This is the Coffee House Wall for this week. I won’t say that it is your chance to communicate with us, as we are all in this together. It is, nevertheless, the Blog post that has no particular theme, and where everything is on topic. Let’s just remember that we want to avoid ad hominem attacks on others. We don’t want to engage with trolls. We want to moderate our language ourselves as responsible and mature adults, choosing to use fruity language only where it is necessary. This is our opportunity to show what the Spectator Coffee House Wall could have been like.
For the Blogroll, possibly the New English Review, for its regular contributions from Theodore Dalrymple and Hugh Fitzgerald, and perhaps a magazine known as The Spectator, a paradoxical form of installation art by the Fraser Nelson collective representing the triumph of inoffensive orthodoxies over robust common sense.
Austin Barry (10.07)
I have to admit I have rather lost faith in Fraser Nelson. I don’t want to be unjust, but he usually comes across as a youthful and inexperienced economist on the make. I don’t think a young economist is the right person to be editor of The Spectator.
Why? Because economists have the habit of interpreting the high in terms of the low – which always distorts the high.
Politically, as far as I can glean, he is some kind of one-world pro-globalisation liberal interventionist. Not really a conservative in mind or outlook.
His blogs aren’t that frequent but I still find Cynicus Economicus worth going to:
http://cynicuseconomicus.blogspot.com/
It seems to me that the Spectator Coffee House editors are content with telemachus’ fairly frequent swipes at this Wall, and that they have come to a tacit agreement with what he thinks. I don’t read complaints of censorship and blocking from telemachus but they are still evident from others. So he/she/it gets straight through regardless of the nature and import of the contributions. They think that lucid people who express right-wing thought are extremists but babbling idiots who express thoughtless leftism are acceptable. That shows where their balance lies.
Last week I did not buy the Speccie and I do not think I will return to it’s pages for some considerable time as threcreep to the left and the creeps it gives space to are more than I am prepared to pay for. I checked one of it’s blog sites last week, and there he was, bold as brass and twice as solid, Tele-Mucus, snot in a bri-nylon suite. It says everything you need to know about the editorship of this publication that they are ready willing and eager to broadcast the views of such individuals are cultivated while the likes of us are hounded out, but we are the ones who have kept the Spectator going, if enough of us walk then the Spectator sinks, and all for love of Telemachus.
Austin Barry and Wily Trout I agree. Part of the recent shift of the “centre” ground to what would once have been termed left of centre seems to be accompanied by a general trend to scorn or demonise “right wing” as meaning something extremist and unacceptable. It is bad enough the left doing it but galling when the likes of Fraser Nelson joins in. It is often used as a qualifier whereas one seldom hears the qualifier “left wing” these days.
The term “conservative” really needs to be reclaimed from Cameron who is using it under false pretences. He is sailing under false colours. The Spectator seems to have fallen under the delusion of a need for neutrality or “balance” which I guess is an import from Andrew Neil’s BBC programmes. There is a conflict of interest there and I suspect he is trying to avoid any accusations of bias from the Spectator being seen as a traditional conservative journal.
In the link posted about Roger Helmer’s defection to UKIP he made the point about the need to broaden UKIP’s identity from a single-issue party. I think UKIP have the wrong colours, the wrong symbol and the wrong name which is holding them back from a broader acceptance and the possibility of mass defections from the Conservative Party. The timing seems appropriate for a re-branding exercise and a clarion call to form a new conservative – a real conservative – party in Britain. It would also have the advantage of distancing conservatism from the “Tory” brand, as well as the “Bullingdon”, “Toff” and “Eton” brands.
Also, I have noticed another media trend of late which The Spectator seems to have latched on to: articles written not to inform or to provoke thought, but written merely to provoke. I suspect this is related to trying to achieve responses or ‘hits’. These ‘hits’ are the new test of quality, it seems.
Rod Liddle wrote some time ago that there is a natural upper circulation limit for The Spectator before it loses its quality character.
I don’t think FN sees that or cares. I fear that FN’s primary concern is ‘hits’. And he thinks the way to achieve this is by crude tabloid-like provocation.
Good morning, y’all!
P from M – Coffee House Wall has gone up on the blog roll of Chicago Boyz in the US.
Nicholas, on the last comment of the last week’s last thread: “Blair looked positively evil”. I have always thought, from Day One, that Blair looked positively evil. Also, I always thought he looked positively deranged.
I’m not so sure, in the sense that whereas I used to visit the Spectator site every 5 minutes throughout the day, now I rarely do because the blogs are as uninteresting as they had become, and the comments are now not worth the effort. I’d have thought that their visitor numbers would be going down rather than up.
I think that perhaps it is just that most of the staff don’t know what journalism is, and don’t know how to write about a subject, or investigate it in any depth. And of course, that none of them are actually conservatives at all.
Publius … It is because we all share your views of Fraser Nelson, although some of us are a little more robust in our wording, that we are here, not there. It is also because he deserted in the field of Neathergate.
Further to my comment about Blair … some may remember that I wrote before, on the old, clapped out Coffee House but before Fraser became editor, that I was living overseas and had never heard of Tony Blair, who was then in Opposition. I was home for a holiday with my mother. We were watching the news and Blair was being interviewed. I was chilled. I said, “That is a very evil man.” My mother replied, “Yes. He is. And he will get in.” There was a weird inevitability about Blair.
Nicholas, a very good post and UKIP has been aware for some time that the name is not a motivating one. United Kingdom Independence Party is a good name, but it was inevitable that it would get shortened … not necessarily maliciously, either. Simply because the name is too much of a mouthful for a news brief. So the old identity problem prevails … UKIP has spent 15 years or so developing an identity and can’t jettison it now without losing a great deal of ballast. It needs some right wing, genuinely conservative advertising company to donate its talents and time to a subtle but effective rebranding exercise.
British Independence Party might work. And the acronym BIP would be picked up on … although the P at the end is weak …
Publius: “I don’t think FN sees that or cares. I fear that FN’s primary concern is ‘hits’.”
I think FN’s concdern is getting into David Cameron’s good books (sad ambition) and getting a job in what we laughingly refer to as “government”.
As to the Barclay brothers, one wonders what their agenda is. Making money is apparently not a factor as The Speccie must be leaking money out of every nook and cranny.
Publius, Fraser Nelson’s police blog that followed Jonathan Jones blog on the same subject was almost certainly intended to provoke. It even included what he must have thought was a sting in the tail by whining about the unaffordable cost of pensions for ex-police officers over 50 which seemed to be aimed. Nasty and ageist. I see it has now disappeared, probably because he had demonstrated that he didn’t read the linked article before blogging the nonsense.
He is just another one of those who sneers at reactionary dinosaurs like us, not appreciating that most of us actually lived through the events that he relies on leftist propaganda to try to understand. It is typical nasty ageism of the type so prevalent in Britain where age and experience is vilified rather than valued. We still live in the country we were born in but are apparently no longer allowed to compare then and now without attracting derision from those who boast that it is now so much better without actually having experienced what was supposedly so “bad”. That attitude combines arrogance and stupidity but you just have to roll your eyes, pour another whisky and drink a toast:-
Here’s tae us
Wha’s like us
Damn few
And they’re a’ deid –
Mairs the pity!
Confident in the knowledge that those who have gone ahead are a damn sight better folk than those we’ll leave behind.
Since Nigel Farage appeared on the political scene I have thought that he might provide an alternative to the old parties; but, as throughout the post WWII years with other renegades, he has found it difficult to wean people away from betting on the two horse race. One would have thought that since the ‘accidental’ formation of the current ConLimp administration, Farage et al have a better chance of forming a radical conservative outfit to oust what has now become a political melange which is both weak and dangerous.
I agree with Nicholas that the Left has already successfully daubed ‘neo-fascist’ on the UKIP logo and this will be believed by hoi polloi who are the shape of the last arse that sat on ’em (in the main). Surely it’s up to the Tory Party from within to exploit the potential of the traditionalist and small c conservative electorate, which, despite several decades of brainwashing through an education system almost entirely manned by long marchers, still remains a majority if properly organised – in England, anyway. It seems a shame that people like Farage, Dan Hannan, Bill Cash, Roger Helmer and other apostates from Camconservatism can’t marshall a ground swell of opinion against him and somehow force an election through insurrection. I would have thought a two month or so pre-election campaign with those named above and others of like mind under a new banner – something like the Real Conservative Party, as Nicholas suggests,would be able to beat a Labour Party under the weird Milimarx. If that’s not so then maybe a mass defection of voters to UKIP is one way of putting the frighteners on the thinkwank wonks that are now calling the political shots in England. It’s pissing into the wind, I know, but something has to be done.
Peter
For the blog-roll: American Digest; American Thinker; the first an apostate of the Left on the lines of Breitbart, but somewhat mere cerebral and funny occasionally outrageous and quirky. The second a conglomerate of several rightist writers. Please.
Verity re Blair – agreed. I should have written that he looked “especially evil” in that footage. I thought much the same thing and could not believe that the British people had fallen for such an obvious charlatan. Then my eyes were opened to how the British had changed as a nation following the death of Diana. The backbone seemed to have been extracted en masse and replaced with mawkish blubber and a need to parade their emotions in some kind of television one-upmanship. Throwing flowers at a passing hearse and clapping at funerals horrifies me, as does the televised demonstrative public hugging and weeping that follows every tragedy. Quiet, contemplative respect seems a thing of the past. Stoicism in adversity or pain is gone.
PS Fraser’s police blog hasn’t disappeared after all. It’s just the weird Speccie site.
Two aspects of “early Blair” stick in my mind. The fact that he wanted to hobnob on TV with the likes of Noel Gallagher and Bono rather than anonymous people who had dedicated their lives to public service and charity (I blame him entirely for much of Britain’s ageism). And the day he returned from a weekend at Chequers wearing blue jeans and carrying a guitar, whence I downgraded him from conniving charlatan to total wanker. Perhaps we can have some fun with a Blair-o-rama of his most remembered vomit-inducing stunts and performances?
As I said, the P at the end of BIP (British Independence Party) is weak. What about the British Independence Alliance? BIA. It has a strong, conservative sound to it. And the word “alliance” gives it an open, fair and cooperative feeling.
Frank P … I think the Conservative Party is dead, its identity in shreds, torn to pieces by people who cannot get their brains round the word “conservative”. (To conserve … as in, Dave ‘n’ Sam and their families conserve their vast private fortunes and estates. As do Nick Clegg and his family.)
I think UKIP, with a change of name, could be viable. Nigel Farage is not only capable, but he is a beguiling personality, as the electorate would find out to their happy surprise if he was ever accorded airtime. They will have to drop the name. It is holding them back. British Independence Alliance has a strong, martial feel to it, and “the BIA” has a good ring.
Frank P … “hoi polloi” – good memory!
leviathan
March 4th, 2012 – 09:48
You wrote, pointing to Britain now:
“Malfleur have you seen this
The Frankfurt school of political correctness recommended (amongst other things):
1. the creation of racism offences
2.continual change to create confusion
3.the teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
4.the undermining of schools and teachers’ authority
5.huge immigration to destroy national identity
6.the promotion of excessive drinking
7.emptying the churches
8.an unreliable legal system with bias against the victim of crime
9.dependency on the state or state benefits
10.control and dumbing down of media
11.encouraging the breakdown of the family”
What is to be done?
The Coffee House Wall school of CPC (counter political correctness) searches for a programme to reverse the successes of the Frankfurt school. This involves the same difficult task that faced Gramsci, namely how to change the zeitgeist (or as Frank P might put it, how to piss into the wind without getting wet).
Seizing the dialectic as our weapon, we propose a long march through the institutions with the following draft platform – additions, modifications, deletions invited -:
1. Abolition of laws purporting to curb racism, etc; radical pruning or uprooting of EU laws.
2. Promote conservation of the best.
3.Removal of schools’ responsibility for teaching sexual matters.
4. Buttressing of authority to schools and teachers
5. Reversal of immigration flows and imposition of a quality first criterion.
6. Opposition to excessive drinking.*
7. Support church going.
8. Simplify laws, restore reliability of police and legal system, protect the victims of crime.
9. Roll back the frontiers of the state and promote make work projects in civil society.
10. Encourage the blogosphere and work for Reithian standards in conventional media.
11. Discourage the breakdown of the family.
* Remembering always that the rolling English drunkard made the rolling English road.
Nicholas … “And the day he returned from a weekend at Chequers wearing blue jeans and carrying a guitar, whence I downgraded him from conniving charlatan to total wanker. ” Endorsed.
I would suggest that that entry cannot be surpassed.
But for position number two in the Blair Wankerama, I would humbly advance the day he came to the door of Downing St carrying a baby or something … perhaps it was a nappy; I had averted my eyes … anyway, the scenario was meant to convey that he had been interrupted in the middle of changing a nappy. The press fell for it. No one asked him why the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom was answering his own front door in a house full of servants and aides.
Two posts on the American Thinker blog provide some thoughts on how to proceed in our anti-PC agitation:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/03/time_for_new_look_at_2008_obama_passport_breach.html
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/03/andrew_breitbart_for_the_offense.html
Attack – attack! – is the essence of the messages. But read them both. Good stuff.
From Spiked: http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/12200/
“The EU is doing everything it can to ensure that the Irish referendum is stitched up before a vote is cast…Ireland’s referendum on the ‘Treaty for stability, coordination and governance in the economic and monetary union’ is expected to take place in May or June this year. This treaty or ‘fiskalpakt’ – which aims to enshrine Eurozone fiscal rules in national constitutions policed by the European courts – is signed by 25 of 27 EU countries and is a European Union treaty in all by name…As opposed to all other EU treaties, the fiskalpakt will enter into force when only 12 out the 17 Eurozone member state signatories have ratified it.”
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in the DT:
“Taking what he called a “sovereign decision”, [the Spanish Premier] simply announced that he intends to ignore the EU deficit target of 4.4pc of GDP for this year, setting his own target of 5.8pc instead (down from 8.5pc in 2011).
In the twenty years or so that I have been following EU affairs closely, I cannot remember such a bold and open act of defiance by any state. ”
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/100015432/spains-sovereign-thunderclap-and-the-end-of-merkels-europe/
Malfleur – hard to disagree with your programme to counter the 11-pronged Frankfurt attack (except, perhaps, point 7 – atheists are not all disciples of Gramsci).
But how do we do it? A Long March through the institutions is out of the question for me – I doubt I have enough years left.
Instead, perhaps, a groundswell of contrary feeling could be nurtured, where at present there is little more than a resigned shrug.
Verity
“Frank P … “hoi polloi” – good memory!”
Now, now! Steady on gal … the ‘Greek way’ can be very painful; according to Michael Gambon it made his eyes water so he gave it up.
However, it seems the Bubbles can’t give anything up; which is very sad, as we’re subsidising the idle shitz and will continue to do so into the foreseeable future.
Think I’ll pop through to to the kitchen, break a few plates and do the Zorba dance … ‘scuse me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWYHO1tLcqY&feature=player_embedded#!
Frank P: The case for the need to attack is well made in the American Thinker piece.
Too many people are diffident about arguing for what they believe, and are too ready to concede ground to an opposing point of view.
One reason David Starkey is “the rudest man in Britain (and I know he plays up to the image) is that he doesn’t shrink from pointing out the flaws in a fellow panelist’s argument (on Moral Maze, for instance) – and intellectual rigour is too easily condemned as rudeness.
And if I have just made a plea for more “rudeness”, then may I reap what I have sown!
“Tim73” posted this on that Telegraph article on the “Spanish bombshell”:-
“Little englanders should move to Falklands. They sure would need some extra manpower. No more those bastard continental Europeans messing up your tea drinking schedules and cricket games.”
It made me laugh. I wonder who and what sort of Anglophobe this tosser “Tim73” is? Wonderful situation when foreigners (or at least traitors) slag off the English in their own country. The cowards wouldn’t pull that stunt in some places, eh?
Oh, and here’s a “Little” message for “Tim73” – I don’t think so, pal. As an Englishman, whether “Little” or no, born in England, with several centuries worth of English ancestors buried in this hallowed soil I have every right to be here and every right to opine how this country should be run. How about you? Take a hike you moron.
Frank S
Well, we’re trying not to be as rude on this blog as we were at the ‘other place’, out of deference to our new host’s sensibilities – and because there is generally less need to be, I guess, but not so polite as to be bland, I hope. And Peter has already intimated that if it’s in a good cause, we can be as rude as we bloody well like: such as when we’re winding Telemuck up.
Good to see you over here, btw. Disappointed that Rhoda hasn’t graced us with her presence. She’s about the only one of the old crew that I greatly miss. Perhaps, if she lurks here, she could explain her rationale for failing to defect, particularly as we manifestly still have the right of return – and frequently do.
I suppose she’s doing sterling work puncturing the egos of Nelson’s fleet of wankers and doesn’t want to lose focus by panning out a bit. Whatever. Can’t win ’em all.
Frank P,
I was going to quote from that Robert Spencer – Andrew Breibart piece that you linked to… BUT the whole article is so powerful it is impossible to pick just one quote:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/03/andrew_breitbart_for_the_offense.html
Great Stuff!
Re: Passport-gate:
I think that the Bazza-nostra will have covered all the angles. Anybody getting too close to the truth might succumb to S.I.D.S. [You might remember that there was an outbreak during the Clinton years]
Frank P: Thanks for your kind welcome!
The kind of rudeness I had in mind was that which earned Dr Starkey his epithet, not throwing insults.
In other words, the mental rigour to dissect a false argument rather than politely leaving it to fade away in a soup of contradictions.
Tim 73 – in case someone lets him know he is being dissed on The Coffee House Wall … could you give us a reference for bastard continental Europeans messing up our cricket games, please? It sounds exciting. I heard someone ran onto a pitch once, but I think it was a drunk Ozzie.
Are you writing similar posts to other cricket-playing countries, like India and Sri Lanka (where they grow tea, that the British buy) and Pakistan? And Kenya, say, and the W Indies?
And Tim73, where do you find “Little Englanders” these days, when they all have summer homes on the Continent somewhere, or at least take the ferry to Calais for cheap booze, and there are hundreds of thousands of English retirees resident throughout the entire continent?
You seem to have rather limited experience of the world, Tim 73. Are you scheduled for release any time soon?
“Perhaps we can have some fun with a Blair-o-rama of his most remembered vomit-inducing stunts and performances?”
I do remember him arranging (possibly with A. Campbell) some “eye-catching initiatives with which I personally should be associated”.
Also Blair emerging from No. 10 to be interviewed by the press, carrying, not a baby, but a coffee mug, thereby implying that he is a regular, straight kinda guy, who drinks instant coffee, just like the rest of us.
And of course, the lip-trembling performance after Diana’s death; “she was the People’s Princess” etc.
However, as nausea-inducing as Blair could be, I still think he was infinitely preferable to his successor, the tombstone-voiced harbinger of doom, the deranged hypocrite who jeered at Mrs Duffy, the b*****d of b*****ds who chucked away our gold reserves, stole billions from pension funds and disappeared whenever a crisis arose. If Blair was a creep, Brown was an evil reptile. Thank God the b*****d has gone.
Verity – Your Zorba Dance declaration was hilarious. However I was quite unable to imagine any of the characters as you. So I tried this one – and found the task considerably easier – http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=b-9nkfhia5Q
Peter – thank you for this. May I suggest National Review Online and PJ Media for the blogroll ? NRO has good interviews on their Uncommon Knowledge section.
I know these are both US sites, but, hey, the fight is on throughout the Anglosphere.
“… choosing to use fruity language only where it is necessary.”
I remember when I was a lad, the greengrocer had a sign on the wall which read, “You can touch my melons but please don’t squeeze my plums.”
Herbert Thornton … What Zorba Dance?
Bill Whittle’s slot on PJTV is worth keeping tabs on; he’s a fast talking right winger who cuts to the chase.
http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=56
His latest on Andrew Breitbart’s passing is particularly good:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=95-C8uPez50
Perhaps Peter would like to add PJTV to the blogroll?
I’ts Monday once again, isn’t that exciting! Soon Paxo will be donning his droopy drawers, the marxists will be muttering into their chicken nuggets and the Muslims will be spitting at the screen every time a Hindu appears. When I was a wee lass there was a super wartime radio show “Monday Night at Eight O’Clock”. Not quite up to that level, but still a roaring good laugh, especially those drawers!
Permit me to reproduce a comment that appeared after a thread by James Forsyth on the Spec CH, entitled The Tory Right Asserts Itself: (Ha!)
Fabian Solutions
May 26th, 2010 6:47pm
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I am compiling a dossier of hatespeech, homophobic, Europhobic, xenophobic, BNP-supporting, Islamophobic, sexist, and racist posts and Tory trolls that disgrace these blogs.
I will forward the dossier to Fraser Nelson and request that all those on it be banned immediately from the Spectator blogs. Hopefully he will then introduce a more robust moderating system like we have at Comment is Free, where we don’t have a problem with right-wing trolls.
So far on my list of right-wing trolls:
Vulture
Cuffleyburgers
Tiberius
Victor Southern
ollie
Paddy
Jonny
Bickers
michael
I wonder who was the face behind Fabian Solutions? No not really.
Incidentally, next time anyone sees Vulture’s moniker.invite him across. Most of his posts were quit invigorating.
Frank P 5th, – 17:19
Bet there’s a telescope on the battlements at Schloss Klapp that’s pointing directly at this page.
Verity –
My mistake. It was in Frank P’s post, March 5th, 2012 – 16:53
Yes, where is Vulture? I saw him somewhere … possibly over at The Speccie … and suggested he come over, but it probably didn’t run.
That Fabian Solutions post reads like a bit of a spoof to me. Hard to tell for sure though because so many Leftists behave pretty much like that.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1
March 5th, 2912: 18.06
Sorry, I should have posted this on the “Empire” thread.
In response to Frank 18:19 today … are you sure my name wasn’t on the list? I feel rejected and am hurt that my right wingery was not strong enough to make it. I wonder what I have to do to get on the list.
Malfleur
March 5th, 2012 – 15:39
On the subject of political correctness did you see this on bloggers4UKIP
Lincolnshire County Council has been changing its pelican crossing signs to replace the term “Green Man” with “Green Figure”.
A senior engineer at Linconshire Road Safety Partnership has given the nonsense justification for changing the signs as telling people when to cross the road safely without explaining why changing the word “man” to “figure” will make crossing the road safer.
In fact, if a green man walking and a red man standing still are too complicated for the uneducated masses to understand that a sign is actually necessary as Lincolnshire Road Safety Partnership seems to think, surely this change could possibly make it less safe to cross the road. What’s easier for a child or barely literate person to read? “Man” or “figure”? How about someone who doesn’t speak English as a first language? I know the word for “man” in 5 or 6 foreign languages, I don’t know the word “figure” in any.
This is nothing to do with road safety, it’s a hand wringing liberal’s perception of what is and isn’t offensive regardless of whether the “wronged” section of society actually has a problem with it or not.
Why is bloggers4UKIP not on the blog roll?
Verity, neither was mine, but that’s surely proof positive of our independent stance. 🙂
Sod it, this is all getting a bit too serious; let’s ‘ave a larf, ennit. The laytest from my Naughty Niece:
GUIDO THE ITALIAN LOVER
A virile, middle-aged Italian gentleman named Guido was relaxing at his favorite bar in Rome when he managed to attract a spectacular young blond woman.
Things progressed to the point where he invited her back to his apartment and, after some small talk, they retired to his bedroom where he rattled her senseless.
After a pleasant interlude he asked with a smile, “So, you finish?” She paused for a second, frowned, and replied, “No.”
Surprised, Guido reached for her and the rattling resumed.
This time she thrashed about wildly and there were screams of passion..
The sex finally ends and, again, Guido smiles and asks, “You finish?” Again, after a short pause, she returns his smile, cuddles closer to him and softly says, “No.”
Stunned, but damned if he was going to leave this woman unsatisfied. Guido reaches for the woman yet again. Using the last of his strength, he barely manages it, but they end together screaming, bucking, clawing and ripping the bed sheets.
Exhausted, Guido falls onto his back, gasping..
Barely able to turn his head, he looks into her eyes, smiles proudly and asked again, “You finish?”
Barely able to speak, the beautiful blond whispers in his ear,
“No, I’m Norwegian.”
Verity (19:20): Surely, it’s because you’re the voice of moderation and conciliation!
Fabian Solutions (or a troll of the same name) used to be a bit of a pest on the Telegraph blogs. Haven’t seen her (apparently FS is a she) lately; I could never make it if she was a crazed leftie or a spoof.
To Guido the Italian Lover, a riposte…
One of the Norse Gods descends to earth in human guise, determined to experience sex with a woman.
He picks up a tasty nordic bird and they embark on a night of passion.
In the morning he decides to declare his true, Godly identity.
To the drowsy girl he says: “I’m Thor.”
To which she replies: “Tho am I but it’th nithe, ithn’t it!”
Leviathan – It is not “a hand wringing liberal’s perception of what is and isn’t offensive regardless of whether the “wronged” section of society actually has a problem with it or not”. They don’t give a squat about perceptions of any segment of society. It’s a power grab. Destabilising change for the sake of change. A not-so-subtle suggestion that the pragmatic engineers who thought up the green man and the walking man were insensitive morons not blessed with the exquisite sensibilities of the mahatamas who work at the council. Plus, it throws the indigenes off, whichi is always a pleasure.
Why couldn’t this blog rival the Spectator? Sort of Punk 2. There are a lot of older folk around that younger folk like to listen to, and the fact that the Long Marchers to a large a degree have pulled the ladder up behind them is coming to irk youngsters with half a brain
If the Gramscian/Frankfurt method is to confuse and then to forge the image of a new, leftist consensus out of that confusion – then surely ownership of the new fake ‘centre ground’ makes the left vulnerable to the same sort of subversion that they have been visiting on the innocent of this country for the past few decades
Sorry, sounded a bit like a Marxist Academic there. Lets make it really simple. The pen is mightier than the sword and there is some good stuff starting to emerge from this blog
Frank Sutton @ 16.51
Yes, there’s only about one insitution left for me to do march through and I doubt that I will get too faron my own two feet in that one; but as usual in political matters I felt the need for a focus and a programme. My answer then is that we have to nbe mentors to the young – and they will then have to do the marching…
David M. (EC) @ 17.37
The sign at my greengrocer’s was next to the peaches and read: ‘Please don’t squeeze me till I’m yours’.
leviathan @ 19.47
Go figure!
What is the address of bloggers4UKIP?
Frank P and Frank Sutton
In my email this morning (really):
Johnny wanted to have sex with a girl in his office but she belonged to someone else…
One day, Johnny got so frustrated that he went up to
Her and said, ‘I’ll give you £100 if you let me
Have sex with you. But the girl said NO.
Johnny said, ‘I’ll be fast. I’ll throw the money on
The floor, you bend down, and I’ll be finished by the
Time you pick it up. ‘
She thought for a moment and said that she would have
To consult her boyfriend… So she called her
Boyfriend and told him the story.
Her boyfriend says, ‘Ask him for £200, pick up the
Money very fast, he won’t even be able to get his
Pants down.’
So she agrees and accepts the proposal. Half an hour
Goes by, and the boyfriend is waiting for his
Girlfriend to call.
Finally, after 45 minutes, the boyfriend calls and
Asks what happened.
She responded, ‘The bastard used coins!’
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 @ 18.06 and 19.19
I hope that as Paxo is donning his drawers, Nicholas will be picking up his pen.
http://bloggers4ukip.blogspot.com/
Frank P at 15:51
Thank you, have not read that magazine before, does appear to me that there are rather more, good conservative publications in the US than the UK. This difference is exacerbated by the Spectator’s lurch to the left.
I especially liked the following excerpt: “Instead of bowing and scraping to the Islamic supremacists and feebly protesting that we’re not really racists and hatemongers and all the other calumnies and canards they throw at us, we should be taking the fight to them, and standing up and saying, “You are fronting for the most oppressive ideology on the face of the earth. You are fronting for evil. You are carrying water and running interference for the denial of free speech, the denial of the freedom of conscience, the institutionalized oppression of women, the subjugation of non-Muslims, and worse. You’re fronting for stonings, amputations, the murder of apostates, the treatment of women as possessions of men, the madness and senseless violence that we see in this furor over the Quran-burnings, and more. You shout us down on campuses and do everything you can to make sure we are not heard in the public square. And you call us fascists? You are the quintessence of fascism.”
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/03/andrew_breitbart_for_the_offense.html#ixzz1oHktA38d
Nicholasesque?
Frank P @ 17.54
Thanks for the links to Bill Whittle. What particularly came out of them was that the media is where the enemy is strongly encamped. It explains for instance the closing down of the Old Wall and justifies our continuing to snipe at the Spectator from this new position.
Do I need counselling?
I am finding it increasingly difficult to watch movies or box-set series; their blatant liberal-left stance just irritates the life out of me. The not-so-subtle subliminal messages are all so anti-Anglosphere and self-loathing that it should be obvious to all viewers that they’re being manipulated by propaganda. However when you mention it, you’re regarded as a conspiracy-theorist.
This subject has been brought into sharp focus by one of my family starting to watch my own personal “favourite”: the Westwing. That preening, do-gooder President Bartlet is the “JFK we never had”. Guff
Redneck 5th, – 23:05
I couldn’t even begin to approach that level of eloquence.
We-ell, never mind Paxo on Empire; did anyone notice Miliband, D. on his later show?
Reckon this is the start of his pitch to defenestrate little bruv around, o-oh, 2014?
Redneck (23:29)
“That preening, do-gooder President Bartlet is the “JFK we never had”. Guff”
Actually, JFK was the JFK we never had; he emerged post-mortem and been reinvented periodically ever sense. Both he and his brother had a lot to do with our current predicament.
Malfleur (23:11)
You goddit!
Frank P
I agree the Kennedys were idolised by the Left: unequivocal evidence of their lack of worth for me.
RocketDog @ 2142 I think there is certainly an argument for those on the right to say my enemy’s enemy is my friend and to view the discontented youth as an opportunity. The confusion lies in the deceit of the establishment. Youth is traditionally anti-establishment but our establishment, which might be described as a predominantly left of centre wealthy elite with the motto “Do as we say not as we do”, has managed to pull a wonderful diversionary ploy to keep the ire of youth centred on a mythology, a long gone idea of an establishment of reactionary duffers, whilst it masquerades instead as some sort of “progressive”, popular insurgency “struggling” against those duffers. They boast “We are fighting the dragon of inequality, poverty, oppression and unfairness!” in that place, whereas in reality they have become the dragon themselves.
If we were therefore to view Parliament differently, to see, instead of opposing parties locked in ideological combat on our behalf, a turgid “establishment” of a back-scratching, self-perpetuating, dynastic, nepotistic, tax bleeding, law and regulation vomiting, arrogant, rich, occupying socialist elite going through the pretence and motions of democracy as a kind of lucrative game and supported by a vast, bloated, wasteful and inefficient bureaucracy requiring more and more tax from us for the privilege of being controlled by it we might find ourselves in common cause with many young people who have been alienated by it but who have been unfortunately subverted by the Left, which is part of it whilst pretending it is not.
Indeed, as Farage rails against the EU as a similarly parasitical institution of faceless, unaccountable but powerful dweebs we might legitimately rail against our “Parliament” in similar terms – as a kind of local branch of the EU running Britain. Any political insurgency against this monster would therefore not be constrained by the “idea” of party politics but more akin to the folk engaged in lawful rebellion. The “conservatism” comes from a tenacious desire to preserve the hard won freedoms and constitutional safeguards of the past, as precious and vital to the common man as to the traditional “Tory”. All the parties have pissed on our constitutional history and heritage with the deceit of “progress” and “reform”. Most of that “progress” and “reform” has entrenched their power (and the power of the EU) whilst disempowering ordinary people.
I realise that there are back benchers and MP’s who are probably just as frustrated by this but they are in the belly of the beast. Like Farage in the EU, but not as bold or as outspoken as Farage and trammelled by the Party system, the whips, the greasy pole climbing, the polite, tax-funded cosiness of it all. British politicians are certainly out of touch. They do underestimate the resentment and discontent. And the party politics game provides plenty of smokescreens and the self-delusion to continue to be detached and cloistered inside that bubble.
Malfleur (23:11)
(contd) “The medium is the message” (Mc Luan).
http://individual.utoronto.ca/markfederman/article_mediumisthemessage.htm
Both the media and the message must be undermined and replaced by a new medium and a new message (Frank P).
Nicholas (00:02)
Another gem of an aphorism that encapsulates the state of parliamentary ‘democracy’ in Britain today. Excellent.
Eat your heart out Fraser Nelson; instead of closing down the platform where Nicholas was so elegantly strutting his stuff until last week, gratis, you should have recruited him as a paid staffer to write what someone such as myself, who has supported for 60 years the magazine you undeservedly inherited, wants to read.
Far be it from me to make odious comparisons, but I noted your appearance on one of the News channels tonight and apart from finding your enunciation very difficult to hear for most of it, I simply can’t remember what I did manage hear, because it was so unremarkable. The output from your quill is equally bland.
The Shavian trolls did us a favour; we now have software that flows and content that is traditional and conservative. Who needs the dead tree press? And who needs websites that obstruct, rather than facilitate the fluent and seamless exchange of conservative ideas?
If Peter from Maidstone could set this superior platform up in a couple of days, then how come the combined contents of the deep pockets of the Berkeley Bros and the increasingly thick wallet of Brillo couldn’t sort of the Old Coffee House software until April? I know the Scotia Nostra is renowned for its stinginess, but even the Jocks should recognise an exploitable talent when they see it. Unless of course, there is an opposing ideological agenda in their wilful blindness.
Three minutes and 33 seconds of perspective. Now I’m off to bed with that swirling in my mind rather than the pettifogging irritations of the hacks in the Westminster Burble, Nighty-night.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9D05ej8u-gU
h/t Gerard Vanderleun.
Whoa. I just tripped over to the Speccy site for a last look round before turning and saw “The Conservative Case for equal Marriage” . I tried to post the following but it would not leave the box, so here goes while the iron is still hot!
“I have wondered for some time, Ms Murray, whether the only reason you built a reputation as a right-leaning writer was to infiltrate the rightist citadels and proselytise to expedite this ploy in the Gramscian programme to undermine the institutions, including the institution of marriage.
Buggery is buggery, marriage is marriage. Ne’er the twain should meet (not even heterosexual buggery). If you don’t know your arse from a plate of ham then crawl back into the closet and do unspeakable things with the like-minded IN PRIVATE and may you get well forked (remember the first amendment to the Sexual Offences Act “in private, no more than two involved and over 21 years of age”). The thin end of the wedge has now become the thick end of a bulldozer at full revs through decency and common sense. The demands of your ilk have now reached the ultimate – certificated depravity sanctioned by Church and State, regardless of the wishes of the vast majority (some of whom have been cowed into silence in fear of being labelled ‘bigot’). Better even ‘bigot’, than bugger! Get your soiled hands and dick out off the Holy State of Matrimony. Your erstwhile political writing has been utterly devalued by this piece.”
And that, Andy Car Park, is the answer to your perennial question.
Redneck 23:29 , an otherwise brilliant post, but “… The not-so-subtle subliminal messages are all so anti-Anglosphere and self-loathing…”.
No, this term, “self-loathing”, used as an indisputable and universal truth, is rubbish. The opposite is true. Believe me, Bertrand Russell, the Kennedy clique, Katherine Hepburn, Cherie Blair, Jo Brand are not “self-loathing”. They are self-elevating.
Re your post of 23:53 … Endorse with enthusiasm.
They believe they are the truth carriers, endowing mankind with their precious sensibilities and insights.
Frank P
Nicholas is still “elegantly strutting his stuff” at the Spectator, not just in his veil-rending post at 00.02 above. Here he is yesterday speaking candidly to Alan Massie on some poor sod’s letter from Cheshire bemoaning the state of Britain:
” As long as people like you use predictable but scornful stereotyping like “Daily Mail letter” to dismiss the genuine discontent in this country it will continue to “progress” in all categories of being a shithole. If any of you journalists had any balls or integrity instead of continuing to run the political equivalent of “Hello” magazine and indulging in idle gossip about who’s up and who’s down amongst the super rich politico-celeb-media elite we might not be here.”
Nicholas 00:02 … Stunning.
I am speechless with admiration at your summing up of politics in the cosy cliques of Britain and the Anglosphere and the EU … much of them seeping into the political fabric of the others, of course.
Nicholas has taken up the cause of Chris Tappin by pointing out in the Spectator’s Coffee House that none of the magazine’s staff or guest writers has dedicated a blog to the question. Nicholas had to make his intervention among the comments on Douglas Murray’s please for recognition of gay “marriage”.
Meanwhile, the BBC reports that Mr. Tappin, now extradited to the corrupt republic on charges of conspiring to sell batteries for use in Iranian missiles, appeared in court shackled and in the mandatory orange jumpsuit and was denied bail.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17266000
on which his wife commented “He’s a man of his word and is certainly not at risk of fleeing – where would he go? He doesn’t have his passport or access to money.”
UKIP is organising a petition: http://www.ukip.org/content/latest-news/2622-ukip-epetition-supports-chris-tappin
Nigel Farage, our prime minister in exile, says on that page “The shipping transaction to Iran, which was undertaken on behalf of a US government front company, made Mr. Tappin $500 – a normal shipping fee. It is impossible for me to believe that a wealthy man, on the verge of retirement, would have risked everything for such a paltry sum. I have always known him to be a man of the highest integrity.
“No British court has ever been allowed to examine the evidence against Mr Tappin and I believe this Treaty, signed in the wake of the September 11 attacks, needs to be amended and the British government needs to stand up for its own people.”
By the way, I noticed while watching PMQ that Mr. Cameron refers to “my government” and the Speaker did not call him on that. I was not aware that the government is his. Has something changed in our constitution recently or has this been accepted usage for some years now?
“Mr. Cameron’s” government has predictably washed its hands of Mr. Tappin’s fate as being a matter now entirely for the U.S. courts, which no doubt explains the silence of the Spectator (“Mr. Cameron’s magazine”?) .
For unreformed reprobates on the new Wall, however, the matter remains of interest and the UKIP petition is designed to take advantage of an upcoming meeting between Obama and Cameron on 13th March which presents an opportunity to review the extradition treaty; notoriously a one way shuttle.
The petition reads:
“In the light of the Chris Tappin case, demands that David Cameron debates the US-UK extradition treaty with President Obama, with a view to amending it.”
The wording is not as happily worded as it might have been, but it’s a start.
I agree with the Cardinal (but not for religious reasons) and with Frank P (for common sense linguistic reasons). As Frank puts it – ‘Buggery is buggery, marriage is marriage’.
The very idea that there can be such a thing as gay marriage is part of the Gramscian scheme to change peoples’ attitudes and thinking by debasing the meaning of common words.
There are doubtless people who perform sexual acts with sheep (not to mention camels and dogs). If there is to be such a thing as ‘Gay’ marriage, then why not other kinds of ‘marriage’ too? Using that kind of thinking, why should people be deprived of the right to ‘marry’ the sheep, camel or dog of their choice?
The Parliamentary debate, as reported in The Telegraph, on horsegate was obviously a rich field for “Ayes” and “Neighs” with perhaps the best coming from Labour’s Tom Blenkinsop’s heckle, “Why the long face?”
Jockeying for position was apparently also mentioned, along with the inevitable “Tally-ho!”
Needless to say, Cameron tried to join in with a “witty” sally of his own, but it looks from a quick scan of the article that he never got out of the stalls.
Frank P and Herbert
I am sorry to inform you that you must be mistaken, The Times yesterday had, as its first Editorial Opinion, a strong endorsement of gay marriage. Emphasising how it would, “enhance Society…improve the sum of human happiness” or some other twaddle.
Herbert Thornton
March 6th, 2012 – 04:23
“or dog of their choice?”
I would favour a Dolly Parton Standard Poodle.
Of course, there could be another reason Bliar is sliming around the house.
He is coming under ever-closer scrutiny and it cannot surely be long before his lies, which contributed to the invasion of Iraq, receive the attention they deserve.
In addition, the Leveson Inquiry will keep turning over stones and he must be worried who or what will scuttle blinking into the sunlight and let slip the truth about Kelly.
You need every friend you can find when Plod comes knocking – ask Huyne.
Nicholas @00:02am
“Indeed, as Farage rails against the EU as a similarly parasitical institution of faceless, unaccountable but powerful dweebs we might legitimately rail against our “Parliament” in similar terms – as a kind of local branch of the EU running Britain.”
With branch manager Dave jumping to attention every time the phone rings from Head Office.
I have to agree with the Cardinal and with Frank P – ‘Buggery is buggery, marriage is marriage’.
I have nothing against Gays (for heavens sake, anything that drives the camel-jockeys apoplectic is to be encouraged), but marriage has a clear and unequivocal definition – and no matter how they twist and turn, your average Gay can’t procreate without either help or compromise with straights.
They stole the word ‘gay’ to define their lifestyle, can’t they find a word to define a legalised same-sex union? Suggestions (with a reason why) might make a fun thread for the week. I’ll start with ‘Inshalah’ (meaning ‘if God wills it’) to really piss off the Sand-Nigg**s!
Frank P 02:11. I did my best to riddle Murray’s article with bullets before noticing that you had got him straight between with the eyes with the first shot. At any rate, my effort at refutation is below. It took me until point 11 to get to ‘B is B etc’.
‘This article is a fraud. At the end of his second paragraph, Murray promises to deliver the conservative arguments for gay marriage – as opposed to civil partnership. By the end of his eleventh paragraph, he has not delivered a single one. Taking the paragraphs in order:
3. Non-argument
4. Anecdote
5. Non-argument
6. Circularity 1: ‘If married then conservative.’ Circularity 2: ‘One lifelong relationship indistinguishable from any other.’
7. Does not explain why civil partnerships do not already increase the average longevity of same sex relationships (if indeed they do).
8. Leviticus = straw man
9. Specious symmetry. Why should liberty of conscience have a price tag?
10. Anecdote. Elaboration of anecdote. Muslims. Undirected blather.
11. Religious straw man (another one). What is the harm in calling different social relationships by different names? Also see circularity in (6).
Also there are no arguments here that would not equally justify human-animal miscegenation. Fail.’
Re the Cheshire shooting and relevance to my ‘Erosion’ article as it pertains to the use of force by the police.
A visual search revealed no weapons in the vehicle although the presence of CS gas has delayed a forensic examination for weapons. The vehicle tyres were shot out with a shotgun, a CS gas canister was thrown into the car and the driver was shot dead through the windscreen with a Heckler and Koch MP5 carbine, usually categorised as a machine pistol or submachine gun.
I do realise that the police officers involved were probably operating in the belief that the occupants were armed and posed a danger but even so I am reminded of the famous “yellow card” that set out the rules of engagement for British soldiers engaged in internal security operations in Northern Ireland. Rather too long to quote the pertinent bits in full but it can be read here:-
http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Museum/NI/Cards_Ni.html
Something is very wrong with the way the police in this country are being trained and supervised in the use of firearms and other deadly weapons.
Nicholas – do you dispute they were scum?
So, if they didn’t have a gun when apprehended, they never had one? Cobblers.
yellow cards don’t apply to Police Officers so I’m quite glad that, on this ocassion, a huge waste of money has been avoided by wiping out a few scotes.
Clear Memories – I’m afraid you are missing the point. Whether they were scum or not has nothing to do with it. The British police were dealing with scum – and often armed scum – over a hundred years ago.
What if the car and occupants had been misidentified? I’m not suggesting they were in this case but what if they were? The fact that the yellow card – or similar – does not apply to police is precisely the point that concerns me. You are putting much faith in them always being right and their targets always being “scotes” (sic).
The outcome doesn’t always justify the process by which it is reached.
Frank P.
Bloody brilliant old son. Funny irreverant and bang on the mark, says exactly what you mean and none of that nonsense of turning the other cheek.
Police 5: £4.8M on Full-time union reps FFS?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2110784/Police-squander-4-8m-time-union-reps-despite-cutting-number-officers.html
One of the linguistic oddities of gay marriage is whether the terms ‘husband’ and ‘wife’ become redundant or are, with rather grisly implications, perpetuated.
‘Partners’ would be the preferred term, but the partners may wish to indicate to third parties which performs the more mundane gender-specific roles – who exactly does the washing, dusting, snack-preparation and complaining, and who does the minor repairs and assassinates marauding spiders and rodents with heroic stoicism – without implying their respective sexual acrobatics on the marital trampoline.
Has anyone thought through these contingent problems? No, I didn’t think so.
“I now pronounce you partner and partner” doesn’t quite have the same cachet does it? Presumably if this goes ahead and we can look forward to Austin Barry’s prognosis the “wives” will eventually demand equality. What will that be called? “Feminism” is already taken.
If the Bible had not already been eradicated from the education system we could look forward to a politically correct Garden of Eden with four couples. Adam and Eve. Adam and Adam. Eve and Eve and the transgendered Adam and Eve, where Adam is Eve and Eve is Adam. The Serpent would need more apples.
There was an actress in Corrie, Amanda Barrie, I think she was called, who was for a long time one party in a menage a trois: one bloke, two babes. If GM got the nod, and since second, third and fourth wives of Muslims are entitled to benefits, one would have thought the clamour for troilistic rights would be irresistible. Maybe the authorities would then have to stipluate an upper limit of twenty like there used to be for chartered accountants.
Nicholas (10:11) & (10:29)
I’m prepared to wait for further and better particulars in the Cheshire shooting case before opining on it , but as a general observation about the new culture and frequency of armed police intervention and strict rules involved I agree entirely with the issues you raise. There have been far too many cock-ups in recent years starting with this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Waldorf_shooting
I could list several others since then. Mistakes do irreparable damage to police public relations; gung ho coppering is anathema to my generation; we managed quite well without the para military element that has crept into policing; there is no real indication that the streets are more orderly or safer as a result. The contrary is true, it seems, therefore one has to consider the chicken and egg principle.
Creating conditions on the ground that prevent areas from becoming ‘no go’ areas and fiefdoms of armed gangsters – making sure petty villains aren’t allowed to become big villains – would greatly diminish the need for armed response teams and the inherent problems involved. That requires leadership, local knowledge, absence of political interference and top class recruitment of people with a strong sense of duty applying the tenets of Peel and Mayne and the Courts dealing imposing penalties that prevent serial offending. And farming out policing to the private sector won’t achieve that. There are far too many micky mouse police in various guises already, including cardboard cut-outs and a few live ones without about as much sentience.
And another thing, while I qualify my remarks with the ‘lets have further and better particulars clause’ in the Cheshire affair, we do seem to be waiting a very long time for the result of the inquiry into the Tottenham shooting, don’t we? The one that the ‘scrotes’ used an excuse to torch swathes of London and instigate a festival of felony, exposing the piss-poor quality of today’s police ‘management strata’.
We stopped watching Corrie when they decided to introduce the story of two teenage boys engaging in sexual activity. They had already created the story of a woman actress pretending to be a man who had surgery to pretend he was a woman and then being allowed to ‘marry’ another man. All very confusing and as detached from reality as the idea of marriage between two men. The idea that anyone can have surgery, or even not bother having surgery, and redefine their gender is another thing that this ‘conservative’ Government is more than happy to go along with. What happens when someone decides they want species-realignment? Can a man decide he is really a dog?
I’m tempted to further re-enter the GM fray, but on second thoughts, between them, Nicholas, ACP and Austin Barry have satirised Murray’s assertions into meaningless claptrap. All we need is a Nicholas cartoon to top it off.
In today’s Evening Standard there’s an interesting and sensible view on gay marriage from an unlikely source: George, of the living gay installation, Gilbert & George:
‘Nevertheless, four years ago they had a civil partnership ceremony at Bow register office in order to protect their assets. “We don’t want a pretend straight marriage,’ says George, “but if one of us fell under a bus it would be a disaster.”
Howzabout a legally endorsed ‘Ceremony Poll’ for Brian Sewell to announce himself as a free spirit for all eternity? It could incorporate a joyous little jump at the end.
I am in awe of the erudition and passion exhibited here and have, like many I suppose, finally abandoned the Spectator Coffee House in favour of PfromM’s excellent wall. Thank you Peter. In years past (the 1980s) I consumed the ‘Speccie’ during my commuting days; a change of location required me to drive to work so my reading habits changed. I do share the feeling that The Spectator has been dumbed down and steered to the left and that it no longer reflects or feeds my views on life in the UK and the politics thereof.
Now, on the matter of gay ‘marriage’. Yes, buggery is buggery but that surely applies only to those appropriately equipped? There are two young women of my slight acquaintance who a year or two ago went through a formal marriage/civil ceremony and now live together with a female child that one of them bore. I wondered which of the two took on the motherly role and gently enquired as to who had been inseminated, by whom and by what means.
The evasive and slightly aggressive response was that the route to the girl’s birth was unimportant; the most important issue being that the children with whom the child had contact with were taught to accept that it was quite normal for her to have, unlike them, two Mummys and no Daddy. Words fail me.
I have nothing but pity for that poor child and am aghast at the perversion of normality that has enabled the disadvantageous situation in which she is being brought up.
Horrible Blair Moments: shortly before the 1997 election he popped up on TV in a pub, clad in jeans, waving a pint of beer about and speaking in an assumed Regular Guy accent with glottal stops spattered about in all the wrong places, and said that when he was in power he would make sure no-one ever got served a short pint. And that’s when I realised what an utter utter little shit he was.
Peter from Maidstone
“Can a man really decide to be a dog?”
Only if he’s barking.
Clear Memories – I am with everyone here — 100% against gay marriage. They won their civil unions, which is fair and right. They can decide on continuing, or not, hospital treatment in the case of a partner who is in a coma or is similarly unable to make decisions, which was an important issue with them. And various other rights.
I have many gay friends. My closest friend of 30 years is gay.
You write: “… can’t they find a word to define a legalised same-sex union?”
They did: Civil union.
“They stole the word ‘gay’ to define their lifestyle…”.
No, they didn’t. As I have explained before, all this openly gay activity started in San Francisco about 30 or 35 years ago. This was the first time gays had come out of the closet in public. There were gay lawyers, gay fire fighters, gay doctors, gay professors, etc. And for the Gay Pride parade, they wore T-shirts which read “Good As You”. Meaning, they weren’t inferior seconds because they had been born gay.
After several years of laconic acceptance, on the part the straights, they shortened Good As You to GAY. This was a ploy to give people pause … “what the??? …” and then think, “Oh, yeah. Good as you.” So it worked.
There was never any intention to steal a beautiful, irreplaceable old word from the language. It would be nice to think that one day we could revivify its beguiling original meaning. But there was no malice. They were just trying to get the message across that because they were born homosexual didn’t mean that they were born dim.
Frank P 14:08 … ha ha ha ha ha! First laugh of the day! Thanks!
Wikipedia, using OED, dates the first use of ‘gay’ to mean ‘homosexual’ to the 1920s so it can’t derive from San Francisco in the 1980s-90s. Much more likely that they used the phrase ‘Good as you’ because it did fit the already current use of the word gay.
Wiki…
There is little doubt that the homosexual sense is a development of the word’s traditional meaning, as described above. It has nevertheless been claimed that gay stands for “Good As You”, but there is no evidence for this: it is a folk etymology backronym.
Austin Barry … I don’t think you should concern yourself wth their domestic arrangements any more than gays take an interest in yours. People are attracted to each other, in a permanent relationship sense, because the complement each other and they can depend on one another.
I would never support “gay marriage”, but civil unions have been beneficial to society because they are stabilising. I remember the gay bar scene of the late ’70s, and believe me, this is better.
I also think the focus in British schools on homosexuality is inspired by a malicious desire on the part of the toxic Left to destabilise society.
Only decades ago, homosexuality was illegal and regarded as immoral. Now it is acceptable and paedophilia is illegal and regarded wtih similar horror. I wonder how long it will be before it reaches acceptance and an interest group gets to demand marriage with children, of either sex?
P from M … I don’t know. But I do know that I was living in Texas at the time, and the Gay Pride parades spread from California to the large cosmopolitan areas, and they wore T-shirs that read Good As You. I saw it on TV. I wouldn’t dream of going to one of their parades.
I think that was because the phrase fitted the word gay. It is well attested as meaning homosexual long before the 80s and in Europe.
It would be interesting to know the status of immigrants who are married to children as far as UK law is concerned. And also those married to more than one person against UK law.
Wily Trout … I really do not want to step into the shoes of spokesperson for gays. Last word from me: Paedophilia is a mental illness and it has victims … children.
According to a “Brain Sex”, published around 30 years ago, homosexuality has its inception before birth and is inadvertent. I am recording what I recall reading here … there is some point in a pregnancy at which the gender sides of the brains of embryos begin to take definition. This is a critical period … can’t remember how long it lasts. Maybe a couple of weeks or a month or something.
Anyway, if the mother is going through a particularly stressful emotional time during that period, her body floods with female hormones, which, obviously enter the foetus’s blood stream. This, according to this theory, overwhelms and inhibits the development of the male side of the brain of male foetuses.
I’m not a doctor. It’s what I read.
“backronym”. P from M, did you make this up? It’s very good!
Peter From Maidstone
December 2nd, 2011 10:16am [Old Wall]
‘At the Conference I attended last week at the Law Society it was stated by several speakers that Islam was essentially incompatible with democracy.’
PfM, I found this while browsing for something else. Coincidentally, this cropped up in a DT obituary on Saturday – John Marks, who co-wrote a book on just this question with Caroline (Baroness) Cox.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/culture-obituaries/books-obituaries/9119644/John-Marks.html
http://www.amazon.co.uk/West-Islam-Islamism-Ideological-Compatible/dp/1903386543/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331046304&sr=1-1
P from M … “It would be interesting to know the status of immigrants who are married to children as far as UK law is concerned. And also those married to more than one person against UK law.”
Those men “married” to more than one “wife” are accorded benefits for the extra “wives”. But Gordon Brown was no vote-grabbing sleazeball. He had standards. They get the benefits for the extra “wives” … “provided the marriage” (sic) “took place outside the UK”.
So that’s OK then.
Re paedophiles, I meant to add above that although there MAY be a medical explanation for homosexuality, paedophilia is a straightforward perversion. Children have to be protected, and paedophiles should be castrated.
Why is homosexuality not a perversion, while paedophilia is? Indeed there is much heterosexual behaviour which is perverse.
Once all restraint is removed then everything becomes both possible and indeed obligatory. Outside of ‘traditional morality’ which I naturally support, is there any reason why sexual activity with an 18 year old should be proscribed? If not, then why not with a 16 year old? If not then why not a 14 year old? Where does it stop if there is no morality to set any boundaries? Is this not why so many young teenagers are being forced into sexual activity? How many 18 year olds who have sex with 15 year olds are prosecuted? If not, then why if it is a 21 year old with a 15 year old? or a 28 year old with a 15 year old?
Where do any boundaries lie if all the boundaries are dug up?
It isn’t possible for a society to have both outrage and no morality. Indeed it seems that we are very, very close to the sexuality of Brave New World. The outrage is a false and manufactured one. The morality is one which demands particpation in every perversion as if it were a good.
In the interests of resistance to censorship, I would like to repeated a comment which was deleted from Melanie Mc Doughnut’s response post to Murray’s piece on ‘Gay Marriage’.
“Your last sentence would have sufficed, Melanie. Buggery is not only immoral but unhygienic and should have no place within in the institution marriage, civil or religious.”
(or words to that effect – I didn’t keep a copy).
Trite, facetious and unimportant, I know, but that’s not why it was erased.
It is thought that 10-12 million children are married each year…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2001029/Child-brides-young-5-married-secret-middle-aged-men.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcthree/2011/09/child-brides.shtml
It is difficult not to imagine that there are such child brides (what an unhappy phrase) brought into this country.
The Big Brother state is alive and advancing at speed in the US, as well. http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/28474.html
The clamour for “gay marriage” seems to be motivated by a dog-in-the-manger attitude – marriage in its traditional form is clearly of no use to homosexual couples, therefore no-one should have it.
And of course it gives its supporters another to chance to shout “bigot” at anyone who questions it.
I like that term – the “Creepy State”, Verity. Dave C is well on the way to making Britain into a “Creepy State” because “it’s the right thing to do” and he wants “to send a message”.
Frank Sutton … Not one American gay I know refers to it as “gay marraige” or even “marriage”. They refer to having a “civil union”. They are not trying to steal marriage or co-opt marriage. They might want you to know they have a legally binding union, but I have never heard one refer to it as “marriage”.
P from M: “Hundreds of kids from ethnic minorities are disappearing from British schools, and authorities are worried that they’re being forced into marriages in other countries.”
Meaning, their parents can get money from the parents of the children they are “married”, as when they hit legal age, and the former child bride can bring them into Britain and straight onto benefits. Everything these people do is for money.
The figure is an estimate, but “it still indicates the scale of the problem of forced marriages, which are unacceptable, and condemned by all religions,” says the expert …
“The expert” should read the q´ran. Mohammad married Aisha when she was six. He had also married several other little girls. It is not against the law in islamic countries because nothing Mo did could have been wrong.
“MPs in one of the probes are working with the Foreign Office in Pakistan to determine whether some of the missing students ended up there.”
Oh, gosh! Ya think?
I have said it before many times. Islam should be outlawed as a dangerous sect. The mosques should be demolished. Anyone professing the religion should be regarded as mentally unfit and either not admitted or, if already in the country, returned to Pakistan.
I am finding that more and more I don’t see our present situation as a political one at all, as if just changing the personnel or some of the policies would make a great difference. Rather I am seeing it as a moral conflict in which Common Purpose and their fellow travellers are actually engaged in a moral evil, and are seeking the destruction of the Christian English heritage and society, as far as any of it remains.
When we list these things…
1. the creation of racism offences
2.continual change to create confusion
3.the teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
4.the undermining of schools and teachers’ authority
5.huge immigration to destroy national identity
6.the promotion of excessive drinking
7.emptying the churches
8.an unreliable legal system with bias against the victim of crime
9.dependency on the state or state benefits
10.control and dumbing down of media
11.encouraging the breakdown of the family
this really is evil. It is not just a different political agenda to discuss over a pint. It is pure evil. I had always thought that when persecution against the Church began in England it would be at the hands of grey suited men, who were only acting for the ‘common good’. And so it is.
What will we do about this evil? On the one hand I believe that God will work things out according to his will. But on the other hand I believe that this is no excuse for passing on to my children and grandchildren a state of slavery to such evil.
I emailed Nigel Farage but he has not replied. Does he not realise that he needs to gather as many friends for freedom as will identify themselves? This isn’t politics it is cultural genocide which is being perpetrated against us. How do we achieve these things..
1. Abolition of laws purporting to curb racism, etc; radical pruning or uprooting of EU laws.
2. Promote conservation of the best.
3.Removal of schools’ responsibility for teaching sexual matters.
4. Buttressing of authority to schools and teachers
5. Reversal of immigration flows and imposition of a quality first criterion.
6. Opposition to excessive drinking.*
7. Support church going.
8. Simplify laws, restore reliability of police and legal system, protect the victims of crime.
9. Roll back the frontiers of the state and promote make work projects in civil society.
10. Encourage the blogosphere and work for Reithian standards in conventional media.
11. Discourage the breakdown of the family.
Is anyone in contact with Farage? I also left a message for Boudicca on the DT, but heard nothing.
The enemy would be content with our impotent rage, but how do we make it potent? How do we threaten the selection of real backbenchers? How do we encourage backbenchers to take action, to tell it as it is?
This is no less evil a time than the rise of Hitler, or the Bolsheviks. All that is good is being opposed. All that is evil is being promoted.
I know that is your opinion, but what shall be done.
What is required of us at this time is to take action, to do A so that B results, and the C.
Is there one man (or woman) in the Conservative Party who will act for the good? If not then they are all a waste of time and space and all culpabable.
Why is Nigel Farage not posting here and anywhere else that he might find support?
It is not about politics anymore, it is a moral crisis in our society, or a societal crisis with moral value and substance. If we do not act then our children and grandchildren may be doomed to a life of oppression as dark as that in the Soviet Union.
Nigel Farage on the extradition of Chris Tappin to the corrupt republic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDnpqEuiieo
By the way, 15 hours ago I posted Nicholas’s comment at 00.02 yesterday on Bloggers4UKIP at http://bloggers4ukip.blogspot.com/ with a short introduction and link to our site and I see it has gone up; so may be some people will come across and see Peter from Maidstone’s post at 16.51
P from M – Two excellent posts.
How long ago did you contact Nigel? Don’t forget, he is not sitting around, tapping his fingers on his desk wondering who to call for lunch. It may take a while to get a response. Why not call UKIP HQ and ask for a contact? Any contact you can establish to start with gives you an in. (BTW, I am only guessing, from the evidence of her posts, that Boudicca is something to do with UKIP. I don’t know for a fact.)
Why not call and ask for the press officer and ask to be put on the press release list for the blog? That is a legitimate request.
Verity, 16.35: Perhaps I have misunderstood you reply, but I can’t quite see what point you’re making. The term “gay marriage” has been bandied about endlessly (and you yourself have used it). Its promoters here in Britain certainly want to steal marriage away, since their aim is to do way with the need for marriage to be between a man and a woman.
Any man and woman who wished to have a traditional marriage would no longer be able to do so.
The American attitude seems much more reasonable (though I gather “gay marriage” is in place in some states).
Like most people I loathe paedophiles, and think Verity’s suggestion that they should be castrated is too kind. I would prefer that they be put to death like the mad dogs which they are. However, I find something suspicious in the sudden revelations of churchmen indulging in paedophilia, the offences taking place thirty or more years ago. This time it is Church of England retired men from the Eastbourne area who are accused of this foul crime. It almost seems as though this depraved government wants to take what public indignation there is against ‘gay’ marriages and focus it on religious ‘kiddie fiddlers’. From years of Socialist indoctrination, unfortunately same-sex marriages are now considered socially acceptable, as is abortion and all other manners of perversion. Now only the religious (excluding of course the politically correct muslims in our midst) are viewed with suspicion, and it is a common cry to defend same-sex marriages by declaiming against organised, conventional religion.
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A new poster, Big Don, has left the following comment. I am unfortunately unable to offer him the freedom of posting without moderation, but I am sure we will all appreciate the time he is promising to put into lurking on this site, despite him finding it so offensive to his sensibilities…
Good to see that the loony pond life have got together and produced this risible blog. It’s really very, very sad that though you seem to have a lot of unpleasant things about the good old Speccie you can’t quite go it alone and in order to get anyone to read this desperate drival you are clearly engaging in a little passing off.
I though will continue to lurk and continue to have a damn good laugh at what you emotionally retarded imbeciles think on a range of subjects you clearly know nothing about.
Can a man be a dog. Not quite, but platonic friendship is quite possible
Can Gays marry. Apparently they used to. Are we asking whether their union can be sanctified by the Church? Surely up to the prelate and not the politician. Can their union be sanctified for the purpose of procreation? I would have thought that the answer to that one is obvious. Why are we even having the discussion?
Nicholas, today 00.02, sums up the opportunity to ‘sensitise’ youth with the truth. Look at the trends, ‘steam punk,’ folk music, popular demonstration. There is a sizable minority of youngsters that do not accept the status quo that is being fed to them, and a sizable further number that will align against any perceived status quo purely for the hell of it
What we have here is narrative, stories from memory – opinions born of experience and recounted with humour
If you could bear with a comparison to blogging for a moment ,Kitchen Sink drama was one pillar of the leftist domination of the arts, possibly culminating in some of the more bizarre reality shows that grace our TV screens today (Kitchen Sink with the Art taken out!). Narrative is powerful, as Frank P alludes to when he mentions McLuhan
If you scratch the surface of a Sillitoe novel, for example, I would argue that you don’t find the seeds of the Long March, you don’t however find Sillitoe taught as school any more (please correct if wrong – but hideously white and quite reactionary by modern Marxist standards). I think that the opportunity exists to disintermediate the narrative of the left by showing them to have mutated the earlier ideals and beliefs of the generation of leftists that came to dominate Academia and the Media. What happened next was the development of a singularly unpleasant ideology that has become detached from our National identity and then morphs with an authoritarian and profoundly undemocratic orthodoxy born of spite, envy and opportunism.
The trick is to couch such a description in an entertaining and engaging fashion. Much as Nelson and ‘Spectator as Westmisnster Hello’ doesn’t – and as Nicholas and Frank P do so well. If the bread is continued to be cast upon the waters the (young)people will come … More articles please
RocketDog
JR Dunn from AT on Breitbart jigs with your last post:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/03/emulating_breitbart.html
And here’s another:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/03/04/obama-alinsky-love-song
Make sure you read the text and scroll the poster right to the bottom.
Obama revealed!
That’s what we’re up against: the Leader of the Western World leading us up the garden path. Who are the puppet masters?
Hi Big Don (I guess the “Big” doesn’t refer to your intelligence, eh?).
Sad? Nooooooooo! Not us! We’re having fun. A bunch of us have got together to commiserate about life in Britain under the lefty yoke, to share tales of what a nasty, hypocritical, controlling bunch you all are (especially the cunning ones that pretend to be conservative) and to take the piss out of you. You should understand that. You should understand insurgency. It’s how you and your comrades got started. Hopefully anybody who really hates the Left and all their nasty works will turn up, say “Hi” and tell us their stories. Conservatives and culture warriors from across the globe are welcome, but especially American conservatives. We like their values of freedom. And solidarity worked well in Poland.
Still. I’m pleased you have more time to waste lurking and window licking now that you don’t have to moderate the Speccie’s Wall.
Got to go now. Laters!
PS “Drival” is spelt drivel btw. You should look it up in a dictionary and see what it says.
Frank Sutton, I have not used the term “gay marriage” except quoting others. There is no such thing. Yes, the toxic, evil (I use the word intentionally) left is now emboldened to try to steal the word “marriage”. In the US, it’s “civil partnership” and so it should be in Britain, too.
AWK … there is some socialist bint arguing for “after birth abortion” now. Common purpose is ramping up the speed, taking advantage of an “I wanna be popular and really, really important so I’ll bow and scrape to anyone” jackanapes of a PM.
They’re moving fast because they have a moron at the helm of Brtain and who would miss the chance of having Cameron as an opponent for anything?
Re the post above, can’t anyone pick up the phone and call UKIP and ask if they are aware that there is malware on their site? Personally, I don’t believe it.
Verity: “After birth abortion” what a simply perfect politically correct socialist/facist term. Oh if only Cameron’s mother had ventured into such murky waters and spared us all the national tragedy of a blancmange at Number 10.
Peter from Maidstone
March 6th, 2012 – 16:51
“I am finding that more and more I don’t see our present situation as a political one at all, as if just changing the personnel or some of the policies would make a great difference. Rather I am seeing it as a moral conflict in which Common Purpose and their fellow travellers are actually engaged in a moral evil, and are seeking the destruction of the Christian English heritage and society, as far as any of it remains.”
I’d like to respond as a religious Christian (for once, don’t usually).
“I am finding that more and more I don’t see our present situation as a political one at all, …………”
Yes Peter.
It is at first a frightening situation. Diabolical Evil has often been made manifest in this world. The last century certainly saw diabolical Evil enter into the mechanisms of the state in an attempt to thwart His divine will. We all know this and the examples you give are well known. However, did we really think that we would have to battle a state determined to send us to Hell?
Not me. I studied with fascination the decent into dark barbarism of other societies in the last 100 years; and now here we are.
Great.
I am sure that it is a common thing for ordinary people to wonder how they would have behaved in Nazi Germany. Now we will all have the opportunity to find out.
“Rather I am seeing it as a moral conflict in which Common Purpose and their fellow travellers……….”
These scum are a front.
They collect as scum do, on the surface.
The evil design that is forming before our eyes has far more powerful (and brainy) instigators and was being orchestrated at least 100 years ago. The ‘socialists’ and ‘progressives’ of the contemporary era are damned. They sense this instinctively are therefore wish to drag anyone and anything they can, down with them. However, they are not the root cause.
“…..are actually engaged in a moral evil…….”
To create, by law, a situation whereby sodomite/homosexual sex is celebrated at the Alter of a Christian Church is to formalise a deep deep blasphemy. The terrible truth is that those who recognise and support such actions will answer in the place beyond death. The place where we will all stand in time.
No Christian can afford to pretend that they do not know what is a stake.
“….and are seeking the destruction of the Christian English heritage and society, as far as any of it remains.”
Oh yes, and this cannot happen for no reason.
I do not believe for one second that the state’s determination (shared throughout the parasite political class) to create ‘gay marriage’ has ANYTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO with the HAPPINESS OF HOMOSEXUAL MEN OR WOMEN.
That is rubbish.
Though idiots and pension seekers will say that they believe that it has, who cares what they say and who cares they believe?
The worlds beyond this, both above and below us; beckon us all.
In this world (though a veil of law, society, culture, human intelligence, power, violence, wealth etc) they are able to make their bids for our destiny.
This world may be lost to us already. This world may always have been lost to us. It may not. I do not have my own grandchildren and so I do not experience your particular visceral anguish at the destruction of civil society and the state driven triumph of Evil. Well, not yet……..let’s see how I feel when the Child Protection E-Crimes Division trawls through my posts on political blogs.
Oh, in about three to five years. In fact, who’s that on the phone now?
May Almighty God Bless and Preserve Us All.
Again.
AWK — Remember Cameron hawking around his disabled son to try to get elected? How many shots were there of that child being slid in and out of NHS (geddit? “Even though we — and our families — are unimaginably rich, we’re just like you, the little people! We use the NHS!!!!”) ambulances.
“telemachus’
March 6th, 2012 8:07pm
PS good to see my good friend Big Don on form again”
So, there’s the answer. Just another troll in the gang of the obsessing telemachus’ who just cannot let go. And they have the bare faced audacity to call us “sad”?
Verity
March 6th, 2012 – 20:34
Hi.
Using the condition of a disabled child for your own personal advancement is simply horrible and it is possibly even worse when that child is your own.
No-one in the MSM seemed to notice this fact and that is terrible. Either that or they DID notice but decided to keep quiet to protect their own careers. Again, an even worse situation.
Given the above I am ‘shocked’ when Conservative voters express their ‘shock’ at the latest political betrayal or government led legal assault on decent civil society.
It is time thinking good people stopped taking cowards and liars at their own estimation of themselves.
No-one can honestly pretend to ‘shocked’ at the trajectory of our society any longer.
People who still pretend to be ‘shocked’ are now the enemies of truth and reason. This includes nearly all journalists.
When you return to the clear, public evidence of exactly who it is in office these days you expose the craven self deceit of the collaborators. So good.
I am sure that they would prefer if you forgot and ‘moved on’; like them.
…and further.
It occurs to me that when a politician seeking high office employs a disabled child in his media campaign; then other politicians who refuse to use the same tactics are at a disadvantage in respect of the sympathy vote. So such behavior, if successful; will rather poison the well.
Unless, obviously, someone else had said,” I know Dave! Why don’t we use your sick son in our media campaign?”
I suppose it’s possible.
We must be fair and balance when considering these things….
Verity
March 6th, 2012 – 20:34
Yes, Verity,
It was very unpleasant seeing Cameron cashing in on the suffering of his own child. Rather like the ‘beggars’ one sees in Middle Eastern shuks, who deliberately mutilate their children to gain more pity and hence more coinage from passing travellers.
John,
I am not yet old enough for grandchildren, and hope my children behave themselves properly for the time being.
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
That seems to be where we are at as far as I can see.
I am very glad that Cardinal O’Brien has spoken out. Personally I have some hope that the Catholic Church will step up to the plate, despite the fact that it is and will be very costly. I hope that my own hierarchs will stand with them, and that I will be able to also.
“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood,…..”
Yes.
That is what it is all about, always has been and and always will be.
As you infer it is an illusion for Christians to imagine that this law or that stricture is the ‘real issue’. Though, again, I was surprised to realise that this era, my own era; would experience the real spiritual battle descend to this, our material realm; and engage us all with such brazen immediacy.
I though that Evil was supposed to be well disguised and hard to fathom?
Instead it limps through the door and asks me to fill in a racial profile of myself (this lunchtime, I refused last week and refused again today, new job you see?).
Not very sly at all. A bit clumsy on Old Nick’s part. Not that I’m complaining or anything. Oh no Sir!
Let’s see what My own ‘Holy Roman C. & A’. Church can do.
Then again, the Church didn’t help enough innocents during the previous episodes of history that we mention above.
Then again I ain’t innocent so it’s a close call!
Good night and God Bless!
This article by Mark Steyn
http://www.steynonline.com/4857/the-church-of-big-government
and the equivalent stushie over here about Cardinal O’Brien’s speech set me thinking about the origin of the phrase Culture War…
Frank P
March 6th, 2012 – 17:54
I don’t get any such warning when clicking on either of the two links, Nigel Farage’s speech on the extradition treaty or the post on Bloggers4UKIP where I posted Nicholas’s summation of our political predicament (Saturday, 3 March 2012
Desperate times call for desperate Tories).
Have another click on the speech – Mr. Farage seems well pissed off.
He begins:
“Our battle is not just against the EU; our battle, if you think about it, really, is against the political class in this country who’ve sold us down the river [applause] but not just in the EU…”. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDnpqEuiieo
By the way, when I just checked the Bloggers4UKIP site, I noticed that the most recent thread reports that a UKIP candidate, Sonja McNally, has declared herself as a candidate in the election in Bradford West – and will be running against George Galloway inter alios.
Is there anyone on the Wall living in Bradford or, if not, who is going to be watching the campaign closely, who might contribute a blog or two during the race to help us understand what is going on? I imagine that there will be seams of PC and, I hope, NPC to be mined.
I, too, didn’t get any dramatic notices when I went to Bloggers4UKIP.
Another refugee from the Speccie here! Just to say hello and thank PfM for setting up this outpost of reason against the legions of the left!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/press/met-officers-evidence-at-leveson-inquiry-may-prejudice-future-trials-7542449.html
Well that’s one way of putting the kibosh on the whole affair. Bwaahahahaha.
Rupe picks up the tab for all the comp claims and everyone else walks.
Oh Dear, Oh Dear, Oh Dear!
Gilbert & Sullivan.
[Moderated: Let’s do as Nicholas advises and avoid easy causes for criticism of content here]
So six more British soldiers killed in the Islamic sewer of Afghanistan. To what purpose?
Clear Memories 7th, – 06:17
We-ell, the fairest form of compensation, surely, would be to offer them repatriation to the place of origin of their ancestors?
On a put up or shut up basis, of course.
I hear Prince Harry is to express regret for slavery in Jamaica, why? If the ancestors of the modern Jamaicans had not been transported across the ocean then there a very good chance they would have ended up in the slave markets of Cairo, and I do not hear that any of them inhierited a nation. These people should be thanking us for their good fortune. By the way, the Ides of March commeth, but where is Brutus when you need him?
Frank P
I had never heard of Breibart, but I have now. Very interesting, as are the comments from Americans on both articles pretty well much mirroring what we have here
Some interesting parallels – certainly one between Communism, in all its glorious shades, being still very much within the historical context of the leftism that we are suffering today. Obama and Saul Alinksy, connections with US Communism and links with the Soviet agitators. We have our own dear Gordon Brown brought up at the knee of Jack Jones and as unlikely a traditional ‘socialist’ in Blair as Obama is a traditional ‘democrat.’
What are we to make of it all? Conspiracy theories? Bilderberger People, etc. The fact is that the world of ideas (and hence politics) is infinitely faster moving now than it was even a decade ago, and that those individuals and organisations that are interested in pure power (and not the genesis and development of ideas) can harness existing control systems and use them to their own best advantage. I think that this is what politicians/social engineers like to call ‘modernisation.’
It may be that Obama is his own puppetmaster, and that deals have been struck in various quarters to deliver him and retain his power. I don’t know. What I do know is that our own dear PM got it right (for once) when he claimed that ‘daylight is the best antisceptic.’
I am no fan of Mr Cameron, and have little faith in the Conservative Party’s ability to do much more than engage in a fairly shallow dialogue with the opposition parties while quietly filling their own boots. However, they are only the enemy insumach as they are an ineffectual buttress against the leftists and the EU. Breibart was a ‘hard man’ for the conservatives – albeit the activists. We don’t have this as anyone stupid enought to try is immediately rounded upon by the new Authoritarian establishment and either vilified or got rid of
I would suggest that way around this is by innocent narrative. No-one can argue with a story, and if we can make a story out of the current unpleasant impasse we find ourselves in, then the young will listen and in time radicalise. It has taken the left a good long while to get us here – and it will take a good long time to get out, so let’s start with a clear account of how it all happened, who the guilty parties are and some vision on where it its all taking us
As the Chinese Proverb says: ‘If we don’t change direction soon, we will arrive where we are headed’
Portia Simpson Miller heads the Peoples National Party which is more left wing than the Jamaica Labour Party but she made these comments in response to questions in an interview. It is not clear who asked the questions but that is the part between the lines that needs to be read. It is almost certainly being orchestrated as the interview also raised the possibility of a referendum to remove HM The Queen as Head of State, but does it originate there – or here?
In part it might well have been calculated to provoke a response that could then be characterised as “racist”.
One of the ways the old Wall was characterised and which contributed to its fall was the ease with which leftist agitators and provokers characterised right wing views as “racist” and “bigoted”. It is a standard tactic deployed by them to undermine and marginalise dissent but I respectfully suggest it is unwise to write in any way that provides them with ammunition for the weapons they already point at us. Freedom of speech is not the same thing as shooting oneself in the foot.
stephen maybery 7th, – 10:58
Casca: “Speak, hands, for me!”
An accusation of bigotry contains the unspoken presumption that the accuser is a model of impersonal rationality (reasonableness?). It also exposes his ignorance of the distinction between bigotry and prejudice. The first is the extremal case of the second but that does not mean that the distinction cannot be drawn. Bigotry is closed-minded obduracy in beliefs which one’s assailant (relative to his own prejudices) finds obnoxious. Prejudice consists, non-culpably, of the categories behind the eyes, the largely instinctual beliefs and ideas reflecting one’s accumulated experience of life. The holder of the beliefs may have got out of the habit of questioning them but this does not mean (s)he is averse to doing so in principle if the equivalent of a black swan flies overhead.
The only person who can boast of being free from prejudice is living in a perpetual ab initio, which in turn means either that his short term memory has failed or that he is a Maoist.
Andy Car Park
And THAT, I assume, is EXACTLY ‘WBHTDWI’.
That may be the case, Andy Car Park, but unfortunately modern Britain doesn’t work like that and I am averse to reinforcing the prejudices of others in order to advantage them. That is just stupid. For all his fire I doubt very much that Breitbart would have descended to the racial abuse and impoverished reason for resorting to it seen here this morning.
Count me out and get Clear Memories to blog for you.
‘Count me out and get Clear Memories to blog for you.’
?
Nicholas
“It is a standard tactic deployed by them to undermine and marginalise dissent but I respectfully suggest it is unwise to write in any way that provides them with ammunition for the weapons they already point at us. Freedom of speech is not the same thing as shooting oneself in the foot.”
Gentle and timely.
I, for one, will raise the angle of my rifle, use clean bullets and try to keep on target. We’re relying on Peter to keep an eye on things, but it is obviously necessary that we restrain ourselves to make his stewardship less difficult. We are here to oppose the lunacy of the Left, not bolster the lunacy of the extreme right, right?
Andy, I am more concerned, I guess, that the level of discourse here be higher than that on the Spectator site. I can’t say anything about the prejeudices we all have as human beings, but the expression of them is surely liable to a judgement about what is reasonable in serious company.
I’d rather not give space to anything that might detract from getting the real issues dealt with, and use of certain words does detract, unnecessarily it seems to me. I think we are pretty much free to express views here, but how they are expressed should be subject to some self-moderation.
Wall peoples, Khosh Amadid!
Hello, my name Mahmoud, and I working in loft on bomb to kill next door neighbour.
Police know about bomb and is stopping Mahmoud shopping and working at market stall. They think this will stop me. No. Police sending round sometimes policemen from local what they call nik to see what Mahmoud doing, but I say only play with some kiddie chemicals in loft and, no, you stay at door until Mahmoud make the loft nice for policemen. They go away.
The Neighbour Watch Peoples led by camel-facings Catherine woman who should wear burka, Insha’Allah, sayings all the neighbour peoples must meet again to talk about what Mahmoud doing. We talking about my doings for six year now, but she want more talk. OK, as long as Mahmoud can keep workings in the loft. She say yes Mahmoud and returns to her nosebag for haram meal.
I think Lord Mayor like to stop me, but he election coming up and not want to get involved and anyway, he hates my next door neighbours as they fight with their next door neighbours who he likes as they are of our faith.
Now my next door neighbour is saying will destroy loft without notice. They have long history of great loft destructions.
All these local peoples unhelpful with Mahmouds human rights and I go soon to freedom court in Europe.
Notice please that I am deeply religious man of the Religion of Peace and have belief in Mahdi – who will be guestings at end of world, coming soon, Insha’Allah.
Bang!!! Heh, heh only joking Wall Peoples.
Nicholas
You just started a counter-revolution. If ever there was a politically motivated, MSN originated plant then this is probably it.
I suppose that the logical conclusion of this sort of analysis would be the opposite of the Marxist Dialectic approach that has given us the ‘upside down’ world of Blaironomics and Millimarxism. It needs to be unpicked bit by bit, with the first question always being …Why are we being told this?
I should like to make one one attempt to defuse what may be an incipient misunderstanding. My post at 12:38 was directed solely at use of the appellation ‘bigot’ as a substitute for disputation. I had not read further up the thread and therefore failed to appreciate the trend of the earlier discussion. This was slipshod on my part. My thanks to PfM for his mature and measured clarification. I respect his hospitality and his house rules. End of post.
Austin Barry
Should be a graphic novel
I think I understood both Nicholas and Bruce M (ACP); I’m sure they now understand each other. Censoring words is dangerous, but as Peter laid down in his very fair ground rules, context is everything and racist epithets counter-productive. It would be a great pity if a misunderstanding between erstwhile and stalwart allies undermined our new project, and no doubt the subject of puerile rejoicing by the adversaries we are trying to negate. Perhaps a cyber-handshake will put this behind us and – on with the motley?
Stephen Mayberry 10:58 … Ha ha ha ha ha!
On the other hand, cometh the hour, cometh the man …
Time for a laugh?
I got this Email in this morning.
It could be a variation old an old joke but it made me laugh.
(Sorry I am unable to upload the graphics.)
(there could be the nub of a money spinning idea in this!)
Australia Post have created and marketed a new stamp displaying a picture of the current Prime Minister of Australia, Ms Gillard.
The prime minister had requested a recall of the stamps following concerns that they weren’t sticking.
Australia Post recently suspended a recall of the stamps after the findings of a special Senate Committee were released.
The Prime Minister was told that the stamp was not sticking to envelopes and the enraged Prime Minister demanded a full investigation.
After a month of testing and spending of $1.85 million, a special Senate Committee led by the leader of the Greens, Bob Brown, presented the following findings –
1) The stamp is in perfect order.
2) There is nothing wrong with the adhesive.
3) People are spitting on the wrong side of the stamp.
Austin Barry (13:21)
Wonderful. Perhaps Mahmoud will keep us regularly posted on his attic activities together with the interface with, and reactions of, the authorities and the Neighbour Watch? Once a week (logistics permitting)? Eat your heart out, Ian Hislop – or hire him!
Rocket Dog – I recommend that you watch some Nigel Farage on YouTube. Well articulated sentences with meaning unminced.
Nicholas, I think it is time that we defined “racist”. Some facts are factual.
Nicholas and Andy Carpark … Clear Memories … Wha???
Frank P 13:15 … “the lunacy of the extreme right, right?”
Is today’s thread written in code? Paging Alan Turing …
Thanks EC – we needed that! Someone should send a copy to Fabian Fanny.
Here’s my NN’s contribution for today:
Facts About Sex
At Any Given Moment:
FACT:
79,000,000 people are engaged in sex – right now!
FACT:
58,000,000 are kissing.
FACT:
37,000,000 are relaxing after having sex.
FACT:
1 elderly person is reading emails.
You hang in there, Sunshine ……..
Verity
Paging Alun Turing?
Are you trying to lure us back to the homosex spat?
Re Prince Harry … the most elevating and cheerful site he is going to see in Kingston is the entrance to the airport. I couldn’t wait to get out. And why Jamaica? Barbados and the capital Bridgetown would have been a better West Indian destination. Night and day.
Yes, I’m not sure why Prince Harry was sent to Jamaica? I would have thought that we should be able to claim against Jamaica for all the costs associated with Jamaican gansgters and drug dealers coming to the UK?
Frank … given that our most brilliant codebreaker saved tens of thousands of British lives during WWII, what the hell does his having been born homosexual have to do with it? He would have been better off designing dresses?
Given that he was later, after the incredible service he performed for Britain, imprisoned for being a homosexual, over which, as we know now, he had no control … I don’t know how you can turn the tragedy of his treatment post-War into a joke.
Don’t let the crime-ridden slum of Kingston turn you off the W Indies. Barbados is civilised and lovely.
Let’s not start assuming we know the origins of homosexual feelings. I am not at all convinced by the ‘born with them’ assumption, and in any case my religious service requires me to support all manner of people in overcoming mere animal desires. We become less human when we say of any aspect of our lives that we were born like it.
Six British soldiers dead in another country dedicated to islam’s violent desert diety and his slimy prophet.
As many (includiing me) have said before, we have the means to go in and annex the oilfields. We should do it. Peripheral countries like Afghanistan, which has absolutely nothing to barter with, should be carpet bombed. I am sick to death of this government and our allies losing British and allied lives for nothing. I would say Afghanistan should be bombed back to the Stone Age, but these people never left. Same with Saudi Arabia. Annex.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2111395/Nuclear-armed-terrorists-real-threat-Britain-Deputy-Prime-Minister-Nick-Clegg-warn.html
Gosh, thanks, Nick (unelected “deputy” PM), although you’ve really scared me. I had always thought that nuclear-armed terrorists were well-meaning and harmless.
P of M and others.
“But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”
I think it was Chesterton who said that the most important man on earth is the perfect man who is not there.
One tries to defer to him.
Publius, not quite sure what you mean?
Doing some regular checks, it would seem that searching google.co.uk for Coffee House Wall we are now top, and searching google.com for the same we are now second. This is pretty good going I think. And we are reaching 2,000 pages viewed a day.
If anyone is able to get a link to the site added somewhere useful then it would be great if you got it added.
P from M writes to Publius: “Publius, not quite sure what you mean?”
– Nothing untoward, Peter, I can assure you. Merely a somewhat off-centre remark about the somewhat tiresome vitriol that occasionally pops up on the subject of buggers, sodomites etc.
I do have a view about atheistical militant gay activists and those rather nasty low-church heretical protestants and others who seem so gleefully ready to cast the first stone and become so exercised about gay matters. But I am a sinner and I prefer to reflect on my own mainifest failings.
Well, I got you on to Chicago Boyz at least a week ago, and that is a highly regarded blog. Do you know whether we’ve had any US visitors? Canadians? Aussies? It might be worth investigating Aussie blogs. I sure there are some robust Aussies we would enjoy reading and who would like to be linked.
Speaking of Aussies, I read an article by Rolf Harris the other day, and did you know the wobble board is not an aboriginal construct? He had been mixing paint, or something, on thin pieces of board, cleaned it and was waving it over the fire to get dry and he liked the wobble sound, so incorporated it in all his music. And there we’d all been imaging groups of Abos with digeridoos and wobble boards as his back-up.
Verity
I can make a joke about anything, as you well know; there is little other protection against incipient insanity. And we could debate forever who played what part in ‘our’ victory in WWII – if that is indeed what it was. Looking at Europe today, I often wonder, as one who joined in the euphoria of VE Day, whether our celebrations were somewhat premature. I have some sympathy now with those who felt we should have kept going until we had defeated the worst of our enemies – Joe Stalin. As for the pouffery issue – well, nature, nurture, grooming or downright depravity? The permutations for that argument are endless, have been well aired this week, and you’re right, I shouldn’t have teased you in that way; not for the reasons you elicit, because I’m bored shitless with it, except insofar as the useful idiots who espouse it as a political movement, keep shoving it down our throats – so to speak! So don’t you start! There’s been enough misunderstanding on this thread today, already. 🙂
Publius, I am also well aware of my own sins, and if it were only a matter of private sexual activities then that would be a reason for not even speaking of such things, but it does seem to me that there are other forces at work, and this particular issue is a symptom of some deeper and longer term activism. I could imagine keeping my head down and doing nothing, waiting for death. But it seems to me that our children do not deserve to inherit the future we are leaving them, and so I do think we must speak up and stand out.
That is no reason for considering the personal sins of individuals any worse than our/my own, but there are other forces at work which must be named for the evil they are.
Rolf Harris, last of the great polymaths. Has anyone heard Led Zeppelin’s atrocious cover version of his minor hit, ‘Staircase to Heaven’? What a cacophony.
Andy Car Park
You are f*****g incorrigible! Bwaaahahahahaha!
FRANK P – Pax! (But hatred of homosexuality does seem to be a male thing.)
I have been looking at visitor sources.
The vast majority of visits are from the UK, but we have only just started to branch out and get links elsewhere.
There are also visitors, in order of visit numbers, from Mexico, Phillipines, Ireland, Canada, United States, New Zealand, Spain, Norway, Australia, Germany, France, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar, Belgium, South Africa, Switzerland, Denmark, Brazil, Czech Republic, Netherlands, United Arab Emirates, Austria, Costa Rica, Guernsey, Israel, India, Iran, Italy, Jersey, Japan, Kenya, Luxembourg, Burma, Portugal, Singapore, Senegal, Thailand and Trinidad/Tobago.
So we already have a cosmopolitan audience, we just need to increase quantities of visitors through promoting as many links as possible.
P from M writes to Publius: “named for the evil they are.” etc.
No doubt, Peter, no doubt. My forum is elsewhere for serious matters. I do not direct this at anyone here or accuse them when I say I agree that one has a duty to speak out against evil, but this must surely be balanced by one’s awareness of one’s incomplete knowledge. In other words, there is no wisdom without moderation. Anything else just falls into the same vile modernist trap of the leftists.
P from M – WOW!!!!!!!!!! And the site’s only been up, what … a month?
We opened for business on 5th February.
I think we are doing well, and with many more links could do very well.
Verity, the story of Rolf Harris’s invention of the wobble board dates back to the time of Tie Me Kangaroo Down Sport (though maybe you don’t go back that far!).
It’s only one of the Aussie polymath’s gifts to culture. His catchy phrase “Can you tell what it is yet” inspired the game of painting charades (which I modestly claim to have invented). The idea is to convey the essence of a painting by body language alone. I’ve had some success with “The Scream” (by Out to Lunch – it’s Edvard Munsch) disconcertingly. If conducted in my own home I merely have to point around the room to conjure up the spirit of Guernica. Last time I tried this, I also created the opportunity to cite another of Picasso’s big hits, “Weeping Woman”.
But that’s another story.
Does someone want to contact Pete Hoskin and see if he will add us to the Spectator blogroll?
No.
The reason for the terse response is, Pete is not in charge of editorial content at The Speccie. This is an editor’s decision and the editor is Fraser. I have a feeling The Speccie is Pete’s first job out of uni, but that is by the way.
I know that Pete Hoskin IS in charge of the blogroll, because he added Conservative Voices for me when I asked. But I don’t want to impose on him, or put him in an awkward position.
I once read an ostensibly po-faced story on a Guido Fawkes thread, which the blogmeister would surely have deleted had it been false in any detail. Apologies, however, if anyone has already been Ancient Marinered in the pub with this one. Here we go.
A group of men were pulled off the street at random and each given a questionnaire to test the intensity of their homophobia. The tests were then taken away and marked. The men were then herded into a studio cinema with nice seats, plush screen curtains, and a Dr Phibes lookalike playing a cinema organ (all right, I made that bit up).
With their permission, some white-coated functionaries came round and attached some … apparatus to measure their level of arousal. As Dr Phibes reached a crescendo, the curtains swept back upon a film of a Roman orgy in which there were no female participants.
Yes, you astute peoples saw it coming a mile off. Direct proportionality between arousal and self-proclaimed homophobia. Science, that is. Nah, don’t knock it. Settled science. Read it on Guido. Oh, very nice of you, I’m sure. Half o’ lager, mate. Cheers.
I see that a headless, limbless female torso has been discovered in the Regent’s Canal.
Sad, yes. but this recalls an exchange between Scotland Yard legend, Inspector Truscott, (Frank P. would know him) and one of his villains:
” Trustcott: You have before you a man who is quite a personage in his way – Trustcott of the Yard (Takes out a pipe and begins to fill it slowly, in silence.) Have you never heard of Truscott? The man who tracked down the limbless girl killer? Or was that sensation before your time?
Villain: Who would kill a limbless girl?
Truscott: She was the killer.
Villain: How did she manage it if she was limbless?
Truscott: That is a question I’m not prepared to answer to anyone outside the profession.”
These days of course Truscott would alert a newspaper for cash.
ACP
I assume the white coated ‘functionaries’ were voluptuous sirens (I first wrote big-titted birds – but emended it – not wishing to offend anybody) who lingered over fitting the ‘apparatus’ – thus backing it both ways and getting the result they were looking for -as science is apt to do, these days.
Actually, the soft cinema seat alone would have done the trick for me, regardless of what appeared on screen: it would have evoked memories of youthful days when youngsters went to the flicks not to watch the film, but to play sticky fingers in the back seat. Don’t you remember? “Look – windows!” A sure sign of satisfaction – and all for 1s 9d.
Austin Barry
“These days of course Truscott would alert a newspaper for cash…”
…or a job as columnist on the Sunday Times.
Dellers at his stunning best in today’s Telegraph:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100142080/cameron-and-osborne-are-giving-public-schoolboys-a-bad-name/
The Comments would seem to argue for a universal hatred of Dave among people who can read.
Malfleur
March 5th, 2012 – 15:39
I got to thinking of your use of the dialectic as a weapon and came across this narrative(apologies for the length) on the Frankfurt School, maybe familiar already to some gathered here. I highlight a key paragraph with stars:-
Britain today is dominated by a system of beliefs, attitudes and values that we have come to know as “Political Correctness.” For many it is an annoyance and a self parodying joke. But Political Correctness is deadly serious in its aims, seeking to impose a uniformity of thought and behavior on all Englishmen. It is therefore totalitarian in nature. Its roots lie in a version of Marxism which sees culture, rather than the economy, as the site of class struggle.
Under Marxist economic theory, the oppressed workers were supposed to be the beneficiaries of a social revolution that would place them on top of the power structure. When these revolutionary opportunities presented themselves, however, the workers did not respond. The Marxist revolutionaries did not blame their theory for these failures; instead they blamed the “ruling class,” which had bought off the workers by giving them “rights,” and had blinded them with a “false consciousness” that led them to support national governments and liberal democracy.
One group of Marxist intellectuals resolved this apparent contradiction of Marxist theory by an analysis that focused on society’s cultural “superstructure” rather than on the economic “base” as Marx did. The Italian Marxist Antonio Gramsci and Hungarian Marxist Georg Lukacs contributed the most to this new cultural Marxism.
Among Marxists, Gramsci is noted for his theory that cultural hegemony is the means to class dominance. In his view, a new “Communist man” had to be created through a changed culture before any political revolution was possible. This led to a focus on the efforts of intellectuals in the fields of education and media.
Georg Lukacs believed that for a new Marxist culture to emerge, the existing culture must be destroyed. He said, “I saw the revolutionary destruction of society as the one and only solution to the cultural contradictions of the epoch…. Such a worldwide overturning of values cannot take place without the annihilation of the old values and the creation of new ones by the revolutionaries.”
In 1923, Lukacs and other Marxist intellectuals associated with the Communist Party of Germany founded the Institute of Social Research at Frankfurt University in Frankfurt, Germany. The Institute, which became known as the Frankfurt School, was modeled after the Marx-Engels Institute in Moscow. In 1933, when Nazis came to power in Germany, the members of the Frankfurt School fled. Most went to the United States and many became influential in American universities. The Frankfurt School’s studies combined Marxist analysis with Freudian psychoanalysis to form the basis of what became known as “Critical Theory.”
Critical Theory was essentially destructive criticism of the main elements of Western culture, including Christianity, capitalism, authority, the family, patriarchy, hierarchy, morality, tradition, sexual restraint, loyalty, patriotism, nationalism, heredity, ethnocentrism, convention and conservatism.
Critical Theorists recognized that traditional beliefs and the existing social structure would have to be destroyed and then replaced with a “new thinking” that would become as much a part of elementary consciousness as the old one had been. Their theories took hold in the tumultuous 1960s, when the Vietnam War opened a Pandora’s Box of reevaluaton and revolution. The student radicals of the era were strongly influenced by revolutionary ideas, among them those of Herbert Marcuse, a member of the Frankfurt School who preach the “Great Refusal,” a rejection of all basic Western concepts and an embrace of sexual liberation, and the merits of feminist and black revolutions. His primary thesis was that university students, ghetto blacks, the alienated, the asocial, and the Third World could take the place of the proletariat in the coming Communist revolution.
Marcuse may be the most important member of the Frankfurt School in terms of the origins of Political Correctness, because he was the critical link to the counterculture of the 1960s. His objective was clear: “One can rightfully speak of a cultural revolution, since the protest is directed toward the whole cultural establishment, including morality of existing society.”
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When addressing the general public, contemporary advocates of Political Correctness – or Cultural Marxism, as it might just as easily be called – present their beliefs with appealing simplicity as merely a commitment to being “sensitive” to other people and embracing values such as “tolerance” and “diversity.”
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The reality is different. Political Correctness is the use of culture as a sharp weapon to enforce new norms and to stigmatize those who dissent from the new dispensation; to stigmatize those who insist on values that will impede the new “PC” regime: free speech and free and objective intellectual inquiry.
Leviathan (18:15)
Yep; that’s been the message of the regulars here for the past decade (or more) on this and previous manors, but it’s good to see a new face enlightened and spreading the word, because the knockers accuse us of banging the old drum.
The right message can’t be repeated often enough, imho. It’s how the left have managed to encroach so comprehensively with the Long March and the wrong (left) message. Problem is we’re talking to ourselves, mostly; there’s none so deaf … but in conversations with the young I detect an awakening interest – and this is the medium for that, as they have stopped reading the dead tree media. And the other heartening thing is the increasing number of apostates from the Left: people like Melanie Phillips, Peter Hitchens, David Horowitz, Gerard Vanderleun and yes – Andrew Breitbart. There’s none so Catholic as a convert.
Verity
Great link to Delingpole’s latest. Agree in the main with him; the Tory Party no longer has successful senior politicians from across the board exercising judgement with gravitas, backed up by a Civil Service that was fairly apolitical and extremely efficient. The neophytes who have now taken the reins are truly nauseating and the Civil Service now comprises, almost entirely. leftist appartchiks and think-wankers. See no end to that unless there really is a reverse revolution. Even then, where would the talent be to start again? Best stay put South of the Border and … dream on.
Verity
I guess that I’m younger than you – so I was subjected to this sort of doublethink at University and sometimes get into the habit of prattling on like a Marxist Academic out of recall if nothing else. Like Malfleur, for me it is a process of joining up the dots and coming to some sort of realisation, in ones own terms, of what has been going on around me over the last decade or so. It is refreshing to listen to Nicholas and to Frank because we get it. Others might need a translation, hopefully we can provide it
Sadly the day of the uncomplic
On Delingpole’s blog, a blogger going under the name DJ Painless mentioned Hong Kong when it was a British possession and run by a Scot and probably one of the most successful economies in the world.
It was totally laissez-faire, and there was no tax. Everything worked, the population was rolling in clover, they worked hard to make money because they could keep it all. That’s the answer. No tax.
“Sadly the day of the uncomplic”
And then he hit ‘send’???
There’s now a claim that there is a drug that can cure racism. Seriously.
It makes me wonder how soon the politically correct are going to demand demand that the administration of it be made compulsory.
http://www.timeslive.co.za/world/2012/03/08/drug-that-gets-to-the-very-heart-of-racism
moderation @ 6:17
Well, I guess it doesn’t take long for censorship to creep in!
Was it the ‘n’ word that did it? Or perhaps the truth because it exposed the venality of the Arabs and the political bias/blindness of the left-leaners?
By the way, I note you missed Australia out of your list of visitors. Can’t understand why – its nice down here, not to PC yet (although the nasty Welsh derivative is doing her best)
[Moderated: I don’t think that this type of humour supports the development of the site]
Clear Memories and Ostrich (Occasionally)
I’m sorry that I’m not allowed to know what the first wrote to which the second replied, so I cannot comment on the content. Perhaps one man’s candid speech is another’s political correctness.With regard to “…offer them repatriation to the place of origin of their ancestors”, I remember I was once crossing Park Avenue in Manhattan with a very feisty man of the left who had given the CP a hard time apparently in the 1930s. He made the offer to a passing demonstration of Afro-Americans whose slogans were not entirely multi-cultural in flavour. The leader of the demonstration spat in his face. Fortunately, self-esteem is the only think which can get bruised online. Keep posting!
Peter from Maidstone
I see that vanderleun on the Freedom of Speech – No Limits blog has a colourful and salty avatar. Do you think he could be prevailed upon to provide the idiots’ guide to how to do this?
leviathan @ 18:15
I think mockery is another good way of fighting back against PC – and Clear Memories has a good stab at that at 01.31.
Perhaps an “I Am Offended” march could be organized in an appropriate part of London – Notting Hill Gate? – with only those words on the placards and lips of the demonstrators?
Ann Barnhardt is on Barry’s case in conjunction with Sheriff Arpaio:
http://barnhardt.biz/
[See: PRAY FOR TRACTION
POSTED BY ANN BARNHARDT – MARCH 5, AD 2012 5:21 PM MST]
The MSM has written off the Obama ‘birthers’ as a tinfoil hat conspiracy theory and the Feds won’t investigate the ever-increasing mass of evidence because he’s the boss; but sooner or later somebody has to get to the bottom of this. If the Western World is under the stewardship of a complete fake, then it is biggest con-job of all time in the history of the world.
In the face of such a possibility even Leo Messi’s 5 goals last night against Bayer Leverkusen pales into insignificance.
http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/story/_/id/7657739/lionel-messi-first-player-score-5-goals-champions-league-game.
Both links – utterly phenomenal.
I see that Marine Le Pen raised a subject in France that P from Maidstone raised in Britain … secret “halal” slaughter … in this instance of French animals.
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/meat-slaughter-dispute-hits-sarkozy/237091-70.html
Verity – those of the left demonstrate their true hatred for white westerners and their utter, vile racism by the way they remain slient and inactive on all matters relating to the beliefs, actions and utterances of members of Islam and, on a greater scale, their implicit attitude that nothing that is not white can be wrong – action or belief.
They glue butchers locks up but refrain from campaigning outside mosques; they argue young Jewish boys should not be subject to circumsicion yet believe Africans should be permitted to follow the vile practice of genital mutilation; they argue for womens rights in the West, to the point where many small businesses will no longer engage women whilst remaining oddly mute in the face of forced marriages and the chattel status of women in Islam.
When various socialists, like Harmen and others, start attacking Muslims, those from the Indian sub-continent and Africans for their savage and inhuman beliefs and practices, I shall pay their opinions due consideration and attention.
Until then, any lefties posting here can assume their views are pointless, weightless and a waste of bandwidth.
Australia is on the list of visitor locations.
Of course there will be moderation and even censorship here. Why would you think otherwise. This is MY site, especially in the sense that I will be held liable for content, not you.
I don’t like the n word for a variety of reasons. I don’t like the c word, and the f word needs to have some contextual justification. I also don’t like incitement to acts of particular violence. If you, or others, want to create websites and engage freely in the use of all these terms then you are free to do so, but you will then be held liable for the content. I think everyone understands why there are limits on a blog. The fact that people can post here does not mean that they are free to post anything they want. I have already excluded several trolls entirely whose views would not benefit the site. I may believe generally in freedom of speech, but that does not require me to facilitate that speech in all circumstances.
I think that I am liberal enough in allowing almost anything to be said here, but there are limits. Other limits, if there are any, will be discovered in an ad hoc manner in the future.
“I think mockery is another good way of fighting back against PC – and Clear Memories has a good stab at that at 01.31.”
It isn’t. That “joke” will not “fight back” against PC but just reinforce prejudices about this site and condemn any serious arguments here to be lost. For what? For a transient “joke” of a type that will ultimately enable the enemies of this site to justifiably label it “racist” and “bigoted”. As the “racist” and “bigot” reputation grows (and it won’t have to depend on the facts – remember the old Wall) many posters with something useful to say will be discouraged from contributing.
You think this site should be all about anti-Muslim jokes and that will “fight back” against PC? It will just strengthen the promoters of PC and diminish the effectiveness of anything else posted here.
Good strategy? I think not.
“Perhaps one man’s candid speech is another’s political correctness.”
My post had NOTHING to do with political correctness and everything to do with the crass stupidity of own goals. Try reading what I actually wrote and understanding it before attributing to me the very thing I’m trying to fight.
Some of the posts here this morning disgust me. Not because I’m offended, but because they are so counter-productive and self damaging.
I have removed the joke that Clear Memories posted. I dont think that the raison d’etre of the site is at that level. I also know people whose families have been killed in such circumstances and I don’t think they would find it funny. It is too painful.
I think that we must be careful not to simply play to our own feelings and opinions here, since that is to abandon any hope of engaging in a wider discourse, and will limit us to being a circle of older/elderly people complaining about the world. I didn’t create the site just to be able to hear people say what I thought, but to facilitate right-of-centre comment which the Spectator magazine was rejecting.
As Nicholas says there should be plenty of scope for intelligent and critical analysis and comment, which is why the site exists. We need to be careful not to allow the site to be diminished by things that we post and must all be responsible. I would rather have a handful of posts by the big thinkers and posters who come here, than hundreds of jokes that drive them away.
Will Nigel Farage, and other serious (and careful) poliicians post here if we are not ourselves careful how we present the site? I doubt it.
Nicholas
“Two aspects of “early Blair” stick in my mind. The fact that he wanted to hobnob on TV with the likes of Noel Gallagher and Bono rather than anonymous people who had dedicated their lives to public service and charity”
Noel Gallagher recently praised Margaret Thatcher, so I think he deserves to have his explanation for that meeting with Blair to be repeated here:
“I was 30, off me head on drugs, I don’t have a crystal ball. I didn’t see he was going to turn into a c–t.”
We all do silly things when we’re young, but it seems Mr Gallagher has learnt from them.
Peter from Maidstone
March 8th, 2012 – 07:47
Seems reasonable, on the grounds that you will be held liable only.
I also don’t like the ‘c’ word, although I feel the ‘f’ word now works in far too many contexts. As for the ‘n’ word, my objection is, it is somehow OK for an ‘n’ to use the word, but nobody else. That is wrong in so many ways.
Sorry you didn’t like the joke either.
I do feel, having worked in the Middle East, that one way to puncture their pomposity is to ridicule it.
Surely you must realise that it is impossible to ‘engage in a wider discourse’ with the adherents of this mad cult? I’ve tried it and lived to tell the tale, but they can see no way but the way they are brain-washed (and I use that word advisedly) from the age of 8 or so onwards.
The Imams recognise this, which is why they attack all things western. Dubai, Qatar, Abu Dhabi – those states most exposed to western culture, are awash with kids wearing traditional dress – and baseball caps worn sidewards rather than tea-towels (oh, and trainers instead of sandals). The powers-that-be are attacking this style because, correctly, they see it as the thin end of the wedge.
Ridiculing their beliefs in a sidewards manner, as I felt this joke did, is one way of undermining their insidious impact on western life. Remember, women (and their views) count as nothing in their culture, so giving voice to them, even if only theoretically and humerously, has a far greater impact than, say, a blonde joke.
Humour works on many levels and has always been greatly feared by ruling elites. It also has the power to change things – see anything by Hogarth.
If you preclude the sharp barb of humour, I fear you play into the hands of the PC brigade and those grey, faceless ones who take everything so seriously and try to analyse any and every comment, the humourless ‘wimmin’ who see a mad rapist behind every compliment man might pay to a woman. And if you expect Farage to post to a site with no humour, forget it – the man ridicules the EU and its parliament at every chance, he knows the power of an aside, a jocular comment.
Long live Benny Hill (yes, we still have his repeats down here in whats left of the free world – Queensland)
Link posted by ‘Archie’ at the Speccie but worth posting here. The author Mark Pritchard has resigned as Deputy Chairman of the Conservative Party International Office.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/9126093/David-Camerons-weakness-on-Europe-forced-me-to-resign-from-Conservative-Party-job.html
Richard of Christchurch, thanks for that clarification about Noel Gallagher. My original observation was more about Blair’s desire to be seen as “cool” and to hobnob with pop celebs than about the pop celebs themselves. The fatuousness of this “performance” is confirmed by Gallagher’s ultimate judgement of him. If Blair had followed a path to become a pop star I suspect he would have turned into a Bono type, using his celebrity status to muscle into politics as a interventionist for good causes.
I don’t expect to engage with Muslims on this site, but I do want to engage with serious, concerned citizens who are hoping to find a way forward. I don’t think that certain types of language and humour facilitate that. On the contrary it plays up to a certain image and reputation which is not the best means of achieving our goal.
I haven’t said there should be no humour, and I find it a little tedious it is suggested that anyone who disagrees with a position is either PC or supporting PC. But I do think it reasonable to state that serious politicians will avoid blogs that allow certain terms, and certain forms of humour.
“If you preclude the sharp barb of humour . . . ”
But I didn’t find it that funny. Strange that, I know, that a witticism about suicide bombers should not me make me roll on the floor in hysterics. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that I have been up close and personal to the effects of high explosive on the human body.
I’m also mindful of the fact that there have been many muslim victims of suicide bombers too. And muslim critics of the practice. So the joke becomes more blunt instrument than foil. I suspect the subtlety about the position of women in Islam would be lost on most leftists anyway. They have a blind spot to that, you see.
I corresponded with Pritchard when Cameron tried to silence him over circus animals. I thought he seemed a good guy. It would be interesting if the Spectator interviewed him, though I am not expecting that they will.
So-o; J.K. Rowling has ‘fallen off’ the rich list? – – – That must’ve been one helluva donation to Liebour.
Frank P, March 8th, 2012 – 02:30
Don’t hold your breath. Ann Barnhardt ran a video on her website (in April 2011) by someone calling himself “the ticker guy.”(aka Karl Denniger) This guy does a detailed demolition job on the “certificate” in just 10 minutes. It’s conclusive, but did anyone take any notice?
Ann’s archives are not online, but the video she ran is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydiyy0T_5iM
PS. I saw the match on TV last night. Messi & Barca appear to be in a league of their own.
Here was Karl’s original post:
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=185094
Good to know that someone has finally taken notice!
Objection!
Nicholas writes “You think this site should be all about anti-Muslim jokes”.
No, nobody thinks the site should be all about anti-Muslim jokes. Where did you get that idea from? A typical gross exaggeration of someone who has caught a dose of PC.
How many anti-muslim jokes have there been on this site since it opened…number please? You don’t find it funny? You write eloquent anti-leftwing analysis, but the one thing strikingly absent from all your posts is a sense of humour. The fact that you didn’t laugh is not, I hope, to be the touchstone of what jokes may not be posted here.What else will be forbidden? As you put it last week: “…and so it starts”.
Peter from Maidstone
I am sure that we really don’t need a schoolmaster to keep all us unreformed reprobates in order, though all credit and thanks to you for setting up the site. It is not however a line of credit on which one can expect to draw for ever. Is our raison d’etre and ambition REALLY to attract “serious politicians” to our site?! I thought we we were getting together to talk and laugh because things were made too difficult for us by the po-faced at the old Wall…
To both of you:
Sir Toby: … Art any more than a steward? Dost thou think, because thou art virtuous, there shall be no more cakes and ale?
Clown: Yes, by Saint Anne; and ginger shall be hot i’ the mouth too.
Malfleur, no, I don’t think this site has been established just to be an easier place to post than the Spectator Wall. The Spectator Wall collapsed because there was no discipline or moderation and the software sucked.
I do think this site has a purpose, and that that purpose must be paramount. There is plenty of room for humour, but not all humour. There is plenty of scope for free expression, but not all expressions. I do not want to die without having tried my hardest to reverse the tide. That requires some focus, and some aims and objectives, and some action. I don’t want to just ‘talk and laugh’. Indeed I don’t find many things in the news very funny at the moment.
If you don’t want to post here because there will be limits then you don’t have to, though I am not suggesting that you should not. I don’t think the limits are very extensive. It is again tedious that any suggestion that there should be restraint is described as PC. It is not.
Peter from Maidstone
Please supply your list of matters on which we should exercise restraint.
I don’t want comments which could reasonably be considered racist about individuals. Criticise their opinions and actions. I don’t want any incitement to violence. I don’t think that easy and lazy generalisations about entire groups of people are intelligent. I don’t like jokes about situations that are actually causing personal harm to people I know. I don’t like the c-word at all. I’d rather the f-word was only used when an Englishman might think it really necessary.
I don’t think that is too much to ask.
If people visit the site and find intelligent and thought-provoking comment I would be very pleased. If people visit the site and find ideas and inspiration to help reverse the tide then I would be even more pleased.
Behold, the ultimate outrage. I doubt whether even Verity saw this coming in advance.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6453165.stm
H/T Austin Barry
Perhaps Cameron or his wife had read this:
http://www.truemirror.com/theory01.asp
It will make sense to some, I fear.
David M. (EC)
March 8th, 2012 – 10:08
Thanks for those two links; the first froze my PC for ten minutes (I had to crash out and reboot) the second is really interesting; as with the commentary thereafter. Regardless of the truth about O’Bastard’s antecedents, they are now probably irretrievable behind the wall of obfuscation that has been erected.
Clearly the the MSM is now in the tank and toothless. But that’s not news hereabouts is it?
Now then you lot, let’s be ‘avin’ yer. No more effing and blinding, and for f**k sake why do people say moderate when they mean censorship? is calling a spade a bloody shovel so distasteful
If i meant censorship I would use the word censorship. If you don’t know the difference between moderation and censorship then you should expect your posts to be moderated.
If you want to say whatever you want, however you want to, then start your own blog. If you are willing to moderate your language then you are welcome to post here. You don’t have the right to say whatever you want, however you want to, on someone else’s website. Raising questions of censorship is entirely bogus.
Frank P @13:25
Your PC had obviously had a “Hard Day’s Night?”
Here is Karl’s final YouTube video on the subject – wot he posted himself,
Better luck with this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85yVkL94_BU
One of the joys of Thursday evenings is to pour a large drink, keeping the bottle on standby, remove the dog from within kicking distance, and settle down to watch Question Time.
What will be this week’s most inane leftie orthodoxy to be greeted with enthusiastic applause and yelps of masturbatory pleasure; which panelist will the smug Dimbleby ambush with a previously inconsistent statement; which elderly, well-dressed audience member will make a sensible point to murmers of execration from his fascist-detecting neighbours, and which panelist will make a remark of such self-evident, discomforting honesty that the audience will growl with sullen resentment?
I see that gay pop-singer Will Young is on tonight’s panel. Which will mean no doubt a fairly anodyne debate on the issue of gay marriage (“Why shouldn’t you marry someone you love” – cue frenzied applause) while the eye-watering and dangerous mechanics of gay love take a back-seat.
Malfleur writes:- “Nicholas writes “You think this site should be all about anti-Muslim jokes”. No, nobody thinks the site should be all about anti-Muslim jokes. Where did you get that idea from? A typical gross exaggeration of someone who has caught a dose of PC.”
What I actually wrote was this:-
“You think this site should be all about anti-Muslim jokes and that will “fight back” against PC?”
Note the question mark – rhetorical. And it was in specific response to a suggestion that such mockery is a good way of fighting back against PC.
Lifting partial meaning from a post and then playing it back out of context to support an attack is a leftist troll trick.
I never envisaged that freedom of speech on this site was going to be exploited by some people to indulge in crude racial stereotyping and abuse and I’m sure Peter didn’t. If they really think that is “fighting back” or exercising any kind of freedom beyond being obnoxious they are sadly mistaken. It will merely play right into the hands of the prevailing left.
Andy Car Park, Speaking of tonsorial topiary – has anybody ever seen Tony and Herman in the same room at the same time? They have the same eyes – SPOOKY!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Herman_Van_Rompuy_at_the_37th_G8_Summit_in_Deauville_030.jpg
Never mind Van Pompuy’s eyes, he has no lips. He also resembles the Grinch’s grandad.
Nicholas – “If Blair had followed a path to become a pop star I suspect he would have turned into a Bono type, using his celebrity status to muscle into politics as a interventionist for good causes.”
You are exactly right. He would have been, on a superficial level, more unbearable as a rock star than as a prime minister.
Andy Carpark 11:54. You are correct. I did not foresee that Dave Blancmange would change his part. With a face that unappealing, I wonder what benefit he thought he was according himself.
Malfleur
March 8th, 2012 – 02:13
To you and Clear Memories
On Mockery
I suspect too much ringing of hands and passing off with tomfoolery the serious concerns about political correctness
Unfortunately, political correctness has not been stopped or even significantly slowed by all the mockery levelled against it. In the same way that 95% of the population can identify obscenity when they see it, so 95% can identify political correctness when they see it. And yet partisans of the left continue to claim it does not exist, or is only a meaningless phantasm and bogeyman used by their partisan rivals to keep them down. Worse, they have continued to create actual laws that punish people for transgressing rules of political correctness.
Mockery hasn’t stopped the most egregious forms of political correctness, for instance hate speech codes, catch 22 style sexual harassment rules, divorce laws that disproportionally punish men, or the international passage of new hate-crime laws that create two tiers of law, one that levies the traditional punishments, and the second that punishes criminals who offend against those groups who are under the protection of hate speech laws. Beat up a white mother of four and you get one punishment. Beat up a homosexual man and you get extra punishment because it was a hate crime. Hate crimes are Orwellian “thoughtcrimes.”
It is noted that this type of law has established an apartheid system in America, where some people (typically minorities) are protected by the same laws that explicitly do not protect others (typically the majority). This is precisely how apartheid laws were formulated that punished the South African black majority for doing things that were not illegal if done by minority whites.
While the left claims political correctness doesn’t exist it has infiltrated into the law. Rather than fighting political correctness as the death of freedom it is, we have been mocking its proponents for being stupid, dirty hippies. Unfortunately, the dirty hippies and their communist mentors have taken over the government, the universities, the legal profession, journalism, movies, and television.
There is still a fight. Once we recognize the nature and size of the threat, we must deal with anything politically correct as we would deal with poison. Flush it out, clean it up, cure it, strike every trace of it out of the law, and seal the law against ever again being penetrated by the evil of political correctness
Where IS Daniel Korski? He has not graced the online Spectator with his lunatic fantasies since 9 February. Perhaps he has gone to ground in order to compose some ‘Security Council Resolutions’ with the help of his co-religionists, E L Wisty and Spotty Muldoon.
Try googling ‘Old Harrovian tie’. A stark naked woman should appear second from right under the hit ‘images’. She is sitting at a piano and is rather comely.
Talking of von Rompuy and his resemblance to some kind of gnome… http://t.co/oElfPiOW
I see that well-known supporter of and advocate for the EU, Nick Clegg, has described the European Arrest Warrant (EAW) as “indispensable” for keeping us safe.
It did not keep safe the British man arrested for a crime which occurred in Portugal and for which he had already been acquitted in a Portuguese court 18 years ago. The first charge was for attempted murder, the current charge is for murder in the third degree, even though there is doubt that the victim is even dead.
Remember “double jeopardy” which New Labour worked so hard to get rid of? Remember one year and a day for death following an assault? As is to be expected our wonderful press (with the exception of the Daily Mail which doesn’t count) has not expressed any outrage at Nick Clegg’s utterance or challenged him about it. No-one has asked him “Why?”.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2111879/Briton-faces-sent-prison-Portugal.html
Andy Car Park
March 8th, 2012 – 17:12
Try googling ‘Old Harrovian tie’. A stark naked woman should appear second from right under the hit ‘images’. She is sitting at a piano and is rather comely.
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What a lovely lady. There is hope for the Tories yet, they could have chosen Stephen Fry as a pin up.
ellis000 writes at the Speccie:-
“Telemachus likes to pretend that he is a top-rate taxpaying working stiff but I notice he is nearly always first to post (another Billy Bowden or the same?. Obviously one of those taxpayer-funded labour trolls who seem to constantly inhabit right-wing blogs nowadays. Coffee House and The Daily Telegraph comments are now a forum for trots, lefties and the labour dregs leaving little room for us true-blue tories to express our views. They are also very vituperative to the point of abusive and I for one have had enough of them.”
Yep. That’s their plan. To shut down right-wing discourse completely or to disrupt it. And the Speccie thinks that’s a wonderful idea and gives them oxygen. Like we don’t have enough left-wing crap shoved down our throats 24/7 already.
You would be surprised how many of these trolls have tried to post here. Some seem to turn up just to be personally offensive about one poster here or another. And on the other hand I see that many of the trolls on the Spectator site seem obsessed with activities here and will use the Spectator site, where there seems to be no moderation, to be abusive about individuals here.
Testing
Hi Peter, there should have been an avatar associated with my email address in the previous “testing” post – but I guess the idiot’s guide I found to obtaining an avatar was too complicated for me.
Ah, it seems to have worked after a delay.
If I can do it, anyone can – so here is the site fyi: https://en.gravatar.com/
Peter from Maidstone, @18:36pm
It’s great to know that work here is “appreciated”! Why not start up a “Hate Mail” section and publish the trolls works? Not only would this give amusement to all concerned, but it would encourage those mentioned to redouble their efforts in combatting them at the Speccie, or wherever else they are to be found. (If you were to password protect the “Hate Mail” section then it would drive the trolls crazy!) Even better, why not publicly publish a left wing troll/totalitarian troll/useful idiot troll of the week prizes? Let us use this valuable resource, fight fire with fire!
Andy Car Park @17:12pm
Very nice too! However, I suppose that one should never judge by appearances, eh what…
I once saw a poster of a scantily clad girl leaning over a red Ferrari that read,
“No matter how hot she looks, someone, somewhere is tired of all her
c**per… tantrums.”also a variation on this was, “In the long run, the car is cheaper!”
Re moderation.
Well, I had intended to write and compliment Pete from Maidstone on his patience and intelligence. It seemed to me that he was particularly reserved when he decided to ignore the invitation to take the time to post a list of banned jokes or areas not to ridicule or somin.
On his own fricking site!
I am sure that most hosts would show someone the door who arrived and began requesting a criteria to remain.
Until I saw the ‘old/elderly’ comment!
Why the cheek of it!
I am WOUNDED, ANGRY and DISTURBED by this unwarranted verbal assault.
I don’t know who to call the first. The cops or my no win no fee lawyers.
‘Old/elderly’ am I Pete from Maidstone?
…somehow you’ll pay for that!
John Richardson 42 and 1/4
Question Time is in Guildford tonight!
How come that I wasn’t invited?
Oh, OK.
Good luck to Eric Pickles and anybody here attempting to watch it but I shall be time travelling tonight – reading a history book. (with no pictures!)
David M. (EC)
March 8th, 2012 – 20:01
Peter from Maidstone, @18:36pm
It’s great to know that work here is “appreciated”! Why not start up a “Hate Mail” section and publish the trolls works? Not only would this give amusement to all concerned, but it would encourage those mentioned to redouble their efforts in combatting them at the Speccie, or wherever else they are to be found. (If you were to password protect the “Hate Mail” section then it would drive the trolls crazy!) Even better, why not publicly publish a left wing troll/totalitarian troll/useful idiot troll of the week prizes? Let us use this valuable resource, fight fire with fire!
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David M. (EC)
Great idea, which I second. Should be fun for us and aggravating for them.
Lol! Well since I don’t ask anywhere for ages of posters I have to make assumptions from how people describe themsleves. I am myself 48 years old. I will grant that you are still reasonably young. I don’t think I suggested that everyone here was old or elderly, but I’d guess our average age is above 50?
Please do not call InjuryLawyers4U.
Hump.
Well I’m still incandescent with rage….
Look. I’ve been called the ‘n’ word on many occasions but ELDERLY!!
That just crosses a line. It crosses a line so it does……..
Leviathan … “It is noted that this type of law has established an apartheid system in America, where some people (typically minorities) are protected by the same laws that explicitly do not protect others (typically the majority).”
Can you name one such law, please? Either federal or state?
I have just been through all my posts….
I said older/elderly. That seems a reasonable description of us all, unless there are some very young participants. You may not be elderly, but I think I should be allowed to call you an older poster!!!!
Ah.
Oh yes.
Er…I do see that now. Well don’t I feel silly? Perhaps I did overreact a tad.
I thought you’d said ‘elderly’.
It’s me eyes. They ain’t what they were…
I’ll find the best way to manage exposing trolls.
One post today is directed towards our friend AWK1 and says…
Alan Bread: I’m very impressed how you could go from Cameron’s family tragedy to your usual fare of an attack on Muslims. To the casual observer you do seem a little unhinged.
Do we know Mr Bread? Has he turned up elsewhere?
If anyone to whom these messages are directed is offended by them then I will happily remove them. My intent is not at all to facilitate their abuse.
Interestingly, Alan Bread seems to be a rather foul mouthed poster on Guido Fawkes site in May 2010, and then appears to disappear. So I wonder if it is a name that is used by a trolling syndicate and has now been brought out of retirement. There seems to be no normal reason for Mr Bread to go from silence to abuse in one easy step. I can’t see that he has ever addressed AWK1 before, so why launch into abuse unless Alan is not who he pretends to be?
“I’ll find the best way to manage exposing trolls.
One post today is directed towards our friend AWK1 and says…
Alan Bread: I’m very impressed how you could go from Cameron’s family tragedy to your usual fare of an attack on Muslims. To the casual observer you do seem a little unhinged.
Do we know Mr Bread? Has he turned up elsewhere?
If anyone to whom these messages are directed is offended by them then I will happily remove them. My intent is not at all to facilitate their abuse.”
On the on hand I would like ‘Mr Bread’ to explain how years and years of needless publicity culminating in the hushed reverence of Parliament itself qualifies as a ‘family tragedy’ and not instead; a ‘public and political event’.
On the other hand there really is little point as a refusal to honestly debate the facts is what defines a troll (in part).
FWIW my advice would be not to show the troll posts at all. They get off on the fact that what they write is published and then they can read it and any reaction they provoke. Don’t give them that satisfaction. Much more frustrating for them and satisfying for us if they have no voice here full stop. The very fact that telemachus keeps obsessing over at the Speccie demonstrates how much he is bugged by this site and that he can’t post here.
P from M … I googled him. He’s on Facebook (of course), although I certainly didn’t go to his link.
I vote with Nicholas. What is the point? Trolls don’t even have novelty value as they all write from the same book. Just let them drop off like fleas from a scratching cat. The cat doesn’t remember the flea.
Yes I think I agree about trolls. Much better to not give them any oxygen at all.
Nicholas is right about not allowing trolls to post.
I was undecided as to my own personal view on this matter when this wall was created.
However, on reflection, the decision to actively separate the wheat from chaff was a very good decision.
There are loads of things here that I simply have not had time to read. I look forward to catching up. Nicholas writing on Empire being only one( I’m eating my almost cold meal typing this).
When was the last time anyone said that about ‘The Spectator’ site????
I am struggling to find anything of interest on the Spectator site. The blogs aren’t very interesting, and haven’t been for a while, and the comments have lost most of their value now that the best comments are made here.
I did ask the marketing person at the Spectator if they were interested in advertising on the site, but she has not even replied to my email.
I see that a last blog post went up about 3 1/2 hours ago on the Spectator site but there are still no comments. Is this because none are being made, or because none are being moderated? It does seem that not much effort is being made on the online presence?
Goodness?, gracious me, who is Mr Alan Bread? I think he needs toasting in front of a hot fire!
AWK, sounds a bit crusty to me. Perhaps no one’s ever buttered him up. Or perhaps they have, and he wants jam on it.
Peter from Maidstone
March 8th, 2012 – 21:58
“I see that a last blog post went up about 3 1/2 hours ago on the Spectator site but there are still no comments”
I say there were no comments. Now that’s both sad AND funny (like Cameron’s ‘Gay’ marriage speech).
Why put up a blog post without the facility to add comments as there is no moderation?
Losers.
I think moderation at the Spectator is subject to late lunches, early afternoons and the indulgent social life within the politico-media-celeb bubble that rules us. The Stockholm syndrome has melded those who should be held to account and those who should hold them to account into a too cosy “Blue Nun at Annabel’s” back-scratching bonhomie.
“I’ve arrived!” says the too young Editor as he explores his expense account, begins his round of BBC media whoring and begins rubbing shoulders with the wicked barons of the Westminster-Brussels elite. The last thing he wants to bother with is a bunch of old farts who have the audacity to remember how things were before he was born and to inconveniently remind him of it. We, the modern equivalent of disgruntled peasants, should really know our place, knuckle our foreheads and accept gracefully and respectfully the pearls of received wisdom, fashionable dogma and political reality gossip he deigns to caste amongst us. A graph here and there to illustrate some lofty pronouncement will serve to keep us in our place and remind us that we just don’t understand the complexities of life at Westminster, the soft sword cut and thrust of fat and happy career politicians as they play the eternal game and we bicker and fight over the distractions so guilefully trailed before us.
It is a little odd because I don’t think that the Spectator gets more posts than we generate here. Certainly not at present. The software here takes care of all spam, puts new posters into a moderation queue, and takes care of posts with links. I can also add any keywords I want to divert posts to the moderation queue. Yet most posts here go up straight away or after a short pause, since I get emailed all posts that need moderation to my smartphone.
I see that the self-regarding but rather obnoxious anti-monarchy Will Self earns enough to pay the 50p tax.
He isn’t worth it.
Verity 8th, – 22:17
Buttered up?
As in Marlon Brando in ‘Last Tango in Paris’?
There was a suggestion here the other day that it was the ambition of the Wall to persuade “serious politicians” to visit us, and thus we had to mind our Ps and Qs. I am not sure that I know the definition of a serious politician, but Nigel Farage was named. Generally though, I believe that, like Peter Hitchens, we unreformed reprobates have seen through the serious politicians and wish a plague on all their houses. While Mr. Farage appears to be one of the exceptions, his Party’s blog site however, http://bloggers4ukip.blogspot.com/, does not impress as a focus of intellectual vigour and political excitement. Can it be that UKIP members do not, or possibly (given recent reports on national literacy in the media) cannot read or write? One blog every two or three days goes up and the average number of comments they attract is zero. News that a woman has defected from the Green Party to run on the UKIP ticket in Bradford stimulated a flurry of four posts. (No strong words on immigration to be expected from that quarter during the campaign, I fear.) UKIP might therefore rather prefer us to visit their site to give it a blood transfusion, than to expect any of them to come across to the Wall, but since no one seems to be reading or, if reading, commenting, the journey would be wasted. Meanwhile, the site of the English Defence League, (an organization which provokes the dismay of that nice Mr. Nelson) which I thought to visit to compare with the lack of activity at UKIP, appears to be blocked thesde last two days on Google – at least in the jurisdiction where I am based – otherwise I might have tried to invite that natural leader of the working class, Tommy Robinson to pop in. Now there’s a serious politician for you.
Malfleur — I believe bloggers4ukip is not UKIP’s site, which is http://www.ukip.org . I don’t believe the aforementioned has any official connection, other than wishing UKIP well.
Verity
Ok, if that’s true, I apologize to UKIP.
One of our most distinguished commenters, in adducing reasons in justification of the removal from this thread of Clear Memories’ joke about suicide bombers, argued that he had seen the effects of bombs on human flesh and was not inclined to laugh.
I myself, by the same token, have seen the effects on stout party when, slipping on a banana peel, he falls to the pavement. It is not pleasant. There is nothing funny about it. Thus far I am in complete agreement with distinguished commenter…
Peter from Maidstone
March 8th, 2012 – 11:20
Minor point, but one can’t be ‘racist’ about a religion or belief system and whilst I see your point re stereotypes/generalisations of groups, there can surely be no disagreement that Muslims, as a whole, are as mad as a bucket of frogs? Further, as far as I am aware, no other belief system expects its adherents to uselessly lay down their lives on a point of religious disagreement.
And I do draw a line between laying down a life to protect other human life and destroying yourself in a futile attempt to defend the indefensible.
Whatever, its created a decent thread and drawn some interesting views and comments, perhaps helping in some small way to keep this fine site rolling.
‘has drawn’ or ‘drew’ before some pedant takes my English to task!!
Attended site of disturbance. All quiet on arrival. No cause for police action.
Melanie P rides roughshod over the first-past-the-post ‘winner’ of the last general election:
Nice piece – and I got a horselaugh out of it, anyway:
http://www.melaniephillips.com/an-empty-suit
Obviously no urchins with hot baked potatoes at Rebecca’s barbecue…
There is a revealing article by Fraser Nelson on the DT site discussing the mutual admiration society Dave and Barry have formed. Dave has such a low opinion of the Republican Party he will not be meeting any of its candidates when he travels to the U.S. Perhaps they remind him of his own truculent backbenchers.
Frank P @ 02.16
I hope you’re not going to nag.
The BBC website is running a story about Freemasons:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17272611
Why, one asks, when Common Purpose is all the rage these days.
Nicholas: “Richard of Christchurch, thanks for that clarification about Noel Gallagher. My original observation was more about Blair’s desire to be seen as “cool” and to hobnob with pop celebs than about the pop celebs themselves.”
Yes, sorry, I was just so shocked that a celeb had come to his senses that I thought I’d better share it.
I was undecided about Blair until that toe-curling, “staright kinda guy” nonsense, then I realised where I’d seen him before – Paul Keating, effeminate Australian snob, and Labor (sic) PM the “Lizard of Oz”.
An aside – what a pleasure it is to read a troll-free wall. Thank you all.
As for the contributions from the trolls, there could be a dedicated page for them or – if that costs money – P from M could simply post the trolls’ drivel on the Spectator site, on one of the lefty blog pages – Fraser Nelson seems happy with them.
Curnonsky March 9th, 2012-Of interest in the Fraser article is the reference to Taleb, whose main role has been to attack the Black-Scholes equation that arguably led to the 2008 financial meltdown. This feeds into Hilton/Cameron thinking in a big way. With Hilton gone and Talib in Oxford we will hear more of him.
There may conceivably be a couple of people (EC, AWK) who give a rat’s why I was googling ‘Old Harrovian tie’ yesterday. It was because that Syrian wallah who featured on the Spectator site, and had his hair parted on the right hand side, looked at first glance as if he might be wearing one (in order to complete the picture of general shiftiness, if you get m’drift). If he decides to seek asylum, he will probably ending up flogging motors in Great Portland Street, like a Patrick Hamilton anti-hero. Anyway, another day breaks …
Thanks for mentioning that DT article Curnonsky.
“It is no great secret that Cameron backed Obama in the last election, as did most of those around him.”
Very telling.
Frank P, March 9th, 2012 – 02:16
It’s the old, old story… A tired old workhorse takes badly after being sat on by an uncaring politician and then gets sent to the knackers.
A metaphor for our country perhaps.
RIP Boxer
Andy Car Park @09:32am
At least the Syrian chap is wearing a tie with the stripes in the proper, British, direction. I suppose it wouldn’t do for him to be seen wearing a tie with the ‘bastard’ stripes favored(sic) by emissaries from ‘The Great Satan.’
I think that Dave’s new tonsorial arrangement is a signal, and might be a homage to this chap’s hairdo:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100052469/in-a-crowded-field-edward-heath-was-our-worst-prime-minister/
I was otherwise occupied during the week in question (commencing 09.01.12) but have now stumbled upon what appears to be an attempt by Chris Huhne to use the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA) 2000 against George Watson, legal adviser to the European Platform Against Windfarms. Mr Watson was not best pleased when he found out. See here.
http://tallbloke.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/george_watson_s_letter_to_chris_huhne.png
The dust appears to have died down rather rapidly and one is left wondering how, if at all, things were patched up. Sorry to set a hare running and then shoot through again but if anyone at a loose end wants to dig further, I’d be interested to know more.
David M (EC) — Thanks for the link to Hannan. It boggles the brain that two weird inadequates like Heath and Brown were ever in charge of Britain.
I think, in a more arcane way, Blair makes up the trio with the intensity of his hissy ambition to hobnob with the American President and soccer players. None of the three appeared to be that connected to Britain’s governance and wellbeing.
David M. (EC)
March 8th, 2012 – 20:01
“Why not start up a “Hate Mail” section and publish the trolls works?”
Agree, but why not call it “The Comedy Section”?
Because trolls aren’t funny?
Andy Car Park @14:11
That George Watson letter (dated 03-Jan-@2012) that is displayed on Tallbloke’s blog follows quite close on the heels of another scandalous story that “we” covered on the old CH Wall last Christmas.
Tallbloke (aka Roger Tattersall) is the climate change sceptic and blogger whose home in Leeds was raided on 14-Dec-2011 by six officers from the Norfolk constabulary and the Metropolitan Police.
The story is covered in Tallbloke’s blog and by the BBC:
Here: http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2011/12/14/tallbloke-towers-raided-many-computers-taken/
Here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-16294420
Here: http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2011/12/21/breaking-news-norfolk-police-to-hand-over-climategate-inquiry/
Reading through the above, this UK police raid seems to have been prompted by a US DoJ warrant. It also transpires that the UK police have been investigating anyone who has put in FOI requests to the CRU at UEA.
The police, it would appear, are being used to intimidate AGW climate change sceptics or, indeed, anyone campaigning against or questioning the economic demerits and absurdities of windfarms. This points to a massive abuse of power in the attempt to cover up the AGW climate change scam and all its works.
Lesley C. (lescam) @15:42
Thanks, it was just an idea. It probably wouldn’t work here.
I accept Peter’s conclusion and, after all, he is the umpire and our opening batsman. (not quite sure if the cricket analogy works but you get my drift)
EC – Ta mucho. I guessed that it would not have escaped the radar. Will educate myself further over the w/e.
The Telegraph has a piece on islamic forced marriages written a Guardian writer called Riazat Butt. You couldn’t make it up.
Anyway, The Telegraph readership seems to be agreed that they’re agin it …
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/riazatbutt/100142679/how-fiction-could-save-british-girls-from-being-trapped-in-a-forced-marriage/
Many notes that the girls referred to are not what we understand as “British”.
I sent George Watson an email asking if he would wish to update folk as to the situation and/or outcome.
EC – Andy Carpark’s note to you, “Ta mucho” should elicit the response, “De nada, mate.”
PfM – Good call. I for one would welcome more discussion of civil liberties scandals. A few squalls on the Wall this week but outlook continues to be sunny.
Am I the only one up? It’s 11:44 a.m. here, meaning 5:44 p.m. in Britain. Are you all on the train, or on the road??
Anyway, here is an interesting, and apt, post on Chicago Boyz on “voluntary” charity organisations. I have a feeling it parallels Britain.
http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/28539.html
I’m always here. Presently finishing off some work on a client’s website. It’s been a busy day with this and that and I don’t like to clutter up the site with twitter type rubbish. I hope George Watson replies to my email as it seems quite a serious matter.
Verity
March 9th, 2012 – 17:46
As always you stimulate ferriting.
When thinking of charities Helen gives a link to a tract with some telling statements perhaps relevant.
This tickled.
“Resting everything on self-interest is relying on a very
incomplete theory of human nature. It reminds me of
debates with people who tried to argue that everything you do
logically has to come from self-interest or you wouldn’t do it.
That position is irrefutable, and ultimately nonsense, since even
if you did things that weren’t in your self-interest, they would
still say that it was in your self-interest or you wouldn’t do it.”
And on to the nature of enterprise itself:-
“If you think about it, the time in our lives when we’re probably
the most self-interested is when we’re young and emotionally immature.
As we mature and we grow, we become more capable
of empathy and compassion and love and a fuller range of human
emotions. People do things for lots of reasons. A false dichotomy
is often set up between self-interest, or selfishness, and altruism.
To me it is a false dichotomy, because we’re obviously both. We
are self-interested, but we’re not just self-interested. We also care
about other people. We usually care a great deal about the wellbeing
of our families. We usually care about our communities
and the larger society that we live in. We can also care about the
well-being of animals and our larger environment. We have ideals
that motivate us to try to make the world a better place. By
a strict definition, they would seem to contradict self-interest,
unless you get back into the circular argument that everything
you care about and want to do is self-interest.
So I don’t think self-interest is enough. I don’t think calling
every act self-interested is a good theory of human nature. I think
that capitalism and business should fully reflect the complexity of
human nature. I also think it does great damage to the “brands” of
business and capitalism, because it allows the enemies of capitalism
and business to portray them as selfish and greedy and exploitative.
This is patently not true for capitalism and business are
the greatest forces for good in the world. It’s been that way for at
least the last three hundred years . . . and they don’t get sufficient
credit for the amazing value that they have created.”
AND THEY DON’T GET SUFFICIENT CREDIT FOR THE AMAZING VALUE THAT THEY HAVE CREATED
A FITTING MESSAGE FOR OUR CYNICAL WELFARE DOMINATED WORLD
aparcamiento útil @17:04
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Verity, March 9th, 2012 – 14:41
Heath’s obsession with greasing round DeGaulle’s in order to be let into the common market undoubtedly cost the UK £Billions. It also cost the UK its influence, goodwill and good relations with Australia, New Zealand and the rest of the Commonwealth. Despite all the protestations to contrary by the europhiles, the UK ultimately also lost its sovereignty – via the back door (in more ways than one!)
I didn’t realise at the time what an act of treachery he committed.
I note that there are only 80 comments on the Spectator site on todays blogs. For a national, even international, publication that seems very thin.
I also notice that UrallPigs has turned up again, just as Telemachus/Patriccia disappears.
What’s happening with the comments? A couple of fairly anodyne comments I posted haven’t gone up.
No comments here…
Just a post from telemachus which is using the same IP address as another poster. In fact the IP trail points to telemachus using about 5 or 6 names here.
What’s happened to the couple of comments I sent in about two hours ago?
There is a post from you at 8:14pm? There are no posts from you in the moderation queue. A couple at 5:41 and 5:46.
P from M … I sent one in … not political … more sociological … about jeans being possibly one of the most universally accepted inventions in the history of the world. I’d written a bit more about it. And it never went up.
If it isn’t in the queue or visble then the site didn’t get it. There is no auto-deletion of posts.
Your post about jeans is on the site… Freedom of Speech 8:14
Thanks, P from M. Only two threads to choose from and I posted it on the wrong one.
Verity: Re your post about inventions that have caught on everywhere: The Bicycle.
Frank Sutton 9th, – 23:37
“The Bicycle.”
As used by the oldest profession in the world?
Ostrich (occasionally)
March 9th, 2012 – 23:44: What, district nurses?
I feared this might happen.
Mark Steyn had made the front cover of the Spectator in Australia, yet not a mention in the London edition:
http://www.steynonline.com/4860/the-proud-infidel
Indicative of the cowardice of Old Queen’s Street?
Frank P @ 01.18
A telling heads up – thanks!
May be, for the serious politicians who read the UK Spectator, Steyn made too many jokes.
*****
For those who like to have some homework set for the weekend, please study the following:
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2H-a_dobzM
2. http://frontpagemag.com/2012/03/09/barack-obamas-first-jeremiah-wright/
3. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/revealed-the-radical-racial-ideas-of-the-prof-obama-raves-about-in-new-harvard-video/
Further source material for those who want to refresh their knowledge or go deeper into the subject matter can be found at:
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1511
The following is the topic for this week’s essay, to be handed in by this time next week:
“Critical Race Theory is a model of distorted reason adopted and amended to provide the ideology for the alliance of the radical left and islamic supremacists.”
Discuss
(Essayists are free to develop their ideas as they see fit – but no jokes please.)
David M (EC)
Historical perspective on the AGW/Carbon scam from Watts:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/09/a-view-of-climate-on-the-ground-from-a-reporter-who-was-there-at-the-beginning/
and a whimsical update on its current form from Delingpole:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100142400/wind-farms-even-worse-than-we-thought/
(to cite just two recent straws in the wind to add to the chronicle of evil we have adduced over the post few years).
The biggest fraud ever perpetrated on the largest number of taxpayers – world wide – ever! It has been exposed, comprehensively, yet not only is nothing done to bring the perpetraitors (sic) to book, but the scam widens and becomes more
complex and sophisticated by the minute. Moreover it is a joint enterprise by totalitarian ideologues on the one hand and opportunist entrepreneurs, including government ministers – even the family of the Prime Minister on the other. Fortunes are being made by insider traders. And there is no judicial body, nor law enforcement authority with the will, the resources or the investigative skills to garner the evidence which is staring them in the face? The future prosperity of Western civilisation is being destroyed by Leftist subversives and the process involved is making personal fortunes for a comparatively small cabal who are ‘in the know’.
And useful idiots propagate the green lie with the zeal of religious maniacs as they fart in the face of the laws of thermodynamics and physics.
To the useful idiots: “It’s the Sun wots doing it – you stupid bastards!”
To the greedy scamsters: “Your own children will be the victims of this egregious conspiracy, because eventually the money you are salting away will be worthless, as civilisation crumbles and the Islamists inherit the scorched earth”.
Madness!
Frank Sutton … With respect, I don’t agree about the bicycle. Once the wheel was invented, it was inevitable, as was the rickshaw, as was he tricyle, as was four wheels connected by axel thingies with seats in the middle. And, as they made life simpler for everyone, of course they are still around.
I am describing the unexpected and long-lived popularity of things that were invented independently, with modest aims, and became part of the landscape of the world. You can buy a Coke anywhere.
Why are Coke and jeans so long-lived? Why are they so special that they have spanned generations while not having any unique qualities? Jeans are just articles of attire. Why have they been so overwhelmingly popular for 150 years. Nothing changes quicker than fashion, yet everyone is still wearing jeans.
Why did Coke become the standard soft drink world wide?
There will be things I haven’t thought of that have had similar longevity for no apparent reason.
Austin Barry March 5th @ 10.07
The New English Review is a very interesting periodical and has some worthwhile articles this month; I note for instance the interview (including video) with Paul Weston, Chairman of the British Freedom Party which I had not heard of before, and Emmet Scott’s article on Charlemagne and Mohammed.
Its elegantly presented blog at http://www.newenglishreview.org/The_Iconoclast/ seems, like bloggers4UKIP, to be unfortunately lacking in comment so far and at present at least overwhelmingly single-issue – albeit an issue which is of concern to us here.
Thanks for drawing the site to our attention – the main part of the magazine alone offers plenty of red meat. http://www.newenglishreview.org/
Austin Barry
Incidentally, following your direction I read Theodore Dalrymple’s current piece on the New English Review site and followed his reference to this from Dylan Thomas:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIoXV-HXobo
As TD generously says, “Fifty-eight years after his death, his frequently disgraceful behaviour seems a small thing to set against the achievement”.
Frank P, March 10th, 2012 – 00:50
“I feared this might happen.”
What?
Verity
March 10th, 2012 – 03:46
Perhaps to answer your own question re Coca Cola, I suggest you read Mark Thomas’ book on the subject/Company.
Even as one ferevently opposed to his politics, nevertheless, I can recognise a brilliant expose demonstrating why capitalism ends up with such a bad press.
Frankly, the production of blue jeans in eastern sweatshops follows the same pattern and I rather suspect you weren’t intending your proposed thread to end up as a monologue on all that was/is wrong with industrialisation.
The success of a product or brand can accurately be measured by the shortest distance one has to travel before one encounters a discarded container or wrapper. eg. in some of the remoter parts of the UK the distance is less than about 100ft before one sees an empty Walkers Crisps packet. Globally, Coca Cola is self evidently the most popular product in this respect.
Dear Peter
Are we not truly f****d? Or what shll we do to protect ourselves?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0hKEd6rzbeg#!
Clear Memories (11:58)
A ballsy lass indeed; she makes me feel utterly impotent rather than just old and spent – once part of the ‘forces of law and order’ that now allow this inexorable attack on our country and our culture, while classifying any justifiable angry objection by the indigenous as ‘hate crime’. You are quite right, we are well and truly cattled. But we deserve it – while she confronts the deluded and alien zealots on the streets, we haggle over how we should politely conduct our conversations on the intertubes.
After watching the chronicle of cultural decline into stupidity and depravity on the BBC agitprop segment from 10.30pm last Thursday to 12.30am on Friday, I finally gave up all hope of reversing the destruction of England. I am now beginning to suspect that nobody under the age of 50 knows what it is that has been destroyed – irretrievably it would appear.
Clear Memories (11:58)
That is the most chilling and depressing video I’ve seen in months – and I’ve seen a few. You escaped, to the Gold Coast, didn’t you? If I were you I wouldn’t plan on coming back! I’ve urged all my children to emigrate. The eldest got his visa through a couple of weeks ago.
Verity
What is this intense interest you have in blue jeans?
Clear Memories
Your link could not be a more powerful argument for rooting out these islamic supremacists from our society. Unfortunately, even on this blog, we have people arguing that we cannot even make fun of these maniacs.
It is as if in the 1950s and 1960s our political class had invited hundreds of thousands of fervent Russian communists to come and settle in the country and had then “kept mum” about what they were getting up to.
I think we need to link the uncommitted radical middle class to UKIP (a growing sector of the political spectrum) and to the workers’ English Defence League.
Let’s shake up the political scene a bit. Desperate times, call for desperate measures.
In the meantime, the liberal left should be held to account for the ideological virus that they have introduced into our midst and for their political alliance with it born out of opportunism and self-interest.
Unfortunately, this is the “truth which dare not speak its name” de nos jours…
But we have no Opposition.
Where is Her Majesty’s Opposition….?
I’ve just come back from watching my 12 yo son playing football. All the crowd were normal, polite, friendly people. The battle has certainly not been lost, it has hardly begun. Why should I leave my own country? My family have lived here for 1000 years at least. Why should I encourage my children to leave their own country? Countless thousands of ancestors are buried here.
The reason why it is entirely appropriate to set boundaries for discourse here and everywhere is that an impotent rage is what our enemies hope that we will allow ourself to indulge in. I don’t want to. I want to be part of the reversal of the tide. I want to think about what can be done, and what should be done, and who will stand with me, and who I can stand alongside. I don’t want to just complain about how awful things are. The enemy are more than happy with people just complaining. What is required is action, and actions speak louder than words, and especially louder than self-indulgent vulgarity.
Its not over yet, not by a long chalk. And if we run, where do we run to? And how long before that falls under the same malaevolent agenda? We stand and we fight.
Malfleur,
“Unfortunately, even on this blog, we have people arguing that we cannot even make fun of these maniacs.”
Well here, for the sake of ‘balance’, is Billy Connolly to do it for us:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xwPVgRaROA
Sometimes I struggle to find some of Billy’s routines funny, but this one is really funny.
Malfleur, you think that making fun of ‘these maniacs’ achieves anything at all? Really?
As far as I can see it has achieved nothing, and will achieve nothing. If you don’t want to post here then don’t. If you do then please accept with better grace than you are doing the limits I wish to operate on my own blog.
Have you done anything to seek to actually turn back the tide? Why not think of something useful that you could do, rather than just keep sniping. No one is keeping mum about the problem at all, far from it, so why suggest that is the case? There is no reason for you to expect to say whatever you want, however you want to, on someone else’s blog. If you want to post jokes without restraint then you need to find another blog.
Peter from Maidstone
You think that making fun of tyrants and oppressors achieves nothing? Why do tyrants and oppressors suppress humorous criticism of their pretensions?
I find it interesting that you you have come out to claim that this is your blog.
Yes, you set it up.
Yes, you run it and spend great effort and time in doing so.
I have to remind you however of something that you seem to have all too quickly forgotten, namely that you kindly offered to set up this site for the renegades on the old Spectator Wall (“we are all in this together”). That is to say, you kindly volunteered to establish a site on which we are able to say the things that were being denied to us on the old Wall.
I might go further and ask you what YOU have achieved, without humour, but since you were recently saying that you hoped to achieve something before you dies I infer that the answer is also zero – so far.
We do not expect to change the world by posting on a blog. Perhaps you do. Where you overstep the limit is when you begin, as you have done over the last few days, to impose your views on the site over and above what is reasonable for your own protection in face of libel laws.
You have your own site at Conservative Voices. No one is preventing you from saying what you think there and running it as you choose.
The deal here was different.
Do you want to change the deal unilaterally?
“If you don’t want to post here then don’t” – a disgraceful repetition of your earlier threat. I write about ideas; try to address them.
After me, who is next? Naughty Niece?
Sooooo…. a joke which is considered tasteless is removed, and suddenly it is about any humour at all? You seem unwilling to restrict yourself to what has actually been said or done. How was the joke I removed about tyrants and oppressors?
This is my blog, and it will always be my blog, because the police will come knocking on my door, not yours. There is no special deal here. This is indeed a place where the majority of posters don’t seem to have a problem. But it is my blog because I am responsible for it and will be held responsible for it.
I thought and think the one joke I removed was in bad taste. If I think other posts are in bad taste I will also remove or moderate them. Do you wish to go through all the other posts I have chosen not to allow and double guess my decision? If that is a problem for you then you don’t have to put up with such an oppressive regime.
I’ll say it again, and it is not disgraceful, you have no right to post here, although I am happy that you choose to. Therefore if you do not like the fact that occasionally some posts will be moderated you do not have to post here. I will not be bullied by you.
You are not free to say the things which were denied you on the Wall, as if that gave you some sort of carte blanche. You are free to say many of the things that you might have wanted to post on the Wall. There is a difference. There is no deal and no contract, just an opportunity to post within the very loose constraints which will be applied here.
“Unfortunately, even on this blog, we have people arguing that we cannot even make fun of these maniacs.”
Don’t worry, I won’t be arguing that any more. I’ve been thinking about it for a few days now and it’s bad enough having one’s words twisted and putting up with the constant misrepresentation and sniping at the Speccie, without finding it here too. In fact I’m beginning to think that the sudden onset of arguing a “right” to indulge in crude racial and religious abuse might be just another tactic to subvert the site.
Either that or unbelievably fucking stupid (to quote the “funny” Billy Connolly).
I’m listening to “Any Questions” with Jonathan Dimbleby on Radio 4. One woman really left me feeling dismayed. The issue was about the tragic death of 6 soldiers, and whether Britain should be there in Afghanistan. The woman asked whether they should perhaps be there for ‘ethical’ reasons rather than purely military. She was concerned that the Afghanistan girls get schooling, western values, etc. etc. Charming! Perhaps she should be worried and concerned about schoolgirls (and boys too) here. Sex education forced on the young, including infants, and morning-after abortion pills without parental knowledge. Same-sex partnerships actively encouraged and conventional life styles pushed aside. No respect for established religion, but falling over backwards to accomodate moslems. Afghanistan was never ever a western-style democracy,just let them get along with their own culture, the same for Pakistan, and we should tighten our borders and keep the barbaruan hordes out.
Clear Memories 8:22 – Good grief! The universality of Coke was a suggestion for a light-hearted, engaging conversation. The suggestion that I read a book about it is pedantic, to say the least. In addition to which, if a subject genuinely engages me, I read about it. That I have never even read an article about Coke may demonstrate my level of interest. In addition to which, it is the reaction of the millions of consumers I was interested in (not Coca-Cola).
Re jeans, I was discussing them from the phenomenal popularity they have enjoyed for 150 years, not from the manufacturing point of view, as should have been obvious.
And as you brought up sweatshops, I cetainly concede that thos in China are horrifying, but the ones in Indonesia, which the the country that gets the worst press from all those interfering lefty organisations, they are not sweatshops.
They’re small factories and some of the people working there are the first people in their family EVER to have had a job. They queue for days for those days for those jobs, with family members holding the place in the queue. The family of the young adolescent who gets the job think they have won life’s jackpot.
These places in Indonesia have ceiling fans, they provide lunch and there is usually a nurse or a doctor who visits once a week and gives FREE treatment (which the company pays for). The alternative is crawling around on those huges heaps of gabage, steaming and foetid with decay and the tropical sun, looking for a coin or an unused match that they can sell.
That young person’s wages will mean another sibling can go to school. I have lived in Indonesia and you haven’t, so please don’t come back to me with an argument.
Malfleur – surely no “deal” was done between PFM and renegade Wallsters (Wallflowers?!). Peter has used his expertise – and I’d guess quite a lot of time and work – in creating this new wall, so in a very practical sense it is “his” site and he can make such rules as he likes.
As far as I can see, all he is calling for is simple courtesy. I see it as a a bit like a will run pub – no topic is barred, but bad manners are.
Malfleur – On the other hand, thanks for the pointer to The New English Review.
David M (EC) … Thanks for the Billy Connolly link! On my first cup of tea and cheeks wet with tears of laugher. Great way to start the day! Thanks!
What AWK said above. In particular, “Afghanistan was never ever a western-style democracy,just let them get along with their own culture, the same for Pakistan, and we should tighten our borders and keep the barbaruan hordes out.”
I would add that all the extra “wives” currently in Britain, whether on welfare or not, should be shovelled out with their children … tough, but those are the breaks … as should every family on any form of benefits. Out. Bigamy is illegal, so they are criminals. A cattle boat to France should be able to take a couple of thousand of them per trip and we should be free of them within a month. They will, of course, have been forced to give a sample of theiir DNA and a retinal photograph before cast-off.
Henceforth every islamic coming to Britain should be required to have a drop of blood drawn for a DNA sample to make sure they can’t get back in. (And Immigration counters should be manned by indigenous British.)
We need a grand clearance of these non-contributing Stone Agers.
AWK
“I’m listening to Any Questions …”
In future, when you get these irresistible urges, put on your walking shoes and have a stroll to the park. Much better for your hypertension readings. 🙂
Or be like Peter and go see the schoolboys’ football matches, perhaps? On second thoughts – no! Belay that: the last few times I watched one of my grandsons play for a Thames Valley team, hyper-aspirational fathers from the ‘English Silicone Valley’, in attempting to bully their boys into becoming the highly paid soccer stars that they had failed to become themselves, were screaming and yelling at their sons, each other – and the referee in language that would have made a Billingsgate fishwife proud. On the last occasion the ref. had to run for his life because he had blown for offside when one proud father was convinced his son was ‘on’ and was threatening to ‘put one on’ the referee and do other unspeakable things to him with his own whistle which (to return to the BBC QT/AQ genre), Will Self and Will Young want to be encompassed within ‘marriage’ – whatever that has come to mean for the current nubile generation.
I am fortunate that my son plays for a Friendly League which is competitive but lacks most of the aggression associated with children’s football. So there is encouragement but no parental violence at all. Indeed one opposing parent today shouted out and used ‘bloody’ and the ref stopped the game and spoke to him. We switched to this league a few years ago because it played Saturday rather than Sunday morning which clashes with the Liturgy. I do enjoy being out in the country cheering my son on. He scored the winning goal today.
Congratulations, P from M!
EC
Given this morning’s exchanges here, perhaps you now understand my comment at 00:50. My nose for burgeoning aggro kept me safe for decades in my role as a Queen’s ‘Peace Keeper’.
Btw, on the subject of the pub analogy, in the pub I owned for a spell (in one of my post-career attempts to set up a family business); when somebody told a joke (crude or otherwise), those who thought it was funny laughed, while those who were not amused usually took the opportunity to go to the head for a Nelson Riddle. I have to say that the latter category were also usually trying to avoid buying their round, a double whammy.
Thanks for the Connolly link; outrageous! (and v. funny, I confess). If you watch it again, you’ll probably suspect what I did; he was twitching his nose and rubbing his eyes in a way that convinced me that he geed himself up for that skit by doing a little hokey-cokey. That may be an injustice, but that boy had a troubled childhood. I guess he needed a bawdy s.o.h. to survive. But the tenor of his remarks, given recent revelations and events, albeit bawdily expressed, seem entirely justified. It’s the way ya tell ‘um! (RIP Frank Carson).
Verity (15;18)
Stop takin’ the wee wee, you wicked wumman! 🙂
Clear Memories
That video should be shown to everyone in the UK.
They don’t recognise UK Law only some “Muslim Law”? What arrogance these people have.
“All non-Muslims should burn in hell”. In the interests of site decorum I shall refrain from comment.
I concur with Malfleur and Frank: do something now or let’s just go meekly to slaughter.
Verity
I realise that I am being pedantic but I am fairly certain it is in fact “wummin”!
Muslims – deport. No point, Redneck, in showing “this video to everyone in the UK” because the UK citizenry, the ancient owners of the land, have absolutely no say. If someone started a petition seeking voters’ signatures for all islamics to be deported, that person would be arrested. If someone wrote to their MP, as I am sure many hundreds do, they will receive an anodyne answer so the MP can’t be charged with (illiterate) “racial hatred” … islam not being genetic, of course.
I think the left have triumphed in Britain. They believe they are using islam as a weapon to further their own interests. Whoah! Are they in for a surprise!
Verity
March 10th, 2012 – 14:50
Verity, a very good idea. Of course, the wobbly milk puddng or nobody else here has the guts to instigate this.’Uman Rights, dontcha know!
Frank P
March 10th, 2012 – 14:50
Sports have changed since I was a child. The fathers lurking around the football field look and act distinctly feral. Perhaps they are talent scouts 🙂
Wish I had Melanie’s ability to put the boot in without using any obscene words (other than ‘Iran’, ‘Hezbollah’ and ‘Hamas’, which she can’t avoid in the interests of clarity and definition):
This article illustrates what we have all been trying to articulate, perhaps?
http://www.melaniephillips.com/iran-and-britains-dislocation-from-reality
Wonderful! Now I must pop over and listen to the prattling of her adversaries on the Moral Maze.
Frank Sutton 10th, – 14:23
“I see it as a a bit like a well run pub – no topic is barred, but bad manners are.”
Admirer: “I wish I’d said that.”
Oscar Wilde: “You will, sir. You will.”
Frank P @ 15:31
I’ve “nevvah, evvah dahn drugs”, as they say on the telly,and never smoked either. I must admit there have been occasions recently when I wish the Doc would have prescribed something to ‘gee-me-up’ a bit, as it were. He is a genial, sprightly old bugger and also, imo, a good and conscientious doctor, and all of which is something to cheer about. Hurrah! But, I have a sneaking suspicion that the medics keep all the good stuff back for themselves! 🙁
Good piece, Frank.
I think it is clear to the meanest intelligence … and I include David Cameron in that category … that islam has no intention of coming to terms with anyone, under the “It’s my way or the highway” rule.
To all the sheikhs and what have you of oil rich countries, once you have bombed the West to hell, there won’t be any more customers for your oil, nor anyone who knows how to refine, transport and market it it and you’ll be back in the Stone Age after your short sojourn out of it. No TV to watch “Allah in The Family”. And who’s going to produce your pornography, of which you are such a greedy customer?
I mean, from a practical point of view, bombing the West is self-defeating. Far better that the West bombs you. We can discuss this again once the Americans get rid of Hussain Obama.
Frank Sutton
““I see it as a a bit like a well run pub – no topic is barred, but bad manners are.”
Then try running one like that. It’s probably the reason why so many are closing. They used to be places where you you could escape from insufferable ‘good manners’ have a jar and relax. Then ones that are left all seem to have been turned in twee restaurants, charge more for mediocre food than Claridges charge for cordon bleu – and drive real pubsters outside to smoke al fresco under a ramshackle canopy, as a punishment for their anti-social habits.
Perhaps Peter should divide the blog into the equivalent of the old saloon bar, the public bar and the snug. Then those with tender susceptibilities can chose the company they prefer – or skip between all of them according to their mood and the topic of the day in each obeying the rules listed on the wall of each.
Anyway give it another year or so and the only pubs owned by chains, binge palaces for yoof to get pissed into the small wee hours then spill out into public spaces honking and shagging like rabbits in every shop doorway. Good manners – a thing of the past.
Frank … first laugh of the day. Thank you!
If people do want the freedom to post absolutely anything they choose with no consideration then there are other venues. Western civilization requires manners. If we cannot even act in a mannerly fashion here then we have no warrant to complain about anyone else’s behaviour elsewhere.
A brief visit to any blog that has no manners shows that it loses all serious comment, or any serious comment is drowned out by bad manners, vulgarity and abuse. Is that what is wanted here? It is not what I expected.
Is is impossible to post thoughtful material without being abusive, offensive, tasteless and vulgar?
EC (15:31)
““nevvah, evvah dahn drugs”
Me neither, except the prescribed crap that is currently keeping me half-alive – and GlaxoSmithKline solvent. But it has been my misfortune to have to observe, in the course of public duty, the habits of the Sixties generation at close quarters and familiarise myself with the symptoms of the abuse of chemical compounds. Forensic examination of seized materials has usually backed up my instincts and experienced eye.
One doesn’t have to take a degree in Medicine or Behavioural psychology to sus out the signs of sin among the great unwashed. Patrol the University of Streets of the Metrollups for a great chunk of your active life and it becomes second nature. I never for one moment suspected that you had been foolish enough to indulge in the dodgy delights of dope – but you do seem to harbour a curiosity of what might have been? Perish the thought, old friend! The wake of devastation that has been left by this flotilla of the culture war is not a pleasant sight when examined at close quarters. Booze is bad – dope is devastating.
Verity 16:04
Good points but though I agree broadly, my opinion is slightly different: the Left think they’ve won, they’ve certainly controlled the tenets of mainstream UK discourse for way too long. However I think there are enough of us Britons left, especially out with the metropolises, who could be persuaded to recognise the menace of this particular Left-inflicted “enemy within”. It will be increasingly difficult, as each generation is progressively inculcated by multicultural, diversity ordure but I think we do need to make some sort of stand. Maybe the blatant hatred displayed in this courageous video would be enough to kickstart a reaction, ideally at the ballot box? Certainly the belligerent side of me would like to think so: can’t keep the idea out of my head that most of the map was coloured pink when I was at school and now we’re facing annihilation.
If I am wrong and your more realistic projection is correct then I’d at least like this video to have been shown so that the lizards of the Left realise fully who are fenestrating their cloacae. I for one don’t intend to submit to any takeover by anyone.
Frank P 16:13
Thank you for this link, very interesting, as always, from Mrs Phillips. I definitely agree with her views.
Two points, if I may?
1. I think the Israelis are more than capable of sorting out this rogue State on their own: they need neither the approval nor the assistance of any gentile or secular State.
2. For that I’m very grateful; touching on Verity’s points above, I think most of us here think the UK is in a rather perilous state and my preference is for no more UK or US troops to set foot in a Muslim nation. Let them sort out their own countries, impose their chosen mode of government and we wil vigorously defend ours with a robustness not seen for a generation.
Frank P.
I enjoyed reading your post @ March 10th, 2012 – 02:34
Are you really satisfied with the conclusion that ‘madness’ is the cause?
You write:-
“The biggest fraud ever perpetrated on the largest number of taxpayers – world wide – ever! It has been exposed, comprehensively, yet not only is nothing done to bring the perpetraitors (sic) to book, but the scam widens and becomes more
complex and sophisticated by the minute. Moreover it is a joint enterprise by totalitarian ideologues on the one hand and opportunist entrepreneurs, including government ministers – even the family of the Prime Minister on the other. Fortunes are being made by insider traders. And there is no judicial body, nor law enforcement authority with the will, the resources or the investigative skills to garner the evidence which is staring them in the face? The future prosperity of Western civilisation is being destroyed by Leftist subversives……madness.”
No.
It’s not madness.
Madness is certainly contagious however, madmen do not operate so effectively across the whole world in such a coordinated manner..
“Moreover it is a joint enterprise by totalitarian ideologues…..”
No.
As you suggest above; they all know that they are liars. Only ignorant idiots still think that CO2 is destroying the planet. Their ‘ideology’ has nothing to do with climate change.
“And there is no judicial body, nor law enforcement authority with the will, the resources or the investigative skills to garner the evidence which is staring them in the face?”
Of course there are as you will know better than me.
However the issue is power not justice.
“The future prosperity of Western civilisation is being destroyed….”
Yes, the future prosperity and stability of the West is indeed being destroyed before our eyes.
Why would the rich and powerful want to do that simply to make a bit of money? As you point out;
“Your own children will be the victims of this egregious conspiracy, because eventually the money you are salting away will be worthless, as civilisation crumbles and the Islamists inherit the scorched earth”.
So, either the rich and powerful and well connected in the West have indeed all gone mad at the same time or instead there is a completely different agenda unfolding.
“….by Leftist subversives…..”
No.
As I demonstrated before by cutting & pasting referenced essays drawing on long standing international historical research, it’s not ‘the left’.
For instance, why would they wait until the fall of the Soviet block to launch their ‘green front’?
Why not do it before the fall of the Soviet slave state? Then they would have even more resources and more time and greater access to corrupted science and easier access to universities and whole cadres of willing liars and bogus satalite ‘evidence’ of climate change and…….
As another ‘for instance’, thinking folk on the left know what ‘Islamisation’ would mean for civilised society. It’s years ago but I recall reading Marx writing about the ‘street mob’ of Islamic societies with real disdain.
Anyway, obviously there are those who do THINK* that they are ‘riding the tiger’. They imagine perhaps that they can destroy society and refashion it in another image. So have nutters throughout the ages.
That doesn’t matter. What matters is that the power to effect these changes has been given from the top down. The power to fracture civilised society.
This certainly has most usually been beneath the cloak of ‘progressive’ ideals. However, what is ‘progressive’ about the corporate slave state of China?
Now we know why Nixon went to China. Now we know a truly global financial superstructure was being erected.
‘The left’ are irrelevant to global power but they are useful in destroying western civilisation. That’s their role. Who cares what the THINK they are achieving?
The institutions are the tool of The Agenda.
The Agenda did not arise from those within the institutions.
This is why, from your analysis above, the only conclusion must be the one that you reach ‘madness’.
It’s not madness when so much power is at stake. It never is.
Regards.
*Sorry about capitals, don’t know how to apply italics.
John R and Frank P
Extremely interesting and thought-provoking posts. Thank you both.
As has been discussed before (Common Purpose, the Agenda), one does sense a controlling force but I am still entirely clear in my own mind who or what constitutes this entity?
Apologies. Last line should have read: “…still NOT entirely clear…”.
Worth reading the interview with Vince Cable in the Guardian:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/mar/09/vince-cable-hits-out-tory-right%20today
He all but announces his new Five Year Plan for building new tractor factories in the Urals. But on reflection, since his Tory- and business-bashing is so over the top (and tailored to the Guardian readership) one has to wonder whether the whole interview is just a stunt cooked up by Clegg and Cameron to allow Dave to pose as the defender of free enterprise while Nick waves the pink banner of “fairness” from the ramparts.
Because in actual fact none of them is free to push the economy leftward, rightward or any other word. That privilege is reserved for Brussels.
Redneck (19:57)
“Let them sort out their own countries, impose their chosen mode of government and we will vigorously defend ours with a robustness not seen for a generation.”
Yes. But the problem is less the external threat, than from the enemy within, imho. It seems to me that all the recent foreign adventures have been an appalling distraction from both the ceding of sovereignty to Europe and the relentless infiltration of islamists. Both phenomena have evolved, as we know, as a result of deliberate policies by our own successive, treasonous governments.
The ‘good manners’ of the English, i.e. not wishing to offend and being prepared to tolerate the intolerable, is party responsible for this, so I get somewhat less exercised than some, when the furious reaction to this is expressed in less than gentlemanly terms and if it takes a bit of effing and blinding to punctuate that fury at times – so what? In fact the ladylike language and decorum of some of the fair sex who have contributed so much on the various blogs from which we have fired our little digital word bombs over the last decade has slipped from time to time, when they have been tempted themselves to stick a few digital epithets into the enemy – or into the stupid who can’t see the wood for the trees. Good on ’em!
I take aboard what Nicholas says about giving the enemy a stick with which to beat us – and racial epithets are unpleasant, because nobody chooses their race and I am no white supremacist; the outlook those words convey flies in the face of both decency and common sense and not just in historical terms; I certainly don’t think we should stoop to the language of some black activists and Muslim mullahs for instance(now there is bigotry) but free speech enables us to judge those who advocate and promote extreme racial or religious divisions from whatever tribe they emerge. If we insist that those beliefs remain unspoken how can we know where it exists and defend ourselves against the underlying cant and discrimination? As for replacing vowels with asterisks, or acronyms to cloak Anglo-Saxon usage? WTF 🙂 is the difference? As the emended word is understood by anybody with synapses that are still interconnecting – WHAT – IS – THE – DIFFERENCE?
As I said at the outset of Peter’s new platform, without a little salt and pepper it would become a very bland dish indeed. But if that’s what he wants, then so be it. We then each have to decide whether we want to frequent a ‘pub’ where the landlord has an over-sensitive antenna for the coarser notes of the craic. I don’t intend to flounce off in a huff if he emends or deletes my commentary or posts. Fair enough. I certainly don’t intend to use language that is likely to get his collar felt. But if he wants to exclude me, he’d do me a favour – I’m still ploughing through a library of books acquired and given, that I have no chance of ever assimilating anyway; would probably be better off reading a few of those rather than amusing myself by abusing the onanists who are selling us up the river. I have no illusions about the likelihood of our blogging forays changing the course of history, btw. I have been trying, probably for much longer than anyone else here, to do that for some 60 years, official and unofficial, politely and rudely – and un-freaking-successfully! I’m a bit set in my ways now, so don’t expect me to necessarily conform to the canons of any church, when it comes to expression of ideas. Mother Church in its multi-various sects doesn’t seem to have had much success itself in dealing with the ungodly and have indeed wittingly cloaked much evil under their weasel words and fancy dress displays. I think the Ten Commandments are a handy tick-box for an ethical approach to life, but most of us would have adopted more or less similar tenets anyway because there is mutual beneficence involved. If people can get comfort from faith in their chosen God, good luck to them. But when they try to ram it down the throats of others in the extreme form of Islam or even from the sanctimonious side of Christianity, my heckles rise, just as they do when militant Atheists like Dawkins et al imply that people who choose to have benign faith are stupid, gullible and unworthy.
It’s opinion! Nothing more: catharsis. And good fun, until we get too serious about it. Then, I fear, it becomes pretentious and self-serving.
I have been very entertained for the past decade reading the passionate political writing, on various blogs, of my friends here who know who they are. They have helped me through some sticky patches health-wise and that still obtains, as with most people who have reached my age, so I’d hate to lose their camaraderie. As my eldest nonagenarian sister tells me, growing old is not for sissies, but friendship ameliorates the condition.
However … I’m a nonconformist by nature and of that doesn’t suit the host, then I’ll find another stand for me peashooter. There is an underlying sense of humour that binds the renegades here together and it was enhanced by the idiocy of the trolls who tried to shut us up. Let’s stop niggling over language and attack the common enemy rather each other on account of style or presentation of the attack. And I’m sure the more candid comrades-at-arms will stop farting in church and concentrate on exposing the cant of communism and evil of Islamism witout offending the MC. I’ll try harder myself. Whilst I accept that Peter is doing a good job, so are the rest of us, though. This is a joint enterprise, but one with an opt-out clause for anybody – and that includes the host. That’s my last word on the subject, I promise.
John Richardson
“No.
It’s not madness.
Madness is certainly contagious however, madmen do not operate so effectively across the whole world in such a coordinated manner.”
They may be coordinated in their ambitions, but their actions are the politics of madness. It is self-destructive, as has been all other forms of totalitarian construction; in the end they all fail. The problem is they bring us all down with them and kill, or deprive unnecessarily, millions in the process. Therein lies the madness – in the long run we are all dead, so their conniving and ‘gains’ are ephemeral.
“….wonder whether the whole interview is just a stunt….”
Curnonsky
March 10th, 2012 – 22:19
The whole of contemporary party politics is ‘a stunt’.
From referendums on stuff no-one wants to a veto that is not a veto it is a charade.
The best example must be ‘the savage cuts’ when a brief perusal of the MSM demonstrates millions/billions still being wasted. This coalition spends more each year than Blair/Brown ever did and will continue to until 2015 by it’s own projections (from memory).
Real decision making has ‘moved on’ from party politics.
Redneck.
Hi.
“…one does sense a controlling force but I am still entirely clear in my own mind who or what constitutes this entity?”
Yes.
One certainly does sense a ‘controlling force’ and why not trust one’s senses?
Remember all that bs a few years ago about ‘the threat of the far right’? It was all the BBC were interested in. The BNP were given more publicity than the Oscars. Why?
Remember the SARs & Swine flu threats? The ‘Daily Mail’ online ran on headline about the latter that explained mass graves were being prepared. Why?
Would anyone like to guess why we are REALLY in Afghanistan?
While I mention it, that Stella Remington (was that her name? head of MI5 made money writing a book when she retired?) said 2/3 years ago that there were thousands of Muslims engaged in terrorist/Jihadist/extremist activity in the UK.
Wow!
Well it’s hats off to MI5 & Special Branch who seem to have successfully foiled each and every single wingle plot that every single extremist has ever attempted to bring to fruition since 7/7*.
That despite the fact that the Security Services also explain that they CANNOT actually foil every single plot.
Then again, with our support of Al Qaeda in North Africa
(this included body armour apparently, nice if ‘our boys’ could see a bit of that one day)
I suppose the evil terrorists have had their hands full of late.
I suppose the evil terrorists can’t be everywhere at once.
How I hate those evil terrorist. Who will save us? Perhaps we need a strong leader. Someone who will not pussy foot around with this insane ‘uman rights’ rubbish.
Anyway there certainly IS a controlling force. Sometimes visible. It is clear the MSM are a tool of The Agenda. I do not want to be.
Regards.
*See ‘7/7 Butterfly Effect’ free on ‘You-tube’ for a non-state/corporate media take on those events. Interesting.
Frank P. @ 23:01
Agree with every word.
However, I contend that from my/our place in the food chain developments (green energy/hate speech/’gay marriage’/health&safety ) will appear to be simply madness.
From a different vantage point there is a clear and simple trajectory a scheme/plan/agenda.
The powers that be own the world already. They do not want to destroy it. They want to destroy OUR world of freedom and relative prosperity.
I would imagine that they do not mind if we think that they are mad. They are not.
Reg.s
Redneck.
Yes, sorry you intended ‘..NOT entirely clear…’. I cut’n pasted your error.
Frank P
I sense a kindred soul. I am appalled at how craven and pathetic we British males have become in the space of one generation.
I am a typical Brit, though of part “Confederate” heritage: I believe in fair-play and decency but abhor how this has been abused to allow the horrific level of influx into the UK and US. Unless we toughen up again, to the level of our forefathers, we shall watch the rape of all we hold dear, perpetrated by vermin who despise us and all we hold dear.
I will not surrender my country. I assume you are of the same mind?
Peter from Maidstone
March 10th, 2012 – 13:39
Whilst in no way decrying your decision to remove my joke – it is, as you say, your blog, your choice and your door that gets kicked in – the continued and ongoing argument/discussion rather suggests humour has a bigger impact than expected.
Personally, as the jokester, I don’t mind one way or the other – I have my own blog where I can post what I will – but I enjoy the varied writings on this site and will remain here, perhaps with a little more care and a nod towards your limits. I don’t propose to whine incessantly when I exceed the limit, but I do think the thrust of the matter rather than the joke itself are worthy of further consideration.
I think the so-call ‘alternative comedy’ of the 80’s and 90’s will, when looked back upon, be considered to have been a powerful driving force in pushing the UK leftwards and creating the position we are in today. It was the likes of Ben Elton and his malicious ridicule that started to make politicians wary of what they said – effectively limiting free speech, something, of course, he claimed to be in favour of. The truth is that they were in favour of the right to decry the right, as long as the right couldn’t hit back. We see the same now with the media treatment of the BNP, amusing because, as anyone who has bothered to read their manifesto will realise, the BNP are actually a socialist, protectionist party. They just choose to oppose immigration and the EU.
The ‘right on’ attitudes managed to drive all other humour out of the media, with the exception of live performance. The Two Ronnies, Benny Hill and all the harmless sitcoms that entertained were ridiculed, both for their content and, if we’re honest, because they were perceived as middle class. Only now, with the rubbish that passes as humour today, are people realising what they have lost. I introduced a group of Aussies to the classic “Four candles” sketch and they were in stitches.
I also think those ‘alternative’ comedians were just middle class, university types with an eye on the money, rather than the political warriors they claimed to be at the time. Elton abandoned the UK pretty damn quick and lives here now (moaning about the tax rate!) The rest of them ended up in unfunny sitcoms and retired to the Country to live the Good Life. Even Billy Bragg plays Lord of the Manor down in Dorset. Hardly manning the barricades shoulder-to-shoulder with the proletariat.
As for Muslims, having lived and worked amongst them (as the only westerner in an Arab business) I understand better than most that humour and ridicule will change them. I believe the upset over the Danish cartoons had more to do with the ridicule it exposed them to rather than the fact (supposedly) that Mohammed was portrayed. The Arab ‘character’ running out of Paradise to greet the long line of sooty-faced still-smoking suicide bombers shouting “Go back, go back – we’ve run out of virgins!” is, in my opinion, on a par with and as effective as, anything by Hogarth. Jeff Denham and Ahmed the Dead Terrorist is carrying on that tradition – check him out on You Tube.
There is no room for humour in Islam, life was too short and too brutal when it was founded. Sadly, it has remained trapped in that time. Now, its tenets, to us, are medieval and ridiculous. Sadly, they are also dangerous, but that doesn’t mean they are as immutable as Muslims believe. Those that move to the west should not receive special consideration either in custom or dress. They should fit in and adapt their religion to suit. If they insist on making themselves ‘different’ then they should expect to be the butt of our humour.
Redneck
“I will not surrender my country”.
A series of self-serving political traitors have already done it on your behalf old chap. I wish I could see a way of reversing their dastardly deeds; if you can think of anything please publish your manifesto and I’ll vote for you at the next General Election when Tweedledum and Tweedledee can get Anglo-Saxoned as far as I’m concerned. Kuwaiti tankers, the pair of ’em! As for the ‘third party’ … Pfff!
And even Nigel F is finding it difficult to gather a serious mob around him. As I often say, shame he didn’t contrive to take over the Tory Party, rather than inventing a new one; but that’s another story. Delingpole can relate that story better than anybody – he knows the players personally. The ultimate puppeteers pulled that one off for DC, aided and abetted by his old college pal, Frank Luntz who masterminded the PR campaign via a BBC 2 focus group and boy! Did they foc-us! See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Luntz
John Richardson, totally brill and I believe you are correcct in your deductions. There is so much that is madness, otherwise. The West reached its superior position, held for a little under two thousand years, by pragmatic thinking, imagination and unemotional logic. Other races (except the Chinese and the Indians) had basically never got out of the starting gate until they encountered the West.
I have thought for some time that there a programme going on, and it is being disguised by emotions, “concerns”, “feelings”, “sensitivity to others” … in none of which have the British ever needed instruction.
There is a distasteful and dangerous drive to bossiness … as in the vast legions of uppity jobsworths unaccountably (except if it’s part of the chart) employed by local councils.
I have sensed an evil progressing, and it became real when Blair slithered under the door of Downing Street. It still astounds me that the British were so naive as to vote him in for a second term, never mind a third. By that time, the BBC had cast caution to aside and became a voice for the fascist left, paid for by the brain washees themselves with the BBC’s ridiculous “license fee”. (A license to own a tv? Today? When you can probably get tv reception on your pinkie ring? Yet governments continue to endorse it because it is the only medium whose message is paid for by the victims.)
I predict that this programme will succeed in Britain. That’s why I got out.
Frank P
I don’t know what to say. Suspect I am being naive, don’t really want to think in terms of defeat. Hope you are wrong F.
I think we would all benefit if Nigel Farage, who is a brilliant speaker and a brave fighter, would now recognise, as the rest of us are beginning, very belatedly, to recognise … the enemy is not without, over the Channel.
The enemy is within.
Don’t bother fighting the EU. We can fight the EU over normal foreign things, like duty and passport controls, once we’ve got Britain back. And to get Britain back, we have to be merciless with the enemy within. Merciless. As are they.
Verity writes:
“we have to be merciless…Merciless.”
Verity, you sound like Dr Strangelove.
Frank P, March 10th, @15:31pm
Re: Drugs & culture wars
I one hundred percent agree with you. Back at the “old” Speccie the only blog posts liable to cause a guaranteed almighty furore and hullabaloo were when either:
!) Rod Liddle blogged something playfully provocative that touched on racial matters or on Glaswegian sectarian football bigotry.
OR
2) Melanie Phillips blogged on the folly of liberalising drug laws. Her posts on Israel were also unpopular with the ‘usual suspects’ but they never provoked the avalanche and howls of protest that came in response to her candid views on drugs. You will remember that it was just the same on her own blog before she ever went to the Speccie. She was targeted before she ever went to the Speccie – it was nothing to do with the supposed enhanced readership numbers of the “punching above its weight” Speccie. BTW How much do you think that the editor of that organ of the press actually weighs and how hard punch do you think he packs? Thought so.
Janet Daley, in today’s Telegraph, gets it spot on as usual. In the same paper, D’Ancona, as usual, does not.
Publius 11th, – 10:38
“In the same paper, D’Ancona, as usual, does not.”
Ah, well; there’s a reason for that, isn’t there?
Once again the culling of badgers hits the headlines. Well, I suppose it makes a change from “same sex marriage”
Once again the culling of badgers hits the headlines. Well, I suppose it makes a change from “same sex marriage” which our sick establishment appears obsessed with. Why, in heaven’s sake, cattle cannot be vaccinated as they are in most developed countries is beyond me. Can one imagine the ourage if immigrants, especially illegal immigrants were culled for AIDS, HIV, TB, and Hepatitis, plus other nasty tropical diseases? TB has reappeared in a terrible way in this country which was almost free of it. Most NHS hospitals which treat AIDS, HIV and other related diseases, never receive funding from National Insurance as the patients often came here to receive free treatment. Most of the babies born with congenital diseases, including syphillis related conditions are the offspring of illegals, or the blighted children of incestous relationships of moslems. Culling? Seems that badgers are the wrong target.
Anne Wotana Kaye, National Insurance does not fund the NHS.
As for your “culling” ideas, I think that was tried some years ago in Germany. And I believe their leader at the time was kind to animals too.
Publius: You are rather distraught. A portion of a contributor’s National Insurance goes towards medical care. Your reference to Hitler is old and tired regarding his attitude to animals and quite incorrect. Hitler was above all a cruel monster, and his evil extended to using his supposedly loved pet dog as a guinea pig for the poison he intended to use on himself.
Publius.perhaps this may be of interest?
What exactly does our national insurance go towards??
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i mean do we really get our moneys worth if we arnt always in and out of hospital or constantly on the dole. i think there should be a usage based re-bait…………….and not just a bait!!!!
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It pays for the NHS and contribution based welfare benefits. Without it we would not have a free health care system. Your payments insure you against old age, incapacity and unemployment (paid as State Pension, Incapacity Benefit and Jobseekers(C)), the amount we pay compared to what we recive is spectacular, no private insurance company would provide so much for so little. Obviously the more you earn the more you contribute, but it is not an excessive amount, and ensures that those without are catered for. It is the mark of an advanced and humaine society
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AWK, who wrote the astonishingly illiterate piece you have quoted? Someone, presumably, for whom English is not a first language.
My point on National Insurance was that it is not ringfenced for any particular expenditure. It is merely part of the great burden of tax. Gordon Brown tried to make out that NI somehow paid for the NHS in order to dupe the populace into accepting tax increases.
AWK: NI is not really an insurance at all (If any insurance company ran its affairs that way they wouldn’t get away with it). NI contributions go straight into the tax pool along with income tax and the rest.
The only sense it could be almost regarded as an insurance is that the amount of state pension is geared to what you’ve paid in NI.
Publius
March 11th, 2012 – 12
We can certainly agree on the quality, or lack of it, of the language used. I should imagine it was written by an official ‘educated’ under the State system.
“My point on National Insurance was that it is not ringfenced for any particular expenditure.” This appears to modify your original stance.
I must admit that I used a measure of irony in my posting, and it certainly appears to have activated buttons!
Verity
March 11th, 2012 – 00:52
Thanks Verity
” There is so much that is madness, otherwise….”
Indeed, I bet the victims of Stalin’s purges and his other policies also thought the State had gone mad. However, the Soviet State needed to criminalise everybody to politically secure ‘socialism’ and to generate a mass slave society. This slave society would be used to create an industrial state. The policy worked.
Thus for example, it became a criminal offence to be more than 15mins late for work (this became an anti-socialist act of deliberate ‘wrecking’) sentence; two years hard labour.
I am reminded of this when I read about pensioners arrested for dropping litter. Also the ‘green crime’ of putting the ‘wrong’ rubbish in the ‘wrong’ bin, for example. I have read one English Local Authority makes it’s victims sort plastic into five different categories!
We all know that telling jokes to the immigration stassi is dangerous. We only heard about that ‘cos that victim was a successful man with media connections. How many ‘nobodies’ like me have suffered worse than him?
This Local Authority activity is an example of why I do not concur with those who identify the ‘long march through the institutions’ as being the nexus of our problems.
The institutions are certainly infested with the ugly and destructive ‘jobsworths’ that Verity describes below.
The institutions are also top heavy with ‘progressive’ barbarians.
However, they are applying policies and not creating them.
The identical policies are being imposed across the West. Often with the same wording. It is beyond ‘left and right’. It’s about freedom and tyranny.
Some historians have said that socialist ‘collectivisation’ of agricultural production was deliberately designed to create starvation to murder the rural population down to manageable levels. It would also create dependency on the state. This is the framework employed with wind farms. Even MS politicians like J. Redwood have called the Government’s policies ‘the drive for expensive energy’. Booker in the ‘Sunday Telegraph’ has been warning for every that we will have very expensive electricity and inevitable power cuts.
It is a painful psychological event to recognise that this is a planned deliberate policy.
There is a clear agenda to criminalise everybody. It has happened before in modern human societies. The forces behind this perversion of law are the same forces that refuse to jail burglars.
They don’t care about ‘hate’ or ‘the planet’ or ‘the environment’ or any of that nonsense. WE are the target.
This is why I posted that excellent quote from Alex Jones* the other day. He described how the MSM never join the dots to show there is a massive international broad front in these bogus ‘crimes’. Instead the MSM pretend that developments are local, national or regional.
“The West reached its superior position, held for a little under two thousand years, by pragmatic thinking, imagination and unemotional logic. Other races (except the Chinese and the Indians) had basically never got out of the starting gate until they encountered the West.”
Indeed, this is why the reality of western civilisation must be destroyed before the NWO can be established.
It is painful for ‘the left’ but the truth is that their positive and negative political instincts are being harnessed to effect a radical new direction for the human race. i.e high taxation will not distribute wealth but instead destroy productive economies & multiculturalism will not create more human understanding but instead destroy civil society for all.
The painful part for ‘the right’ is identical. Thus, the ‘security agenda’ will not save us from the next terrorist outrage. The security strictures that we experiencing now are simply not designed to prevent terrorism; hence the guy and his veil/scarf joke.
This is why I asked those questions above about Afghanistan and ‘domestic terrorism’.
The ‘cuts’ will never fall on the Welfare Class or the ‘colonist community’.
This is why ‘middle class’ access to legal aid is being terminated for example; under the guise of ‘cuts’. The swine…
“I have thought for some time that there a programme going on, and it is being disguised by emotions, “concerns”, “feelings”, “sensitivity to others” … in none of which have the British ever needed instruction.”
Your instincts are surly correct just like ‘Redneck’ and so many others with minds of their own; right/left atheist/religious.
“There is a distasteful and dangerous drive to bossiness … as in the vast legions of uppity jobsworths unaccountably (except if it’s part of the chart) employed by local councils.”
Some aspects of the gathering tyranny are easily discernible for those who have read history. A while ago I saw a tv programme about recycling. The bin men happily explained they were not shy about ‘shopping’ the guilty (wrong rubbish in bin) and were actually attempting to ‘re-educate’ the population.
When the bin men are ‘re-educating’ the population and secretly reporting you to ‘the authorities’ we are 3/4 way to Hell.
The Local Councils are providing many footsoldiers to the Agenda.
Teachers who report six year old children to the Police for hate speech?
We are in deep.
As Alex Jones says; ‘Do you know how late it is? Do you know how dark it is?’
“I have sensed an evil progressing, and it became real when Blair slithered under the door of Downing Street.”
Yes.
“It still astounds me that the British were so naive as to vote him in for a second term, never mind a third.”
Apparently Kinnock lost in ’92 with more total votes than Blair polled in ’97 but I cannot make excuses for The People. They traded high house prices and free stuff for their freedom and their future.
“..we By that time, the BBC had cast caution to aside…..”
Oh don’t get me started on those scum.
“….and became a voice for the fascist left, paid for by the brain washees themselves with the BBC’s ridiculous “license fee”….”
Well that really is the issue.
We cannot let our friends and allies allow themselves to be intellectually and psychologically infected by the BBC without continuing to point out…
– you are NOT being entertained. It’s rubbish. You have just grown used to the rubbish. You can just switch off.
-you are NOT being informed. It is all lies. The world makes less sense the more you listen to these idiots and liars. If you switch off you will find more real information and more peace.
-there is a cost to your own soul…er..psyche if you prefer, in your knowing that you give them your money. You pay Kirsty Walk £1 million a year. You pay their wages. This is bound to make you angry and unhappy. You can stop. It’s a great feeling to know you are NOT responsible for their output.
Even the fricking BBC weather forcast is based on the CO2 lie. So even that’s wrong.
There is an ancient occult law or spell or whatever that goes a bit like this. If you can get your victim to accept or even encourage their own victim hood then you are immune from any consequences of your evil actions and your victim is beyond help. I sometimes wonder if the whole BBC voluntary payment thing is a kind of massive morale test. If so good cos it’s about time I didn’t fail one of those.
“I predict that this programme will succeed in Britain. That’s why I got out.”
Hard to argue but economic reality might just weigh in in our favour.
This is why the State/MSM/BBC still prattle on about those ‘gold plated state pensions’.
The surface story is ‘Isn’t it an outrage how generous they are!’
The hidden/real message,
‘Don’t worry about the obscene actions you are taking in service to the State, just remember how generous your pensions are! You can live like a king in some 2nd world country and leave all the debris of Great Britain behind you!!’
If we could demonstrate that the State is running a Ponzi Pension scheme it might have an impact.
*The hardcore unreformed Texan with his own ‘anti-NWO’ radio/internet show. I’d still love you to check him out Verity. Did I mention that he is a Texan?
John Richardson writes: “It is beyond ‘left and right’. It’s about freedom and tyranny.” etc.
John Richardson, your posts are always a delight to read. Your above point hits the nail on the head of course. The likes of Fraser Nelson, e.g., are just as complicit in cheering on this new tyranny as those on the left. Homgeneity, consumerism, panem & circenses are the order of the day. Everything is fungible in the new material ‘scientific’ order. And to these people permanence is the enemy, learning is the enemy, independence is the enemy. Any entity that presumes to stand apart from the ever-spreading homogeneity must be expunged. One does not even need to be religious in any standard sense to discern this.
Publius wites, ” Verity, you sound like Dr Strangelove”.
Your analogy is so arcane, and so utterly disconnected to the discussion, that I can only assume that you are not too tightly tethered.
Publius of pretentious name and a preachy, irrelevant post that doesn’t have the lightest tether to the subject, you’re a troll. J’accuse!
(And Dr Strangelove! So a dated troll stuck in the distant past! I for one don’t even remember what Dr Strangelove was about, although I’m pretty sure I saw it …)
AWK 12:14 … Yes indeed. What is in urgent need of culling are the sons of the “prophet”, their multiple wives and children born with the incurable diseases and disabilities that come from generations of inbreeding – as any fule no – and will therefore be passengers on the NHS from birth, and never contribute one thin penny in tax. Why on earth would any country not seek to expel these people pronto. (Why would any sane country let them in? – except as weapons against the owners of these islands.)
This is the cull that Britain urgently needs to perform with zest. DNA samples, retinal photographs, cattle boats over to France. They found their own way to Britain, they can find their own way, from France, back to the hellholes they emerged from.
The urgent thing is, they be expunged from Britain and sent on their way to somewhere where child marriage to first cousins, cutting off little daughters’ clitorises (so they will never know sexual arousal or pleasure and thus never be motivated to follow a pair of roguish eyes. She will marry into the family that offers the best financial deal for her parents.), Vitamin A deficiency from wearing their desert attire (a folk tradition … nothing to do with religion and not even mentioned in their q´rannie dealie) even in Britain, so her bones never feel the sun. So, rickets on the NHS!!
Etc.
John Richardson writes: “The security strictures that we experiencing now are simply not designed to prevent terrorism; …”. No indeed. They are designing the venues for it.
I’ll bet Tony Blair can’t wait for the Olympics! It was he who spent thousands in one last shove with the Olympic Committe (Gang of Thieves) by flying with the missus to Singapore. When I read that they had changed their minds from France, my heart hit the floor with a dull thud.
John Richardson … “*The hardcore unreformed Texan with his own ‘anti-NWO’ radio/internet show …”.
I don’t think you posted an address, of if you did, I didn’t make a note of it. Could I ask you to kindly repost?
Interesting material about the increase of rickets in the UK. The Independent can probably be trusted to hide the truth as much as possible so it is all the more significant when it says…
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/rise-in-rickets-linked-to-ethnic-groups-that-shun-the-sun-2319920.html
Health staff in Cardiff have reported a surge in cases among the children of ethnic groups who do not get enough exposure to the sun for religious or cultural reasons. Similar reports have come from cities in the North of England, including Newcastle and Bradford, and from Southampton.
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In Cardiff the disease is being seen in children born to women who have progressively lower levels of vitamin D with each birth.
Dr Elspeth Webb, a reader in child health at Cardiff University, said: “You get women living in certain communities that perhaps don’t go out much because of religious, cultural traditions. They’re covered up when they do. They don’t get enough access to sunlight. So they get vitamin D deficient.
“Every pregnancy, you use up your vitamin D stores and if you’re not making enough to replenish them, you gradually get more and more depleted. By your third or fourth child, that child is born already without enough vitamin D. So they’ll be presenting with rickets at around 18 months.”
It seems reasonable to ask what the cost to the NHS is for this increase in treatment of rickets.
Incidentally, I tried to post an innocently light-hearted scenario over on TheSpec two or three times and it unaccountably never made it through, but I think it is time Michael Flatley follow up River Dance with a new show called “Dune Dance”.
It could be fun! Some Middle Eastern music is quite fetching. Flatley could take the lead role of mohammad. They would have to shorten the burqas a tiny bit to free the ankles, but as women in show business are well known to be slutty, this may not be a problem.
Or maybe a musical movie based on the life of Omar Khayyam … “OK-omar!” about a territorial dispute, say, between muezzins who want to build a mosque and sellers of babaganoush who want to keep their ancient market ground. Babaganoush could rhyme with lots of things. As could humus. Baklava. Falafel. Marrakesh could probably rhyme with something.
Hi Verity.
Yes, happy to….
‘infowars.com’
or
‘www.prisonplanet.com’
I’d suggest the best way to get a feeling for this man is to go to ‘Youtube’ and search ‘The Alex Jones Show’. Then perhaps select a topic you are interested in and search that i.e ‘Alex Jones Show London riots’ or ‘Alex Jones Show Obama Birth certificate’ or whatever.
You might be interested in his accounts of his being confronted and threatened by Romney. Broadcast early Feb ’12.
Interestingly, Alex Jones said on one other occasion Romney did NOT threaten him because Alex was with his family (in a restaurant I think) and that is not a manly/Texan thing to do.
‘The Alex Jones Show’ claims that ; ‘You have found the front line in the war against the NWO!’
IMHO he is an outstanding man with a very interesting (young) life. His regular contributors include Regan’s Treasury Secretary Paul Craig Roberts, he has interviewed everyone from Head of The Joint Chiefs to Hollywood ‘madams’. ‘Our own’ Delingpole has been on a few times as well. Loads of folk you’ll know.
Tell me if you cannot find a topic you are searching for and I’ll put my team on it……well, I’ll look it up and give you a direct reference.
(When a guest Catherine Austin Phips has provided some of the most interesting interviews I have ever heard.)
Regards.
Verity writes: “What is in urgent need of culling are the sons of the “prophet”, their multiple wives and children born with the incurable diseases and disabilities that come from generations of inbreeding”
You are right, Verity. I do not belong in the same room as you. No wonder some of your posts do not make it onto The Spectator site.
P from M … “It seems reasonable to ask what the cost to the NHS is for this increase in treatment of rickets.”
Well, probably not that much as they would croak sooner without Vitamin A and D. So it might work out even stevens.
‘Dr Elspeth Webb, a reader in child health at Cardiff University, said: “You get women living in certain communities that perhaps don’t go out much because of religious, cultural traditions.’ “Certain communities” … “religious, cultural traditions” … Spare me the delicacy and oh-so-precious sensitivity Dr Webb!
Not only precious, but incorrect! Their staying in the home, and wearing long black shrouds when they do go out has NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION! How many times do I have to shout this???? It is driving me crazy.
Nowhere. NOWHERE. Mohammad may have been an epileptic, but he never, NEVER, NEVER, anywhere in the q’ran or the hadiths said one word about how women should dress. He was cazy, but not that crazy. All he ever said was “Women should dress modestly”. That was it. In the whole q’ran, that is the only mild reference to women’s clothes.
The burqa, hijab and all that is desert attire, and long predates the birth of mohammad. It was to protect skin against the fierce Saharan sun, and the eyes, noses and throats agains the constantly blowing desert sands. Men also wore long robes (thobes) for the same reason, and keffiyahs to keep the strong sun off the back of their necks, and folded in such a way as to keep the blowing sand out of noses and eyes.
Dr Elspeth Whateverhernameis, gives legs to a myth. Mohammad said nothing at all, except that one sentence I have quotee, about how women … or men, for that matter … should dress.
These Pakistani bints wear their weird attire because it is local folk wear, and also gets them attention that their unshrouded faces would not merit.
John Richardson, thanks for Alex Jones. I listened to a bit and will go back a bit later. At first my heart sank when I heard on the introduction that he is based in Austin, Texas but he sounded great on the bit I listened to. I’ll go back for serious listen later and will comment.
I picture Verity firing off these posts from her Bond-villain lair buried inside some Mayan temple. Or perhaps James Goldsmith is still alive, knocking off tumblers of tequila with Lord Lucan and composing “Verity’s” flamethrowing missives. “You have annoyed me for the last time, Mr. Cameron…”
Curnonsky – First laugh of the day. Thank you! (Although I loathe tequila.)
to me the goverment is underminning the position of the queen, and is clearing the way to abolish the monachy and going to hand power on mass to the EU
On another matter, re http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2113304/Governments-legal-fight-AGAINST-right-wear-cross-work-brings-accusations-sidelining-Christianity.html
Commenter Bob from England has said something I think strikes at the heart of this dispute. “to me the goverment is undermining the position of the queen, and is clearing the way to abolish the monarchy and going to hand power on mass to the EU.”
I think Bob from England is on to something and this is probably an accurate assessment.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2113304/Governments-legal-fight-AGAINST-right-wear-cross-work-brings-accusations-sidelining-Christianity.html#ixzz1opfkWLdy
Sorry about the disjointed nature of the above. The connection “timed out” and I lost the internet then it came back on again and posted itself twice.
Publius
March 11th, 2012 – 17:02
Verity writes: “What is in urgent need of culling are the sons of the “prophet”, their multiple wives and children born with the incurable diseases and disabilities that come from generations of inbreeding”
You are right, Verity. I do not belong in the same room as you. No wonder some of your posts do not make it onto The Spectator site.
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Publius, who wriggles out of incorrect statements. Let me give you a piece of advice: I shall only do this once, because I cannot be bothered to educate you.
IF IT’S TOO HOT IN THE KITCHEN, GET OUT! ;-0
Verity
March 11th, 2012 – 17:41
Re Alex Jones.
When you can find the time do have ‘a serious listen’ as you put it.
The NWO is real and we do not have many spiritually powerful voices on our side.
This individual is, thus far, the only person I have come across to put everything together and fearlessly go where the documented publicly available evidence takes him.
I’ve found it v. hard to get friends/family/colleges to listen to his show as his manner is er ‘unusual’ and the message he delivers is terrifying.
So if you think he is a waste of time you’re in good company.
To me he is without equal in his field.
Regs.
AWK, or, more appropriately today, EEK: I didn’t imply that we kill all these people. I wrote “culling” as in to reduce or control the size of a herd … the herd being Brits. Those separated from the herd, as I have written many times, should be put onto cattle boatst to France and then left to find their own way to Pakistan, Somalia, wherever.
I have written this many times.
I don’t send posts to The Spectator any more, so the present tense employed in your post above is incorrect. The Spectator is hard left and is, in my opinion only … not stated as fact, driven by the political ambitions of one Fraser Nelson.
Verity; somehow, I think your latest post wasn’t intended for me.
I understood your meaning of ‘cull’ and I’m sure you realised I was using irony, my poor attempt of copying Jonathan Swift! Actually irony must be used with care when trolls are on patrol. Like all socialist/fascists they lack any sense of literary sensitivity and are full of self importance.
AWK – Abject apologies! Your were quoting the egregious Publius!
I must confess I was somewhat disoriented by what I thought was your response to my post!
Verity: On top of all the other slings and arrows of outrageous poverty (!), my laptop has once again decided to write and post independently of me!
I hope it is not too late to catch this week’s post with a fun fact!
Now that the controlling, fascist left are working towards banning people from wearing Christian crosses (and next will be the Star of David) in public, what the hell are they going to do about the burqa and the niqab??? They have invested years preaching at the public that these desert outfits are actually religious requirements. Of course, they’re just items of clothing with absolutely no islamic religious significance whatsoever.
All these self-righteous, destructive idiots who want to ban Christian symbols have excused the repulsive burqa and niquab for years as “religious requirements”.
I do love to see the left between a rock and a hard place. If they want to ban religious symbolism, but fear, as they do, offending islam, they will either have to admit that there’s nothing remotely religious about these items of clothing and they have been lying all these years, or they will have to go ahead and ban them.
Win-win for us! Tee hee.
I don’t think they aim at banning all religious symbolism. They believe that they can control the Muslim community for their own ends. What they want to do is destroy the influence of the Christian faith, both in terms of indirect heritage and direct activity. It is an assault on Christianity and Christians. David Cameron is, in this regard, more appalling than even Brown, than even Blair.
The spirit of anti-Christ is truly present among us. Who would have thought that it would come to this in my own lifetime.
Yes, P from M. I didn’t make myself clear. The toxic left has banged into everyone’s head, including AIRPORT SECURITY, that these desert garments are actually required by allah and wearing them is a religious duty.
That’s a load of old rubbish, of course. They’re just desert attire that long pre-existed moh<.
So now, the left has shot itself in the foot. If they ban religious symbols, they have to ban the burqa and niqab, which they have been excusing for 20 years as muslim religious requirements. So, if wearing crosses is banned in the public arena, then the burqa also has to be banned.
Too funny.
Hi Verity, but I don’t think that the aim is to ban religous symbols so I don’t think the Government has shot itself in the foot, or that it is funny.
I think that the aim is only and entirely to ban Christian symbols.
Certainly in my own Orthodox community it is absolutely universal that all members where a cross, so the Government is talking rubbish when it says that it is not a part of the Christian life.
“The spirit of anti-Christ is truly present among us.”
Yes, Pete from Maidstone.
But you have been promised that the Holy Spirit will be here on Earth to protect you.
It’s true Peter.
Yes, the gates of Hell will not prevail.
But the coming struggle may require the ultimate sacrifice from many.
The ruling elite have absolutely no problem with inconsistency, double standards and hypocrisy. It is all around us now and they turn a wilfully blind eye to it, facilitated by the media. They talk of equality and fairness more than ever before when there is less equality and fairness than ever before. We are all British, the Act of Union requires none of the citizens of the constituent nations to be disadvantaged and yet Scottish domiciled and EU students studying in Scotland are eligible for free tuition, whilst English students are not. That is just one example of the very unequal and very unfair consequences that devolution has brought to a supposedly United Kingdom.
Current political arrangements are all about pandering to those who make the most noise, usually minorities, but not, for example, the EDL who our Prime Minister thinks are “scum”. Would he describe those shouting and placarding “British Police Go To Hell” in Luton as “scum”? Probably not, because he knows what would happen and how much “outrage” would be orchestrated by all the usual suspects who either inhabit the media or intimidate it. The word “British” in that protest is illuminating. Real Britons would just shout and placard “Police Go To Hell”.
Frankly, our government and ruling elite are taking the piss, ever more boldly and brazenly, in what they impose on us and expect of us, in how they seek to control us and in the legislation they plan for us. There is not a single, loud, dissenting, media-reported voice inside Parliament or outside it to challenge any of this or to take up the cause of ordinary people. Those who should be defending us are compliant. The proclaimed diversity only extends to meaningless clichés like “hard-working families”. Even the budget, much fornicated over by the media, is all about how much more tax can be squeezed out of us to pay for the schemes that enslave us.
Recently there was a brief announcement that a government initiative to reduce costs had cost more than it saved. It disappeared without trace.
We are being taken for a ride. Lied to. Exploited. Fleeced. Bullied. Ignored and scorned. Even in the Middle Ages British people were not treated with so great a contempt and with so little true representation.
P from M 22:43 – It doesn’t matter what their intention is.
If “they” … the fascist left … manage to ban Christian symbols in the work place, etc, the Christians will be quick enough to take their case to the doolally European Court of Human Rights or whatever it’s called — any old port in a storm — and make them force the government to ban ALL religious symbols in the workplace, in which case the muslims will blow things up because their ignorant imams tell these these desert outfits are the will of allah.
They will also have to order Sikhs not to wear their turbans to the workplace and to leave their knives at home.
Gosh, I don’t think Davey Dim has thought this through.
They set a trap for themselves and now THEY CAN’T WIN!
Verity, these cases ARE at the ECHR. The Government is distingishing between those symbols of religion which it says are required (all non-Christian ones), and Christian ones which it says are not required. The outcome will not be as you hope. The EU is no friend of Christianity. It will always accomodate non-Christian an anti-Christian communities.
Good post, as always, Nicholas. But Norman Tebbit, Daniel Hannan, probably Dellers (if not now, when it comes to his attention), Janet Daley, possibly John Redwood will all comment on this, I am sure.
Definitely Davie Dickhead isn’t adroit enough to defend it in Parliament, once people start asking questions. I wouldn’t put kick-off past Nadine Dorries.
I can’t wait! I see this is a mincemeat moment.
Verity, no they won’t I’m afraid. They might write articles about it, which will fire people like us up but which will just be ignored by the regime – or misrepresented. The problem is all these people – despite their views – are operating within the bubble and playing by its rules. The “establishment” is distancing itself from Christianity and trying hard not to upset the noisy and the outraged. Even the BBC DG said that Christianity can be treated unfairly because “it has broad shoulders”. After watching John Redwood on QT telling us that our country has changed (actually it has been changed by politicians like him) and that we must adapt to a new definition of what it means to be British I doubt he will utter a murmur about this.
The British government – the Foreign Office of all places – is contesting the case.
Check a recent post on the Speccie where our atheist friend Eddie finally admits to being anti-Tory and voting Labour and Lib Dem (I always thought he was a leftist). Something has happened. In the last few years the “secular” movement, the atheists, have become more strident, more aggressive, more mocking. Watch the language – the repetitive use of words like “fairy” and “sky fairy” to trivialise and mock belief and faith. Look at the Spectator, once a bastion of reasoned, gently stated conservatism and now giving voice to more and more left of centre viewpoints. The Conservative Party itself is being “modernised” – moving leftwards – and there are more and more people commenting on blogs who claim to be of the centre ground or conservative but espouse leftist views. And when people like us demur we are despised as “rabid” or “left behind” or a dozen other pejoratives intended to marginalise, de-legitimise and demonise.
It’s incremental but relentless and the more I watch it happening the more I am reminded of John Richardson’s comments about it.
Nicholas, I read earlier and posted it, but can’t find it now, that there is a theory that these people, the over-ambitious Cameron for one, are setting this in motion to marginalise the Queen.
Preparing us for an appointed head of a much bigger state. The EUSSR … as many of us have referred to it since Day One.
The world seems to get stranger and stranger. When I read this news I was tempted to compose a revised version of the limerick about the odd person from Khartoum who took someone even odder upstairs to a room –
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2113383/Man-reveals-shock-UKs-transgender-pregnancy.html
Herbert Thornton:
1. There is no such thing as “transgender” no matter how much Peter Tatchell, not one of the better informed public figures, wants it. If you are born with two X chromosomes, you are female. If you are born with an X and a Y chromosome, you are a male.
For life.
All the slicing off of bits and silicone implants of other bits, and all the mega hormones in the world cannot change your DNA
There is no such thing as transgender. You will always be the gender you were born, no matter how you have had your appearance altered and how many hormones you pack in with pills and injections.
The pretend “man” who gave birth to a baby is a woman who had her breasts removed and has been taking hormones to grow a beard. Clearly, she didn’t have her uterus removed. There are some very strange people in the world with some very strange fantasies. That doesn’t mean we have to go along with them.
Finally had time to watch that video clip of the young lady returning to her home town and interviewing some spectacularly vile Moslems.
Luton is, sort of, my home town; I lived there on and off from 1968 to 2004.
The clip is in the Bury Park area of town, which despite the name has no park, just rows upon rows of Salford-style back-to-back terracing. The area was mostly West Indian (nicknamed ‘Black-Bury Park) when I was a kid, but it had turned Pakistani / Bangladeshi Moslem by the early 1990s.
Some slender slivers of light at the end of the tunnel – Luton people have a well-deserved reputation for being lively and not-particularly passive when voicing their disapproval of undesirables.
When these Moslems (probably the same ones as on the clip) ventured out of their enclave and into the town centre to shout abuse at returning servicemen, they were chased, cornered, and – when surrounded and protected by those evil police – our Moslem guests were showered with bacon from the rooftops. None of them felt like breaking out of the police cordon to escape the bacon storm – not very devout, I suspect.
Whenever the locals get particularly lively in the town centre taverns, the evil, infidel police often feel it necessary to form a guard around the entrance to the Moslem enclave – maybe the police believe stopping the odd Moslem from being slapped will get them remission on their sentence of eternal damnation.
Many of the taxi drivers in the town are Moslems living that area, and hailing from Kashmir or Pakistan, and I have to say I have found many of them to be polite and nothing like the scum on the clip. Some, however, have told me their enclave is now being polluted by immigrants, from Somalia and Eastern Europe, and “what used to be a good Paki area” is being ruined by our open door immigration policy. I’m not joking.
This lot on the clip are odious, yes, but i think they are low quality types, low on courage and on brain power. They are certainly not a comintern or a fifth column, although with the weaklings we have in the police and govt, it doesn’t take anyone as tough and resourceful and the Soviets or Nazis to wreck the country.
Anne Wotana Kaye screams to Publius:
“IF IT’S TOO HOT IN THE KITCHEN, GET OUT! ;-0”
Don’t worry, AWK, I am out of here. Both you and your soul-mate Verity remind me of Swift’s famous spider. You have spent too long consuming venom and vitriol until you can do nothing more than spew it out. Even so, advocating mass murder (and yes, you both know what you were doing) has surpised and disgusted me.
You are right. I do not belong here in your ‘kitchen’. If this was the kind of thing The Spectator decided to discontinue on its Wall, then I am glad of it.
As for your soul-mate Verity, in all her endless output I have never seen anything but hatred. Even her attempts at humour are hate-filled. And she has the gall to accuse me of being ‘untethered’. Dear God spare me from ending up like you two unnatural harpies.
Publius, darling … your comment “I do not belong here in your kitchen” is typically inept. “The kitchen” is what call my microwave.
“Dear God spare me from ending up like you two unnatural harpies.” Well, at least you’re not unrealistically ambitious.
Tee hee.
Austin Barry: Just had a peep. It’s gawn.gawn. gawn! ;-(