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Wakey, wakey!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGnZxcS7VKA
Or better still:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=Fe_HtA5zw9U
But maybe not this:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5wxs49AuPg&feature=related
Aned once you’ve woken up, just play this in the background all day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pSyYhRYeIM
Can someone explain in either technical terms, or even psychological terms, why the Spectator Coffee House blog comments are presented in the jumbled fashion that now obtains over there. If it’s a leftist plan to confuse the punters, it doesn’t seem to be working as Tele-various still gets savaged in every thread. He’s obviously a compulsive masochist who enjoys buckets of effluence being poured over him from a great height. Someone noted the other day that if he didn’t exist then Nicolas, Austin, et al, would have to invent him in order to maintain their relentless negation of the agitprop bilge that pollutes that blog and the MSM in general. Perhaps he is indeed that invention; a clever manufactured provocation? Any of you crafty buggers want to cough to the construct?
Hex
Loved the rain tape. Excellent. It will come in very handy.
I have long felt that much of the Spectator’s output is a provocative construct designed to advance a “modernised Tory” (e.g. centre-left) agenda at the expense of traditionalists. Check out Fraser Nelson’s most recent post on Damien Green to see a perfect example of this.
A supposedly conservative magazine that seems to give a disproportionate amount of oxygen to the left, hosting its authors, trolls, terminologies and polls, echoing its speculative propaganda and endorsing its stance on immigration.
“Hexhamgeezer 27th, 2012 – 10:43
“And once you’ve woken up, just play this in the background all day.”
Or just open the bl**dy window and listen. I’m stuck with a lawn half cut.
Frank P
August 27th, 2012 – 13:49
Hex & AWK
I hadn’t even considered the word-play possibities of a ‘bent brown Richard’, let alone a ‘bent brown dick’. (I bet he was used on dawn raids to facilitate rear entry). You made that news item up, didn’t you Anne? And introducing the Scottish play was indeed ‘wicked’. In all its possible connotations
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Frank, I swear I didn’t make it up – even my mind isn’t that dirty! So you reckon Dick Bent is also, amongst other things a Brown Hatter?
Woman who has up to 100 orgasms a DAY left in agony as even doing housework can trigger a climax
Kim Ramsey (picture posed by model), 44, a nurse from Hitchin, Hertfordshire, who now lives in New Jersey, suffers from incurable Persistent Genital Arousal Disorder.
This is in the “Daily Mail”. Is this a valid reason to employ FGM?
AGW!
Come again … ?
What’s the betting that her favourite song is this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM9Ccdx-Y6E
@AWK1 27th, 2012 – 15:00
Well, what do you expect from someone who comes from ‘itchin?
Perhaps if you take a look at Cousin Darren, you’ll understand whence the new dimension:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2194161/England-star-Darren-Bents-police-officer-cousin-arrested-stealing-cash-valuables-dead-victims-crime.html
Ostrich (occasionally)
August 27th, 2012 – 15:08
Guess she doesn’t need any ‘iching powder! :=)
Frank P
August 27th, 2012 – 15:05
Breakback Mountain? 🙂
Mountin’ who?
AWK @ 1500.
Put her in a room with Vince Cable, Chris Huhne, or Diane Abbott. That’ll cure her.
Hexhamgeezer
August 27th, 2012 – 16:12
Ugggggggggh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Frank P
August 27th, 2012 – 09:52
Wakey, wakey!
Takes me back, Billy Cotton’s Band Show, Sunday lunch time.
Frank P.
I find the Spectator site more logical; if I when entering any of the posts, I click on the tiny arrow to the right of the word ‘Discussion’ at the top of the page this gives three choices Best, Newest, Oldest, I click on the Newest so that I can read the latest posts first.
I hope this is of some help.
David Ossitt (17:00)
Thanks David; yes that does help. What criterion jiggles the ‘best’ to the top of the pile, I wonder?
“Billy Cotton”:
Did somebody steal your gal? 🙂
Frank P (17:58)
What criterion jiggles the ‘best’ to the top of the pile, I wonder?
I am note sure, but I think it is something to do with the approve or disaprove arrows and who it is that gets lots of approval votes.
David Ossitt
August 27th, 2012 – 19:23
Telemucus – Sh*t rises to the top!
Re: Wakey-Wakey,
Fergus is late this week.
It must be a doggerel bank holiday too.
O (o) 22nd, 2012 – 13:13
The news seems to be replete these days with awfully sad news, so much that it seems to have been a distant discordant drone punctuating the music of ‘Summer’. Surely this didn’t happen so frequently 60 years ago?
And this evening we have yet another three, in flat calm weather, who left the shore wearing lifejackets, albeit in a canoe of doubtful stability. Do we just wring our hands and mutter yet again, “There but for fortune…”?
Ostrich(occasionally) 23:22
Indeed, truly appalling tragedy: hope the poor little souls did not suffer overmuch.
There was a piece in the Daily Mail I noticed today about the NMC (Nursing and Midwifery Council), the body that registers Nurses. There was a bit of a puff piece about an Australian nurse who had to take a English language test which cost £125. I am not sure that I am so concerned about that since having lived in Australia is not necessarily the same as speaking and understanding English well.
What bothered me more was that the NMC insisted that it had to be fair and provide a level playing field, so all non-EU applicants had to be tested, but it does not test any EU applicants, who may indeed speak no English at all. The DM gave an example of an EU nurse trying to feed nuts to a patient with a nut allergy who had to use sign language to try and communicate with the nurse.
This may not interest many, but I thought Anne might have a comment. It concerns me that the NMC is not jumping up and down refusing to register non-English speaking EU applicants. This is its job, to supposedly protect the competency of the nursing practice in the UK. It is failing. If an Australian nurse has to pass an English test, just in case, then how much more an Eastern European nurse, who may not speak adequate English at all. But the NMC is willing to register such as these on the basis of their qualifications in nursing alone, simply because we are members of the EU. thereby putting patients at risk.
Indeed I have sent our friend, Madeline Childs, at the NMC, an email asking how patient safety is being preserved when nurses are allowed to practice without being able to speak adequate English.
PfM 28th, 2012 – 09:00
My wife (SRN & SCM) has plenty to say about it, but I can’t drag her to the keyboard to express it, because she thinks contributing to this blog is just a waste of time. Sorry!
Ostrich (occasionally)
“she thinks contributing to this blog is just a waste of time”
Much that men do is regarded as a waste of time by their spouses, it is merely par for the course.
Ask your wife what she thinks and then you contribute it?
@PfM 28th, 2012 – 10:31
“Ask your wife what she thinks and then you contribute it?”
Kind of you to think that’d work. It’s been tried before…and didn’t.
From the DT:
“Heathrow third runway: Justine Greening threatens to resign”
Anybody else hear this one-sided tirade this morning? Did you infer the above from it? I didn’t.
And if Naughtie thinks he a Paxphrys, he ain’t.
Ostrich (occasionally)
In order to persuade her that posts on this site are not a waste of time, you have to speak to your wife rationally and introduce her to the “butterfly effect” theory – see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect
In particular, she may find the following persuasive:
“If M is the state space for the map f^t, then f^t displays sensitive dependence to initial conditions if for any x in M and any δ > 0, there are y in M, with 0 < d(x, y) \mathrm{e}^{a\tau} \, d(x,y). “
Malfleur (12.09)
Or to put it more simply: shit-stirring raises a stench that sooner or later somebody has to do something about, as it tends to put a damper on the soirees of the great and good!
Mind you, they have a habit of confiscating the wooden spoons of the shit-stirrers and thereby allowing it to fester until their party is over. So we must continually think of ways of replacing the instruments of stirring and be vigilant and ingenious. The Intertubes is their next target for suppression, mark my words.
Madeline from the NMC tells me that all nurses from outside the EU are required to demonstrate competency in English to ensure that they practice safely. But states that they are nit allowed to ask EU nurses to show competency.
I knew this if course but it is interesting to see that the NMC links competency in English with patient safety and then allows EU nurses to register without showing or having any competency in English.
Are they doing anything about thus? I dont know yet. But it seems that generally speaking patient safety is not their chief interest since they are paid by nurses to register and this seems a conflict of interest. More nurses, whether they speak English or not, equals more income. A restriction on nurses registering equals a loss of income.
Peter from Maidstone
“…and then allows EU nurses to register without showing or having any competency in English.”
Or safety, presumably.
Frank P @ 12.19
I think that may be putting it a bit bluntly for the wife of a respected contributor; but, yes.
Peter from Maidstone
August 28th, 2012 – 09:
Hello, Peter
I have no faith in the NMC and do not trust their statements, which are so politically correct and empty of any substance. Testing the ability of an Australian nurse fits in with the reverse discrimination shown in all aspects of British life. The marxist establishment denies sanctuary to WHITE Africans from South Africa, Zimbabwa and other African countries, but allows in every primitive witch-doctor believer from the Congo and other filthy cesspool. The standard of British nursing, once the highest and most respected in the world, has sunk to the level of teaching, banking and all other aspects of contemporary life. Therefore it is ironic for the NMC to test applicants who are not only superior in nursing skills than the British, but also better educated, and literate, speaking a more educated English than is common here. Innit? !!! Hospitals here are a disgrace, the NHS run charnel houses and should be shut down, and NHS funds used to send sick British patients to France or Germany. Ostrich (O)’s wife has a point. I must reluctantly state that here we are preaching to the converted. The petition sent to the NMC has yielded a very limited response, and I wonder Peter, if it should be sent to that woman who writes in the name of the NMC?
EC I like my family time
It was on that August Bank Holiday
When Faisal decided to come this way
He came with a bang a bump and a boom
And in many a heart brought deep gloom
But what does Faizal want in our little town
What does Faisal want when he sends his bombs down
What does Faizal want when our mummies he kills
What does Faizal want we want to know still
A 14 year old girl in Hom
Is it just me or does the spectator coffe house blog web site crash everyone’s computer?
Body found in search for missing girl Jessica Blake Jessica Blake went missing from her home in Beverley on Saturday afternoon Continue reading the main story
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Missing girl sparks major search
Police searching for a 14-year-old girl who went missing from her home in East Yorkshire on Saturday have found a body.
Officers were called to a wooded area off Chester Avenue, Beverley, at 16:10 BST after the discovery of a girl’s body, said Humberside Police.
Though she has yet to be identified, the family of missing Beverley girl Jessica Blake have been told.
Humberside Police said the death is not thought to be suspicious.
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Noticw how little cpverage has been given.
“Humberside Police said the death is not thought to be suspicious”
Why? How did she die? Family say she was distressed. Without casting suspicions, how do police know they are telling the truth and she wasn’t murdered?
Frank P. What is your opinion?
The doctor who drew attention to the over-large number of deaths at a hospital in the west country was black-listed and had to go to New Zealand to get a job.The pediatrician at the clinic in Harringay, run by Great Ormond Street,raised concerns about childcare.After being harressed she was told to take a break for her mental health. She reseigned as did the other doctors in protest.That was why there was only an EU (Spanish?) doctor there when concerned relatives brought in Baby P.They were told there was nothing wrong;two days before he died.Great Ormond St. refuses to address this.When doctors are persecuted what can nurses do?
Male nurse asked teenage hospital cleaner, 17, to sleep with him because his pregnant wife couldn’t
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2194674/Male-nurse-asked-teenage-hospital-cleaner-17-gap-sleep-pregnant-wife-allowed-carry-working.html#ixzz24qltAN44
From the photo he looks vile. He has the nerve to complain that the girl would not sleep with him because he is black. Had he had been white, I’m sure he would have been struck off.
Radford NG
August 28th, 2012 – 15:07
Correct me if I am weong, but I believe the last ‘doctor’ to see Baby P was an Arab woman, who didn’t examine him physically as he was “cranky and dirty”. This Arab woman, so-called doctor was from that wonderful hospital Great Ormond Street, and she was employed at St Ann’s Tottenham.
Let down by everyone who should have cared: Report reveals appalling failures that led to Baby P’s brutal death
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1323804/Baby-P-report-reveals-appalling-failures-cared.html#ixzz24qoo5Iod
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This contains the details which appear in my posting above. It still is heartbreaking.
I would not go to an Arab doctor in Britain or anywhere else where a choice obtained. Chinese, Japanese or (non-islamic) Indian no hesitation. Islamic, no way.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1.
“Testing the ability of an Australian nurse fits in with the reverse discrimination shown in all aspects of British life.”
It is now said that she is an English woman who emegrated to Australia (where she learnt her nursing) who has now returned to the UK.
When she objected to having to pay the £125 for the exam she was told that there could be no exceptions, absolutely no common sense in this.
A.W.K. at 15.21pm:I don’t know the relationship of Tottenham to Harringay but I heard an interview with a doctor on the radio who had innocently raised concerns and had felt compelled to resign at the negative response.I suppose it was probably the same clinic.//……….//What is needed is the return to the standards of Florence Nightingale……not a nurse,but an hands-on administrator.If I may refer again to the free-to-view article at History Today on Mrs.Seacole and Miss Nightingale.
Blimey, I just heard what sounded like common sense being spoken on PM (Radio 4) about Tim ‘Trougher’ Yeo on the third Runway – from Caroline Lucas.
Am i I becoming a Green?
Frank S
Not necessarily; but that is one gift horse that needs a very detailed dental inspection before you accept it. Or you may well becoming very green indeed. But I doubt it, using the yardstick of your previous work. I admire your patience, btw, I almost always reach for the zapper when I hear the words Caroline and Lucas conjoined.
David Ossitt
August 28th, 2012 – 16:34
David. and you want common sense? We are living in a society which makes the life in a Kafka novel appear almost sane!
Verity: I wouldn’t even want one to clean my loo.
Radford N.G. I agree!
Forgive me if I put the Boot in again, but it’s too good to miss if you haven’t clicked in already.
http://alexanderboot.com/content/coming-soon-street-near-you
Alexander revisits the story of £1.5m gift house to a Muslim family in Fulham, as mentioned here last week.
[extract]
Every day we hear news of immigrants from all sorts of unsavoury places living in million-pound houses on the taxpayer. One recent story involved Fulham, to which I self-servingly pay more attention than to any other London borough.
A Muslim family of five moved into a £1.5-million semi, to which, according to the mother, they ‘have every right’. It’s good to see that recent arrivals adapt so quickly to the language and ethos of their new land. The process however isn’t quite complete for they have yet to learn that rights are married to responsibilities. On past evidence, this, if it ever happens at all, takes longer.
[end of extract] … but read it all; he draws parallels with his French experience and, as always, entertains with sardonic wit.
I sent this to our friend Madeleine…
Dear Madeleine
Thank you for taking the time to respond. But I have to say that your email produces great concern.
You state that it is necessary for nurses to have a score of 7.0 to be able to function competently and expertly, and that being fluent in English is a ‘principle competency’.
But when you speak of EU nurses you seem entirely willing to accept a position whereby no such competency can be required. But you have stated that it is a ‘principle competency’.
Therefore there seems to be a situation whereby the NMC is not protecting either the quality of the register of nurses, nor the safety of patients in the UK. It is surely not enough for the NMC to state that it is not allowed to require English language competency of EU nurses. If the register and safety of patients were as important to the NMC as it should be then it would not be silent in the face of such a situation and would be insisting loudly that EU nurses must also be required to be fluent in English.
It is reasonable to question whether the NMC is properly independent, since it clearly derives its income from the registration of nurses, and therefore maximising the number of nurses who are registered, even if they are not competent. You yourself have described that being fluent is a ‘principle competency’ and yet you are failing to require this. There can be no excuse for the NMC to hide behind any employment law since the NMC is especially tasked with preserving the quality of the nursing register and patient safety.
I am sure that it has not yet seeped into the public consciousness that the NMC is failing to ensure that even as important a competency as English language fluency is not ensured, but as it becomes increasingly clear I can only imagine that questions willbe raised about the purpose of the NMC.
Can you point to any serious activity of the NMC to ensure that EU nurses are required to have English language fluency?
Best wishes
Peter
ISLAM :the untold story; Channel 4 (UK) ,@9pm tonight.—-So, who was this chap Muhammed the Prophet?Not an obvious question or answer.It is only now the matter has been addressed by secular liberal western academics [in Cambridge and Chicago].They find the first mention of the name to be 60 yrs. after his reported death and the accounts of his life come from Baghdad 170yrs.after his death.It is suggested the story of Islam and the Qu’ran was created by Arab war-lords to their own political agenda. The Qu’ran was the word of God,and you can not argue with that ;and the top war-lord was the Khalifat Allah-the Deputy of God-so you could not argue with him (and The Prophet was safely dead).This should be an interesting programme;possibly in the Chinesse meaning of the word ‘interesting’.[Rpt. 29 Aug.9pm on 4seven(UK).]
Peter from Maidstone
August 28th, 2012 – 19:05
Peter that is an excellent letter. Do you think it is worthwhile sending the Petition to her? Do you think it will give her a jolt, or is her complacancy so ingrained, there is no hope?
Considering Tim Yeo’s personal history, one should ask him “Are you a man or a rabbit”? Dug up some ‘dirt’ on Google about this not so fragrant MP.
Dear Anne
I would email Madeleine and say that a petition has been launched and describe why. It might shake someone.
The trouble with the Government petition system, and all such systems, is that it is not enough to create a petition, but the petition must be waved in front of more people than ordinary folk like us can usually reach. So the Virgin Rail petition to debate the loss of the franchise has very quickly indeed reached 157,000 signatures. If a newspaper will support a petition it can perhaps reach the necessary levels, bit without something like that it is very hard.
I am trying to find the Daily Mail journalist who wrote about this and ask what more they are doing.
“an Australian nurse who had to take a English language test which cost £125.”
Peter, it works the other way round too. It’s a real money spinner for the Aussies. My son had to take the same English test, at the same cost, as a condition of getting his Aussie sponsorship & residency visa. He also had to pay £250 for full medical tests at their nominated clinic. All told he’s spent about £5K on getting that valuable “right to work and remain indefinitely” stamp in his passport.
@EC 28th, 2012 – 19:42
Yes, you need to shade in the whole picture before forming an opinion.
But it doesn’t make it seem any less daft…in either direction.
“I am trying to find the Daily Mail journalist who wrote about this and ask what more they are doing.”
You could try melanie@melaniephillips.com
She was writing about hospitals and nursing standards a while back. It is a subject she cares about deeply. I’m sure that if you asked her nicely, at the very least, she’d “Tweet” the details of the petition to her followers – see @MelanieLatest.
She’s on holiday now, but she’ll be back on the case next week.
I’ve emailed the journalist from the DM who wrote today’s piece. So I’ll let you know if he replies.
EC, I don’t actually mind all nurses from all backgrounds being required to show competency in English, since as the NMC tells me, it is a ‘principle competency’. What concerns me is that when it comes to EU nurses the NMC suddenly fails to consider this a ‘principle competency’ and lets anyone in. And they don’t seem to be doing anything to force the issue.
O(o) @19:49
Yes it is daft, particularly when the test at Bogfordshire Uni was administered by a Chinese national!
@PfM 28th, 2012 – 09:00
There was a bit of a puff piece about an Australian nurse who had to take a English language test which cost £125. I am not sure that I am so concerned about that since having lived in Australia is not necessarily the same as speaking and understanding English well.
Isn’t it funny that the main screaming issue over the weekend has been whether the goalposts have been moved to make it a bit more difficult to gain a ‘C’ grade in English language at GCSE. Listening to the “English” spoken around me in shops, buses and on the streets, I fear that many of the indigenous population might have a problem with both GCSE and the English exam used by the NHS..
I was driving home today, from a visit to Bluewater with my wife and daughters, and I was thinking about this.
First of all I thought that if we restricted those EU and non-EU nurses who wanted to practice but could not speak English then we would have a shortage of nurses. Then I thought about how the NMC and the RCN have been complicit in making nursing completely unnecessarily a degree level profession, thus excluding the large number of young British women who might make excellent nurses, trained mostly on the job, and spending most of their time caring for patients rather than seeking to add to their qualifications and move into management as quickly as possible.
If we returned to the nursing structures, training and practices of not so long ago we might perhaps end up with a not half decent NHS as far as nursing was concerned. Making every nurse a management aspirant undermines nursing care as few people, receiving a university training, and going on to get an M.A. want to wipe people’s bottoms.
PfromM – It’s all part of the programme to make everyone think they have “qualifications” and vote for the party that created this wondrous state of affairs. “If it had been the same old party, I would just have been a nurse’s aid, emptying bedpans, but now I am a nurse-specialist in anal and vaginal hygeine. And I fill in reports.”
Here’s one for the window-licker and his crew:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/08/israeli_judge_dismisses_damage_suit_in_death_of_rachel_corrie_but_ny_times_still_clings_to_the_myth.html
He’s sulking over at t’other Cawfee Hoose, waiting for the inevitable down ticks and buckets of effluence to sate his craving for martyrdom. He’s a hero – volunteering to be a faux-troll on a patch that panders to his every sinew. It’s a perfect symbiosis – the punters need a receptacle for their ire and he enjoys being the butt of their contempt – and I do mean the butt.
Anne WK
About Jessica Blake: dunno Anne. I suspect she may have left a note announcing her intentions and then carried them out. Have to wait and see on this one. At least they found her this time. I don’t know why the cops make these premature statements. All they have to say is that investigations have not yet been completed and that more details will be available after an autopsy and the subsequent inquest. Nothing whatsoever to be gained by announcing half-baked conclusions. Far too much pandering to 24/7 news and the public’s ‘right to know’.
The inevitable silly-season shtick about wild dangerous animal on the loose/killer whale off Cornwall. It’s almost a ritual now.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/essex-lion-revealed-the-ginger-cat-1283131?google_editors_picks=true
Frank P
August 29th, 2012 -0020
The inevitable silly-season shtick about wild dangerous animal on the loose/killer whale off Cornwall. It’s almost a ritual now
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So is he a man or a mouse?
Aye Anne, there’s a moos loos in the hoos!
On the other hand, there’s a big pig, who should be in the brig.
Yo! Yeo – Dellers and Guido have exposed your porkies:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100178295/tim-yeo-mp-even-when-hes-right-hes-wrong/
Wonderful illustration! Top marks that man.
And to fully source Sebastian’s Speccy Steinbeckian caption for his Yeo skit, to Rabbie Burns:
“The best laid plans of mice and men gang aft agley”
Sharp cat that Delingpole.
“They don’t like it up ’em, Mr Mainwaring”.
On the other hand, perhaps they do.
Bully for Lord Paddy:
http://www.zimdiaspora.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9313:northern-ireland-mp-resigns-after-comparing-gay-sex-to-bestiality&catid=38:travel-tips&Itemid=18
WTF is going on??
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2194726/Matthew-Cherry-Police-officer-punched-pregnant-partner-stomach-cause-miscarriage-raid-home.html
As the case is sub judice, I will curb my comments for now.
Frank P
August 29th, 2012 – 01:23
Beilliant, Frank!
Had to restrain myself from laughing aloud and awakening the neighborhood.
Radford NG 28th, 2012 – 19:18
“ISLAM :the untold story; Channel 4 (UK) ,@9pm last night.”
I must’ve been naive to think this programme was going to be any less disappointing that it was. Could’a done it in an hour if it hadn’t been padded with 25mins of commercials.
I couldn’t watch it last night, but was going to catch up with it. Can you review it?
Ostrich/Radford/Peter
I watched most of it, missed the beginning. An young, rather wet, academic looking for hard evidence of how Islam began and finding none; what we all knew from our own researches confirmed; the followers of Islam have been conned. As with all other religions, I fear.
It’s what you WANT to believe that comforts you, justifies your claims to ‘worthiness’ and induces resentment against ‘infidels’ of other persuasions ; seems to me that all creeds ultimately curtail your ability to think freely and base your life on experience and common sense rather than priest-ridden myth and ritual designed to suppress the hordes and brain-wash the gullible in order to exercise power and accrue wealth. In days of yore all tyrants recruited God to help them build empires. In modern days the power hungry are using secular ideology – the new religion – to con the plebs. Ecrasez l’infame!
I made a point of not watching the TV programme on Islam. They infiltrate into too much of our lives, and having to see and hear them daily in the streets, shops and various venues, I would be a masochist to choose to ‘bring them’ into my living room.
Lol. Thanks for the review Frank, although I’d have to say that your description of my faith is based on as much utter ignorance as any of the big name athiests.
If I wanted to make up something that comforted me I don’t think I’d make up the God I know. And the idea that I, as a Christian, consider myself ‘worthy’? Based on what? I know you were just ranting. But even so. I don’t think you have much knowledge of real Christian faith. You suggest I am lacking common-sense and am brain-washed so that my bishop can accrue wealth? He’d be surprised. I don’t know how I manage to get out of bed in the morning since I am clearly so stupid.
Just sayin’
PfM 29th, 2012 – 11:29
I think I’m still forming an opinion about it, which is why I shouldn’t have read Ed West in today’s DT! But his review seems to be reasonable, although he views it more positively than I did. The contention that, “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” seemed to be bandied around a lot as an excuse. Given that Jewish and early Christian writings are still frequently being discovered in Palestine and Jordan, despite no serious attempt at preservation, the absence of Mohammedan writings from the early/mid 7th century is a strong cause for doubt.
Did it mention the early Koran editions found in Malawi (?) which seemed to predate the standardisation of the modern text?
Theodore Dalrymple (late, I believe, of the Sp……r, is alive and well and publishing at Salisbury Review:
“A friend of mine recently gave a lecture at a university and sent his bill for his (modest) expenses. He received by return a form asking him, in order for him to be paid, for his race, religion and sexual ‘orientation”
Read on at: http://salisburyreview.co.uk/Blog_Theodore_Dalrymple/Entries/2012/8/24_The_Insolence_of_Office.html
This is a useful commentary on corresponding with bureaucrats, with tips for dealing with, for example, Ms. Madeleine (see above). in particular by drawing attention to them “as welcome to them as kitchen light switched on to nocturnal cockroaches” (see also Frank P 28 August @ 12.19).
I was trying to check if Mr. Dalrymple has published recently at the other place and came across what may have been one of his last pieces there which appeared on 18th May 2011.
Many of our staple contributors posted and some whom I have not unfortunately seen here, recently if ever, such as Kennybhoy. The article is entitled “Against Vulgarity” and Frank P expresses a hope that Miss P. Middleton would get her bottom fondled = no wonder we were thrown off the Wall…
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2011/05/against-vulgarity/
The rallying cry in the short piece in the Salisbury Review is in the final paragraph:
“If any semblance of our freedom is to be preserved, the dictatorial idiocy (and, I fear, wickedness) of our bureaucracy should be constantly exposed to public mockery and reprehension, before it becomes too powerful for us to dare to do so.”
Perhaps an interview with Mr. D., if we can come up with some interesting questions?
Frank P @28th 2356
I wonder if you’ve heard any interviews with her mother who’s main objection to her death is that Corrie was an ‘activist’ and so deserving of special protection as she sought to achieve a ‘Home fit for Hamas’.
You learn something new every day and reading the judge’s summary that the idiot wasn’t actually crushed by the ‘dozer as the media party insinuate but partially covered by a pile of muck and she died later.
I’d pay a tidy sum to a reporter who would ask her relatives why Corrie chose that cause, amongst the hundreds available around the world. Closer to home she could have campaigned against Latin American drugs cartels, for San tribes in southern Africa, hill country Burmese, refugees on the Burma/Thai border, the Uighurs et bloody cetera. What was it about the subsidy junky militants that prompted her to go there – why did she see Gaza as the ne plus ultra of causes?
Stupid stupid girl.
Hexhamgeezer
August 29th, 2012 – 13:37
You have it in a nutshell, Hexhamgeezer.
Not only was she a stupid, stupud girl, but the Hamas saw her coming. They collect ‘useful idiots’ from, the West, and they are usually females who fulfill more than one task!
Frank P 12:12 — “seems to me that all creeds ultimately curtail your ability to think freely and base your life on experience and common sense rather than priest-ridden myth and ritual designed to suppress the hordes and brain-wash the gullible in order to exercise power and accrue wealth.”
No, no! A huge, gigantic religion, Buddhism, teaches you to seek the truth out yourself, and judge for yourself. You already know all the univesal laws if you think deep enough. In other words, the truth is in everyone and they need only look for it. (And Christ also said, “Seek and ye shall find.”)
Other than Jim Jones’s outfit, voodoo, Mormonism and a couple of others, most religions do seem to encourage people to seek the truth … although most people are too lazy and would rather be told. Then, of course, you get the Rachel Corrie tendency.
Hexamheezer, you make a very good point. What was wrong with all the other causes she could have supported? OK, the Latin American drug cartels may have been a bit bossy and she would have disppeard quietly with no publicity. Ever.
Refugees on the the Burma Thai border could have worked for her as they have an interesting and attracting line in clothing.
But let us face it. The human pancake was a self-serving attention-seeker. Did she really think a bulldozer could stop on a dime? And what was her ridiculous gesture of going up against a bulldozer, the driver of which couldn’t even see her, supposed to accomplish?
Truly a human pancake.
Peter .. Peter.
Appending a description of ‘rant’ to my quite straightforward assessment of the effort (and failure) of the ‘young wet academic’ to discover the undiscoverable, buried in the sands, the camel-shit and the bigotry of centuries of bloodshed and brainwashing, rather illustrates my point. Seems that anything you don’t agree with is a rant. I’m a ‘don’t know’ man myself, not an atheist, as I have explained often before. I don’t ask that you change your beliefs; I don’t even ask that the Muzzies abandon their faith in their view of an Almighty first cause, as long as they don’t use it as a platform to invade my patch and upset my applecart. And you assume too much by suggesting that I’m ‘entirely ignorant’ of your faith. One reads between the lines and there is other more tangible evidence of it lying around for those of a curious nature and the Google engine. But my general disapproval of all religions that have indeed accrued wealth and power over ages is not a personal attack on your beliefs, whatever they are. And I’m not enamoured of the ‘big name atheists, either. As to their ‘ignorance’ or otherwise – I remain the ‘don’t know’ camp and unless somebody comes up with something more convincing than the abstruse bollocks purveyed by most ‘holy men’ I have encountered, I shall remain so.
Just sayin’
Anne Wotana Kaye 1.
“and they are usually females who fulfill more than one task!”
You can bet on that.
Verity (15:13)
It’s not the religions, it’s the buggers (often literally) that run them that are the problem. I unfortunately seem to have missed the Buddhist brigade during my interface with both the godly and ungodly around the Western World. As I’ve never wandered farther East than the Austria-Hungary border – that would probably explain it. Anyway, they’re not a pushy lot, are they? From they way you describe them, they seem of a decent persuasion. Thing is folks, having spent not only my three-score-and-ten, but also an eight year bonus (with the concomitant penalties accrued by living too long) avoiding getting nailed by either the bible or the Koran, I’m unlikely to be redeemable in the eyes of whoever it is that adjudicates on these matters. And you know what? Given the potential population of the heaven claimed by most priests I have encountered, I don’t think I’d even apply for membership, never mind be accepted. Christ! I even refused to join the Freemasons, when in my line of work it was almost de rigeur. 🙂
Rachel Corrie – a martyr to her own vanity.
Frank — I don’t know. I lived in Indonesia, which is something like 98% muslim, yet the muslims get no special favours in law. They have Pancasila … one law for all, and they stick with it.
When I first went to Jakarta, on Fridays, there were, of course, the usual cars double-parked on the pavements outside the mosques, underneath the NO PARKING signs, and double parked on busy streets that had NO PARKING signs, and blocking entrances to garages, etc. And the traffic police sailed by. And I thought, “Hmmmnff!!!”
But then, on Sundays, outside churches there were cars parked illegally on pavements, double parked on busy streets, parking blocking people’s garages, etc., and again, the traffic police sailed by with a blind eye. Sometimes, some Chinese celebrating something, would put little rows of chairs out on the street and a little stage up and perform something. Again, when they saw it, people would just back up and take an alternate route. No one called the cops.
The friendiness between the religions was very touching. The traffic police sailed by on their motorcyles unseeing. But if you called about a crime, they were on your doorstep within five minutes. Also, if you call and say you know where an orang utan is being kept as a pet, they are also there in minutes. So they have their priorities right.
Very nice people in Java. (I know some of the outlying islands are bonkers.) But Sumatera is also very nice and they have a wonderful, well run orang utan rehabilitation centre where they teach them to live in the wild again. Also, it has the largest Buddhist monument in the world, Borobudur, and they are very proud of it and keep it beautifully maintained.
Indonesia is a very nice country and, as I say, don’t force islam down anyone’s throat and they have no official religion, despite having 100m muslims.
PfM 29th, 2012 – 13:00
“Did it mention the early Koran editions found in Malawi?”
No, it dotted around a few places, but pretty well all in the ‘Near/Middle east’ (bit of a broad definition.)
Borobadur … a huge ancient Buddhist monument in Indonesia, beautifully maintained by the muslim government.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Borobudur&num=100&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=efR&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=g0I-ULHmM8n22AWy-4HgDA&ved=0CEoQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=590
Unlike the Arabs who slashed the noses off stone horses fashioned by Buddhists in some SEA country because allah doesn’t agree that humans can create anything that is perfect … I think it was Viet Nam. It may have been Cambodia.
Malfleur @13.34
That’s a new frontier in the expanding arrogance of bureaucratic bllx and good that the jobsworths caved in. The reason they did so, I suspect, is that that it is not yet illegal to refuse to fill in ANY form which asks for your ethnic composition and the knobs knew it so they backed down. They would be on a losing wicket if they stuck with the demand and held the money ‘hostage’.
Unfortunately not all official forms remind folk that they are not legally obliged to complete those sections and so most people fill them in as we are generally compliant when we think it’s ‘The Law’.
The explanation that the information ‘was no longer needed’ by HR is an outright lie. It was never ‘legally’ needed but is still ‘needed’ by the HR Stasi for box ticking purposes.
The main point of the article is a good one because you can apply it to all officialdom. As soon as someone refuses something on the grounds of rules or elf and safety I always agree with them but ask, for future reference, for evidence for their decision. I always ask for the section of the regulations or the law that they are applying. They cant legitimately refuse to disclose what they base decisions on and, if as is usual, they are making it up you get your way. this works a treat with big companies as well as long as you keep reminding them that you agree 100% with the decision – its just that you need the evidence so you can spread the word, and all your friends and family can benefit.
Hexhamgeezer
August 29th, 2012 – 18:53
Please advose which sections we are not legally compelled to fill in. Sexual orientation – can one refuse to fill that in? Name and and address of next of kin? Name and address of doctor?
Channel 4 documentary on Islam was a bit shallow,compared with articles from Tom Holland in popular history magazines,but seems to have stirred some interest judging by ‘comments’ @ The Telegraph and C.4’s own site.//…//The Muslim scholar justified lack of accounts re Mo. by claiming stories of Jesus and Moses were not written till 100s of yrs. after,which is not so re. Jesus. Mark was an eyewitness(at least from what I remember from The Rev.Mr. What-was-his-name’s Eagle comic).Luke and Paul were clearly in contact with The Apostles ;Paul in conflict with Peter over religious matters.
Well said, Frank.
Peter, your next book should be on Christianity and what makes it relevant to the world today – something that all Archbishops of C*ntbury of recent years have singularly failed to do. The Dalai Lama has written several books, some of which are very good indeed. “The Universe in a Single Atom” is particularly good.
Frank P – August 29th, 2012 – 15:47
Frank your post calls to mind Groucho Mark’s comment about not wanting to be a member of a club which would have him as a member…
The Dalai Lama is an outstanding thinker and is a lucid writer and speaker in English. He is also an incredibly powerful presence.
AWK @ 19.10. The race and sexuality stuff is not obligatory or legally enforceable (as in malfleurs linked article) . Ignore it or fill it in however you feel like on the day – like ‘frinstance you might feel a bit like a Pakistani homosexual transgendered atheist. If so – put it in. If the form specifically states it is a legal requirement then it is (as per passports, insurance or legal contracts), otherwise it’s up for discussion i.e Is this relevant?.
I thought that the modern messiah was Julian Assange. Mind you, according to Malfleur and others, his attempt at a second coming does seem to have landed him in an awful spot of bother.
… I’ll get me coat.
Islam Documentary
The documentary did not unfortunately air where I am; but the debate about the existence of Mohammed, regardless of what is said about him in the Koran, was given focus earlier this year by the publication of Robert Spencer’s book “Did Muhammad Exist?”.
Here is a debate on JihadWatch posted on May 30th this year between Mr. Spencer and the American historian, David Wood, which addresses the question in a professional (i.e. non-polemical) manner:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/05/robert-spencer-and-david-wood-debate-did-muhammad-exist.html
Mr. Wood, by the way, draws the interesting distinction between things which are embarrassing to muslims now in the story of Mohammed which would not have been embarrassing to 7th century Arabs, but also to things which were embarrassing to 7th century Arabs in that story but which remain part of the historical record (thus tending in Mr. Wood’s view to confirmation of Mohammed’s existence because if someone were inventing Mohammed, as Mr. Spencer speculates, it would be unlikely that he would include “facts” that tarnished the image of the created persona – such as his suicidal tendencies and the matter of Mohammed’s receipt of the “Satanic Verses”). Mr. Spencer asserts that there are no early, multiple, or independent sources of evidence for the existence of Mohammed and that in the areas and records of the peoples conquered by Arabs purportedly motivated by Mohammed and the Koran there are no contemporaneous references to the Koran, to Mohammed, to muslims or indeed to any religion either by those people or by the Arabs themselves.The entire religion, argues Mr. Spencer, including Mohammed is a post facto construct aimed at delegitimizing its rivals, Judaism and Christianity.
This is an interesting video, but you will need to set aside a little time if you wish to watch the whole thing.
Hexhamgeezer
August 29th, 2012 – 20:20
Thanks!
Maybe Aisha made the whole thing up.
We are visiting Britain this week from the US and it really does feel like something out of Orwell.
The number one issue everywhere we’ve been is mass immigration.
So what’s the number one news story? Building a new runway at Heathrow.
This from a party elected to control immigration.
In other words, our fat chums want some more cheap labour, let’s let even more people in.
What’s culturally conservative about that? But then the death of cultural conservatism is what has driven so many people away.
All that matters is a few more quid for Mr Slippery and his chums.
The mood that I detect is that at least one of the runways at Heathrow should be closed and what is left used for one-way traffic out of the country.
The mainstream media know what the true story is: that people are fed up to the back teeth with mass immigration.
But they are just Mr Slippery’s sock puppets, staging a pantomime argument over Heathrow to try to use that to deflect from the real issue: mass immigration.
The Spectator and The Telegraph both know that is the number one story and now simply see their role as to suppress it.
There is now next to no funding for the Conservative Party. All that props it up like a cadaver is the mainstream media. It doesn’t actually exist in anything other than a spin form.
It is an illusion. No money. No grass roots.
They ask why no one likes them and instead of listening to the real answer, tell themselves that they are not multicultural enough. And then recruit the Barclay buffoons to help them.
The sooner this party is destroyed, the better.
Jo 21:24 — Yes, I think that is about the size of it. A very good summing up.
The question is, why are the British (the Anglo Saxons and the Celts – not ethnic immigrants with an inexplicable right to vote in our elections) tolerating this? Are they really that susceptible to persuasion by Britain’s degraded media … especially the Fifth Column BBC?
@EC 29th, 2012 – 20:28
“… I’ll get me coat.”
Nah…hang around. We need humour like that.
Noa (19:31)
You goddit! 🙂
Mary Ellen Synon, an excellent blogueuse at the DM, writes about horrific goings on at the US Dept of Homeland Security:
“Suzanne Barr, the chief of staff of Immigrant and Customs Enforcement for Homeland security, is ‘on leave’ following sworn affidavits made by two male employees.
The men allege that Barr and another top official engaged in ‘lewd’ behavior. They said that the boss of the department, Janet Napolitiano, turned DHS into a female-run ‘frat house’ in which male staff were routinely humiliated and on the receiving end of ‘sexually charged games.’
More, it is alleged that Napolitiano gave a promotion to Dora Schriro over the heads of more qualified men due to Napolitiano and Schriro’s long standing, err, ‘relationship.’ (Napolitiano says she’s not gay, but questions are being asked.)
And on and on. As I say, if only half of it is true, the highly sensitive and dangerous DHS is being run by sexually-aggresive dingbats.”
http://synonblog.dailymail.co.uk/2012/08/femin-nazi-dingbats-officials-get-okay-to-amass-a-vast-ammo-cache.html
AWK re. the petition – these e-petitions take a long time to gain momentum, so be patient 🙂
Do keep all the usual polemnicists in the loop – Mel P, Peter Hitchens, Dellingpole….
You will get there eventually.
I don’t think contributing to this site is a waste of time. This is a propaganda war and this site will help bring more and more malcontents out of the woodwork to join us.
As Maggie T said: ‘Marxists get up very early in the morning to further their cause. We must get up even earlier’
Small acorns and all that…
This site, provided through the generosity of PofM, needs a bit of notoriety. I think we need to get up a lefty’s nose, big time. Then the Grauniad can complain about us and the hit rate will skyrocket. Need to keep it legal though.
Who shall we irritate first. Let’s really mess some lefty’s head up. I say we start with Stephen Fry. He’s Twitter mad, so the exposure would be immense.
Dean Street @ 00.54 & JO @ 21:24
In view of Jo’s post, perhaps an interview with Tommy Robinson after his visit to Walthamstow on Saturday might assist. Can we do videos here by the way?
After posting at 01:19, I decided to check the EDL site to confirm that the demonstration in Walthamstow is still on for Saturday (it is). I took the opportunity to read another article which provides material for ‘nose interventions’ of the kind Dean Street is suggesting.
http://englishdefenceleague.org/labour-mep-linked-to-racists-and-islamic-terrorists/
An MEP, Richard Howitt, is attempting to have the EU parliament investigate the invitation to Tommy Robinson and others such as Mark Steyn to address it last month at the Brussels Conference.
Note that the article provides the following link to Harry’s Place where an analysis of some of the engagements of EU MEP Richard Howitt is made illuminating links between the Labour Party, represented by Mr. Howitt, and Neo-Nazis and the islamic terrorist organization, HAMAS.
In view of these alignments, is Mr. Howitt’s continued membership of the Labour Party and his role as a Labour Party MEP really consistent with Labour Party principles ? Can we get a spokesman for the Labour Party to take a position on this?
http://hurryupharry.org/2012/07/10/hate-meetings-in-parliament/
The umbrella organization which gave unreformed reprobates like Mark Steyn and Tommy Robinson a platform in the EU last month is the International Civil Liberties Alliance. See:
http://www.libertiesalliance.org/
It appears that at last, somebody is brave enough to write something other than a knee-jerk, horrified condemnation of everything that Anders Breivik stands for –
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/9507402/French-writer-says-Anders-Breivik-was-what-Norway-deserves.html
It will no doubt horrify Liberals and leftists that I should think such a thing, but to my mind the Norwegian court was correct on one point – Breivik is very far from being mad. I think that his fears and reasons for his actions are completely rational.
But I wish I could feel more hopeful that our own, kindred population will eventually recognise this – and grasp the danger that Islam poses for our civilisation and the dire need for the presence of Islam in our midst to be removed.
Dean Street
August 30th, 2012 – 00:45
Sometimes it’s hard not to feel gloomy, but you are right. Thanks.
Malfleur and Hexhamgeezer:…….Questions on race and sex probably come from government DIVERSITY laws and regulations which are imposed on organizations taking government funding or seeking public contracts.It’s government requires gay/lesbian/transgender equality.
Radford @ 6.39.
Thats true for a lot of those requests. They have to ‘prove’ their ‘inclusivity’in various areas otherwise, say, Lottery funding is withheld – one of the many ways in which social engineering is enforced. All very laudable sometimes but still an imposition on individuals trying to put them in boxes. One aspect of this that lefties dont consider is that some ‘ethnic’ staff feel very uncomfortable filling these things in when asked at work. For those who wish to meld with all others it is an unwanted reminder of ‘separation’ when they spend their time not thinking about it and always wish to be considered as ‘staff’ rather than ‘ethnic staff’
Hexhamgeezer
August 30th, 2012 – 08:
More questions. please forgive me! If an agency that receives a crtain amount of government aid (housing association) sends a form requestng the names and addresses of next of kin, and doctor with these details, is it compulsory to reply?
Dean Street
August 30th, 2012 – 00:54
Dean, you wrote the following, and I think it is a good idea:
“This site, provided through the generosity of PofM, needs a bit of notoriety. I think we need to get up a lefty’s nose, big time. Then the Grauniad can complain about us and the hit rate will skyrocket. Need to keep it legal though” .
I considered this and thought of a posting here by Thornton Herbert Thornton:
Herbert Thornton
August 30th, 2012 – 04:00
“It appears that at last, somebody is brave enough to write something other than a knee-jerk, horrified condemnation of everything that Anders Breivik stands for –
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/9507402/French-writer-says-Anders-Breivik-was-what-Norway-deserves.html
It will no doubt horrify Liberals and leftists that I should think such a thing, but to my mind the Norwegian court was correct on one point – Breivik is very far from being mad. I think that his fears and reasons for his actions are completely rational.
But I wish I could feel more hopeful that our own, kindred population will eventually recognise this – and grasp the danger that Islam poses for our civilisation and the dire need for the presence of Islam in our midst to be removed”.
I find it hard to be objective about Norway. Norway, which gets little international publicity, seeks to project an image as a peace-loving country. Few people outside it are familiar with the extreme govermental antisemitism and anti-Israeli policies of this country. Oslo is famous (or infamous) for its boycotts of all things Israeli, and behaves in a manner worthy of its famous citizen Quisling. It is for these very reasons that I find it hard to be objective about a country which is dominated by a marxist philosophy and on the one hand pretends to be non-racist, but in reality is so-pro Islam that it is completely ‘screwed up’. Anders-Breivik did a terrible thing, but was his murder of so many people really any worse than the mass destruction of a whole nation by a marxist regime? The elimination of a Christian, Western ethos to be evenually replaced by the insane, dictatorship of Islam is the ultimate aim of those in power. As Quisling sold out to the dark powers of Hitler, so modern Norway falls helpless to the rape of its people by the foul influences of barbaric mass immigrations. If Anders-Breivik has been found sane and sentenced to a long spell in prison, what punishment, if any, does the Norwegian establishment deserve?
JO
August 29th, 2012 – 21:2
Your post is very interesting; are you an American born in America, or an exile from Britain returning for visit? You write like an English person; few Americans I know would see England as you describe it through the prism of their own experience.
One point you made I must take issue with:
“This from a party elected to control immigration.”
Unfortunately the administration we have was not ‘elected’. It was cobbled together, after a ‘hung election’ under the auspices of a PR con man whose main motivation appears to have been to acquire the cachet of living in No.10 for as long as possible, in order to facilitate his wide business interests and those of his friends. In so doing he has kept none of the promises that his party ‘manifesto’ declared prior to the election, which I suppose is fair enough as not enough people voted for it to justify implementing it. So who’s to blame?
Probably a confused and fragmented society which has been subjected to half a century of leftist brainwashing through its mass media and (dis)education system.
If you are American born, I suggest you hurry back and oust the commie POTUS your similarly confused electorate put into power last time around; though the alternative candidate is somewhat stiff, “anybody but Obama” should be your rallying cry. That is if you don’t want to see a similar situation arising in the US to the one you have observed now obtains here.
As most of the renegades here seem to flick back and forth between here and the ‘other place’ would it not be useful and convenient to have its link on our blog roll, Peter? I know they’re not likely to reciprocate, given the circumstances of our bastard birth, but you could label the link ‘The New Specstatesman’ or something similarly derogatory. I’m sure other outlaws here could come up with an appropriately whimsical label?
“However, he praised Breivik’s writing and cry of hatred for social democracy, immigration and multiculturalism.”
Very little if any mention has been given to the fact that ‘Breivik’ has stated that in his opinion the purpose of the Socialist Summer Youth Camp was the Norwegian lefts equivalent to the Hitler Youth Camps.
AWK @ 9.30. Sorry a quick response. In short you are not legally obliged to supply this data. They may get awkward but if you objected – ask under what statute they are requesting it. An obligation or implied obligation they have, or consider they have, does not automatically transfer to the individual.
11:31 – Trolltopia?
Many of those on the left apologise for Islamic terrorism – or at least claim to understand it – on the grounds that many of those perpetrating it have been radicalised by the policies of the West and Israel. This viewpoint is conspicuously missing from discussion of Breivik’s crimes. If anything the argument has been that he was radicalised by Melanie Phillips and other “far-right” writers who are themselves “reacting” rather than “initiating”.
Here the left’s capacity for both double standards and hypocrisy is well understood but it seems they have neglected the cause for the effect. One only has to read the facile witterings of a certain serial troll at Trolltopia to understand how people might well become radicalised in the face of such relentless dogma. It is ironic that those who bleat most about diversity leave no room for the diversity to disagree but must instead abuse dissenters with pejoratives formed from their own narrow views. That is not healthy. Without free and open debate, however uncomfortable, there is resentment and eventually radicalisation.
“Trolltopia”: Excellent! Append it to the Spectator Coffee House link on the blogroll forthwith Peter and give that man a cigar.
Bwaaahahahahahaha.
The gruniad jumping on the sand wagon:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/aug/30/guardian-media-partner-london-games-festival?newsfeed=true
Radford NG — Just as an aside because it is importing to keep blasting this lie wide open … You write of the notion of “transgender equality”.
This is no such thing as transgender.
None. You have the DNA you were born with.
The pseudo-scientific “transgender” exists only in the mind of Peter Tatchell and his acolytes.
You cannot change your DNA.
One can “feel” that deep down you are really a man, or a woman – some obviously do – but they are not. You cannot, cannot, cannot alter your DNA. A male who has all his bits chopped off, silicone stuffed in and takes handfuls of female hormone pills daily is still a man.
This “transgender” … “gender” sounding posher and more scientific and academic than “sexual”… notion is absolute rubbish. They can wish they were the other sex. They can get chopped about and stuffed with hormones, but they are still the sex they were born. This is one more effort to create yet another lobby to destablilise the norm.
It is one more GIANT LIE.
From today’s ever excellent EU Observer: “EU in talks on more international emission deals – 29/08/2012 19:00:16
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“The EU is pressing ahead with talks on further bi-lateral carbon emissions agreements.”
http://euobserver.com/environment/117365
Who the hell is the made-up “EU” to have international agendas? This edifice needs to be dismantled and the only way to do that is for a majority of nations to resign from it. It has zero legitimacy and needs to be bombed off the political scene. Countries are perfectly able to look after their own interests without this insane organisation assuming an illegitimate controlling voice. They have no legitimacy.
Verity.
” This edifice needs to be dismantled and the only way to do that is for a majority of nations to resign from it.”
I agree, I do hope that I see the start of the dismantling in my lifetime.
11.31.
The 5th Column?
David Ossitt — Yes, but how? We know, iron-clad, that Germany for sure is not going to leave or facilitate any other country leaving.
What are other people’s opinions? If, say, Britain left (and that would only be after we got shot of Cameron and his slimy Bullingdon colleagues) would Holland go? I think yes, and perhaps Denmark.
What about the Latins – Spain and Portugal? It shouldn’t be too hard for them to go because they have the entire Central and S America to trade with, plus Mexico. That’s probably the bulk of their business anyway.
It is intriguing to think of who would go if a concerted, serious effort got underway. It would be easiest for Britain, because we have the Commonwealth and the US.
In fact, I don’t know how the hell this ridiculous construct is holding together.
@Verity 30th, 2012 – 17:09
“we have the Commonwealth and the US.”
Well, perhaps, but we p*ssed the Commonwealth off in fine style in 1973 and I don’t think they’ve forgiven us yet. And Uncle Sam views us as a broken reed, a permanent supplicant.
Ostrich (occasionally) – Yes, but we’re still trading with the Commonwealth. I don’t think the US views us negatively, other than trash like Obama. Most Americans still like Britain.
We should revivify EFTA (leaving out Sweden, which is now mainly muslim anyway), as well, as Denmark; and Holland will need someone to trade with besides Indonesia.
Wilhelm has posted link on the Spectator “Net Migration Starts to Fall” thread that should be required viewing for all serious analysts of what has occurred over the past six decades of even more: the 1958 interview of Aldous Huxley by Mike Wallace (some secondary inhalation of smoke involved, although he didn’t blow it up out asses). But seriously – an unmissable clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ePNGa0m3XA
Wonderful prescience – a classic dissertation.
Verity
“In fact, I don’t know how the hell this ridiculous construct is holding together.”
The “Gnomes of Zurich’ (or the modern equivalent) are all holding hands and digging their heels in until, they have all their bread in the deep-freeze.
And in similar vein, Boot cloggs Clegg:
http://alexanderboot.com/content/nick-clegg-wants-tax-rich-out-country
Frank P 17:41 — Absolute dynamite! Thank you so much! Huxley predicted everything that has happened, and is happening in the world we live in today – and with such lucidity of thought and such a logical path of accuracy.
I am astonished, having watched this, that he did not have more power in political circles of the day … although not really, as he was too accurate.
Thank you for this, Frank P!
(I also hadn’t realised how handsome he was.)
Verity, August 30th, 2012 – @15:40
Needs to be repeated, and 100% correct.
Q. How can one distinguish between male chromosome from a female chromosome?
A. Ask them to pull down their genes.
Frank P @ 17.41pm
Many thanks. That Wallace – Huxley interview was absolutely stunning from start to finish. Thanks also to Wilhelm. It was a pleasure to hear a really professional interviewer getting the absolute maximum out on the interviewee. [Compare and contrast with agenda laden Paxo and Squawk!]
There were so many prescient statements made by Huxley that I could have quoted, but here was is one relevant to the election of our chum Pres Mau-Mau (aka Jean Paul Luwig SSN# 042-68-4425)
“… below the level of choice and reason.”
hahahahaha! That sums up Dave and Nick too!
Hexhamgeezer
August 30th, 2012 – 12:50
Thank you for that information.
Frank P 17:41 – As Verity says, the Huxley interview is profoundly accurate – and disturbing, especially as it shows us, with such clarity, how easily human beings’ minds can be and are being manipulated.
Even by the most elementary standard, which calls for virtually all eligible electors to vote, that has stopped happening, and politicians are put into power by a minority of the people who have themselves been made incapable of rational thought. (Australia may be an exception in requiring everybody to vote, but even that seems not to be enough). Democracy has become a failure – and indeed, in effect, ceased to exist
But just as disturbing is how much, in a substantial part of the world, the manipulation of humans’ minds has also been achieved without the technological forces that Huxley identifies. The most effective ways of doing this in the past have been the techniques that have been used for centuries by Islam. But these too are now much reinforced by technology.
I think that we are heading towards a global conflict between the Brave New World forces on the one hand and the forces of Islam on the other.
I have no idea what direction China is heading in all this, but I take comfort in believing that it will never submit to Islam.
Herbert Thornton … I, too, was in awe of Huxley … both for his prescience and for his fluid articulacy. He never had to say, “Uh” or, “Well, it depends what you means by ….”. (Credit, too, to the interviewer, who never interjected with self-serving stupidities.) The interview was utterly fluid, lucid and arresting.
Re China … the Chinese are never going to go along with a world government because they are never going to share power. They are already the most intelligent race in the world (they may share this honour with the Jews … I have never seen figures), but they have the numbers and don’t need anyone else, except as customers. Although, they also have a gigantic domestic market.
And, they wouldn’t ever be in the position of submitting to an inferior race because they are smarter than them, have a higher population and are better at long-term planning than anyone in the world. Everything they plan, works.
Not ony will it never “submit” to islam, Herbert Thornton, but no such question would ever arise.
Verity
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/29/everything_you_think_you_know_about_china_is_wrong
Malfleur – Thanks. I didn’t bother to read more than half of the first page because it was in tiny type and it was only repeating old mantras.
I was the only Caucasian in the company I worked for in Asia and I have first hand knowledge of Chinese work habits, Chinese planning and Chinese management and my money is still on China.
Frank P 17:41
Thank you (& Wilhelm): riveting. That was the Britain of my dreams.
Watching the Huxley interview (thank you) it was sobering and a little sad just how “grown up” it was compared to the infantile posturings of the child-men who “grace” our TV screens now. And the cigarette being smoked – how odd that appears now. I wonder what Mr Wallace would have thought if he had been told that in just five decades he would be banned by law from doing that and even studio drink would be frowned on by the po-faced reincarnations of Hitler.
With prescience Mr Huxley might have said “I have seen the future and it is telemachus. A convaluted, twisted thing of destructive lies and self-deceit.”
Frank P 11:31
Caliphate Induction Centre
The thing that works in China is not planning. It is the chaos of the free market liberated paradoxically from communist ideology. The expatriate Chinese entrepreneurship in Singapore is a very different proposition from the vast, interconnected bureaucracy of the communist state in China which behind the facade of growth is creaking mightily. The same entrepreneurship flourished in Hong Kong and was a model for the Chinese state to follow – a laissez-faire approach to commerce – but the emergence of democracy there was resisted once that jewel was handed over to the communists. If you like making money it is a good enough model but for those who appreciate freedom it falls far short. Don’t confuse the dynamism of Chinese entrepreneurs with the state bureaucracy that permits it. The last time that did any planning there was wholesale famine and slaughter.
Well-wisher
August 31st, 2012 – 00:04
the infantile posturings of the child-men who “grace” our TV screens now.
Isn’t one of them the ghastly enfant Brian Cox? Ugh!
Well-wisher 00:18 … “Don’t confuse the dynamism of Chinese entrepreneurs with the state bureaucracy that permits it.”
You do have a good point. But are you saying that the Chinese are not capable of looking around them, judging the markets and learning?
My money is still on China.
Huxley was a pacifist, of course, moreover, his acute intellect led him into some dark places, experimenting with psychedelic junk for instance. He asked his wife to administer a shot of LSD on his deathbed apparently – he died on the same day as JFK and CS Lewis in 1963. What a weird coincidence! Kennedy’s death therefore overshadowed Huxley’s which would otherwise have attracted much more attention.
He was also one of Eric Blair’s tutors at Eton and later [publically admired his work, particularly “1984”.
A very complex character indeed, from a gifted family. I remember Julian, his brother who appeared regularly on The BBC Brain’s Trust which fired my curiosity as a youngster.
Aldous must have been regarded with suspicion by those of the Bloomsbury set (with whom he was associated), when during his interview with Mike Wallace he inadvertently (?) blew the whistle on the Gramsci/Frankfort School game plan. He and ‘Orwell’ had something else in common in that regard.
None of this detracts from the clarity of his prognostications as delineated in the Wallace interview – utterly gob-smacking with the benefit of hindsight; as has been noted by others above, the gravitas of the interview technique and the subject matter is another reminder of the depths to which television debate has plummeted in recent years.
Mike Wallace’s son Chris, A Fox News anchor, is pretty competent and looks increasingly like his Dad. The apple didn’t fall far from the tree.
Re 11:31 I leave it to Peter to judge the suggestions. All excellent, but my money is on W-W’s ‘Trolltopia’ – that would run and run – perfick!
Abu Hamza’s son stole £70,000 of gems in armed smash and grab raid on jewellers
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2195955/Abu-Hamzas-son-Imran-Mostafa-stole-70-000-jewellery-armed-robbery-Norfolk.html#ixzz2558sveLn
It’s like a saga from Greek mythology. Cut off the head of one and more grow. The trouble here, however, is that Britain supports the bastards, ‘Uman Rights, yer know!
Verity @ 23:56
“If you have a mouse with a scroll wheel, many programs allow you to increase and decrease the size of on-screen text and graphics simply by pressing Ctrl while scrolling up and down. If you want to enlarge what you see in Internet Explorer [and Mozilla Firefox] but your mouse doesn’t have a scroll wheel, press Ctrl+Plus Sign (+); Ctrl+Minus Sign (-) shrinks what you see.”
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/setup/magnify.aspx#fbid=tk_EcY_6WYk?1
Information on China is also widely available online, but access is denied to those who have closed their minds, locked the door, and thrown away the key.
Frank P 2:00 am … Fascinating, readable stuff. Thank you. I didn’t know that he was a pacifist. He came across as normal, acutely intelligent, realistic, unhesitatingly articulate, yet self-contained and knowing. Not a soppy pacifist.
That he died on the same day that Lee Harvey Oswald despatched JFK is weird, isn’t it? I mean, out of all the days in all the years … 22/11/63 … two such iconic men …
I liked the interview very much as there was no effort to charm the audience or the interviewer, and his responses were swift, insightful and rational. No idle chit chat. (I thought the interviewer excellent, too, btw, compared to today’s self-promoting interviewer/performers.)
I’m going to watch it again tomorrow. It was rivetting.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 @ 02:14
I suppose I have to research the beastly question, descending into the media sewers for the purpose, but how did this family get into England, who gave them permission, on what ground and with what benefit to the country in mind when permission was given, and why, why, why are they still here?
Loosely in this connection, the Yuan Dynasty in China (1271-1368) comprising Mongols from out of town, used muslims as advisers, no doubt effective in helping control the Chinese whom they were occupying and who were unhappy at their arrival in “Dadu”; but the dynasty forbade the muslims halal food and forced them to eat Mongol cuisine. The least we could do in our similar circumstances where the foreign, uninvited, out-of-town EU writ runs in the United Kingdom, is to require those invited here as muslim dividers of our people to eat our traditional sausage,liver, kidneys, bacon and egg for breakfast. I fear though we are too civilized…Another newspaper article today indicates that the price for burning our poppies on Remembrance Day and calling for our soldiers to burn in hell is £50; price for nailing a pig’s head to a mosque door in response to said burning etc: four months in the slammer.
AWK 1 and all other interested parties
I have begun my research on the dreadful family of Mr. Hamza. I note that the gentleman’s first son was named Mohammed Mustafa Kamel and this led me into parallel research for a story I partly remembered reading about our man in Russia during WW2.
Sure enough, the faithful Professor Wikipedia threw up the following letter which was written from Moscow in 1943 by the British Ambassador to his friend, Lord Pembroke, and the well-known text of which, on its merits, I take the liberty of quoting in full:
“My Dear Reggie,
In these dark days man tends to look for little shafts of light that spill from Heaven. My days are probably darker than yours, and I need, my God I do, all the light I can get. But I am a decent fellow, and I do not want to be mean and selfish about what little brightness is shed upon me from time to time. So I propose to share with you a tiny flash that has illuminated my sombre life and tell you that God has given me a new Turkish colleague whose card tells me that he is called Mustapha Kunt.
We all feel like that, Reggie, now and then, especially when Spring is upon us, but few of us would care to put it on our cards. It takes a Turk to do that.
Sir Archibald Clark Kerr H.M. Ambassador”
Apparently, the Ambassador used to like to quote to the Foreign Office, when they importuned him,a note of Churchill’s in response to a request for a policy statement:
“”You want a directive? All right. I don’t mind kissing Stalin’s bum, but I’m damned if I’ll lick his arse!”
Solid chap, Clark Kerr – we shall not look upon his like again; but adoption of his robust approach might be considered by the few remaining bolder spirits in the land when dealing with the Abu Hamza brigade.
Apropos of Frank P’s memories of Julian Huxley, I recall as a kid attending with a couple of other short-trousered, snakes-head-elastic-belted urchins at his house on Pond Street, Hampstead to demand, “any old newspapers”, which in those days could be sold to a rag-and-bone man for a few coppers. The door would be opened by a white-aproned maid who would invariably tell us to ‘piss off’. Had the evolutionary biologist himself appeared the sight of some diminutive, Kentish Town entrepreneurs may well have challenged his robust views on eugenics.
The murderous NHS doctor on jihad in Syria whilst on holiday from a Sth. London hospital will not be prosecuted although the authorities must know who he is;so it is suggested.Read all about it @ theweek.co.uk——and even add a comment.
“Councils have increased their number of parking attendants by nearly 6% since 2008. At the same time, 17% of local authorities have reduced the amount of free parking in their areas, figures from LV car insurance showed. The statistics, obtained under a Freedom of Information request, showed that 10% of councils have increased the number of parking attendants on duty by 20% or more.”
A cash cow to fund councils to pay their CEOs exorbitant salaries, attend Common Purpose courses and employ more socialists in social engineering non-jobs disseminating propaganda.
I have a funny old fashioned idea that the public roads and streets belong to the public who already pay various taxes that go towards their upkeep. ‘Pay and display’ has always been a council racket and has been ratcheted up in recent years, justified with nonsense about the demand for parking which in turn derives from over crowding. And whose fault is that?
In my local town the hourly parking rate is carefully contrived to ensure that people without the correct change will often over pay – “no change given”. No other commercial enterprise could work like that:-
“That will be 65p sir”
“Sorry, I only have a pound coin”
“In that case no change can be given sir.”
35p ker-ching.
They employ machines to take our money but people to police and fine us when we don’t put money in them. But of course the apathetic public swallow it all and accept the fact that public roads and streets have been commandeered by bloated councils to squeeze even more money from us.
Well Wisher @ 10.35
I was talking to an enginneer fixing one of these licensed bandits last month. He told me that the councils get the choice as to whether they install ones giving change or not. If outsourced the same applies – they get a choice.
In other words they choose to rip you off.
A serious update on Syria/Egypt/Iran.
http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2012/08/30/the-age-of-uncertainty-2/
I am meeting with the Syrian Orthodox next week and will ask for their views as people whose families are directly affected by the conflict
Clint Eastwood’s speech at the Republican Convention will infuriate the Left in general and most of the Hollywood elite in particular. The guise of a doddery old actor talking to an imaginary President with a few ribald jokes thrown in might just start something that will make my day. One of your butterfly things, Malfleur?
Thanks Peter, we now have a direct link to ‘Trolltopia’ on the blog roll and Well-Wisher’s clever and appropriate neologism has been set in concrete for perpetuity. We are fast becoming self-sufficient as a platform for the reverse Samizdat.
From this morning’s EU Observer (an excellent paper for those who don’t know it):1. EU commission gears up for banking union legislation – 30/08/2012 19:29:02
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Legislation to establish a banking union for the eurozone will be tabled on
12 September, European Commission President Jose Barroso said Thursday.
http://euobserver.com/political/117378
A “banking union for the eurozone” “European Commissioner President Jose Barroso” said.
This whole construct has to be destroyed – by which I mean, razed to the ground. And no prisoners. Especially no prisoners.
Who elected this anonymous self-important git from Spain … not exactly the centre of the global banking system? Why is he in the position to be demanding, of more sophisticated, far richer, countries, a banking union … and demanding meetings and tabling motions? Why don’t the populations of Europe tell these people to blow it out their arse? What good do they perceive of the EU? Does anyone know what the advantages are supposed to be??
Actually he’s from Portugal; he’s a pork chop not a spick. Used to be its Prime Minister before he found a more lucrative sinecure. He’s a a raving red, of course.
So what is he doing bossing successful, intelligent countries around? Why don’t they give him a letter regretting that he is no longer employed by the EU, which is in the course of being dismantled, and wishing him a happy sinecure in the Congo?
More news from the bestial cesspit that is Afghanistan.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/31/us-afghanistan-beheading-child-idUSBRE87U0J420120831
Any politician who supports our presence there is nothing short of a criminal.
The week after we have gone it will be as if we’d never been there.
Hundreds of our finest men and women have been sacrificed for absolutely nothing.
Words fail.
Hexamgeezer — Yes.
Something wicked this way comes.
Verity (16:21)
” …a happy sinecure in the Congo?”
Yeah, he could pass as a pigmy; short assed little poseur. Who will rid us of the turbulent tossers? Certainly not our our current bunch of tossers!
Hex
Perhaps (as Clint Eastwood has joined Romney’s campaign) if Mitt wins the election he will do as Dirty Harry suggests and pull the troops out of ghastlistan the next day. That would make my day. A graveyard for invading armies of all stripes. When will they ever learn … when will they ee-ver learn. Reprise to Marlene higher up the thread.
A minaret in the town where I
grew uper… spent my early years.Whatever next! They’ll be banning dogs next!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-19423334
“His actions were “blatantly designed to be insulting,” Judge Jamie Tabor said.”
er… to quote Ed Balls, “So What!”
Mr Plod said, “The message is clear that we will not stop in our determination to target criminals and keep people and our communities safe from harm.”
I hope that includes Cheltenham’s white teenage girls, but I suspect it doesn’t.
Trolltopia is offering a “Kindle” to anyone willing to complete their “Are we meeting your needs survey.”
Delete as appropriate: Irony is / isn’t dead.
Um Bongo, they drink it in the Congo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYj5o4kQsXs
The EU Commission is comprised almost exclusively of communists. Lest we forget here is Nigel Farage’s very witty “Human Audit” of Barroso’s Commissioners.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npU3g5YnD4A
Almost all the MEP’s from former Soviet bloc/Warsaw Pact countries are former hardline communists.
Further to Peter and Frank P’s discourse/intercourse(?) on August 29th.
Pat Condell’s latest: “The crisis of secularism”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyrbslXx7_c
(Incidentally, in the late 90’s Herr Ratzinger was spouting that it was Buddhism was the #1 threat to the world. Infallible or what. Mind you, he wasn’t Pope then.)
Wha???? Buddhism the number one threat to the world … in what way? Did he specify? This is utterly fascinating because, of course, Buddhism is the most pacific, calmest religion in the world. I am fascinated. What reasons did Herr Rat-zinger give?
Verity,
http://paramita.typepad.com/dharma_forest/2005/04/pope_benedict_x.html
I don’t have a problem with the followers of any religion as long as they are not proselytising, oppressive, fascist, murderous bastards seeking to take over the world. (and apart from the usual suspects, you can, to a certain extent, include the “Greens” in that too!)
In the last 100 years or so, the CofE was one of the strengths of the English(British) establishment. It, sort of, cemented the whole thing together. OK, there was a lot of attendant hypocrisy and bullshit, but it worked, it wasn’t compulsary, but it was there when you needed it.
As Frank P @13:59 intimated, the lefties are out in force denouncing Clint Eastwood.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-19434705
Why doesn’t Roger Ebert just FOAD!
EC – Thank you. I agree about the Greens being one of the fascist threats to freedom, along with islam, and that the CofE was a stabilising societal cohesive until they started allowing themselves to be chipped away at … I guess in a spirit of not appearing to be hidebound.
When, I wonder, are the politicians going to notice that the British don’t want a brutal, crude, ignorant desert religion, and all its vile habits, on their streets and in their institutions? What is their reward for tolerating what the voters have made clear they don’t want, I wonder?
@EC 31st, 2012 – 21:54
“Irony bypass”?
A case study of superior Chinese intelligence,work habits, planning and management:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financial-crime/9504692/Credit-crisis-in-Chinas-richest-province-Zhejiang.html
If you read the following, it may save you a trip today to the online Daily Mail site:
1. Blind former Home Secretary David Blunkett is barred from Paralympic opening ceremony after jobsworth told him he couldn’t take in his GUIDE DOG
2. Cameroon boxers who went missing during Olympics spotted training at South London gym
3. Pharmacist who asked colleague what her favourite sex position is LET OFF at tribunal because he had a ‘restrictive Muslim background’ [But, really! what was he doing being brought before a tribunal in the first place?]
Oh, and one for Verity:
4. German father wears women’s clothing in show of solidarity with his cross-dressing five-year-old son
Of course there’s lots more unpleasantness at the DM, but it is not good for the soul to go there too often or stay there too long; only duty calls to climb down into that sewer of news..
Todays mail on line has a story of a man being arrested and held in custody in our country. Because of a support blog he had written about the Norwegian mass murderer.
The mail has reprinted what has got him arrested, and it’s not as strong as comments and opinions posted here.
Said he has links to the E D L, so what !!!!
His quoted words are patriotic , and a wish to return our country to a better place.
Lock your doors verity .!
I think we are heading to a situation where inciting disapproval from the bien pensant leftist agenda monkeys becomes a criminal offence.
From 1997 to 2010 they managed to stack the law in their favour and politicise the police. I never thought to see, in England, a man arrested for expressing a personally held opinion but the definition of “incitement” now seems to have been widened to perfectly incorporate “incitement to disapprove”.
Theodore Dalrymple writes, perceptively, in this week’s Spectator:-
“Multiculturalism as an official doctrine, complete with enforcing bureaucracies, undermines the rule of law because it seeks to divide people, formalise their cultural differences and enclose them in moral and intellectual ghettoes. But the rule of law requires a common cultural understanding, not merely the means of repression to enforce a legal code. Once that basic cultural understanding is lost, all that remains is repression, effective or ineffective as the case may be, and experienced by many as alien and unjust. Nothing remains but conflict or surrender.”
In England our common law has been diminished by ideologically motivated (and very bad) law. But it is worse than that. The ideologically motivated law is now being politically enforced as well, often it seems to “send a message” or, to put it another way, to provide propaganda for imposed beliefs. Our fathers and grandfathers fought a war from 1939-45 to stop just that kind of repression and our politicians who urged these laws, sponsor them or just do nothing about them should hang their heads in shame.
Ostrich (occasionally), August 31st, 2012 – 23:29
Yes, in hindsight, a somewhat intemperate remark and it would have been better if I had not made it. Bloody film critics, eh.
@EC 1st, 2012 – 09:10
“Yes, in hindsight, a somewhat intemperate remark and it would have been better if I had not made it. Bloody film critics, eh.”
Well, ackshully, I thought it was the film critics suffering an “irony bypass”.
And surely intemperate remarks on this blog give it a bit of character, don’t they?
On multiculturalism one “MikeF” posted this comment on Murray’s “Boyle Test” blog at the Spectator and I think it is worth sharing here.
“Multiculturalism is a left-wing ideology that uses a supposed ‘respect’ for the sensibilities of minority identities as a cover for the introduction of authoritarian policies intended to diminish freedom of expresion. It has nothing to do with members of different ethnic or cultural groups ‘getting along’ with each other. I get along with members of all ethnicities because I am English and it is part of my culture and identity to do so – I don’t need to be told how to do it by the EHRC, the BBC, The Guardian, the Labour Party or my local council.”
Says it all. The way the left operate is to mythologise a “problem” and then legislate to “correct” it. The consequences of this are invariably far worse than the problem. Stupid or malevolent or both.
Iran Government’s Mission to Use Nuclear Weapons against Israel, the USA and European Capitals – September online edition of New English Review
This blog includes a 30 minute Christian Broadcasting Network video interview, inside an article in the September edition of English with an Iranian, Reza Kahlili, who operated as a CIA agent inside the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. Unfortunately, it does not appear that Barack Hussein Obama has yet watched it. If you don’t want to see nuclear bombs set off in European capitals you had better join me in hoping that Debka is not correct in its current edition where it reports a secret US-Russian deal to leave Israel on its own to deal with Iran’s imminent threat to develop nuclear weapons. Well worth watching in my view, but not something to make you look forward to the next few months with any equanimity.
http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/122379/sec_id/122379
The article also has a supplementary link to a very informative fuller audio interview with Mr. Kahlili about his childhood in Iran, the lowly status of the islamic clerics at that time,the coming to power of the islamist mullahs and its effect on Persian society, and “insights into the overarching Mahdist doctrine of the Islamic regime’s Supreme Leader and others” comprising the Shia leadership’s power structure and its wacky but psychotically deadly “end of times” vision, its view that islam has to destroy all non-muslims and establish a muslim world,Iran’s terrorist proxy organizations, and an account of how Mr. Kahlili came to work for the CIA.
Iran delenda est! – or, as Mr. Kalili believes,not so much Iran as the narrower target of the mullahs, the Revolutionary Guard, and the nuclear weapons development sites: the Persian people would do the rest – but without the USA doing its duty and cooperating with Israel the chances appear to be slim of this happening. We can but hope.
The most significant assertion made by Mr. Kahlil is that islamic ideology is fundamentally opposed to all the principles of western civilization.
Obama rather reminds one of Sacha Baron Cohen’s cod song ‘Throw the Jew down the Well’.
http://www.debka.com/article/22324/US-disowns-Israel-over-Iran-strike-No-weapons-or-military-backup
Austin Barry (14:12)
Thanks for the link! More dotted lines filled in. But I still fear that we have four more years of Obama; Clint Eastwood may have helped a bit to dispel the Obamyth, but the bile he skit has attracted from the far left Hollywood machine will restore the faithful I fear.
Still no spark of real life from the GOP machine. Sadly. Hope I’m proved wrong, but then again although Obama is poison, I’m afraid Romney may not be the antidote, even if he wins. One thing at a time though.
However … that’s what we said about Cameroon, wasn’t it? Perhaps the US needs another term of O to bring on the real counter-revolution, as perhaps leaving Brown in power here might have done? Now we have the prospect of MiliEd and Balls. I’m definitely voting UKIP; pointless perhaps, but what’s the alternative?
1. Banking union to put 6,000 banks under ECB supervision – 31/08/2012 19:55:40
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The European Central Bank will have the “ultimate decision-making authority” on supervising 6,000 euro-area banks, a commission spokesman has said. But Germany would like less banks included in the new system.
http://euobserver.com/economic/117388
Who the hell are they to be putting other electorates’ and other countries’ banks their unelected, unelectable, unaccountable supervision??? Bomb them now and get rid of this destructive, undemocratic, organisation. No one voted for them. In democracies, they have no legitimacy.
The time to destroy the EU is creeping by on little cat feet. Seize the moment and demolish the whole structure now.
Here is an email I received this morning addressed to hundreds of people who are fed up with being blamed for being white … the race that invented just about everything, including civil order and fair laws all over the world. It is zinging round the world. White people are pissed off. From the references, it is clear that this originated in the US, but it is neverthessless worth a mention. There is, after all, no White Police Officers organisation in Britain, the country that invented the police force.
Proud
to be White!
I have been wondering about why Whites are racists,
and no other race is……
Proud to be White
Michael Richards makes his point…
Michael Richards better known as Kramer
from TVs Seinfeld does make a good point.
This was his defense speech in court
after making racial comments in his comedy act.
He makes some very interesting points…
Someone finally said it.
How many are actually paying attention to this?
There are African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans,
Arab Americans, etc.
And then there are just Americans..
You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction.
You call me ‘White boy,’ ‘Cracker,’ ‘Honkey,’ ‘Whitey,’ ‘Caveman’…
And that’s OK…
But when I call you, Nigger, Kike, Towel head, Sand-nigger,
Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink ..
You call me a racist.
You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you….
So why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?
You have the United Negro College Fund.
You have Martin Luther King Day.
You have Black History Month.
You have Cesar Chavez Day.
You have Yom Hashoah.
You have Ma’uled Al-Nabi.
You have the NAACP.
You have BET….
If we had WET
(White Entertainment Television),
we’d be racists.
If we had a White Pride Day,
you would call us racists.
If we had White History Month,
we’d be racists.
If we had any organization for only whites to ‘advance’
OUR lives, we’d be racists.
We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of Commerce,
and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce.
Wonder who pays for that??
A white woman could not be in the Miss Black American pageant,
but any color can be in the Miss America pageant.
If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships…
You know we’d be racists.
There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US ..
Yet if there were ‘White colleges’,
that would be a racist college.
In the Million Man March,
you believed that you were marching for your race and rights.
If we marched for our race and rights,
you would call us racists.
You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange,
and you’re not afraid to announce it.
But when we announce our white pride,
you call us racists.
You rob us, car jack us, and shoot at us.
But,
when a white police officer shoots a black gang member
or beats up a black drug dealer running from the law
and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.
I am proud……
But you call me a racist.
Why is it that only whites can be racists??
There is nothing improper about this e-mail..
Let’s see which of you are proud enough to send it on.
I sadly don’t think many will.
That’s why we have LOST most of OUR RIGHTS
in this country.
We won’t stand up for ourselves!
BE PROUD
TO BE WHITE!
It’s not a crime YET….
But getting very close!
It is estimated that ONLY 5%
of those reaching this point in this e-mail,
will pass it on.
I DID!!
From the DT earlier this week: “Frankie Boyle ‘facing Channel 4 axe over Paralympic comments'”
I always thought that, rather than making jokes about somebody’s athletic prowess, the correct thing to do was to compete against them.
What? Frankie Boyle isn’t eligible for the paralympics?
‘course he is…athletics categories T20 and F20.
It is estimated that ONLY 5%
of those reaching this point in this e-mail,
will pass it on.
I DID!!
So did I.
Hey Verity was it you who turned on the Italics? How do we turn ’em off?
Ostrich (occasionally) September 1st, 2012 – 15:42
“From the DT earlier this week: “Frankie Boyle ‘facing Channel 4 axe over Paralympic comments”
This talentless nasty jerk should never ever be allowed on our television screens.
He has no redeeming features, his brand of so called humour consists of malicious comments about Margaret Thatcher, the Royal Family, the conservative party and any and all who have physical or mental disability.
Btw
White pride?
Count me in. As long as it doesn’t evolve into ‘white supremacy’. Anyway my skin is fast turning into puce parchment and eventually I’ll bet the the furnace won’t take the colour into account.
Teacher to boy late for school: “Tommy, why are you late for school?”
Boy to teacher: ” Sorry Miss – I had to help because my Mum got burned”.
Teacher to boy: “Oh Dear! I’m sorry, hope it’s not too serious.”
Boy to teacher: “Ohhh! … they don’t fuck around at the crematorium, Miss!”
O-O (15:42)
“What? Frankie Boyle isn’t eligible for the paralympics?”
Pity Danny Boyle was eligible for the proper Olympics.
No, Frank P. It came in italics in the email, with a photo of Jerry Seinfeld, and I stupidly thought … if I thought at all – I was on my first cup of tea … that once I had copied it from the email and put it onto a different section, it would right itself. Apologies to all.
But he is still right.
I TURNED OFF THE ITALICS THIS TIME AND THEY CAME ON ANYWAY!!!!!!!!!! WHAT CAN I DO?????????????????
AAAAAARGGGHH! Help, someone!
Turned off the computer and turned it back on again….
IT DIDN’T WORK! What the hell do I have to do? Buy a new computer?
Verity 15:07
A very pertinent post.
I wonder, for those working in the UK’s burgeoning Public Sector, would forwarding this email be tantamount to being branded racist and likely to engender dismissal?
Don’t panic Verity – remember we all lean to the right here anyway 🙂
Here’s something to brighten this first day of the month – which happens to be Van Morrison’s birthday:
http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/grace_notes/the_great_souls.php
I suspect I might not like his political stance, but some of Morrison’s music hits the button. Triffick graphics, too. (see Peter, I do let my imagination waft into some unlikely places, before I drag its feet back on to the ground).
I’d like to know the secret of how Vanderleun manages to get so much bandwidth into his video-clips; excellent sound!
Hello, I’ve nothing to say, being lazy today, but wanted to see if I have italics too. If not, why not???
Frank P — We all lean to the right! V good!
Italics?
bold italix?
Ok, i give up!
Experimenting with a way to get rid of italics…
but it didn’t work…
Frank P, the comments under that Van Morrison piece all appear to date from four or five years ago. No mention that I could see of Astral Weeks, the VM LP that stands out for me
No. I tried it, too, and it didn’t work. I even turned off the computer and rebooted it and … there they were…
P from M … surely you know how to get rid of thes stupid italics …. ?
The italics are due to something at the “Wall” end of things. I wonder if it will let me do this? No? Probably not. It’s one way to build up traffic – get everyone posting to see if they can turn off the itals!
I had a ‘brain wave’ – thought if I typed in italics it would appear as regular type. But, here’s the problem, this laptap doesn’t do italics. This formula should produce italics, but doesn’t: words
What can we do?? I even turned off my computer and rebooted it and it didn’t make any difference …
[i][b]{OK, trying another!}[/b][/i]
Frank Sutton (17:16)
Yes Gerard often reprises his posts on given dates; doesn’t date the music though? – Timeless!
This what you’re looking for?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ech6pZoBJ4
It’s about time the Italics had another General Election, isn’t it? Unelected EU placeman Mario Monti hasn’t made a difference, has he.
Frank Sutton
And here’s the words to read as you listen:
http://www.lyrics007.com/Van%20Morrison%20Lyrics/Astral%20Weeks%20Lyrics.html
Okay?
Good year 1968 – a lotta shit came down that year. Full throttle – won a few battles. Still fighting the feck’n war though. Aggghhh!
EC (17:58)
If they have a general erection instead they can have Berlusconi back:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnfi1WeJiag
I think that Silvo Berlusconi would make a far better PM than Cameron, Clegg or Miliband. If things are going to get worse, and they are, then at least Silvio would give us a few laughs as the Costa GB goes down. I do hope he’s well.
Frank P,
BTW was that you (aka School Teacher) taking the piss out of the squeaky voiced Sebastian Pain at the other place yesterday? This September could be a big month for him because, as a second year intern, Frasier might allow him to wear long trousers to work.
Thanks Frank P – maybe the clickin’ clackin’ of the high heeled shoes reminds of your days in the Job in Soho?
I am still working in Norway and I am learning More and more about the Muslim situation here. Norwegians don’t like it at all, they feel it’s been pushed onto them by left wing government and they don’t want it.
Sounds familiar ????
Also interesting is Sweden. I am told the very left wing governments welcomed the muslims into Sweden much against the wishes of normal swedes.
Which brings us to the question , is there ANY where that Muslims have come to that actually wanted them.
Quentin Letts in the Daily Mail raises the interesting prospect of a question in parliament about a traitor in the Foreign office briefing the French intelligence service about our EU negotiating tactics.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2196472/Did-frogs-mole-Whitehall.html
George Eustice MP (Camborne, Redruth & Hale) is to ask whether an investigation into the allegations made by an American historian have ever been investigated.
John Birch @19:25
The photos sent back from NASA’s recently landed Mars rover vehicle, ‘Curiosity,’ would indicate that you’d have to go a very long way indeed in order to get a positive answer to your question.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/53074154@N00/4983756302/
John birch
September 1st, 2012 – 19:25
And yet the electorate still elect the parties that allow mass immigration.
Surely they don’t have our postal voting systems.
I’ve been out all day at an event. I’m in now and looking at the italic situation. It arrived with an email that was pasted in and which switched italics on but did not switch them off.
EC (19:18)
Nah … Scotland, Boris, Mrs Ronnie Knight and Sebastian all telegraphed at the top of the post put my scroll key on auto-pilot. And anyway, you know I don’t operate under different aily-arses, I’m a pain in one as it is!
Particularly as they appeared to be taking the piss out of cripples!
James 102
A traitor in the foreign office , that would come as no surprise.
As well as philby and co, I think there has been a very long list of traitors in positions of power.
The damage that has been done to this country’s future by policies implemented over the last 40years would suggest it may be harder to unearth a patriot than a traitor.
Frank Sutton (19:18)
My whole memory bank seems to have been polluted by the clickin’ ‘n’ clackin’ of steel-tipped heels of one sort or another; but unless you’ve been confronted in Shaftesbury Avenue of a Saturday night, at theatre turn out, by a troupe of toms using them as weapons in a cat-fight – against a gang of bizarrely attired gender benders, similarly equipped – and attempting to usurp a Messina hustling pitch – you can’t really appreciate the myriad uses to which Salvatore Capezio footwear can be put, by ladies of easy virtue – and friends of Dorothy.
There’s hope yet, I just watched a wonderful TV documentary on BBC 2! “Who on Earth Was Ford Maddox Ford”?
AWK1 1st, 2012 – 22:51
“There’s hope yet, I just watched a wonderful TV documentary on BBC 2! “Who on Earth Was Ford Maddox Ford”?”
Good, wasn’t it? Old Yum-yum always does a good presentation.
@John birch 1st, 2012 – 21:40
“The damage that has been done to this country’s future by policies implemented over the last 40years would suggest it may be harder to unearth a patriot than a traitor.”
Exterminate – exterminate. We have been discovered!!!
(Sorry, just been watching the latest Doctor Who? Well, whoever thought it was a kids’ programme?)
The problem with the word ‘traitor’ is that it has a different meaning to the man in the Clapham omnishambles and the FCO. Or Little Nicky Clog for that matter
Frank P : I cannot possibly match your stiletto heeled pageant, so (still recalling Van the Man at his finest) I’ll let the thought drift away on the cool night air, like Shalomar.
Channel 4 history of Islam sparks flood of complaints and presenter Tom Holland subjected to torrent of abusive tweets
By Robert Verkaik
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2197021/Channel-4-history-Islam-sparks-flood-complaints-presenter-Tom-Holland-subjected-torrent-abusive-tweets.html#ixzz25I6XTAPu
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I didn’t watch the programme. Enough I have to see, hear and smell the creatures as I walk through any public place.
AWK1 @07:26
Thanks for that link , Anne. I hope that everyone on here (religious or not) will be offering up a small silent prayer for Tom Holland’s safety. The islamists are averse to clear light of day being shone on their grubby, barbarous “religion.”
EC
September 2nd, 2012 – 08:21
AWK1 @07:26
Thanks for that link , Anne. I hope that everyone on here (religious or not) will be offering up a small silent prayer for Tom Holland’s safety
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Amen!
According to Web sources today the D Mail has an interview with dave where
‘David Cameron has vowed to show his “fighting spirit” to “cut through the dither” holding back Britain.’
And what will this entail? Relaxing planning laws. That’s it. Planning.
Is this the shortest political suicide note in history? ‘Fighting spirit’?; the man couldn,t fight his way out of a paper bag. How small, how unutterably feeble, the political class has become.
If he was around in 1940 he’d be the guy insisting that the Luftwaffe submit flight plans before they turned up – or else.
Cameron in the Forties, upside down burying his head in the ground, “Beware! I’m digging for Victory”!
Hexamgeezer,
Göring was such an arrogant bastard he would have probably complied! The Germans had plans of every RAF station. I seen them – in a museum – they were incredibly detailed – as one might expect.
I have just tried to post in the other place on the ‘Baroness Warsi’ blog and am surprised to find the message “You do not have permission to post on this thread” but with no explanation.
I test posted on another blog with the same result and so I have emailed David Blackburn asking for his help.
A timely track. RIP Max:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4E2dze-x3o&feature=BFa&list=AL94UKMTqg-9A2C5bynY3uvV1-aI0afUBz
David Ossitt,
“Baroness? My Arse!” is OK, apparently.
Does anybody know if there is any way to “de-Baroness” or “de-Lord” all of these political parasites once we get a sensible government in? Oh, er…….
‘Hard work, moral good and no more dumbing down… It is time to stop the dithering that’s holding Britain back’
In his own words, David Cameron reveals his vision for the future of Britain’
The above is a headline in today’s ‘Sunday Mail’.
Hilarious I know but what is actually interesting are the comments below the article. I read zero of the article but I did scan 20-30 of the comments.
There was one that refered to Cameron with sadness.
All the others spread across a spectrum from hatred to contempt.
This reminds me of an opinion peice in the ‘Telegraph’s’ comments section a few weeks ago.
It had a headline something like; ‘How dare This Terrible Government Betray Our Brave Heros In The forces By Sacking Them After They Have Sacrificed So Much For Us On The Field Of Honour etc etc’
Pretty staple ‘Telegraph’ fare you might think? However, instead of the usual ‘I’m disgusted’ there was a nuanced and intelligent response.
I felt I could add nothing as others had alraedy said ‘Good’ for a number of reasons. Some said the politicians would have less soldiers for illegal operations. Some pointed out we had basically failed to supress our enemies despite massive firepower; were we as professional and effective as we tell ourselves? Some said military actions benefitted Corporations not our nations.
Loads of posters alluded to the moral corruption the Irag invasion had infected our polity with.
One or two even mentioned the immigrant ‘invasion’ of the UK. What good did the military do there?
So.
‘Daily Mail’ readers ridiculing the Conservative leader.
‘Telegraph’ readers recognising that the armed forces are not employed for their benefit. They already know that the Police are not there to protect their property or defend their freedom in any way.
Some people at least are beginning to grow up and see through the 19th century left/right dichotomy. It’s not just that Westminster is corrupt. It’s that the whole notion of left/right fails to describe the world we live in or proscribe any useful solutions.
Who knows? At this rate politics might become interesting again.
John Richardson 14-15
As the Chinese curse goes , may you live in interesting times (may you not have a quiet life )
We certainly are.
But in a perverse way it makes life worth living and the future unpredictable.
Thanks for explaining the ancient Chinese curse we have all been familiar with since childhood, John Richardson. Just in case any of us failed to get it.
Meanwhile, the gals aren’t going to fail to get this. New Brazilian singing star bound for international stardom. Nice!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2197059/Michel-Tel-L-Have-got-moves-New-dance-craze-annoying-Brazilian-tune-sweeping-UK.html
Sorry verity, don’t blame John Richardson for explaining the curse, it was me.
In defence , I am surprised how many people don’t know what it means, especially in china where it seems to be not as well known as we think.
As you have spent a lot of Time in china, as I have I would be interested in your comments. (as I always am )
John Birch – apologies, and not in China. Five years in Singapore working for a Singaporean company. Onlyexpat. Tremendous respect for the Chinese, and still correspond occasionally with my expat and another colleage.
I meant “my ex-boss” and another colleague.
EC @10.39
I presume the maps were stamped. ‘A gift from Lord Halifax?’
‘Verity
September 2nd, 2012 – 18:39Thanks for explaining the ancient Chinese curse we have all been familiar with since childhood, John Richardson. Just in case any of us failed to get it.’
er…no.
I wasn’t using the ancient Chinese cliche. Perhaps you didn’t read the post Verity. John birch aplied that reading.
Instead, I was hailing th death of the left/right political dynamic amongst the masses as a way of explaining the world or seeking solutions.
The average Joe seems to have seen through this ploy.
Oh & the death of the MSM.
It’s great that established titles seem incapable of ‘communicating to’ their own readership. Articles seem as if from another planet.
All good.
BREAKING NEWS: Homeowner and his wife arrested after two suspected burglars are shot during break-in
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2197149/BREAKING-NEWS-Homeowner-wife-arrested-suspected-burglars-shot-break-in.html#ixzz25L82QKET
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They should have offered the burglars a cup of tea. The police are here to defend criminals. It gets madder here day by day!
John Richardson, apologies, and I do feel that it doesn’t matter that two “suspected” (I assume they jimmied the door open and they had inexplicably forgotten their key) burglers were shot in a break-in. As I’ve said many times, the police in Texas advise you to shoot and shoot to kill. Dead strangers cannot make up any stories that you invited them in for a friendly drink.
Another thing the current government promised to “sweep away” but failed to deliver. An end to the police persecution of law abiding citizens who defend themselves and their homes against criminals.
Disgusting. Cameron and Clegg hang your heads in shame – again.
One thing for sure is, the police in Texas are on YOUR side. The taxpayers’ side. They work for YOU. Not the deadbeat.
‘Verity
September 2nd, 2012 – 20:28One thing for sure is, the police in Texas are on YOUR side. The taxpayers’ side. They work for YOU. Not the deadbeat.’
Yeah…
You say that Verity.
You said it once before and I believed you.
Trouble is I got burgled living in Forest Gate and I tried to contact the Texas Police dept. they though I was mad and put the phone down.
That call cost me a fortune and was a TOTAL waste of time actually….
Some of this is lost on me. I assume this is what they call “irony” and that Forest Gate isn’t in Texas …
Verity: Forest Gate is in “Newham the most diverse and vibrant borough in London ….playing host to the Olympic Stadium…”. I can not be doing with repeating the rest that the Met. Police web-site has to say about it….but it sounds a wonderful place.
Yes, John Richardson, there is no “Texas Police dept”. You needed to call a specific department. Texas is vast. There are maybe a hundred police depts, or more. But the law is the same. You can shoot to kill an attacker and they’ll just take you down to the station to show your ID and give your prints and so on before letting you go home. Meanwhile, the dead guy stays iced in a drawer in the morgue, as is natural.
John Richardson;Sept 2 ,20.41 :Maybe you should have phoned the Texas Rangers!
Radford — that’s a nice idea, too! See? You don’t need John Prescott!!!!