from the Daily Mail and which is complete with comments.
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/52323
As the son of two teachers (from the 1930s onwards) who spent much of my childhood raining against the retrogressive changes being introduced by the Ministry of Education, I was tickled by this:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyyoung/100283606/the-school-that-proves-michael-gove-is-right/
Radford NG 08:45
Many thanks. I will read myself in and will no doubt end up signing the petition.
A propos of Sainsbury’s and Travel Lodge:
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Prosor-Qatar-will-soon-be-second-largest-sponsor-of-terror-371475
What else do they have their bloodied arm dipped into in the United Kingdom?
The focus of leftist demonstrators on Israel’s actions in it own defence is evidence of their role as accessories to the crimes of these pampered louts and cronies of the House of Thani – the shake-down sheiks.
A horse! a horse! my kingdom for a horse!.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2688204/SEBASTIAN-SHAKESPEARE-HMs-cousin-tears-royal-snub-Qataris.html
Radford NG,
I too signed the petition and was proud to do so, whether anything concrete will come of it is another matter. Amongst our rulers the opinions of the demos are something to be despised and ignored except for the day before an election, after which they can be safely consigned to limbo.
Daniel Hannan’s article allowed postings, until … they were not acceptable to people who cannot accept the truth:
What makes some British Muslims become jihadis?
Comments are closed.
Malfleur @ 01:08
Here is a take on Ferguson one can subscribe to:
http://www.amren.com/news/2014/08/to-understand-the-ferguson-riots-look-to-africa/
Radford NG @ 05:35
Baron signed, too, has sent it to 17 others, of whom 9 have also signed, so far.
This is what the Wild West must have looked like: Be careful, the video clip isn’t for the squeamish.
https://www.youtube.com/verify_controversy?next_url=/watch%3Fv%3DHi0lYWZ_stA
The Ferguson fuck-up:
(And I don’t mean Manchester United’s recent decline).
http://www.ivymikecafe.com/2014/08/21/ferguson-when-assholes-collide-2/
Philosophical musing from the Ivy Mike Cafe.
h/t American Digest.
Does this NHS doctor hold the key to identifying ‘Jihadi John’? East London medic once accused of kidnapping journalists in Syria probed with his brother as hunt for world’s most wanted man intensifies (From Daily Mail)
When I think of some GPs I had the misfortune to visit, also rubbish in NHS A&Es, I believe he could have caused more damage by staying in London.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/08/22/UK-HT-Spokesperson-Says-Muslim-Armies-Rise-Up
No more than what we expected.
RobertC – 14:53
Here is the link:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100283661/what-makes-some-british-muslims-fight-for-isis/
Frank P @ 15:58
This guy, not the messiah, should be in charge of the Republic, his slicing of what’s wrong (not only there, but here, too for his dissection fits our predicament with only minor adjustments) beats the bleating of any of the assholes he surveys: the language is rough, the message priceless, the advice common sensical. It pains Baron to say it, but both America and the Blighty are beyond the point of doing any of it. Both will convulse, and only then can the reincarnation begin.
Radford NG
I have read the links you gave and a couple of other reports.
The original sentence of life with a minimum period of ten years was reduced on appeal to a minimum period of eight years.
I see that the petition asks for the immediate release of Sergeant Blackman.
I don’t think the call for immediate release can be squared with the following account:
“The video showed Blackman shoot the insurgent in the chest, telling him to “shuffle off this mortal coil, you c***. It’s nothing you wouldn’t do to us.” He then told the rest of his patrol to keep quiet because he had broken the Geneva Convention.”
I would agree with his defence lawyer that the original sentence was “manifestly excessive” and in fact that argument was accepted by the Court when it reduced the sentence. A more understanding Court might have halved the original period or even reduced it to a token two years unless the Court has limite authority to reduce the sentence in the circumstances.
It was however impossible, in my view, for the Court to have accepted the primary argument of Sergeant Blackman’s lawyer that the conviction itself was unsafe, if only because the murder was filmed and Sergeant Blackman recorded admitting on the spot that he had just broken the Geneva Convention. Whether government has any basis for ordering immediate release in the face of that, I don’t know. I would have thought however that the concept of military discipline, however hard the case, could not permit acceptance by government of a petition for immediate release where the evidence was so clear, however sympathetic government might otherwise be.
The argument that the dead terrorist had not felt himself bound by the same civilised rule risks that we become the thing we contemplate. And the maxim ‘no names, no pack drill” which might have operated in less clear-cut circumstances, can hardly be expected to be applied when there ARE ‘names’ in the form of an audio and video recording of the incident.
http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Marine-Sergeant-Alexander-Blackman-loses-murder/story-21127038-detail/story.html
I would therefore have wished that the petition could have asked for early rather than immediate release as Sergeant Blackman’s most honourable career has already been destroyed. I hope that is not a quibble. But I have not been able to persuade myself that we can argue that where the enemy has not subscribed to the Geneva Convention, those who have are freed from its constraints and the consequences of its breach. I think Sergeant Blackman knew that at the time.
I am open to being persuaded by Wallsters that there are nonetheless overriding considerations for signing the present petition.
Baron
August 22nd, 2014 – 22:24
I am glad to see that you and Frank P now subscribe to the legalization of drugs in the USA.
Some clocks are more important than others:
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Malfleur 00:01
If you infer that from my linking comment of 15:58 then you are even more stupid than I already suspected.
Frank P
Always the old charmer!
Perhaps you don’t read your own links.
Malfleur – August 22nd, 2014 – 23:55
You say -”….. I have not been able to persuade myself that we can argue that where the enemy has not subscribed to the Geneva Convention, those who have are freed from its constraints and the consequences of its breach. I think Sergeant Blackman knew that at the time.”
I don’t know whether this will persuade you otherwise, but I would argue that we should also consider the attitude of the enemy to the Geneva Convention.
If an enemy – despite not having subscribed to the Convention – nonetheless does not have a policy of completely ignoring the Convention’s principles, then I would agree that a conviction such as that of Sergeant Blackman would be entirely correct in law.
However, where the enemy has a policy of completely rejecting the principles of the Convention and an obvious history of committing atrocities – (and that is true of both the Taliban and other Islamic terror groups is it not?) – then to my mind, the conviction of Sergeant Blackman hangs by such a thin legal thread that the heaviest appropriate punishment is a reprimand.
Herbert 04:46
Personally I’d give him a medal.
A. For removing an enemy
B. For putting him out of his misery
Two very different reasons but the results the same.
John Birch,
I am with you 100% John, they who pursued and prosecuted this man have never faced a greater danger than crossing the road, they have no comprehension of armed combat against a ruthless opponent for whom atrocity is a legitimate weapon of war, these animals are not deserving of any consideration, regarding as they do articles such as the Geneva Convention, as a sign of weakness. Why is it always the British that go out of their way to give comfort to the enemy? I do not recall the French or the Americans prosecuting their troops for putting their lives on the line for defending their interests. I hope that when this soldier is finally released that some kind soul out there will give him a job as our cowardly authorities would gladly watch the man and his family starve in the gutter while Muslim fanatics are pampered with benefits.
Some will just not see how they are playing with their own demise:
Matthew Parris, on the front page, in today’s Times: Don’t lump all Muslims in the extremist camp
I have had a belly full of Mathew Parris, enough for one week, the drivel he served up ion this weeks Speccie makes one wonder where his brains are. Mr P waxes wondrously about moderate Muslims, of which there are few, and those few, very far between. The gentleman is, how can I put this tactfully, as bent as a corkscrew, and if those he is so eager to champion ever got their way, it would not be his head they chopped off, well at least, not in the first instance.
On one hand Farage has a suggestion that builds on our heritage:
“UKIP leader Nigel Farage has called on Britain’s Prime Minister David Cameron to take a stand on the Islamic State and strip UK nationals who are fighting abroad of their citizenship and cancel passports using the little-known Foreign Enlistment Act of 1870.”
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/08/20/Farage-Cites-Foreign-Enlistment-Act
On the other hand, May takes a different approach:
‘Home Secretary prepares to introduce ‘anti-social behaviour order’ for extremists and strip dual nationals of their citizenship’
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11052486/Theresa-May-New-laws-to-tackle-British-jihadists.html
I am surprised that removing dual nationality is not available now, and anti-social behaviour orders ! She is havin’ me on, isn’t she?
https://www.gov.uk/asbo
Antisocial Behaviour Order (ASBO)
“Anyone over the age of 10 can be given an ASBO if they behave antisocially.
Behaving antisocially includes:
drunken or threatening behaviour
vandalism and graffiti
playing loud music at night”
That’ll show’m we mean business!
For some reason my last comment is being moderated:
“Your comment is awaiting moderation”
I am sure all my apostrophes are correctly applied.
Is it due to the three links?
The Muslim as victim shit again
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4641/isis-zionist-plot
You may have seen it, the seven rules to avoid getting one’s arse kicked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8&app=desktop
Asbo’s for extremists.
As Richard Littlejohn would say , you couldn’t make it up.
Malfleur 23:55
You quite right, Malfeur, what Blackman did was unquestionably murder, he killed a defenceless man barbarously, showed no mercy. The verdict of murder fits.
But the sentencing?
It wasn’t a premeditated murder, no malice aforethought, the soldier didn’t say to himself the evening before ‘if I injure one of the villains, I’ll finish him off in cold blood’. The incident happened after some of the men he was responsible for, may have shared a cigarette with only minutes before, got blown to pieces. As the shoot-out was raging he must have lost it, blacked out, moved into another world. The cracking up lasts a minute for some, hours for others, it doesn’t always show in one’s behaviour, one doesn’t necessarily shout, fume, go bonkers, we are all of different make up in this respect.
Baron once suffered from a similar blacking out when his friend got attacked by a drunken man brandishing a knife, for almost half an hour kept bashing the assailant with his fists, calmly, methodically, couldn’t be pulled off, until the hitting nearly finished him off. Not the thug, Baron. Why? Even today, the incident happened almost half a century ago, the barbarian cannot tell. A similar traumatic reaction may have got hold of Blackman, he has never done it before, was a top rated warrior, a solid record.
Why should the Army go public with the incident? Baron reckons they wanted to appease the worshippers of Allah, as if the troatcutters cared. They wanted to show to the civilised world our boys kill differently from them, stick to the Geneva convention or else, as if in each and every case in conditions of war in one minute a man can face another man with the intention of killing him, the next minute he kisses him on both cheeks. It’s desirable, the boys who risk their lives on our behalf should be told to adhere to it, but exceptions happen, Blackman was one such an exception. The Army also wanted to prove to itself the chivalric code of combat of the past, when Britain could afford to be magnanimous, still applies, as if ruining a good man’s life was the best way to show it does.
Baron reckons that if there is another Justice over and above the one designed by men, and Baron believes there is, the men who sentenced Blackman will be punished in its courts. It’s very likely they, the judges, have no combat experience of the sort Blackman went through, and the loudest bang they’ve ever heard was very likely their farting after a glass of port in one of the safe, violence free Pall Mall clubs. (Btw, did you know we have today more generals in the Army than tanks?).
But you may be right, instead of signing you’d be better off listenning to Savage.
News from Ukraine:
In Kiev, a big celebration of the country’s independence is planned for tomorrow, the military will take part in force as well. A similar event should take place in Odessa, other major cities. In Donetsk, the pro-Russian rebels are to stage a different event on the same day – a march of the Ukrainian prisoners of war, a small replica of the German war prisoners marching through the streets of Moscow after WW2.
Both sides to the conflict ought to be brought to an international war tribunal, this warmongering leads to nothing more than the suffering of the unwashed. The country was poor before the warring began, it’s has turned into a basket case because of it. If, as seems likely, Ukraine falls into the sphere of the EUSSR, it will be us who will have to bail the country out. Another reason for getting out of the monstrosity.
John birch @ 13:31
Laughable, isn’t it. What fuels the brain cells of these people, John? The asbos will be a badge of honour for the jihadists. If prison sentences cannot deter them, how on earth could anyone think a banning order will.
The only way out is to scrap the uman rites nonsense, quit the EU, go back to the justice system we had before the progressives took over.
Malfleur @ 00:01
Baron’s on the borderline on drugs, he can easily move one way or the other. If the statisticians are now to include the drug trade into the GDP stats (together with proceeds from prostitution £17bn is to be counted in for the GDP data; only expenditure from, no income to the Treasury from the drug market) it seems only a question of time before a part legalisation hits us. How about cannabis for pain relief?
“This entire federal government is geared up to fight a war against white people.” Michael Savage on the Obama administration.
“Not one word about what goes on in the muslim world from the women’s movement…not one word from a Hollywood actor about the beheading….Do you fel threatened by islamo-fascists in America…?” Michael Savage (banned from entry to the United Kingdom)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3JDkU4E0cU
“The people around us are going to kill us all if we don’t wake up.”
(ibid. Michael Savage comments while listening to a press conference by Secretary of Defence and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff)
Malfleur, there are more than one gun per head in the US, Baron’s told. It’s would be MAD, mutually assured destruction if the shoot out were to start. More likely, it’s everyone knowing that everyone else is heavily armed that will prevent the conflict. If a group were to shoot everyone around as a way of living it can never be sure there isn’t another group somewhere better armed that will wipe them out eventually. This doesn’t rule out the freaks initiating such rampage, but can there be more than one Savage? Surely not.
The messiah has a dilemma, should he or should he not go after the IS thugs? It feels more like the former because the press won’t let go, one of their ranks has been decapitated. If the Americans were to put boots on the ground to attack the IS monsters it will have to be also in Syria, IS has the strongest support there. How will they do it? Will they breach the international law by invading the country without Assad’s OK, or will they talk to him, few months after they did everything to topple his regime. Invading without Assad’s go ahead will also look bad since the US objected to Putin’s relief convoy entering Ukraine without Kiev’s permission, called it ‘a blatant disregard for international law’.
More to the point, if the messiah didn’t start the ‘Putin’s an evil’ campaign, he could have got the KGB colonel to help in Syria. As things stand it will again be the coalition of the willing. Baron expects our stance on doing business with Assad will undergo a 180deg turnaround, too. Madness, sheer madness.
Baron,
You are right, the loudest bang some of these characters have heard is farting after a glass of Port. For the sake of propriety one has to hope they waited until after the Loyal Toast before launching into a rendition of the Trumpet Voluntary.
This clip’s noisy, but lasts only seven minutes. The Israel haters chose the wrong district, but then they wanted to dispaly their ignorance in front of Jewish businesses, so there they got it, a spontaneous response from the business owners and shoppers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkZdVeb9iSY&app=desktop
Baron – 13:42 ‘Justice over and above the one designed by men’
Not only do the box-tickers not know about this justice, they have no room in their world should it be needed.
The tipping point is getting closer:
EXCLUSIVE VIDEO: Anti-Israel Protesters Defend Hitler, Police Eject Pro-Israel Man
“LONDON, United Kingdom – Hundreds of anti-Israel protesters lined the streets of Westminster today in yet another show of ‘solidarity’ with Hamas in the Gaza Strip.
Breitbart London was present to document the scenes as demonstrators defended Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler, wearing t-shirts with his face on them, and stated that there should be ‘no two state solution’ to the crisis in the Middle East. [ie. no State of Israel]
One man turned up with an Israeli flag and attempted to peacefully counterprotest on the opposite side of the road to the Gaza demonstrators. He was quickly surrounded, telling Breitbart London he felt “physically intimated”. Police refused to allow the man to protest, possibly in fear of his safety.”
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/08/23/Anti-Israel-Protests-Number-10-Aug-23
CMD, where is he?
Baron
August 23rd, 2014 – 18:43
When I saw this I thought the pro- Israel crowd would be stopped by the police if it was taking place in England. Reading the post above I am proved right. The police should be wearing brown shirts here!
Baron
Ferguson
Here is another of the sides:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/08/23/Steve-King-Race-Hustlers-Jesse-Jackson-Al-Sharpton-Trying-to-Monetize-Ferguson-Unrest
But there is always Haydn – especially on a Sunday morning when the news continues to darken.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6QMWVh0_j4
Worth fighting for?
Typical!
EU-funded space project in jeopardy after satellites are launched into WRONG orbit
A MULTI-BILLION pound space program paid for by the European Union is at risk after two satellites were launched into the WRONG orbit.
http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/science-technology/502643/ESA-launch-satellites-wrong-orbit-Galileo
Could say the same about Ukraine!
Robert C
“CMD, where is he?”
Probably making sure that the English Defence League which has members or supporters who fly the Israel flag at its peaceable assemblies is well kettled.
Baron
August 23rd, 2014 – 18:04
That is why the US Federal government is undertaking a sustained campaign to subvert the 2nd Amendment by, for example, bringing about a position where there is no longer one lead smelter in the United States while at the same time “Homeland Security” has bought 1.6 BILLION rounds of ammunition:
“…the Department of Homeland Security has issued an open purchase order for 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. As reported elsewhere, some of this purchase order is for hollow-point rounds, forbidden by international law for use in war, along with a frightening amount specialized for snipers. Also reported elsewhere, at the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month. Therefore 1.6 billion rounds would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years…”.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbenko/2013/03/11/1-6-billion-rounds-of-ammo-for-homeland-security-its-time-for-a-national-conversation/
Go figure…
Al Qaeda is the secret army of the new world order.
Prove it’s not true.
And ISIS is the new name for Al Qaeda.
Prove it’s not true.
Madness! If a charity worker wishes to work in Africa, or anywhere else, then that is his/her affair. An Ebola victim is being flown to the Royal Free Hospital in London to be treated here. Philip Hammond earlier announced that teh NHS can cope with Ebola. Not enough we have Jihadists, criminal moslems and all the scum from aroud the world, now we have to import a lethal plague disease.
Please excuse bad typing – I wrote in a hurry.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1
August 24th, 2014 – 13:07
Had a thought. Why can’t this humanitarian go to a hospital in Bradford?
AWK1 – 13:37
🙂
If Carey isn’t careful he will be the next UKIP member in Parliament (HoL)
Multiculturalism has brought us honour killings and Sharia law, says Archbishop
Former Archbishop of Canterbury says multiculturalism to blame for Britons joining Isil …
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11053646/Multiculturalism-has-brought-us-honour-killings-and-Sharia-law-says-Archbishop.html
Malfleur, a map for you to ponder the tactical moves of the Ukrainian and pro-Russian forces. Anything you can read from it?
http://en.ria.ru/infographics/20140811/191902618/Prospects-Of-The-Conflict–In-Ukraines-Southeast.html
RobertC @ 14:14
What is it with our religious and political leaders? Are they so dimwitted, or is there something else in their DNA make up to account for their inability to detect what simple people can figure years earlier?
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 @ 13:37
Anne, how could you. Hasn’t the city of Bradford suffered enough?
Malfleur @ – 00:10
This piece of news has hit the pages of newspapers some time ago, surprisingly it hasn’t been either confirmed or denied. If it’s true, why haven’t the Republicans asked for an explanation. There has been a dead silence on the issue. How does it fit the conspiracy theory of yours then? Did the elites of both political parties combine to take over the Republic, the continent, the world?
RobertC @ 23:56
Baron recalls, very vaguely, that years ago the european space scientists working on another project messed things up, too. A part of the project used metric measurements, the other went the imperial route. The mistake was discovered only after the gear was ready. That’s science for you, Robert.
BTW, wasn’t the rocket that launch the satellites of Russian origin. Baron smells the hand of the evil KGB colonel. The new, EU owned GPS system was also supposed to rival that of Russia codenamed Glonass.
And last, Fraser Nelson of the Spectator is at it again, advocating we take more, many more refugees. Are people like him genuinely loopy or just blind, oblivious to the how the country feels? If this carries on, the resentment could reach a point where only barricades will do.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/fraser-nelson/2014/08/britain-must-open-its-arms-to-the-new-wave-of-asylum-seekers-that-it-has-helped-to-create/
Baron.
The Fraser Nelsons of this World are not loopy, they are only arrogant and self satisfied. They are quite happy to flood the country with immigrants , as if these denizens of the Third Wold were a tin of Brasso with which to polish their sense of moral superiority. Of course this is on the strict proviso that such folk do not live next door to them.
Malfleur @ 00.10
Baron was wrong suggesting nothing much has been said about the militarisation of the police. The messiah has found a spare minute from his golfing obsession, ordered a review of the policy:
http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/25491-obama-orders-review-of-police-militarization.
stephen maybery@August 24th, 2014 – 16:17
tghe westminster bubble lot dont have to live in a multi culti hell hole like southall or luton.
not many muzzies in Haselmere!
Errata with apologies attached:
In one of the postings, it should have read ‘… simple people could have figured years ago; many commas are missing; ‘oblivious to how the country feels’ rather than ‘the how the country…’.
The blogging today was carried out as a sideline to Baron’s war on moles. Yup, you’ve heard right, the garden of the barbarian has been infested with at least a couple of them, each working on its own patch. Where did they come from remains a mystery, there was no sign of ‘moling’ activity two weeks ago, then suddenly a mighty burst, followed by a series of bursts. No remedy seems to have the power to stop the rodents (is it a rodent?).
Drowning them came to nothing even though the water flow seems to have disappeared in the cavities well. The advice from googling was mainly from the Americans of the sort ‘get rid of the grub, they feed on grub’. What the hell is grub in a Suffolk garden? One of the patches happens to run around a massive stump of a huge willow tree brought down last winter. On it, there hangs a number of bird feeders, anything that drops down as the bird keep packing on the peanuts gets gobbled up by other birds and moorhens. Could this encourage grub?
Next, Baron bough half a dozen plastic windmills, the thing one gets for kids to run around with, apparently their noise frightens the little buggers. Not those in Baron’s garden though. In desperation, the barbarian bought a gadget that gets plugged into a house socket, produces a high pitch noise undetectable to human ear, but one that mice, other domestic nuisance on four legs cannot stand. It got wrapped in a plastic bag in case it rained, pushed into the mole excavated cavity. You reckon it helped? Not at all, the little creatures’ productivity got boosted, another nine molehills in one night.
You may think this is a minor irritation. If you do, you’re wrong. It has turned Baron into a raving killer today, the whole day, interrupted only to get some sustenance, he was sitting amongst the molehills, waiting patiently for any movement of soil, but all in waste. Tomorrow morning though, it will be another half a dozen of molehills …
Any advice, particularly one that could get rid of this menace, will be more than gratefully received.
Baron, give them an Asbo . That should sort them out.
Baron
August 24th, 2014 – 20:55
You might find this helps re Moles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fePU5CIHpas
Baron – Moles
Or possibly this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0n8N98mpes
Baron
August 24th, 2014 – 16:03
ISIS is the army of the New World Order and David Cameron is its prophet.
Baron
Sorry, that should have read:
ISIS is the army of the New World Order and Fraser Nelson is its prophet.
I get a little excitable in the morning if I haven’t had my cup of tea.
http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/lesson-from-ferguson-when-chaos-comes-dont-wait-on-cops/
Unfortunately for the English, the good guys have already had their right to own guns taken away from them…
What’s that I hear you say?
Well here is how a complete nutter would respond to you:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-173487/Why-I-demand-right-carry-gun.html
Verity, always thinking of you. Hope all’s well.
Lord Heseltine is another nutcase, up there with the rest of them. His latest pronouncement:
Foreign students should be excluded from government plans to cut net immigration to the UK, former cabinet minister Lord Heseltine has said.
The ex-deputy prime minister said non-EU students should be left out of official immigration figures to avoid the risk of damaging UK universities.
He told the BBC that overseas students were “not the sort of people that are causing the anxiety about immigration”.
Does his lordship think that we should rather be wary of old age pensioners and those in their dotage?
Many thanks for the suggestions on the war on moles, asbos for the moles are about as good as those for the worshippers of Allah, John, Carrott’s good, and if one clicks on it there are genuine clips trailing the funny man that are helpful, one’s suggesting pieces of chewing gum, it says they choke on it. Well, that’s what they are going to get today.
Malfleur@ 00:38
In complete agreement with Peter Hitchens on the issue of guns, Baron has been, will always be. The only thing missing from his piece, Malfleur, is a statement that the progressive elites need defenceless people if they are to carry on with the experiment of engineering a new human soul, one that has little affinity with what real life is about. It the past, the authorities were relaxed about people owning guns, it helped reduce crime, cut costs of crime prevention for the Exchequer, presented no danger to the ruling elites because the vast majority of the governed endorsed the laws under which they lived.
If one were to break the laws passed then and now into two categories – malum prohibitum and malum in se – Baron reckon s the difference would be striking. Today, it’s seldom the lawmakers pass any other statute but one under the former heading. Where is the criminality in driving and eating an apple, smoking in one’s car, possessing a gun?
Malfleur @ 00:38
A side issue, Malfleur, but one that Baron obsesses about. Just look at the photo of the bunch of the defenders (Baron applauds them, btw, that’s the way to face a mob if the police aren’t around), but you look at their physique, all young, all overweight already, well, not one of them looks slim to Baron, a couple of them carrying enough adipose tissue to make them almost round.
In another clip of the rioters (Baron cnnt locate it in a hurry), there were five or six women, all of Afro-Carribbean origin, mid aged, running away, all grotesquely obese, all of them. This, together with drugs, are the two killers of the once great Republic, perhaps, the coming caliphate or the people Savage talks about taking over, will do the American burghers raised on burgers good, no?