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The last post on last weeks wall was from RobertC 10th, 2012 – 08:50.
“Most parents don’t want gay children, claims Tory MP David Davies.”
This reminds me of the wise comment made on the subject (I forget by whom)
“no man ever on hearing that his son was a homosexual said to colleagues at work, fantastic this evening the drinks are all on me”
Simple translation; no heterosexual man is pleased, happy, delighted to find that he has spawned a wrong-un.
@Clear Memories 10th 01:02
“IF recycling was a valid and necessary process, why aren’t the industrialised nations out there, in the middle of the Pacific, harvesting this free bounty of useful raw material?”
I realise your comment’s a bit tongue in cheek but I offer this:
Until I retired, I sailed through the North Pacific Gyre twice, sometimes three times a year. Where was this bounty, this mattress of everlasting garbage? I didn’t see it. Years earlier, I had developed my own “pollution test” One stood at the bridgewing for 4 minutes (when the ship’s doing 15 knots, that’s a mile) and counted the number of pieces of garbage that passed.
In the Mediterranean, the number was always in double figures (and double that again, if you allow for what an observer on the opposite bridgewing would have seen at the same time!). Once I’d heard about the North Pacific Gyre I started applying the same test in the Pacific. Nothing, nix, nada…almost. Occasionally we might see a single piece. Now, I’m not trying to say that the North Pacific is unpolluted, although compared to the Mediterranean it clearly is, but the important point is that it’s a gyre. Midway Island isn’t in the centre of this gyre, it lies to the SSW of the centre. A garbage containing current flows past it continuously, so that if a piece of garbage misses Midway on its first pass, a few months later it has a reasonable chance of being caught on its second pass, or third pass, or whatever. And so it builds up. But the Greenie who lands on Midway, looks at the filthy beach and shrieks in horror is only viewing a snapshot in time. He cannot reliably say that the garbage at his feet arrived yesterday, last week, or 5 years ago. And, on Midway, there’s next to nobody bothered with clearing it up. On the other hand, on Pantellaria, or Malta, or Sicily, people have a vested interest in keeping their beaches clear. There’s a holiday industry to service, which wants to see nice clean beaches. So it’s cleaned up regularly. What records are kept of the garbage cleared up I don’t know, nor whether it’s sent to landfill, incinerated or whatever, but it seems that the size of the problem in the Mediterranean is thus masked. How much do we ever hear about it? But if the shrieking Greenies applied MY test, they might very quickly come to a more realistic view of where the real problem lies, and where it is worst.
David Ossitt
December 10th, 2012 – 09:46
Hi David, Well said! I read that ex-prime minister John Major is for gay marriage. Perhaps his ‘romance’ with the energetic Edwina Currie, and her revelations that he wore blue Y-fronts has sent him to the other side.
Anne, if John Major was jumping into the sack with Edwina Curry then he probably thought he was on the other side, just giving it a try so to speak.
stephen maybery
December 10th, 2012 – 10:41
Ha! Ha! Ha! 😉
I very rarely visit the “other place” these days. They sank to a new all-time low, imo, with their “coverage” of Sir Patrick Moore’s passing.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/the-spectator/2012/12/patrick-moores-contemporaries/
My comment has been removed but it went along the lines of:
“How grubby of you all at the New Spectatesman, to do this on this day. SCUM!”
Scum, they truly are.
Your message is still there, and I agree with you entirely.
EC (13.02)
Not substantial enough to be actual scum – just that frothy stuff that forms on top of it and blows away at the first stiff breeze, leaving a sour-scented whiff in the air, like the aftermath of a cosseted lady’s flatulence.
Mr Boot in a Major hatchet job:
http://alexanderboot.com/content/sir-john-serves-reminder-political-folly-didn%E2%80%99t-start-tony-and-dave
witty profound and – well – timely, given that I just walked into the kitchen and caught Herman Rumpy Pumpy actually speaking on TV ; I was hitherto under the mistaken impression that he was an ugly stuffed-dummy with a perpetually twisted grin – placed in one of the EU seats as a piss-take – I’d never heard him utter a word before today and I’m still not sure that a ventriloquist wasn’t working his jaws. Anyway he was heaping praises of himself and the EU for being awarded the Nobbled Prize for preventing war in Europe for over half-a century. Baaaawaaahahahaha!
The head of the Council of Europe is also the head of the Nobel Prize awarding committee. Quel surprise!
Maria Miller to Nick Herbert in the ‘churching sodomy and mutual-muff-diving’ debate, in Parliament:
“The Honourable gentleman in trying to tempt me to go further than I want to at this stage ….” (no kidding – that’s a direct quote)!
I very much doubt it missus! Now if he had been addressing Ben “Down” Bradshaw, the next speaker in the debate, you may have had a point.
I also note that Ms Miller was framed in the background by a trio comprising Mrs Balls, who had a butch haircut for the occasion (solidarity with the sisters I assume), Hattie Harperson (wimmin’s champion), and one of the Eagle Twins – (dunno which – each is equally dykey). Wouldn’t wanna meet that trio of a Saturday night in a dark alley having a competition to see who could pee highest up a lamp-post.
What is the world coming to?
Frank P 10th, – 14:48
“Baaaawaaahahahaha!”
Is that laughter or bawling?
Frank P 10th, – 16:02
“Wouldn’t wanna meet that trio of a Saturday night in a dark alley having a competition to see who could pee highest up a lamp-post.”
I’m sure they’d be happy to invite Simon Hughes along to ‘protect’ them.
Frank P 14.48: Rompuy a stuffed dummy? I think he missed his true vocation.
Mind you, I wouldn’t want him fishing in my pond.
Frank P 10th, – 16:02
“Ben “Down” Bradshaw”
Isn’t he a big mate of Phil McCafferty?
The government is to publish on Tuesday details of how it intends to introduce same-sex marriage. Cameron is a WET, in the politcal sense, a conservative who has liberal tendences, or is really a Liberal in Tory disguise. This definition can be found in any good dictionary. Actually, I think Cameron is a putrid wet dream! I do not believe I should comment on Christian churches which support this issue. I am able, however, able to strongly condemn the so- called Liberal and Reform Jews who are so anxious to see same-sex marriages take place in the buildings they have the Chutzpah to call synagogues. Same-sex marriage is not only a vile and disgusting abuse of democratic tolerance, but is a sly and deliberate attempt to pollute traditional western democracy with marxist tools to further fragment society as we once knew it.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1
December 10th, 2012 – 18:11
Well said that lady.
LibLabCon and the Beeb all back gay ‘marriage’ which has also (weirdly) been an issue in the US,Canada and France lately (you’d think it almost like it’s co-ordinated). At the same time they are backing the jihadis in Syria.
For those with a strong stomach check out the current lead story at
http://www.jihadwatch.org/
i never thought as a youth that I would end up in a country where the ruling class could equal the Soviets for their utter contempt and disconnect from the nation or be so complicit in !$lam’s barbarity.
Hexhamgeezer
December 10th, 2012 – 19:
Youtube have removed the video as it breaks their rules and offends. It offends more to hide what the barbarians are doing. Maybe Cameron and Hague will have the vapours if they see their heroes at work
AWK @19.28
Well, they got onto that one rather quickly didn’t they? – apparently it offends against their policy on ‘shocking and disgusting content’ Disgusting pretty much sums up our appeasement policy and support of militant !$lam. Or indeed our domestic policy on child abuse and rape by their UK brothers – or creatures like Joyce Thacker et al’s facilitating and so on and so on.
As for dave and hague to call them spineless is an insult to invertebrates.
The Law Society Gazette, which I mentioned last week for its comments on “diversity” in the selection and appointment of magistrates, announces in today’s edition that an open letter from the President of the Law Society, Ms. Lucy Scott- Montcrieff (specialist in mental health and human rights law) has been sent to the Prime Minister:
http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/human-rights-day-warning-prime-minister?utm_source=emailhosts&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GAZ+10%2F12%2F2012
That article in turn provides a link to the letter itself at:
http://www.bihr.org.uk/documents/general/open-letter-from-civil-society-groups-on-human-rights-day-10-december-2012
in which “we welcome recent commitments to ensuring equal marriage rights for gay and lesbian couples” and which is otherwise noteworthy for its repetitive jobs-worth-PC phrasing, its very broad concept of “human rights” which nonetheless manages to avoid mention of the ones we most care about here, and a very, very long list of signatories, among whom Ms. Scott-Montcrieff, from organisations generally dedicated to the right of people not to have others be nasty to them but who believe that the civil and criminal law are insuffiicient to ensure that.
No doubt there are some worthy institutions among the signatories, and Frank P will be excited that one of them is Samantha Smethers, Executive Director, Grandparents Plus.
Nik Barstow, Director of Engagement & Involvement,BHA (no, not the British Horseracing Association) probably has a nice little earner there. Others should possibly be scanned for the viruses of Common Cause, subversion of our culture, left wing crackpots and Uriah Heaps. Outside the Law Society, I don’t recognize any of them,but the Law Society seems to have been taken over by “the culture”.
If you remember, the Law Society suddenly refused to host a meeting on marriage because it decided that it breached its commitment to destroying the institution. The Law Society has been entirely corrupted by PC leftists.
Anne, there are no Christian churches which support “gay marriage”. The Unitarians and Quakers are deists at best, and that part of the Church of England all in favour are the leftist activists who run the political side of things and are busy emptying their churches.
We must look to the Catholics to give a lead. I am trying to find out through my contacts if any large demonstrations are planned.
A small suggestion to help us distinguish real Christians from fake ones such as Rowan Williams and to draw attention to the threat to Judeo-Christian civilisation.
Until the situation is remedied, the words –
“And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil,”
should become –
“And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from islam,”.
Peter from Maidstone
December 10th, 2012 – 22:13
Dear Peter, I am very grateful for you giving time to help me understand who is and who isn’t for same-sex marriage. The Judeo-Christian ethics are the very basis of Western civilisation, and I am seriously concerned at the sort of future which awaits our young.
Ostrich (17:35)
Had to read that twice before I fell in; getting slow in my old age. 🙂
Frank Sutton (17:01)
I swear I hadn’t seen that picture before I commented; wonderful!
Is it really up to him?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9734370/Chief-prosecutor-supports-scrapping-law-against-insults.html
And what “policy considerations”? Political prosecutions to create a “chilling” effect?
Kevin Marx- and pshaw! to objectivity!
http://bogpaper.com/2012/12/10/marx-monday-monbiot/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/cartoon/
Priceless!
With all this fuss about gay marriage, perhaps the answer, as libertarians, is to start a counter-movement demanding a new name for those of us with a clear view of what marriage is – a commitment between a male and female to live together and support each other for their mutual benefit and that of any offspring that might result.
Let those that think it should also include others whose sexual habits can never result in offspring justify their stance, not for us to justify why they shouldn’t be included. It might be ‘fun’ filling your botty with sperm, but it’s never going to result in procreation is it? And no matter how many books you write about Johnny having two daddies or several mummies, they’re only titles – kids instinctively know what is right, as opposed to ‘right on’, so you’ll never fool them.
I suggest this new grouping be called Natural Ovarian Reproducers, Men And Ladies and we start demanding the PC sperm-wasters treat us with the respect all minorities deserve.
I never really had that strong a view about homosexual activities but I find I’m getting steadily ticked off with their intransigent, intolerant stances. It is not normal and it is deviant in the true sense of the word, although, like all bigots, when confronted with an undeniable but inconvenient truth, they expect the meaning of the word to be changed.
By the way Ostrich 17:15, is your mate McCafferty any friend of Patrick Fitzmichael and Michael Fitzpatrick?
Noa @12:27 & O(o) @12:32
Both items brilliant 🙂
Clear Memories 11th, – 01:51
“By the way Ostrich 17:15, is your mate McCafferty any friend of Patrick Fitzmichael and Michael Fitzpatrick?”
Aye, they all form a circle.
Clear Memories 01:51
“I suggest this new grouping be called Natural Ovarian Reproducers, Men And Ladies and we start demanding the PC sperm-wasters treat us with the respect all minorities deserve”
A tad long winded, how about ‘Proper Marriage’ or even ‘Right and Proper Marriage’.
Hi David, you need to look at the acronym which is formed by Natural Ovarian Reproducers, Men And Ladies
Hi Peter, silly me I did not spot that but then ‘Normal Marriage’ does sound right and proper.
The problem I have is that I do not consider marriage to be substantially subject to definition. I mean that to speak of normal marriage suggests that there are other types if marriage. I would argue that marriage is universally and self evidently understood as the union of a man and a woman.
It seems to me as if the government is redefining the word FOOT because some people walk on their hands. This doesn’t change the nature of feet or hands.
While Cameron prioritises homosexual marriage this is being circulated. I don’t know if the figures are accurate and there does not seem to be anything about housing costs.
“Dear Prime Minister
I wish to ask you a question:-Is this true?
I refer to the pensions reality check.
Are you aware of the following?
The British government provides the following financial assistance:-
British Old Aged Pensioners (bearing in mind they worked hard and paid their income tax and National Insurance contributions to the British government all their working life)
Weekly allowance £106.00
Immigrant/refugees living in Britain (no income tax or National Insurance contribution)
Weekly allowance £250.00
British OAP weekly spouse allowance £25
Illegal immigrant/refugee living in Britain weekly spouse allowance £225
British OAP additional hardship allowance £0
Illegal immigrant/refugee living in Britain weekly hardship allowance £100
A British OAP who is no less hard up than an illegal immigrant living in Britain yet receives nothing.
British OAP total yearly benefit £6000
Illegal immigrant/refugee living in Britain £29900”
We wonder why turnout at elections is so low,maybe the political class should be grateful—who knows what parties would be supported if turnout increased?
Peter from Maidstone @ 10:45
You are right. That is the nub. The government is re-defining “foot” to include “web”. Not on!
James102 @ 11:17
Are those figures accurate? if so, it is an outrage. Where are the media who should be grilling the Coalition and Opposition alike on these numbers? It is incomprehensible that the government is expending hours and man-hours on homosexual “marriage”. Who is pushing this, when so many other really important matters are on the agenda? The only explanation is that the policy is adopted as part of the general campaign to divide and wreck our people. Only a couple of per cent of the electorate give a toss what homosexuals, male or female, do with their private parts. To elevate the matter from a corner issue, now that the criminal penalties have been abolished, to a so-called institutional principle that must be foisted on the country while the culture and economy are shuddering from shocks of the greatest pith and moment is the greatest irresponsibility.
PfM 11th, – 10:45
Couldn’t agree more. It is, as Malfleur says, “The nub”.
Malfleur 11th, – 11:57
“Who is pushing this, when so many other really important matters are on the agenda?”
Surely it can’t be a smokescreen, to try to distract us from something else they’re trying to slip through? Like secret courts, or snooping bills or…or.
No…it can’t be, we’ve spotted all those…unless there’s something else, much deeper…
I note with dismay but not surprise that White British people are now officially a minority in London.
The 2011 Census makes sad reading and it is all down to politicians who have absolutely failed in their duty to protect the nation, its people, its religion and its economy. The greatest enemy of the British people is the Palace of Westminster.
HELP! Does anyone know of any ISP’s with call centres in the UK? I’ve just wasted yet another hour of my life on the phone to India trying to resolve a problem with my broadband service. (My current provider is EE formerly Orange formerly Wanadoo, formerly Freeserve etc. etc. etc.) Very nice people, possibly, but time-wasters. Bullshit and bollocks is all I get back from them.
Malfleur
December 11th, 2012 – 11:57
I don’t know how accurate these figures are as I picked them up from something that is being circulated. No one has disputed the figures which I would have thought would have happened if they were far out.
There is also nothing about child allowance or housing benefit.
The reason Cameron/Osborne/ Johnson think homosexual marriage is so important is due to the bubble they live in. I believe you are right only about 2% of the population cares about homosexual marriage but in the circles they move in the percentage will be much higher. It is like the drug debate. They want it legalised because in Notting Hill and Islington recreational drug use is the norm. These are wealthy people who can afford their habit and don’t want to risk a conviction. They don’t care about the consequences on benefit recipients and the poor if they get a habit. Melanie Philips has reported on the dire consequences when Portugal relaxed its drug laws but why should they care in London W.11 when they pass lines of coke?
I am with virginmedia and the last few years have been fairly problem free. The last time I called we were talking to someone who seemed English.
Belfast Riots:
“Northern Ireland Secretary Theresa Villiers said that while the matter was a “sensitive” issue, the clashes would not be tolerated. “Of course I recognise that feelings can run high about the flying of flags,” she said. “But no matter how strongly people feel about this, it is no justification for rioting, violence and attacks on police officers. Around 27 police officers have been injured since this disgraceful series of events started. “That is why it is absolutely essential that these violent protests stop. There are ways in which people can express their views, through the ballot box, through reasoned debate. “It’s not acceptable for them to be seeking to hold Belfast to ransom with rioting.””
They just don’t get it. They don’t realise that these encroachments on our national identity and heritage push and push the British people to breaking point and that the ballot box offers nothing but a different name with the same policies of traducing what was once fine and precious for the benefit of others. The disgrace was the staggeringly stupid decision not to fly our national flag on government buildings. If those entrusted with our protection are ashamed of their own flag what hope is there?
Notice also the different line being taken to “that film” where the reaction was excused by so many politicians on the grounds of provocation.
From Sky
“There has been a large rise in the number of migrants living in England and Wales, according to the results of the 2011 census.
Data from the Office for National Statistics shows that the population of England and Wales now stands at 56.1 million people – a rise of 3.7 million since 2001.
Some 55% of the growth – around 2.1 million people – was due to migration from outside the country.
The number of foreign-born residents has increased to 13%, from 4.6 million to 7.5 million.
In London one person in three was born abroad, compared to the North East where the figure is one in 20.”
James102 11th, – 14:31
“compared to the North East where the figure is one in 20.”
Gee thanks, James. You’ve exposed our little secret enclave. (and now I’ve compounded it further by commenting!)
Well-wisher
December 11th, 2012 – 14:28
Peter Hitchens believes this was part of the Good Friday Agreement which made the flying of the Union Flag illegal except on a few days each year.
His view is that the whole “defeat from the jaws of victory” was due to pressure from the USA.I often suspect that is why we are in the EU after all we pay billions in contributions and run a massive trade deficit with the EU so why are we still members?
These minority party members can take the blame while they are relocated to the mainland.
James102
December 11th, 2012 – 14:31
James, those are only the numbers of those here officially. Some of the giant articulated lorries supposedly carrying flowers from Holland, etc. smell decidedly non-fragrant!
We need a website with an interactive map that allows us to easily see, county by county, city by city, London borough by London borough the statistics on foreign born residents. It would also be helpful to show voting patterns at the same time.
James 102 @ 11.17
Those figures don’t look right. The problem , however, is making definitive statements about our fiendishly complex benefits system, including those for refugees. There are some flat rate figures (@ 36 or £72 pw for singles and couples for e.g) but they are fairly meaningless in the sense that individuals’ cases can inflate their benefits.
One thing to be aware of – if you hear a politician saying that a refugee doesn’t ‘have recourse to public funds’ that doesn’t mean they are not getting stuff from the State. it just means that they aren’t in receipt of a specific list of benefits.
Unfortunately I havent got time to research this more fully at the moment. Maybe at the weekend…..
James102 I don’t doubt it. Both the USA and Irish Republic exported IRA terrorism and acted as a safe haven and fund raiser for the IRA war of aggression against the British public. Britain should have mounted pre-warned retaliatory air strikes against Irish infrastructure after each war-by-proxy terrorist attack, blockaded the country and revoked entry rights to the UK for all citizens of the Irish Republic whilst at the same time openly supporting, sponsoring, funding and arming Native American rights groups in the USA.
The border should have been dealt with like the Israel/Palestine border. The message should always have been “You want to wage war against our people? Then war you shall get.”
“Nemo Me Impune Lacessit”
… or something like that.
I think of heterosexual marriage as “Real Marriage”, as opposed to a fake coupling between two men or two women. There is NO subsitute for the real thing, and it is an insult to God (or for the unreligious, to Mother Nature) to pretend otherwise. A civil, non-religious ceremony is all very well, but real marriage in a church is sacred and should never be desecrated in this vile manner.
Am feeling distinctly grumpy today as I have just learned I need yet another eye operation (my 3rd in 3 years). Having real trouble seeing the screen so if there are typos galore, please excuse me. I’m typing this in an enormous size font and then reducing it, before posting.
If homosexual marriage become available in this country, all references to marriage that we have thought of as normal will have to include homosexual marriage as an equal. Otherwise the Thought Police will be after us!
Gove’s Model Funding Agreement for academies and free schools has:
28)The Academy Trust shall have regard to any guidance issued by the Secretary of State, further to section 403 of the Education Act 1996, on sex and relationship education to ensure that children at the alternative provision Academy are protected from inappropriate teaching materials and they learn the nature of marriage and its importance for family life and for bringing up children. …
Will there be any inappropriate teaching materials after homosexual marriage become available? I expect a response of No; at least it will avoid having to know the details.
Lesley C.
December 11th, 2012 – 15:27
Wishing you well with your forthcoming op’.
Right, that’s it. Sod EE (Orange) I’m migrating to Sky Broadband and telephone. UK call centres (allegedly) and £5/month cheaper too.
The term “homosexual marriage” just doesn’t compute. It as meaningless as the invented word “homophobia.”
Whoever said above (O-o?) that this whole affair is just a giant piece of misdirection is probably right. How many cases are there where the legal arrangement of a Civil Partnership cannot/will not suffice? Why should the institution of marriage be traduced for the sake of such a tiny minority? Anybody would think that the incidence of Gays (?) in the country at large is the same as it appears to be in the FO, BBC, LibDems and increasingly the front benches of other parties.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1
December 11th, 2012 – 15:29
Thanks, Anne. I really appreciate your kind thoughts. Am trying to cut down on the time spent in front of the PC as the screen glare does me no good, but it is an addiction, I’m sorry to say.
Tory MP and GP Phillip Lee made a call for patients suffering from lifestyle-related diseases such as type 2 diabetes to pay for their prescriptions as part of a larger shake-up of the NHS. Fair enough, although not all diabetes is caused by poor diet. Likewise, will Hemorrhoids be seen as a result of same-sex marriage. or will it be acknowledged that straight, decent people are cursed with these nasty complaints too?
A copy of this will be sent to David Cameron
The earth expanding right hand and left hand
The picture alive, every part in its best light
The music falling in where it is wanted, and stopping where it is not wanted
The cheerful voice of the public road,the gay fresh sentiment of the road
Malfleur (11 Dec – 11:46)
Your reference to the government re-defining “foot” to include “web” brings to mind Sydney & Beatrice Webb and Michael Foot. Creepy, eh?
I could nor find Cameron’s email contact number, so sent it to The Conservative Party Contact us.
Here’s a letter I’m planning to send to my MP about “gay marriage” (she’s agin it).
Any suggestions before I send the email?
“Dear
I am glad to see that you remain opposed to redefining marriage to allow same sex couples to marry.
It is difficult to see why Mr Cameron has enthusiastically promoted this idea – there was little if any public demand for it, it was in no party manifesto, and is being “whacked through” (in Boris Johnson’s words) in a way that is bound to cause division – in the Conservative party and in the country as a whole.
The arguments put forward in favour of “same sex marriage” are mostly characterised by their intellectual dishonesty.
What the term “gay marriage” attempts to conceal is the effective abolition of marriage in the form in which it has it has been known for thousands of years, by removing the condition of it being the union of a man and a woman.
For this to be rushed through as if it were a mere matter of tieing up loose ends is grossly irresponsible. And dismissing those who express doubts about this drastic step as bigots – as Mr Clegg did – is a shameful attempt to shut down reasonable discussion of the subject.
Attempts to marginalise doubts as the concerns of a religious minority are also misleading – my arguments above apply to register office marriages, regardless of what safeguards may be allowed for churches.
If this goes through, heterosexual couples will be denied the opportunity to take part in a marriage which is explicitly and specifically the union of a man and a woman.
I suggest that the “gay marriage” lobby is motivated by a dog-in-a-manger-ish attitude – because some people cannot take part in traditional marriage, no-one can have it.
Though I fear this battle is lost, I wish you luck in your continued opposition to this modish, divisive and ill-considered move.”
I see that the Government is also intending to add a law which will allow anyone to redefine their gender and remain married. Could it ever have been imagined that a conservative Government would support the deceit of a person redefining their gender. Will it be possible for a couple to routinely swap genders?
The coverage of the census report on my local BBC news this evening was pure, unmitigated political propaganda. The mad-eyed historical “expert” they trundled out might have been telemachus for all his “vibrant”, “diversity” and “benefits” bollocks. Not a single counter viewpoint explored.
It’s all lovely in Utopia and the Great Leader is protecting us as we go forward.
Maria Miller has been reported to the Expenses folk for claiming £90,000 for the house that her parents have lived in for nearly 20 years.
Who will rid us of this venomous, corrupt and wicked body of useless men and women?
Interesting open letter by Brian Binley MP telling Cameron that he is losing the next election. Dismissed as a right-winger (a.k.a.conservative) by No. 10. I am going to drop him a line and commend him, but tell him it is too late. I am already committed to doing whatever is necessary to ensure that Helen Grant is not relected under false pretences as a conservative in Maidstone and the Weald.
Ancient birthrights / free speech update: This nugget was tucked away yesterday.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20666099
A law banning “insulting” words or behaviour, which has led to some controversial cases, could be dropped, the Director of Prosecutions says. […] Keir Starmer said the Crown Prosecution Service had changed its position ahead of a Lords vote this week. Mr Starmer signalled the change in stance in a letter to former West Midlands chief constable Lord Dear, who is seeking the law change in a House of Lords vote that is expected on Wednesday. […] An amendment, tabled by the crossbench peer, to the Crime and Courts Bill by the crossbench peer would remove the “insulting” element.
The article goes on to quote Mr Starmer as writing, “”We are unable to identify a case in which the alleged behaviour leading to conviction could not properly be characterised as ‘abusive’ as well as ‘insulting’, he wrote. I therefore agree that the word ‘insulting’ could safely be removed without the risk of undermining the ability of the CPS to bring prosecutions.”
“And the 2012 Weasel of the Year award, goes to …..”
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 17:31
“Tory MP and GP Phillip Lee made a call for patients suffering from lifestyle-related diseases such as type 2 diabetes to pay for their prescriptions as part of a larger shake-up of the NHS.”
Anne I have type 2 diabetes, and my GP has assured me that this was induced by a steroid Prednisolone that I have to take in high doses and for a minimum of sixty days once or twice a year in order to treat flare ups with my Crohn’s disease and diverticulitis.
I wonder what lifestyle choices that silly MP thinks brought on these two horrors.
David Ossitt
December 11th, 2012 – 19:55
David, first I’m so sorry if you misunderstood my posting which was written tongue in cheek. You know me. I have no respect for MPs, even Boris has let us down, and they all are a lot of knaves. GPs, well most are quacks, lazy and dull, so somebody who is both GP and MP must be a lost cause. The doctors in Cronin’s books have long gone, and we are left with pen-pushers. Be well, David, and please accept my apologies.
Frank Sutton, what proves the malignity of this “gay marriage” charade is, gays are already accorded the right to get married in all but name with the (I think it is) the civil act. They automatically inherit their partners’ inheritance, unless it has been specifically left away from them, they have the hospital visiting rights of official family members, they are accorded the right to approve or disapprove medical treatment for a sick partner who cannot speak for himself, and automatically, unless otherwise specified in a Will, inherit a deceased partner’s property.
What the hell more do they want?
Verity: “What the hell more do they want?”
The abolition of anything which isn’t for them – a dog-in-a-manger attitude.
There is a minority (perhaps) of those who commit homosexual acts who wish to recreate the world so that their behavior might be considered normal. Unfortunately this requires the destruction of our beautiful and life-giving culture and the construction of an oppressive and soul-less culture of death.
Death is all around us, and the increasing stench of evil.
David Ossitt
December 11th, 2012 – 19:55
Dear David,
In that posting I did mention that all diabetes is not caused by poor diet. Unfortuately, the medicine dumped on us sometimes does more harm than good. Tranquilisers have caused obesity, we all know what happened with thalidimide, and the list could go on. I really regret causing you anguish.
Peter from Maidstone (11 Dec 18:59)
“… a law which will allow anyone to redefine their gender and remain married. Could it ever have been imagined that a conservative Government would support the deceit of a person redefining their gender. Will it be possible for a couple to routinely swap genders?”
The answer is “yes” to both questions. Indeed, whisper into the ears of the Establishment details of any perversion, and the Establishment will become possessed by the urge to enact a law that allows it; that requires the education system to teach that it is both beneficial and a ‘Human Right’; and that makes it a crime to say otherwise.
If anybody thinks that’s impossible, they should look around. Is not Britain well advanced on that path already?
Herbert Thornton,
Canada, isn’t it? How’s it going with those quasi judicial “Human Rights Commissions” (aka kangaroo courts) that you have over there. Have they been abolished yet?
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 20:05
“Be well, David, and please accept my apologies.”
Hello Anne, you have done nothing that would warrant or need an apology, I was simply pointing out that these silly people do often talk codswallop.
Thank you for wishing me well.
EC (11 Dec – 22:46)
True – Canada has been on the same totalitarian, freedom-hating path, but has not, I think, gone so far along it as Britain.
The good news is that though the kangaroo courts established as part of the so-called “Human Rights Commissions” have not yet been abolished, they have suffered a slight setback.
Earlier this year, the Canadian Parliament repealed section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act – thus depriving the fanatical and obnoxious Canadian Thought & Behaviour Police of one of their favourite weapons. –
http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/06/19/five-years-two-tribunals-a-raft-of-secret-hearings-a-supreme-court-challenge-how-the-battle-for-free-speech-was-won/
Whether the battle for free speech in Canada has been clearly won remains to be seen. As for our other freedoms, the rest of the Canadian Human Rights Act still remains, and so, alas, do its various Provincial counterparts.
The media-led attacks on business continue as businesses seek to manage their finances in the most efficient and effective manner. The widespread outrage of sections of the population just highlights their stupidity and financial naivety whilst the growing clamour from the likes of the BBC just underlines their hypocrisy.
In the first instance, any business has a legal duty to its shareholders to ensure the maximum return to said shareholders. Officers of the Company would be personally liable, at law, if they didn’t. That return must be in accordance with the laws wherever that business operates but, never forget, Brown, Balls and Milliband are at the fore of the creation of the financial model Companies currently operate under. They had 13 years to change these so-called unfair tax avoidance laws and did sweet F.A., simply created an ever-increasing pile of loopholes.
Let us not overlook the EU either. Their activities in seeking to create a socialist Utopia whilst attracting foreign businesses had the same effect and actually pitted member states against each other in seeking to offer the best (lowest cost?) tax regime.
The other major change is the internet. I can only guess at the benefits to Companies but as a self-employed, global-travelling single entity, I know how it benefits me. Whatever the powers-that-be claim, it is simple to open bank accounts all over the planet and freely move funds between them at the drop of a hat. I personally have UK accounts, UK offshore accounts, Middle Eastern accounts and antipodean accounts. My Clients pay me into whichever account I have designated as part of my original quotation and usually in whatever currency I determine and, as global entities themselves, this causes them no concerns. There is usually a daily limit on the amount that can be moved, but stage payments neatly circumvent any problems in that direction. The result is a very low tax bill.
Until there is a global move to stop internet transfer of funds, this system will continue. And that ain’t never going to happen whilst the likes of e-Bay, Amazon and others trade in the manner they do, indeed, the situation is only ever going to evolve as more and more businesses and people avail themselves of the (legal) advantages available to them. As the French are discovering, it’s easy for their population to simply move across a national border and cease paying unfair and excessive taxes.
I made my decision some years ago. Tax is, in essence, theft. I am happy to pay for the things I and my family need but I will not pay for things I politically object to if I can help it. Living in the UK, my total tax take as a small businessman, approached 80%, on top of which I paid private education and private health costs because, despite the amount stolen from me, the State provision in these areas was dire. My pension provision was destroyed by the Scottish bigot. So, where did all that money go? Well, I think the recently released results of the Census answer that question.
So I’ll keep travelling the World, moving from nation to nation and paying my own way whilst the nation I was born into disappears under a miasma of political correctness, corruption and unfettered immigration.
Please do read this all the way through (no matter how sick it makes you), because it was written by someone who wrote speeches for Camoron’s 2010 campaign.
You won’t need to comment below it, because other people have already said what you’re thinking.
What makes it a must-read is that this is what Cameron thinks:
http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/ian-birrell-we-have-nothing-to-fear-from-our-muslim-citizens-8405793.html
Maria Miller threatened the Telegraph reporter to speak to the people upstairs (this is obviously commonplace) and to drop the story.
The trouble is, even the Barcaly twins get occasionally sick of sucking up to the Tories and have published all this tonight:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/9738505/The-minister-and-a-warning-to-the-Telegraph-before-expenses-story.html
At every twist and turn the Tories despise their very core voters – why?
The “Right to Work” movement in the USA seems to be the same battle fought in this country a few decades ago over the “Closed Shop”. The story in Michigan, where laws were just passed in the legislature and will be signed into law perhaps today by the Governor curbing the unions right to force workers to pay union dues in the public sector and now the private sector, is covered today in a number of stories at http://www.breitbart.com/
The argument is about an important aspect of the freedom to associate with whom one chooses. In this country, the controversy, such as it is, has shifted to whether block union votes should determine Labour Party policy.
There seem to be many battles which people in the USA and Great Britain, and indeed some other countries, have in common, although our forces are divided. I wonder how they can be joined.
*****
Clear Memories @ 00.03
Yes,very true; but salvos are of course being fired on many sides against free operation of the internet – see most recently the proposal, apparently inspired by the Russians, that the United Nations should govern it…
I live abroad so I only catch up on behind-the-scenes chatter slowly. I have learned this week that Nigel Farage spent a long time looking over the postal votes in Rotherham and was, I am told, stunned at what he saw.
Labour rammed through laws to make it easy to get a postal vote and, especially in Muslim constituencies, you find huge numbers of requests for these postal votes, where the electoral register seems to be filled to bursting with made-up names. And where the Muslim leader tells the mosque members who to vote for.
I understand Nigel was given quite an education by Labour that night in how to ‘win’ an election.
“The BNP and their little, distant cousins in UKIP”
Another “web” and “foot” comment, this time from Alan Crassie at the other place – and another reason for not buying the Barclays’ rag, or Nonervative Party BS.
Sorry, I mistyped the name: ALEX Crassie.
I have noticed that at the other place it is now necessary to “sign in to down-vote” a post. It is not necessary to sign in to “up-vote” a post. It seems to be possible, apparently, to comment without signing in or, at least, if one has signed in so as to allow one to comment, there is now some procedure, which I have not yet been able to identify, to sign in solely for the purposes of registering a down-vote.
As Frank P might cry, WTF?
From the ridiculous to the monstrous – take a deep breath before reading these further views of Benghazi and the larger war which is unfolding:
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/51679
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 17:31
“Tory MP and GP Phillip Lee made a call for patients suffering from lifestyle-related diseases such as type 2 diabetes to pay for their prescriptions as part of a larger shake-up of the NHS.”
You can bet that these charges will only be levied upon “old whitey” taxpayers because:
1) “with effnicks it’s cultural and it aint their fault, innit. I mean if they hadn’t been forced to com here they would have a problem with the climate and their diet would they”
2) If you’re on benefits everything is free.
I don’t think that he thought it through properly, do you.
The most shocking, and given the expenses scandal of recent years, the most surprising, but there again not wholly unexpected, news of the week so far. These people treat the electorate with utter contempt. Jacqui Smith got away with over £100K for here sister’s spare bedroom, didn’t she. Has she paid it back yet?
“Who will rid us ….?” We need another Cromwell. He might also care sort the Irish out again, whilst he’s at it! 🙂
“Taxation is theft” – Judge Andrew Napolitano
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX683r-qlEQ
Malfleur, December 12th, 2012 – 02:55
They had to do something about the exceptionally large number of negative votes their ‘in house’ sponsored trolls were getting. It was starting to get embarrassing for them.
Also heard a rumour that these days OQS is getting to be more and more like a ‘mash up’ of the Führerbunker scene in “Downfall”.
I found it irritating that in the census reporting by the media, including the BBC, only Christianity was treated in a negative way, i.e. the percentages of those who are not Christians was emphasised rather than the 59% who are. It was reported almost with glee how many people reported they were of “no religion” but on the local news it took an arch-deacon to explain how this might be misleading.
And no surprise given that the country has largely abandoned the Christian tradition as part of its establishment foundation. I have no doubt that if Christian teaching had been as central in academia as sex education, gay rights and the left-wing grievance culture the situation might be quite different.
EC
December 12th, 2012 – 07:22
Like, that’s right, innit? 😉
Jenny
December 12th, 2012 – 01:21
Jenny
I have just read Ian Birrell’s article on muslims and need to throw up.
Jenny
December 12th, 2012 – 01:29
You ask about the contempt the Conservative leadership has for its supporters and postal voting.
First we have a political class who share backgrounds and views. The party they join is more down to who they mix with in university than any ideology. In fact they share the same ideology which they refer to as: “The Middle Ground”. These are the issues they agree on so choice is removed from the electorate, at least as far as the main parties are concerned.
Postal voting was “discovered” by Labour when the first BNP councillor was elected in the London borough of Tower Hamlets. Their brightest minds were set the task of defeating the BNP at any cost. Postal voting was seen as a way of correcting the ignorance of the white manual working class in wanting to preserve their homogeneous culture. When the BNP got elected to the council in Barking and Dagenham and threatened Margaret (The Dodge) Hodge the constituency was again swamped with Labour activists and postal voting rates went through the roof. The census shows that this borough has seen the largest decrease in people describing themselves as “White British” in the country (down 31%) It is now secure.
What a terminally stupid person Ian Birrell is.
He clearly has absolutely no knowledge of Islam, what its book of hate contains or what its adherents intend for the planet.
Cock!
James102 12th, – 11:08
Well, if you and the other three aren’t allowed out of the house by your collective husband, I guess the only way you can exercise your democratic right is to vote postally 😉 . I suppose the Imam’ll post it for you…he might even save you the bother of filling it in! 🙁
Ostrich (occasionally)
December 12th, 2012 – 12:50
More to it than that.
Remember local authorities have a cadre of union activists that have access to a lot of information. Imagine harvesting postal votes from sheltered accommodation and homes. Imagine knowing where tenancies had changed without the electoral register being updated. Imagine knowing when the properties were empty and tenants had died. All very useful when turnout is so low.
At the heart of the issue is the view that some parties don’t have a “right” to exist in the democratic process. This can vary from the BNP to the Conservatives depending on the view.
Marxists are not democrats: something people do not allow for.
Just a note to say that the daily average number of pages viewed on this site is presently 5,700, which means that there are about 170,000 pages viewed a month.
We have created 11,586 comments since we started.
I think that is pretty good going.
Jenny @ 01.35
Very interesting information about Nigel Farage inspecting the postal vote at Rotherham; I had not heard about that. Is he going to make an issue of it? I hope so.
Update to my post at 01:32
Michigan Governor Rick Snyder signed the right-to-work bills into law on Tuesday.
P from M
“I think that is pretty good going.”
So do I.
David Cameron “Bollocks be his name” states we have to concrete 2 million acres for new housing. First question, from where comes this pressing need? 4 million immigrants anwers that one. Second question, why are they still allowed to pour into the country? third question why are a sizable proportion not sent back? particularly those who do not speak English. As the last White Anglo Saxon left in Whitechapel I would dearly love ansers to these questions but know I will never get them.
I didn’t bother to real Ian Birrell’s article because I could have written it myself, cobbling together all the other muslim garbage articles. We have had invasions before, but the invaders were Christian and therefore not deeply alien or full of hatred.
Our previous invaders were after our wealth, not our souls. And they soon settled in.
“David Cameron “Bollocks be his name” states we have to concrete 2 million acres for new housing.”
How environmental is that, dagnabbit! You mean all that “Trust me, I’m eco-mental Dave, look I’m hugging a husky in Lapland” stuff was just a hollow PR sham!
No surprises in Ian Birrell’s piece, just what one would expect from a metropolitan gobshite, what angers me is that the fool undoubtably believes what he has written and would not change his opinions even if they were rammed up his fundamental orrifce. Unlike Mr. Birrell, who probably thinks foreign travell constitutes a week sprent in Chiantshire, I have seen a bit of the World, indeed, half my working life has been spent in the Muslim lands and it sickens me to see how we are being led like lambs to the slaughter. If I can draw any comfort from this situation it is that when the inevitable arrives on our doorsteps it is Birrell and his ilk who will be the first to have their throats cut, as they will by then have seved their purpose.
stephen maybery
Yes, and why no answers? Where are the journalists insisting that the politicians are interviewed on this subject; cross-examined on the shameful history of Neathergate and its consequences; questioned about the shambles that the economy was plunged into in 2008 and why a disastrous legacy was dumped on the people when Labour was forced out of office at the last general election on the back of promises made by the Coalition parties which have not been kept; or why footling and unpopular policies which were never mentioned in the election have now become the preoccupation of Westminster. We saw the tragic absence of a real political opposition talking truth to power in the US presidential election in November and we watched the pusillanimity and sycophancy of the White House Press Corps at the recent press conference held by President Obama; in Britain, by the same token, the failure by the Coalition to hold the Labour Party to account in sustained, public enquiries into its misrule from 1997-2010 and of the British Press to undertake a sustained campaign to hold the politicians accountable for the disasters which are at the top of the people’s agenda, not the phony agenda of the poltical class bent on dividing us and manipulating us through that division, is robbing the entire political class of any residual respect it had hung on to. The political class is “losing the mandate of heaven”.
Peter from Maidstone
December 12th, 2012 – 13:25
Better than pretty good.
Malfleur
December 12th, 2012 – 13:34
To expose the postal vote scam would require infiltration of the local Labour party and the skills of investigative journalists. You would then have the problem that if it assisted the BNP it would not be publicised.
UKIP’s problem is that the same tactics may be being used whenever the Labour majority is thought to be at risk.
Malfleur
December 12th, 2012 – 14:38
Malfleur, you ask where are the journalists? In Nazi Germany and Stalinist USSR, they were either dead or muzzled. Therein lies the answer to your question. Today, in Britain unless you are a homosexual, marxist or outright traitor, just in it for the money (like some of the so-called conservatives), you stand little chance of finding a platform to question and speak.
“David Cameron “Bollocks be his name” states we have to concrete 2 million acres for new housing.”
There’s a lot of money(*) to be made from green belt that suddenly comes with the benefit of planning permission for housing. The question that should be asked following this latest announcement is cui bono in this case?
(*) vastly more quick cash to be made from building plots than to be made from, for example, hosting onshore wind farms – which now seem to have fallen out of favour.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2027708/Samantha-Camerons-father-nets-350-000-year-subsidised-wind-farm.html
Why are all these exposures damning previous Tory governments coming out now? Why are the most terrible IRA atrocities and murders never subjected to the same scrutiny, recriminations and soul-searching? Why are previous Labour crimes and scandals not exposed and chewed over month after month, year after year?
The whole thing stinks of an orchestrated, relentless agenda.
Well-wisher
December 12th, 2012 – 16:11
The Patrick Finucane inquiry shows how mad our systems have become. If a Guardian journalist mugs someone in their spare time is the newspaper responsible? We have taken vicarious responsibility to ridiculous levels.
What about police working for the Irish Republic if they gave information to terrorists, was the Irish government responsible? Where does this end?
I think solicitors sharing the name benefited from legal aid during the hugely expensive Saville Inquiry.
Now they want more Inquiries!!!
I see there is a lot of uninformed rubbish being spluttered over on The Telegraph, where I am not registered, about the supposed end of the world on 21 December as “predicted by the Maya”.
The Maya astrologers did not … repeat … DID NOT predict the end of the world in December or any other month. If all these people writing these fantasies read up on the subject, they would see that the universe is simply going to start a new cycle on 21 December this year. The Mayan astrologers followed the changes in the universe … apparently a cycle takes around 2,500 years to go through all its permutations, then … it starts all over again without a break or a sign. All the Mayans (and Hindus, incidentally, came up independently without either being aware of the other’s work) mathematically worked out the end of the current cycle on 26 December 2012.
What will happen? Nothing. We just go on as we were, but we are in a new universal cycle. It will not make one jot of difference to the world.
People are so excitable.
The Hindu calendar is not the same. That recycled some time ago.
It depends entirely where you start a cycle where it will end. It is all cobblers. My daughter received a message today saying that although the world would not end that NASA was saying all electricty would be cut for 3 days and people should buy torches and tins of food!!!
“It is all cobblers.” So far, so good! 🙂
These end of the world scares are always good for generating, ahem, business opportunities. (eg. AGW scams)
Does anybody remember the so called “Rapture” of 2011? The Christian pet owners of America were anguished at the thought of their beloved pets being left behind to face the apocalypse. Then somebody came up with this bright idea:
“For the small price of $135 for the first pet and $20 for each additional animal, the company will send a sworn atheist to your door to collect the pets to be cared for.”
In 2011 the company “Eternal Earth-Bound Pets ” was reported as having 40 employees, spread across 26 states. Only in America!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2051222/Rapture-Pet-rescue-service-offered-Christians-worried-animals-fate.html
Incidently Peter, you never did answer my query about whether or not animals and/or pets have souls.
Agreed. It is impossible to expose the true scale of the postal vote scam.
There was one case in the Midlands (Labour seat) in which the judge branded it worse than a Banana Republic, but that could not get across the scale.
You might expose a few samle counts, but even that would be almost impossible.
People are not going to admit to lying.
Not that it’s a secret. The councillors and campaigners know that very rarely in some places are the name/s on the register the name/s who open the door.
It’s the way the local politicians like it.
I’m just catching up with the census analysis today.
It’s official: Britain is now a Third World slurry pit.
This is ethnicide on a scale never seen anywhere in the world.
While being in the EU is part of the problem, many other countries just turn a blind eye to the rules on immigration.
The Greeks, for instance, they don’t put up with this.
Common Purpose and its politician chums, with their secret war in the courts, the councils and the classrooms are a world leader in ethnicide through thought control.
Tommy Robinson (aka Stephen Lennon) of the English Defence League
The media had been quick to report that Mr. Robinson was due to attend at Luton Magistrates Court last month and so had been on the look-out for news of his appearance there. I could find nothing. Finally, this morning, I turned to the EDL’s site. This now carries a letter from Mr. Robinson in which he records that he was found not-guilty of the charge of breaching the order banning him from attending football matches.
The police had withheld evidence proving Mr. Robinson’s innocence and the court dismissed the case.
Mr. Robinson writes that the police have spent the last 2 1/2 years combing through the previous six years of his financial records.
Mr. Robinson steps in to fill the vacuum left by the Press, so willing to report the charges against him, all of which related to activities before the founding of EDL, created by their failing to follow through when the news is not to their liking. He notes that seven charges relating to alleged money-laundering, etc. have been dropped.
The 3 “trumped up” charges of mortgage fraud by Mr. Robinson’s detailed account, seem frivolous (better to say malicious), groundless and irrelevant, referring as they do to a mortgage from a mortgage broker to his cousin on small bungalow bought from him.
Mr. Robinson’s letter continues with some interesting comments on his enforced, and, as he would have it, unnecessary solitary confinement in Bedford prison. He is due back in London to face the allegations over his passport on 7th January. Unfortunately he does not comment on that charge. Perhaps it will be of more interest to the British media than those charges which took him to Luton and they will report the London hearing.
If the left wing liberals and hard liners, and the right wing huffers and puffers in the media were as concerned with liberty in Britain as their canting propaganda declaims, the harassment of Mr. Robinson and his grass-roots centre party by the political class and its apparatus would be a national scandal.
http://englishdefenceleague.org/edl-news-2/1840-latest-update-from-tommy
Jenny
Has Nigel Farage made any statement on what stunned him during his inspection of the Rotherham postal vote? That’s the way to get at it, isn’t it? I did take a quick look at UKIP’s website but couldn’t find anything.
EC @ December 11th – 19:51 Ancient birthrights/Free Speech update
I take what may be the last opportunity to “insult” or “abuse” Mr. Keir Starmer: “Mr. Starmer, you are a poltroon!”.
While looking at UKIP’s site for information on the party’s view of the Rotherham postal vote, while finding no allegations of fraud, I did incidentally come across this:
“The European Commission has asked Slovakia to remove a cross and a two halos from its two-euro coin claiming they are Christian symbols that could upset other religions from other states.”
http://www.ukip.org/content/latest-news/2896-halo-goodbye-in-latest-bonkers-ec-ruling
Malfleur, I have sent a message to Nigel Farage asking if he would be willing to comment a little further on his reported concerns at postal voting in Rotherham. Let us wait and see if he will oblige us.
Peter from Maidstone
Good move.
P from Maidstone … the Hindus predicted the new cycle of the known universe on the same date as did the Maya … although these two races were a world apart and completely unknown to one another.
I watched “Newsweek” and whilst Farage, as usual, was way above any of the other guests, I felt a deep depression. To use an old, corny expression, I could not forget ‘The enemy within.’ Even if we rid ourselves of the chains binding us by the EU, we are still stuck with millions of muslims, many whom are determined to alter the form and very substance of Britain. Even if we closed the doors to any furher entering this country, isn’t it too late to stop the rot?
Not true at all Verify. Just part of the new age cobblers. The Hindu cycle recycled in 1844.
The Hindu Holy Book “Manu Smriti” (the Memorandum of Manu) is traditionally attributed to the mythical first Manu, Svayambhuva. This book describes the life span of the Universe, specifies calculations of the major and minor Religious Cycles comprising various aeons, ages, epics and their linking periods. Mankind’s appearance is placed at the beginning of a cycle of 12000 years containing within itself 4 minor and uneven periodic cycles. The termination of this 12000 year cycle is described as the beginning of a new “Krit Yug” or a new “Cycle of Truth in Deeds”.
According to the calculations given in “Manu Smriti”, chapter 1, verses 68 to 72… this 12,000 year cycle was to end and the new “Cycle of Truth in Deeds” was to begin in the year 1844 AD.
Not only is it a completely different length of cycle but it ends at a completely different time and has already taken place.
Malfleur @22:49
Indeed, a “pribbling poltroon” at that!
Perhaps if we keep to to Shakespearean insults it might send the CPS into tailspin”
eg. “Mr Starmer, thou art a pizzle faced ronyon” etc.
It’s our kultral ‘errytidge innit.
Peter From Maidstone,
“Just part of the new age cobblers.”
As opposed to the “cobblers” of any other age?
btw, I think that you should come off the fence regarding, for example, Verity’s cats.
EC
“Ronyon” – very good! I had to look that one up – although I am familiar with “pizzle” having acted Hotspur in H4 Pt. 1 at school (and at the Minack in Cornwall), when I got to watch rehearsals of the Falstaff scenes..
Perhaps we could have a side-bar on the site in which a collection of exotic English insults could be compiled for the use of CHWs. Once the new legislation is in force, we should also ask for a volunteer willing to use some of the choicest items orally or in writing on politicians, banksters, media personalities, Russian oligarchs and the like to see if they provoked litigation. “Where’s Frank P? Oh, he’s before the magistrate in King’s Lynn today on a charge of calling the Home Secretary a ronyon.” “OMG, not AGAIN!”
Where is Frank P, by the way?
Anne Wotana Kaye 1
December 13th, 2012 – 04:05
Today’s Daily Mail reports that nearly a quarter of households in the London borough of Newham don’t speak English in their home. This is the same borough that has the highest rates of TB in Europe.
The Evening Standard has a story about visitors finding London dirty and the people rude. After the census report maybe the tourists should visit an English city.
Cities are not just builders no more than countries are areas on a map.
Malfleur
December 12th, 2012 – 22:22
The Tommy Robinson affair is rather frightening as it raises a curtain on our legal system and how it deals with dissidents, because that is what English or British nationalists are in modern Britain.
The EDL at least has a website are there others in prisons on political charges that we never hear about?
The National Union of Journalists has “Guidelines” that the BNP must never be shown in a good light which is probably why we have not been told of their involvement in exposing Denis McShanes expense fiddles.
Imagine if the press was subject to more controls and publications licensed.
James102
December 13th, 2012 – 10:24
Hi James, and it’s not just Newham. London is a real no-go area. Apart from their general life (death) styles, many of our uninvited neighbours have the habit of spitting in the street, spreading TB, and possibly the impossible to cure AIDS/TB combination which is immune to all medication. Fah!
Indeed, James 102.
There never was freedom of the press in the UK before I left and there isn’t now.
Leveson is just a ‘heads I win, tails I win’ smokescreen.
It has acted, as public inquiries so often do, to take the heat off criminal investigations on the rich, the powerful and the authorities themselves, while at the same time offering a window of opportunity for some political tinkering.
It reminds me of the Stephen Lawrence Inquiry. What should have been solely an issue about police corruption (the only issue ever at the heart of the Lawrence case), became a weapon for LibLabCon to curtail free speech, remove double jeopardy, and invent ‘hate’ crimes that there are no defence to because once the victim ‘perceived’ words one way, then they had to be taken that way.
Leveson has taken all the heat off Murdoch and the allegations of criminality going up the chain in Newscorp.
The Leveson inquiry has instead re-set the agenda on free speech: they want less of it in the mainstream media – and they want free speech in the blogosphere virtually closed down all together.
With no free speech left in the blogosphere, we’d all go back to reading the daily propaganda published by Dave’s mates.
None of that is random.
That is what public inquiries do.
Thes Establishment work out what’s in these public inquiries for the public and say ‘right, well we’ll get an establishment placeman to quash all of that’.
Stage two is always: ‘Now, what’s in this for us Establishment people?’
To come back to Tommy Robinson, I know I’m not in the UK, but I have seen nothing on his incarceration in the mainstream media on the net.
It is a case that has all the hallmarks of the Establishment putting the frighteners on someone and if he was a Muslim this would be on all the TV stations and in all the mainstream papers, but no.
The ‘free speech’ media have oh so curiously lost their tongues about the trumped up charges against this man.
Look at the sheer number of charges that are made only to be dropped.
What does that tell you?
Mortgage fraud? That’s like prosecuting somebody for dropping litter. It happens so often, the banks are told to sort it out themselves.
Ever had a policeman interested when you’ve had your account hacked?
No. It’s between you, the bank and (if you’re smart enough) the Financial Ombudsman (the bank in the UK won’t want to hand you your money back unless you know how to use the Ombudsman to force them to).
So what’s all this about mortgage fraud?
It just looks like mud-slinging: mortage fraud, assault, making a public nuisance, trying to enter America illegally and so on and so stitched up.
All these charges.
All at the same time.
What a coincidence, Mr Plod.
I think there are two things in play here:
The first is to get some kind of criminal conviction stitched up on to Robinson to undermine his political credibility, if not to get him extradited to America altogether.
I understand another man was trying to run for office as an elected police commissioner. You can only do that if you don’t have a criminal record.
You can see why the authorities have become mustard keen to pin one on him.
They really do hate democracy.
The second, of course, is to psychologically intimidate Robinson and those around him.
The whole thing reeks of a stitch up by mainstream politicians and their lackeys in the security services, the judiciary and the mainstream media.
It is quite clearly co-ordinated.
‘you never did answer my query about whether or not animals and/or pets have souls.’
Reckon that’s because you’ve got him over a barrel. The gradation of species raises numerous awkward questions. My personal favourite is the one raised by H P Lovecraft. Suppose a ‘higher intelligence’ came a calling. What are the chances of this ‘higher intelligence’ being benign? By analogy with the way we have treated ‘lower’ species, it would be more likely to subject humanity at least to servitude and at worst to prolonged and merciless vivisection.
That concludes the metaphysical point but one might add that so long as the slaughter commenced with Common Purpose graduates, the rest of us could ameliorate the wait to our own turn by getting well stocked up with popcorn.
Dear Andy and EC, just busy with trying to earn some money and pay some bills. Not least to keep this place going!
Of course animals have souls. But I don’t believe that they have immortal souls or that they are of the quality of the human soul. My Cavalier King Charles lies next to me, if my wife is away from home, and looks at me with a depth of being that includes the soul. His soul is more developed than that of other lower animals. But all life has soul.
I guess that Orthodox Christianity teaches that man is more than an animal with a soul, even a most highly advanced soul, and that this otherness is both the gift to his soul of immortality, and its relation with God. You don’t have to buy that of course, but there is no great problem in considering that there is a graduation in the natural existence of soul, both intelligent and unintelligent (even Lib-Dem supporters have soul).
This according to The New York Times:
“Economic Gloom in Europe Barely Touches Proud Poland”
HARDLY SURPRISING WHEN SO MANY POLES ARE DUMPING THEMSELVES IN PRESSURISED UK.
Henry
December 13th, 2012 – 11:37
Yes I would broadly agree with your analyses.
The tactic of getting a criminal conviction pinned to unfashionable politicians was used successfully on the BNP and so the security people probably could not see why they needed to reinvent the wheel.
The Macpherson Report (see Racist Murder and Pressure Group politics—Norman Dennis et al) did more damage to the criminal justice system than can be detailed in this type of blog.
I have never really accepted the main premise, leaving aside the nutty “institutional Racism” definition, that it was purely a racist attack. At least if the people convicted actually committed the crime. They were professional criminals the only reason they would have attacked someone was either because they had interfered with their criminal activity or as a warning to other criminals.
Anyway even if a new set of killers came forward and confessed they would be sectioned and locked away—can you imagine the loss of confidence if the gang was found to not have murdered Stephen Lawrence?
The sad conclusion is that the police, especially the Met and the new centralised Stasi-type units, appear to be in the pocket of or deeply colluding with the Labour party for political ends. I read today that the police unit reviewing the original 1980s “No.10 paedophile connection” investigation is “regularly talking to Tom Watson MP” (who raised this issue in the HoP) which seems rather odd to say the least, given that the police are supposed to enforce the rule of law impartially.
The CPS, headed by another product of a left-wing dynasty, seems to be in the same boat.
Two of Peel’s principles of policing seem pertinent to the current situation:-
“Police seek and preserve public favour not by catering to public opinion but by constantly demonstrating absolute impartial service to the law.”
“Police should always direct their action strictly towards their functions and never appear to usurp the powers of the judiciary.”
It seems that both those principles are being increasingly disregarded by the police – or those in command of them. The extent of moralising they appear to articulate in press conferences or press statements does not seem in keeping with those principles at all.
The marriage of police and HM “Loyal” Opposition is bad enough but when Labour come to power again in 2015 we can expect the marriage of police and state that was steadily advanced during 1997 to 2010. The Coalition seem to be completely apathetic in the face of this.
Well-wisher
December 13th, 2012 – 14:49
Entryism :a favoured tactic of the left ,remember Militant Tendency?
Proportionate outcomes allow this to be done easier as quotas can be manipulated to overcome lack of ability.
James102 13th, – 10:32
Organisations that title themselves ‘National Union of …” imagine that they are a solution to the nations ills. They’re too thick to realise that they are the problem.
Ostrich (occasionally)
December 13th, 2012 – 15:05
They are too thick or think we are?
We are told that the downturn in the Eurozone is adversely affecting the British economy. As we run a massive £4 billion a MONTH deficit with the EU is the adverse affect due to increased imports or decreased exports?
Our trade imbalance never seems to feature when discussions of the importance of the Single Market take place.
Ostrich (occasionally)
December 13th, 2012 – 15:05
The National Association of Mothers’ Centers 🙂
A woman ‘commits suicide’ because she spoke a handful of words in a phone prank.
Keith Vaz uses the bereaved family to launder his reputation as one of the greasiest people to ever to enter Parliament.
And now there are two, maybe three, ‘suicide’ notes.
I listened to the call on Youtube and the woman has next to no part in what is plainly nothing more than run-of-the-mill radio show silliness.
Whatever it was that killed that woman, it wasn’t those two Aussie DJs.
Three suicide notes, indeed.
Interesting speculation that the homosexual marriage proposal is an EU initiative which is why Cameron is in such a mess. He drew the short straw and is leading on it.
Henry
December 13th, 2012 – 17:24
Why is Vaz involved?
Henry 17:24
“A woman ‘commits suicide’ because she spoke a handful of words in a phone prank.”
From the outset I have found this case disturbing.
Before I go any further I would point out that my own mother committed suicide by hanging as did her father my maternal grandfather over thirty years previously.
Both were mentally ill at the time and though these were great tragedies for our family were not wholly unexpected, in that those who suffer from their illnesses are more inclined to suicide.
I have said that I find this case disturbing for a couple of reasons, the first is the hushed reverential tone set by the media and in particular the BBC whenever this case is being discussed, I doubt such reverence would be awarded were the dead person a from a white British background.
My second reason, is that; I am truly amazed that an individual who was so mentally fragile could be working in such a high stress occupation, we hear daily of patient neglect in our hospitals, can they now not look after their own?
AWK1 13th, – 16:19
“The National Association of Mothers’ Centers” :-0
Aye, but the ‘Mothers’ Union’ never called itself ‘The National Union of Mothers’?
David Ossitt
December 13th, 2012 – 19:43Henry 17:24
“My second reason, is that; I am truly amazed that an individual who was so mentally fragile could be working in such a high stress occupation, we hear daily of patient neglect in our hospitals, can they now not look after their own?
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Hello, David, I trained as a nurse with girls from many backgrounds, and one thing I learned is that it is hard to know what is in another person’s mind. Even close friends, with whom one worked and spent recreation had large areas which were unknown and private. We can judge outward behaviour, evaluate work skills, and recognise compassion, but rarely can we see into the most intimate depths of a personality. It is even hard to know ourselves! I am a critic of the terrible way hispitals and the medical services here are run, but in this case I do not think the hospital is to blame. Could they have forecefully held this unfortunate woman when the news broke? Were there any signs that she was going to kill herself? I should think there were no indicsations of the tragedy which took place. The saddest thing is that she could have killed herself at any time, for any reason, leaving her family distraught. Only one thing I am sure of: Vas hasn’t involved himself for reasons of kindness, yet another greasy pole for him to climb.
Ostrich (occasionally)
December 13th, 2012 – 19:46
I’m defeated! 🙁
Much fabulous stuff here this week – as usual! And I’m grateful to those who wrote so excellently about the Pat Finucane case. No surprises that the BBC et al omitted to let everyone know that he had three I think, or perhaps only two, brothers who weren’t just members of the IRA, but were convicted on charges of terrorism. One of them being one of the three IRA bastards shot on Gibraltar. Finucane himself, being given privileged access to his clients in prison acted as a message boy. He was part of a terrorist organisation. So yet another enquiry at the behest of the IRA – remember the one they had because the IRA accused the British Army of a shoot-to-kill policy? What exactly was the IRA policy? The contempt I have for all British Governments pre-dates by a long way its present treacheries, and its appeasement of terrorism cost untold suffering and allowed murder to run rampant long after the Army could have finished the IRA for ever. Let’s have an enquiry into that.
One thing which seems not to have been discussed at all in the acres of space devoted to the nurse’s suicide is the role of the Royal Protection Officers (except here by, of course, Frank P – hope you’re well Frank. You’re missed here.) Are they so lacking in any street imagination that they didn’t think it prudent to have an officer fielding all calls to Kate’s ward? Well, these are the guys who let children unknown to them of Prince Harry take pictures of him naked. Thick or what?
“To come back to Tommy Robinson, I know I’m not in the UK, but I have seen nothing on his incarceration in the mainstream media on the net.
It is a case that has all the hallmarks of the Establishment putting the frighteners on someone and if he was a Muslim this would be on all the TV stations and in all the mainstream papers, but no.”
You shoot your own argument down, Henry.
If the Establishment turned against Islam (as they most probably will when its too late), there would be wall-to-wall negative coverage of the vile cult right across the media, with the BBC leading the way, demanding the removal of Muslims from every societal role and changing the voting system to prevent its abuse by aliens.
Watch as UKIP start to get the same flack as the BNP and EDL. They have been allowed to develop as an ‘acceptable’ political safety valve but they, and particularly Farage, have become too successful. The Rotherham Fostering case let the curtain slip a little and I think we can expect more of the same, with Farage finding his invites to the BBC drying up and the thugs of the left starting to turn up at meetings and destroy UKIP’ s right to freedom of speech.
And when their supporters complain, it will be they who get arrested, not the great unwashed leftie scum.
Just finished watching “Panorama” on BBC TV 1. Three families made homeless, two with children, and living (if one can call it living) in temporary accomodation. I will not discuss whether some of them were at fault, or whether they were treated badly, I will simply state that they are all ethnically white British subjects. No Vas, no Dwarf from Liberty to protect them. Sad.
Clear Memories
December 13th, 2012 – 22:01
Ukip are also seen as weakening the Conservatives which is why the illiberal liberals allow them air time.
IRISHBOY
December 13th, 2012 – 21:17
Yes the family was deeply involved in the IRA but Patrick had the brains and was too valuable to be risked.
We will eventually know just how important he was, but not until his death has been exploited to its maximum extent.
This should be dealt with as a question of what is meant by “State collusion” as the Republic may not be keen to have the activities of certain members of the Garda Siochana looked at too closely.
Fraser Nelson has a piece in the Telegraph about “Culture Wars” and how alien they are to the British. He uses the homosexual marriage issue to illustrate it.
The problem is the illiberal nature of the people who describe themselves as liberal. We now know they can’t be trusted and once a law is passed the judiciary will alter it to impose an extreme version.
Remember abortion? Was the present situation ever invisaged? Would any “locks” prevent priests being forced on threat of imprisonment to “marry” people of the same sex in churches?
Hitchens described them on QT tonight as “liberal bigots”, referring to Will Self who was even more obnoxious than usual.
I’ve just been reading some of the essays by Takuan Seiyo on Gates of Vienna (thanks to a link here on CHW, I think, but I can’t find it!).
The series of essays named The Bee and the Lamb and Strategic Citizenship may chime with many here, I think.
Links to both can be found here (beneath the essay, above the comments) : http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/free-university-of-brussels-is-not-free.html
Thanks to whoever it was here whose link steered me this way!
More on the US Marine in jail in Mexico after declaring an antique shotgun to Mexican Customs while in transit to Costa Rica.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/13/father-marine-jailed-in-mexico-recounts-extortion-call/
I saw Panorama and, although I got the impression one family hadn’t helped themselves, I noted all the subjects were treated like trash by the housing offices and that they were all white and some were living in what, according to the census, are likely to be areas where there is a white minority (London, in this case Streatham and Croydon).
Here’s where it gets interesting.
Once you are inside the council housing system, you know how to play it. First, for yourself, and then, if you can, for friends and family.
My daughter this year was looking to privately rent a room in London. She went to one viewing that was extremely plush and got talking to what she thought was the owner.
It turned out she wasn’t the owner. It was a council flat. How on earth had this person letting a room in it bagged this opulent council flat? Why, when she used to work in the housing office.
And there she was, shamelessly sub-letting it, using taxpayer money to fund her own gain.
She was on the welfare once as a tenant and then helping herself to to other people’s cash by letting one room out to a private tenant (undeclared, of course).
I spoke to somebody afterwards who does repairs on council homes and they confirmed that is where the plum deals are got: know someone on the inside or work on the inside and the system is very easy to play to your advantage – and boy do the council housing staff like to ‘keep it in the family’.
That person then told me that the housing offices he works with in London are now almost exclusively run by… ah, but the census can fill that bit in for you.
That’s why you see a certain type of person doing rather better with their council housing than the white people on Panorama!
I see their Lordships have voted to strike out the ‘insult’ word from the Public Order Act.
How ironic it was proposed by an ex-Copper. But then, he would know better than anyone that the current Thick-as-Pigshit, Thugs-In-Uniform will abuse any piece of legislation if they want to oppress somebody and get them off the streets.
If Dear wants to do something useful, why not propose a change in the law so that citizens who suffer arrest based upon a wrongful interpretation of statute can sue at a personal level the prat who got it wrong (usually on purpose) and require the removal of said dimwit from HMC.
And surely it’s time that all ‘freedom’ and ‘rights’ legislation was amended so as not to apply to any member of the vile cult as they do not believe in personal freedom and human rights?
Henry, December 13th, 2012 – 17:24
It’s a very sad case.
I am in 100% agreement with you.
I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the “quick fix” of blaming a scapegoat( i.e. the Aussie radio show) is starting to unravel. There is more to this than has yet been discovered. The UK is badly in need of some real investigative journalists.
Why is the egregious Vaz involved?
Because the family couldn’t speak English?
Because of some other connection?
It is very odd that Keith Viz has made himself spokesman for the family. Any family in such a situation deserves sympathy. But I am not sure that independent enquiries can be demanded. It would seem the woman had not even spoken to her husband about the hoax call or her feelings. It does seem all very odd.
How does a devout Catholic commit suicide without talking to her husband about the event that supposedly precipitated it? Just doesn’t make sense.
VAZ!
“Today Vaz is railing against the DJs who made the hoax phone call which led to Mrs Saldanha’s sad death. Yet he is the same man who invited Russell Brand to give ‘expert’ testimony on the legalisation of drugs to his Home Affairs Select Committee.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2247795/Jacintha-Saldanhas-death-Who-does-Keith-Vaz-think-Tony-Soprano.html
Tracey
December 14th, 2012 – 01:25
Refugees and asylum seekers also have a built in support system to see them through the system so they get maximum benefits and housing.
We have a population problem more than a housing problem because Labour introduced an open doors immigration policy without changing the law. They do seem to have made sure key officials in the immigration and legal system agreed with their policy though.
From the DT:
“Labour did little to prevent segregation, says Ed Miliband”
Are we supposed to rejoice over one sinner that repents (a little)?
PfM 14th, – 09:26
“How does a devout Catholic commit suicide without talking to her husband about the event that supposedly precipitated it? Just doesn’t make sense.”
I think that’s what’s bugging a lot of people.
Well-wisher
December 14th, 2012 – 00:10
I had to turn it off: it was beyond parody.
How the term “liberal” has been allowed to be attached to these illiberal people, who force conformity to their beliefs on everyone, is the most remarkable feat of marketing in history.
Clear Memories 14th, – 03:14
If Dear wants to do something useful, why not propose a change in the law so that citizens who suffer arrest based upon a wrongful interpretation of statute can sue at a personal level the prat who got it wrong (usually on purpose) and require the removal of said dimwit from HMC.
Now THAT could be the basis for something useful!
They are “flagship” cases that are used by political parties and pressure groups to advance their own agendas, usually prematurely and by drawing instant conclusions. It is prevalent everywhere and is just a form of bandwagon jumping to get maximum publicity. The victim becomes an icon for the agenda, a martyr to whichever “evil” the agenda is arraigned against. Sometimes they end up with a knee-jerk law, the nut-crushing sledgehammer, which is given the victim’s name in twee mawkishness – Damien’s Law, Priscilla’s Law, etc. A weird expression of legislative grief that both seeks to punish the surrogates of the original perpetrator(s) and memorialise the victim(s). I’m not belittling the tragedies or crimes involved, btw, but I believe in the impartiality and impersonality of law which is essential to objective justice.
In some cases the intervention of politicians is to deliberately distract from something else. In Vaz’s case in mid-October he was facing a HoC investigation as result of police finding “suspicious” amounts of money totalling £500,000 in multiple bank accounts deposited by Vaz from 1997 to 2001. He claimed they were the proceeds of property deals and that he had done no wrong. That story seems to have died quickly (Vaz is not a Conservative MP or the BBC would have made sure it stayed very much alive until it involved the PM) and the outcome of it is now obscure.
I fully agree that there is not enough sanction against those who bring malicious or reckless cases, including the police themselves.
For example, the routine door smashing is an act of violence absolutely contrary to Peel’s principles, viz:-
“Police use physical force to the extent necessary to secure observance of the law or to restore order only when the exercise of persuasion, advice, and warning is found to be insufficient.”
Without a prior demand for entry this principle has not been observed and the routine of forced entry now established must be questioned. As far as I know it has never been debated. The old warrants used to make it clear that entry could only be forced if it was refused so I wonder how and why this has changed and who sanctioned that.
If the police officer involved in giving the order for forced entry could be arraigned on charges of criminal damage and common assault (should the case be found to be false, malicious or unwarranted) then the execution of this power and the physical force exerted against private property might be more circumspect and considered rather than becoming just a standard operating procedure with all its totalitarian connotations (even in old films agents of the Gestapo can be seen to demand entry before breaking in doors!)
The concept of charging police officers under criminal law for their actions in pursuing enforcement of the law is entirely consistent with another Peelian principle, viz:-
“Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent upon every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.”
This is another principle that appears to have been abandoned as the police become a political instrument of the state and behave in ways that make them appear to be above the law.
And it is also the principle that is subverted when police arrest members of the public who have attempted to defend themselves or their families against criminality and/or executed citizen’s arrests.
Tracey 14th, – 01:25
“That person then told me that the housing offices he works with in London are now almost exclusively run by… ah, but the census can fill that bit in for you.”
Aye, we had the same problem in Belfast 40 years ago…but if you said so, you were a bigot.
DAILY MAIL COMMENT: Libya and a stain on Britain’s conscience
Not really. More a comment on how many fell for the walking, talking sleaze bag that is Blair.
Not content with starting an illegal war on behalf of the American President, he was equally happy to soil his hands colluding with shit from the opposite end of the human spectrum.
He wandered off on his great adventures and allowed the one-eyed Scottish bigot to destroy the UK – did he really take Oppenheimers famous quote* to heart?
Why are the people of this nation expected to pay £2 million or more to another vile
raghead!!
AWK and any other interested parties, the redoubtable Peter Hitchens has recently posted on the nursing profession (decline thereof).
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2012/12/what-went-wrong-with-nursing.html
Let’s not get too hasty to infer causation from correlation but I can’t help noticing that truculence of the boys in blue has risen proportionately to their becoming a graduate profession.
“It’s very hard to get past the feeling that China is planning something major very soon.”
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/12/13/14-Dec-12-World-View-Japan-scrambles-F-15-jets-to-challenge-Chinese-surveillance-plane
Andy Car Park
December 14th, 2012 – 13:19
Graduates in sociobabble in the main, I believe.
I contacted Nigel Farage yesterday…
I asked him about those concerns which had been reported of him in regard to the election in Rotherham. As a result of correspondence I am going to try and review the Electoral Roll for Rotherham and produce a report considering the numbers of people registering for the election against the size of the property. This may or may not show something significant.
I am not yet sure how to get hold of the Electoral Roll. So if anyone has any ideas to save me driving to Rotherham I would appreciate them.
Andy Car Park
December 14th, 2012 – 13:19
Thanka, Andy, this grumpy woman has a tear in her eye, that article recalled Night Sister Jefferson, a veteran of the First World War, Queen Alexanders Nursing Corps, and rumoured, but not proved the Boer War!!!! She was just like your aunt Ena, tiny, ferocious and a brilliant nurse. The terror of student nurses, the saviour of the very sick. The last time I saw her, in 1957, she broke my heart. A little old lady in mufti, she had been forcefuklly retired when they found out she was nearly 80. Tiny pension, no home, the Nurses Home had been her refuge, and nowhere for her beloved cat Tinkerbell. That’s how we treat our heroines.
When did the implementation of English justice depend on the state of mind of the accused?
Has something changed?
Or were we always as wishy-washy as we now appear to be?
The lovely Anni Dewani died at the hands of three criminals (all now behind bars) whilst on her honeymoon in South Africa two years ago, all three of these killers claim that they were paid do this dreadful crime by her husband Shrien Dewani.
All attempts by South Africa (a member of the Commonwealth) have failed because
Shrien Dewani is being treated here in the UK for traumatic stress disorder and severe depression.
If he is involved in this crime, then it would be strange if he were not suffering from severe depression, but that, and traumatic stress can, like, ‘sever back pain’ be very hard to disprove but in any case why should either condition be a get out of Court card?
We are now told that the ex-labour MP the thief, Margaret Moran has been given a supervision and treatment order for her theft of more than £53,000 from us the tax-payer.
She will not get a criminal conviction for making fraudulent and bogus expenses claims because she is deemed not fit to plead because of her severe depression.
Of course this disgusting woman is depressed, she has lost her job, a job that paid her in salary and legitimate expenses vastly more that her so very limited talents would earn on the open market.
She is depressed because she has been caught out and now she knows that she is hated and reviled by all honest men and women.
But she should now be doing time, the better for her to reflect on her disgusting behaviour.
Well, rather the Chinese than the mohammdans. At least the Chinese are, in the main, good looking and have very nice dress sense and good hair styles. Also, they are not fat slobs. Eved their dieties are elegant. The Middle East would be better dressed if the Chinese took over. And gone with the wind would be the burqa.
Verity
December 14th, 2012 – 15:15
I’ve seen some horrible obese Chinese who have spent a generation livig in the UK, but, my dear, I don’t give a damn! 🙂
The BBC just can’t wait to educate us. And our children!
BBC told to put more gay presenters on children’s TV to ‘familiarise’ youngsters with different sexualities.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2247981/BBC-told-gay-presenters-characters-childrens-TV-familiarise-young-people-different-sexualities.html
How will they inform viewers of the presenters’ ‘orientations’?
This is just institutional child abuse on a vast scale. We must be allowed to opt out of the BBC licence fee while it is corrupting our children.
RobertC
December 14th, 2012 – 16:19
Well it makes a change from Jimmy Savile and the old BBC boys’ network. Different horses for different courses, or different pervs for different days.
‘When did the implementation of English justice depend on the state of mind of the accused?’
When he might otherwise get shafted under an extradition treaty skewed in favour of the United States.
“When did the implementation of English justice depend on the state of mind of the accused?”
Actually, much law used to depend on mens rea – the guilty state of mind of the accused, e.g. the intention to do something wrong – in murder “malice aforethought”. This has been subverted in many new offences to put the onus on the “victim” so the offender’s intent no longer matters.
State of mind was also a defence in certain cases.
Peter from Maidstone
December 14th, 2012 – 14:26
An aspect of this I once commented on, with regard to the London borough of Tower Hamlets, is houses in multiple occupation. (HMO) these should be licensed with the local council. There is also possible overcrowding if the numbers of electors said to be in properties, particularly those that are in social housing, are actually there and there are obviously insufficient bedrooms then there are very serious problems.
By the way the Public Register is not complete as you can tick a box to have your details withheld. Full copies are available but have to be requested and may not be released by the council.
Latest from Conservative Home:
Harrogate Borough – Bilton:
Lib Dem 623 (+8.8), Con 395 (-16.1), Lab 208 (-2.1), UKIP 127 (+9.4).
Lib Dem gain from Con.
The other place might employ Guardian rejects, but the posters appear to be of sterner stuff.
Massie’s article on minorities not supporting right wing parties has less than 1% support in the postings. If you add up the approvals of supporting comments and the disapproval of opposing comments, and perform a similar operation for the opposition, the disapprovals win by well over 50 : 1.
The first post and two replies, all pretty scathing about the article, between them have over 100 approvals, and no disapprovals at all, when I last looked. It is laughable, at first, but, though there are many good points raised, it become very boring because it will not make a jot of difference.
Talk about not taking you readers with you. No wonder I stopped my subscription!
So:
Margaret Moran, a former Luton MP, is not in jail after being convicted of stealing £53,000 from the people.
Tommy Robinson, a Luton voter, is in jail in solitary confinement after being convicted of…well, nothing actually.
But the difference is so obvious Malfleur – one cares for England and one doesn’t.
The one that cares is punished.
Well-wisher
December 14th, 2012 – 17:19
Yes, mens rea would not have sat very well with “institutional racism” defined as not needing to be conscious or a racist incident as any incident considered racist by anyone.
Very continental European.
Good morning, folks!
From today’s DT:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/9745573/Immigration-If-someone-asks-Im-British-end-of-story.html
Are we heartened, disheartened, or plain suspicious?
Another example is Theft which requires “dishonestly” appropriating and the intention to “permanently deprive” the property involved. Both elements have to be present.
So it is a defence to the charge if, for example, you took your neighbour’s spade in retaliation because he had borrowed your fork and not returned it (no dishonesty) or you intended to return it later (no intention to deprive). In the old days such a case would probably never have resulted in a crime classification or charge as the police would have sorted it out on complaint at their discretion (without the need to arrest anyone). Now they would act on the basis of the complaint alone, arrest the accused (probably smashing in his door at dawn) and then investigate the circumstances, passing the file to the CPS for a decision as to whether to charge or not. This change in operating procedure is significant but the reason has never been explained let alone justified. Which procedure do you think costs the taxpayer more?
I have also noticed in recent cases a disquieting tendency for police and even CPS to ignore these elements when charging/prosecuting. And of course the requirement to prove a case “beyond a reasonable doubt” went long ago with trial by media and/or certain offences connected with political agendas.
I know that ConservativeHome doesn’t always toe the party line, but a shortened column by John Curtice, Professor of politics at Strathclyde University, originally in Juncture, the journal of the Institute for Public Policy Research, ‘the UK’s leading progressive thinktank’ (and modest with it! wiki describes it as a thinktank based in the UK with a centre-left viewpoint), does appear to have stirred up a hornet’s nest with his suggestion that EdM has it about right:
“In fact, the stance of “staying in Europe but not too tightly bound by Brussels”, which Ed Miliband seems to want to adopt, seems to capture effectively the public mood rather well. ”
Since this view is in Cameron’s comfort zone, you would have thought there would be a smattering of support for this approach, though Hollande’s timing, with the proclamation that EU à la carte is not on offer, has provided much ammunition.
This option has never been on offer, with the Maastricht treaty making it clear that the aim is ever closer political union of the peoples of Europe, so it is either in or out.
http://conservativehome.blogs.com/platform/2012/12/john-curtice.html
Ken Worthy makes a good point that a “Less integrated EU, more like a free trade area” is in fact pretty well the same as leaving the EU and negotiating a free trade agreement with it”.
So, with many such agreements already in place, there is nothing to stop it happening, apart from Cameron, of course!
Bill Whittle on some “unserious people” in the USA – do we have any over here? :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWiE_EzbAyo
Bill Whittle and two colleagues observe (‘Trifecta’) the planned destruction of the USA by its government. Do we have anything like that in Great Britain?
:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiVIK3p9OGs
And here is an analysis of the US debt crisis in clear English which shows the gross irresponsibility of the increase in the public deficit under Obama – “The United States of America is drowning under federal debt.” How are we doing in the United Kingdom? :
http://www.gold-eagle.com/gold_digest_12/hamilton120712.html
What are the implications of this on the geo-political level, as our enemies watch the US military become financially unsupportable and the British military is dismantled? Do we think our very considerable enemies are going to content themselves with merely FIDDLING while the West burns?
RobertC 15th, – 10:27
“the Maastricht treaty making it clear that the aim is ever closer political union of the peoples of Europe, so it is either in or out.”
Nothing made by mere humans lasts forever. The most superficial inspection of the last human lifetime confirms that. Thousand year reichs, Greater East Asia Co-prosperity spheres, the Warsaw pact, the United Arab Republic and many others. Beyond our borders it’s starting to dawn on most of the donor nations of the EU that many aspects of the Maastricht treaty were BA-AD IDEAS. Don’t listen to Hollande, he’s an aberration. Let’s just hope we can unpick it without starting WWIII!
Malfleur – the chickens launched by 44 years of the Long March come home to roost. The irony is that the Lenin/Lennon “struggle” that became the “establishment” is going to be burned along with the rest of us, silly billies.
Malfleur – 10.45
Talking about the British Military being dismantled, see this –
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248476/EU-deal-step-joining-Euro-Army-Leaders-agreed-plans-greater-defence-corporation-Brussels-summit.html
Camoron is even more duplicitous and malevolent than Brown.
Robert C and PfM
Gay presenters for Childrens TV. This seem rather discriminatory to me. Wouldn’t it be all more inclusive to say “And now over to Chris, who’s a bit of a leg man. Thank you Nigel, who, children, is fond of a fat bird, unlike our next guest who likes them boyish and flat-chested.”
The Long March has become a relentless and bloody stampede towards the finishing line.
What I don’t understand, well of course I do, is that over 50% of the population consider themselves Christians, but the BBC would not be interested in ensuring that 50% of their children’s presenters were Christian and able to put forward a demonstration of the Christian faith and life. But they are quite happy to ensure that people whose defining motif is that they engage in a*”l sex are well represented among children’s presenters, and want more stories featuring such people on all programmes.
This is beyond sick and into evil.
Jimmy Savile and Gary Glitter have essentially taken over the asylum. They should not be condemned by the BBC but commended for being ahead of their time when it came to child sexual abuse.
I understand that the BBC’s intention is to have more “visibly gay” presenters on kids’ TV.
What does “visibly” mean? Candidates to be assessed on the flamboyance of their mincing? A tendency to lapse , Julian and Sandy-like, into Polari at the drop of floppy brimmed hat? Surely the only ways they would be “visibly gay” would be as stereotypes as offensive to the average gay as the Black and White Minstrel show apparently was to blacks.
Pfm and Frank Sutton
Indeed Peter, this is utterly vile.
The Left’s purpose is served by their never ending agitation and making normal, yes normal ordinary people feel uncomfortable in all their feelings, instincts and beliefs. But to do this to children, well they’re already well down the road of abuse with their sex education for five year olds, is horrible.
Children have in my experience an in-built and sharply defined sense of what they can accept in terms of physical contact. How often have I seen them say “Ugh!” when they see their Mum and Dad kissing a little, or even holding hands. For most little boys, the thought of being interested in girls is anathema, and vice versa.
And in all the Savile brouhaha not once was Harman, interviewed often on the subject, asked about her published views in the 70s when she held that sex between an adult and a child could actually be enhancing for both parties.
There can be no relativism here. This is not Good, it is Evil. It is not Right, it is Wrong.
Here’s an exchange between me and one Davy Gravy on Brendan O’Neill’s recent DT blog The victory of the ‘me, me, me’ marriage:
FrankS
Spot on, Mr O’Neill – the fact that marriage is about more than the wishes of two people has been largely ignored in the discussions of this issue. I suppose it will still attract the usual unthinking accusation of bigotry.
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Davy_Gravy
I have thought very hard about it, and have come to the conclusion that it is down to insensitivity rather than bigotry,
FrankS
Insensivity to what?
Davy_Gravy
Insensitivity to the rights of the minority to carry on making choices that empower them regardless of the views of the majority affected by them.
Looking at Davy Gravy’s last utterance, I’m wondering: Is he a total tosser or a subtle satirist?
Suggestions please!
“China has launched a crackdown on a cult it says is calling for a “decisive battle” to slay the “Red Dragon” Communist Party, and which has been spreading doomsday rumours, state media said on Friday. In recent weeks, hundreds of members of the “Almighty God” group have clashed with police, sometimes outside government buildings, in central Henan, northern Shaanxi and southwestern Gansu provinces, according to photos on popular microblogs. (The group) has “incited followers to launch a decisive battle with the ‘Big Red Dragon’, to make the ‘Red Dragon’ extinct and to establish the reign of the kingdom of the ‘Almighty God'”, the provincial Shaanxi Daily said on its website. It added that the sect’s followers have been distributing leaflets saying that the world will end in 2012. China’s Communist Party brooks no challenge to its rule and is obsessed with social stability. It has particularly taken aim at cults, which have multiplied across the country in recent years. Demonstrations have been put down with force and some sect leaders executed.
“The State Bureau of Religious Affairs has already documented the group’s cult nature, has outlawed it and is presently harshly cracking down,” the Shaanxi Daily said.”
Sounds a bit like history repeating itself and a re-run of the Taiping Rebellion but against the Communist rather than Imperial government.
But note the Government reaction from the The State Bureau of Religious Affairs. I can’t help feeling European governments are going down this path and that eventually sites like this one will be outlawed.
A Human Rights Commission in Canada seem to have found a somewhat new topic over which to assert its jurisdiction –
http://www.timescolonist.com/news/local/woman-sues-over-restaurant-s-albino-label-1.28504
Herbert Thornton – 16.48. so, does that me sexist when I serve coq-au-vin?
It just confirms my belief that Socialism isn’t an ideology, it’s a pathology.
“Socialism isn’t an ideology, it’s a pathology.”
Another great aphorism!
The BBC makes me sick! Listened, to Woman’s Hour, and heard nasty ‘feminists’ complaining at what a lot of work ‘making Christmas’ involves women. “If it was left to men, we would eat eggs and chips on Christmas Day”! Winge, moan, whine, groan. No joy in serving delicacies to the family, no pride in making a warm home, no pleasure in seeing the joy in their families eyes. With such mean-spirited females, preaching homosexuality can be seen as a logical way. That is the creed of Harriet Harman and other horrible people. For a long time these lunatics have been saying G-d is a woman. Soon they will be saying the Creator is Gay.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1
December 15th, 2012 – 17:51
Indeed, Anne. I watched a TV programme recently in which a woman was saying “It’s only now really that women have truly begun to enter into society and are playing a full part”…. my thoughts were as yours, that obviously the years spent nurturing children and running a good home meant nothing to them.
Peter Hitchens talked recently about his view that feminism is in fact, deep down, a male construct. He argued that when undeveloped countries began to do cheaper the essential jobs such as coal mining, the West had to find other industries that it could excel in, mainly desk jobs. Women were better at these jobs as they were brought up to focus on more than one thing at a time and were more diligent administrators. Therefore, women had to be removed from the home to perform these functions. That’s where “feminism” comes in. And women were tantalised about having jobs, “independence”, etc. Fooled into thinking that they were better off slaving away in a strip-lit open plan offices for peanuts than they were being looked after by a husband and spending their lives raising a healthy family. A lot of women work these days when they don’t need to… why? It wouldn’t surprise me if a lot of women secretly dreamed of being a successful homemaker rather than corporate admin slaves. (This is not to denigrate in any way successful, intelligent women who set up businesses or carve out great careers for themselves etc, I’m just talking about the majority).
If this is true, then corporations cause society a lot of misery. Not only have they destroyed the family in their quest for cheap admin labour, but they are destroying demographics by keeping mass immigration going in order to get even more cheap labour and to control wages.
Maybe the Gramsci machine was accelerated by big business.
Dean Street
Dean, you have described the situation perfectly. It’s a tragedy, resulting in disturbed children: were there ever so many over-active, obese, Aspergers, anorexic offspring? Broken marriages, casual couplings, alcoholism, unhappy adults? The Socialists the must be rubbing their hands with glee. They have succeeded in destroying large segments of society, and all without firing a shot.
RobertC
December 15th, 2012 – 10:27
Managers in the Anglosphere are taught to aim for a Win win in negotiation so that the deal holds. The French seem to favour the Versailles approach so when they saw Heath would accept any terms a deal that was not in the UK’s interest was agreed. This could never hold as it is very difficult to sell an agreement where we pay something like £10 billion a year in contributions in order to run a trade deficit of £48 billion a year.
That is without considering why the 90% of our economy that is not involved in foreign trade with the EU or anywhere else still needs to implement laws made in Brussels.
PeterFM @ 13.08
Excellent observations, Peter.
What has been lost in the tsunami of the sophisticated arguments about gay marriage are two key things, both simple.
First, the proposal elevates an act of pure sexual gratification (that many regard as abhorrent) to the level of heterosexual coupling for reproductive purposes. Sex got debased to nothing more than a glass of beer, a line of coke, or any other avenue of pleasure that we seek to attain a state of permanent happiness. This never was, still ain’t the reason for sex, and we may regret it.
Second, even if the law passes it won’t be the end of it. A part of the homosexual community (it’s only a part, and a small one at that) will continue to need more doses of ‘assurances’ that their sexual orientation is on par with that of man-woman coupling for it’s they who feel it isn’t.
Baron’s off Charles Moore, but his take on the gay marriage resonates fully with his.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9745592/When-Conservatives-forget-how-to-be-conservative-they-lose.html
Clear Memories
December 13th, 2012 – 22:01
The only way Tommy Robinson will get anything approaching justice, as well as help his country, is to take his case to an International court.
Imagine what Russia and the Middle Eastern countries our political class constantly criticise will make of it.
If we can pay millions to Muslim terrorists handed to our allies…
IRISHBOY ON December 15th, 2012 – 13:04
‘And now over to Chris, who’s a bit of a leg man. …’
Excellent suggestion, not only more more inclusive, but entertaining and educational, but it would need to be after the watershed, though pantomimes seemed to have got away with similar for years.
I find the question of animals having souls a difficult one to answer, as the following tale illustrates:
Man, to boy with dog: Hello boy, what’s the name of your dog?
Boy, to man: I don’t know, but we call him Rover.
ConRes poll tomorrow Ukip 14% (+6%) Lab 39% (-4%) Con 28% (-3%) Lib 9% (-1%)
I am concerned for Frank P. who has not been around the last few days. I hope those of us with faith will remember him tomorrow wherever we find ourselves.
Excellent post by Mr. Boot who says…
Our political class is now made up of such cancerous cells. For the first time in the history of these Isles it works not for the nation but against it. Fully aware of its own incompatibility with traditional civilisation, the political class craves to destroy it, for otherwise it itself will be destroyed.
http://www.alexanderboot.com/content/it%E2%80%99s-not-just-labour%E2%80%99s-fault
Peter from Maidstone
December 15th, 2012 – 21:25
I’m thinking of Frank P and wish him well.
IRISHBOY (15 Dec – 16:53)
The short answer to your question is ‘yes’ – serving coq au vin is sure to offend somebody. Just as the nuresery I recently bought a few shrubs from could well be in danger because they described the shrubs as “dwarf’. Probably the same if you sell Redskin potatoes. Or Black Puddings. Or Ginger Nut biscuits.
AWK1 15th, – 17:51
“heard nasty ‘feminists’ complaining at what a lot of work ‘making Christmas’ involves women. “If it was left to men, we would eat eggs and chips on Christmas Day”! Winge, moan, whine, groan. etc etc”
That’s what happens when you put the means of production into the hands of the people. 😉
PfM 15th, – 21:25
“I am concerned for Frank P. who has not been around the last few days. I hope those of us with faith will remember him tomorrow wherever we find ourselves.”
While I echo your concern, Frank’s gone off the radar a few times before, and always come back; an’ there’s nowt that we on this site can usefully do to help.
A little experiment… the spell checker here (as on other sites) reasonably enough flags up a word that is perhaps my coinage alone – “heterophobic”; but “homophobic” goes unchallenged.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 17:51
“The BBC makes me sick! Listened, to Woman’s Hour, and heard nasty ‘feminists’ complaining at what a lot of work ‘making Christmas’ involves women. “If it was left to men, we would eat eggs and chips on Christmas Day”! Winge, moan, whine, groan. No joy in serving delicacies to the family, no pride in making a warm home, no pleasure in seeing the joy in their families eyes. With such mean-spirited females, preaching homosexuality can be seen as a logical way. That is the creed of Harriet Harman and other horrible people. For a long time these lunatics have been saying G-d is a woman. Soon they will be saying the Creator is Gay.”
Hello Anne as you can see I have taken the liberty of repeating your post in full as I agree with every word; I also listened to the program mentioned and was appalled at the lack of kindness and generosity of spirit, one of the women was particularly mean and nasty.
The same program a day or two later had a woman claiming that she finds some other women in positions of authority are entirely unsuitable as their attitude to those who work beneath them are treated by them badly but then did a full about turn.
She blamed this on men because these women who are bad managers have not had sufficient experience to do better, you could not make it up.
Baron 19:29
“A part of the homosexual community (it’s only a part, and a small one at that) will continue to need more doses of ‘assurances’ that their sexual orientation is on par with that of man-woman coupling for it’s they who feel it isn’t.”
“for it’s they who feel it isn’t”
They are wholly correct in feeling thus.
David Ossitt 11:22
So, they are uncomfortable with their own decision.
As we know, it is easier to change yourself than to change the ‘Rest of the World’, when it is about someone else’s situation.
Ostrich (occasionally) on December 15th, 2012 – 11:44
“Don’t listen to Hollande … Let’s just hope we can unpick it [the Maastricht treaty] …”
On the contrary, the whole world needs to listen to Hollande! The sooner everyone realises how profound and wise his pronouncements are, the better the world will be. I believe his utterances will help to fuel the unpicking of the EU and all that it represents. And we have to have a laugh every now and then!
I am still savouring the proclamation of the head of the Bank of France’s demand that London’s position as the main financial centre in Europe should be removed. The French authorities appointed him because they deemed him a suitable candidate to run a bank, yet he doesn’t understand that London has earned its position by making decisions, daily, that have accumulated over hundreds of years to give the result that we have today, yet could be lost easily. Look at RBS, HBOS and Marconi for examples of how it has gone wrong for an organisation that had become a fixture. A banker who doesn’t understand business? What ever next?
The EU, and the people within it, in positions of power, do not have this wariness to motivate them into thinking in a ‘living’ way. OK, so we all want growth, but it’s not economic growth, its personal growth we yearn for as we are alive, and it is being misinterpreted by the politicians. It might, from time to time, result in economic growth, but that should be in passing.
It is because Hollande’s approach IS the ‘European approach’ that it needs to be heard by everyone; the more people realise that the sooner the downfall will come. The worshipping of the EU and the Euro at the expense of the people of Europe, is contrary to ‘Loving your neighbour as yourself’. As the EU is shown to be unsustainable, the Euro will be used to prop it up, until it fragments, country by country.
‘Phobe’ is now entirely de-valued. It is just lefty pejorative code for a non-lefty willing to articulate disagreement against their coercive orthodoxy. They hate that so must try to degrade opponents willing to fight them as suffering mental aberration. The Soviet Union locked dissidents up in mental asylums which is the physical equivalent of what they seek to do.
I prefer the term dissident. The left just can’t handle dissidents in any shape or form and express more real hatred towards them than anything their stupid laws are supposed to prevent. More hypocrisy from the masters of hypocrisy.
An American pushes back:
“If you act like a nation of sheep, you will be ruled by wolves.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OooSiHs_L1s
*****
“They’re enslaving us. It’s a plantation economy.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRldCPH3mNI
Mark Carney…Carney spent thirteen years with Goldman Sachs in its London, Tokyo, New York and Toronto offices….Now heads the Bank of England
Goldman Sachs Gang is now running our central bank. Anyone have a problem with that?
Mario Draghi…Draghi was [then] vice chairman and managing director of Goldman Sachs International and a member of the firm-wide management committee (2002–2005)…..Now heads European Central Bank……? Anyone have a problem with that?
Goldman Sachs Gang is now running the European Central Bank?
This is an abbreviated update from the English Defence League site:
“Tommy Robinson The Category A Prisoner!
… Tommy has not been convicted of a single crime, yet the prisons, their governors and all “responsible people’s” have treated him as if he were a “convicted terrorist”, Tommy has not plotted to take the lives of innocent people, he does not follow an ideology that believes in supremacism, nor does he want to, he is a man who stands against such things. How can a man who has played an active part in highlighting the very things that any sensible morally guided human being would follow, become persecuted so much with little to no evidence of wrongdoing?
It’s because he speaks the truth, uncomfortable, even unpalatable truths, he does not shy away from them (unlike our cowardly and repressive political tyrants). Our political masters know that he won’t be silenced no matter how much they try to intimidate or coerce. Tommy, as will the thousands that follow him, will not under any circumstance give in to the bullying tactics of state oppressors or the Islamist filth that cause our communities so much harm.
Since our last update from Tommy he was moved onto the block (he was segregated on the hospital wing) so he has no exercise, no “air time” and no possessions other than the clothes he is wearing.
The governor in Bedfordshire prison (Mr Brannigan) and the state seem to be colluding to make life as hard as possible for Tommy, it’s a move they may well come to regret.
The EDL have always played a part in giving the silent majority a voice, a means to air their views and concerns in a democratic way, an outlet for their understandable anger and outrage at things like Muslim rape gangs, Islamic ghettos, terrorism etc etc etc…..
Unfortunately it gets worse…..
Tommy was moved to the block as he faces accusations of “recruiting prison inmates for the EDL”, an allegation that would not be so funny if he were not segregated from every other prison inmate anyway, a farcical and ridiculous charge if we have ever heard one, how can any individual recruit members into the EDL while being segregated?
The authorities and the governor are clearly scared, but now they have poured petrol over flames that were already burning with ferocity!
Tommy was carted away as he was told that he was to attend court in St. Albans, Tommy challenged this as he and his brief had no notice of it, he duly arrived only to be told by the clerk that they were not expecting him at all, by the time he returned his possessions were confiscated from him and a move to the block was facilitated during the time made available for a non existent court hearing!
It gets worse still…..
Tommy has now been moved to Milton Keynes Woodhill, a category “A” prison where he will now share his time with murderers and “real” terrorists. The inmates of this prison are serving life sentences for a plethora of different offences, no doubt Islamic terrorism being a major reason behind the numbers that dwell there.
So now that it appears the governor and the state are complicit in the continued detention of Tommy Robinson, complicit in removing and ignoring his human rights even though he has not been convicted of anything, complicit in angering many thousands of people worldwide, complicit in ruining any chance he had of seeing his friends and family over Christmas, complicit in ruining the life of an individual who has the balls and backbone to deal with Islamic supremacism…..”
“Why do the nations so furiously rage together?
Why do the people imagine a vain thing?”
(Just been decorating the Christmas tree while ‘The Messiah’ plays.)
RobertC 16th, – 12:00
“On the contrary, the whole world needs to listen to Hollande! The sooner everyone realises how profound and wise his pronouncements are, the better the world will be. I believe his utterances will help to fuel the unpicking of the EU and all that it represents. And we have to have a laugh every now and then!”
Fair enough, Robert!
Malfleur
December 16th, 2012 – 14:50
Mr. Robinson’s case is disturbing on a number of levels but what almost appears to be a News Blackout on it by the MSM is one of the most disturbing aspects.
Are there other dissidents in our prisons we never hear of? How long will he serve on remand before the case is heard? What if he is found innocent, surely this would lead to compensation and publicity so if he is found guilty it might just be considered convenient for the establishment rather than correct.
TOMMY ROBINSON: I don’t know how this sounds to other fellow bloggers, but it seems to me that ‘preaching to the converted’ will not help the poor man. How about if all those who believe a gross violation of democratic life has taken place contact Amnesty International. Not that I have much faith in that organisation, but it will mean that Robinson’s case will have an international coverage. Second move, we contact Liberty. This is a useless organisation, but it will cause waves, and publicity. Thirdly, let the EU know what is happening, and even the United Nations.
Anne Wotana Kaye 1
December 16th, 2012 – 17:40
Yes I think you are right about spreading awareness. I certainly have been dropping it in comments.
Since picking it up I have started to look at the Google links and it is already on various foreign sites. This is one of the reasons I find it so strange that our own MSM has not dealt with it. There does not seem any aspect that would attract a D Notice, do you have any suggestions?
James102
December 16th, 2012 – 18:40
Suggestions? Well apart from storming the ‘Bastille’ where he is being held, and I cannot see the tamed citizens moving from their fireside chairs, I suggest we have a poll here and see if any posters want to contact Amnesty International for starters.
Anyone else see the Unthank sisters exploring English winter traditions on BBC4 tonight? Excellent, especially the Lewes bonfire festival and what the young English people participating said about English tradition, the defiant message of their town’s independence, the free English people and freedom of speech. Bet Cameron hated it. They burnt him in effigy.
James102 @ 15:27
Gates of Vienna has now posted a slightly different abbreviation of the piece from the EDL site about Tommy Robinson/s move to a “Category A” prison in Milton Keynes – http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/12/tommy-category-prisoner.html
On the question whether there are other dissidents in jail in England, I don’t know. I have not heard of any such in the commonly understood sense of the word, but of course “Political Correctness” may have imparted a very elastic character to the concept. For instance, a comment at the Gates of Vienna piece, a commenter, one “John in Cheshire”, writes in part:
“If Tommy’s fate is bad then I return again to Emma West, the girl on the Croydon tram who screamed,”None of you is f…n English, why don’t you f… off back home”. She is in prison and her child has been removed from her. But to show how far Britain is becoming a Soviet style police state, she is undergoing psychological profiling because she is resisting re-eduction. This means they are trying to prove she is a nutter and lock her up in a looney bin for criticising the Marxist Multicultural One World Revolution. Her child will never be returned to her. Here in Britain my friends we are a short step away from the gulags. All nationalists will be faced with re-education or to be judged criminally insane, whereas the criminally insane are the ones ruling the world now.”
I believe Tommy Robinson’s next appearance in court is set for 7th January (he has been on remand since towards the end of October). Do we have anyone in the Luton area who might be able to attend the hearing and report back?
*****
Anne Wotana Kaye 1 @ 17:40
I am waiting to find out, possibly on 7th January, what the charge of using a false ID to travel to the USA to attend a conference is all about and how well-founded; not because I believe that if Mr. Robinson were to be found guilty of a breach of the new law under which the charge was brought that would make him a criminal who is not worthy of our support, but rather because I would like to have that part of the jigsaw in place before AI or Liberty is approached.
On a more general level, what I would like to see is the media raise in press conferences and interviews with our politicians questions about responsibility for islamic immigration, what benefits were supposed to flow from it, whether it was a conscious policy, to what extent those politicians are aware of the content of islamic ideology, especially where it refers to tolerance of the rights of others, and whether they think muslim immigration should be promoted, curbed or reversed. These are of course the questions raised, as far as I can see, by the EDL albeit in rather more robust and rough-hewn language than is likely to be the case if our reporters were allowed or found the courage to pin our politicians down on these matters.
It is also clear to me that a full debate on immigration in parliament is required.
By the way, as part of my education I just learned that according to Wikipedia at least, Category A prisoners are
“Those whose escape would be highly dangerous to the public or national security. Offences that may result in consideration for Category A or Restricted Status include: Murder, Attempted murder, Manslaughter, Wounding with intent, Rape, Indecent assault, Robbery or conspiracy to rob (with firearms), Firearms offences, Importing or supplying Class A controlled drug, Possessing or supplying explosives, Offences connected with terrorism and Offences under the Official Secrets Act.”
http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com.au/2012/12/palestinian-reaction-to-newtown.html
Any lasting vestige of decency stripped from the vile cult and the festering tumor that is Gaza. Let us see what excuses the leftards can make for this dose of hatred from the religion of peace.
Perhaps the British Buggery Company might like to comment?
Reality Check: Luton
http://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/local/hungry-mouths-to-be-fed-by-foodbank-1-4579722
(““Luton is one of the most deprived towns in the East of England with almost one in four children living in poverty.”}
http://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/local/people-want-to-live-in-luton-1-4591088
(“The number of people who defined themselves as Muslim rose from 14 per cent to 24 per cent.” [2001-2011])
http://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/local/chick-s-cannes-trip-cancelled-1-4591060
(“For the past eight years, a team from Luton Borough Council led by Head of service and corporate director Colin Chick have visited Cannes for an event with international businesses and other councils.”}
Peter from Maidstone, December 15th, 2012 – 21:25
“I hope those of us with faith…”
What has “faith” got to do with showing care and concern for others, or wishing them well? The God squad doesn’t have exclusive rights on these matters, or our humanity.
I am sure that we ALL wish Frank P well wherever his is or whatever he happens to be doing,
Ostrich (occasionally), December 16th, 2012 – 00:13
Well put, O(o) Let’s keep it positive.
EC, if you have no faith then your good wishes towards Frank, though commendable, will have no effect whatsoever on his situation. Those who believe in a benevolent and personal God believe that their prayers do have an effect according to God’s will. I would not have thought that hard to understand.
We all wish Frank well. But that is not the same as prayer at all.
In an effort to reconcile the parties on the question prayer and care,which is a fence on which I sit rather uncomfortably, and keeping in mind that Frank P a little over a week ago was edging towards a view that telepathy connects, I took up again the collection of articles and reviews by Dirk Bogarde that I finished reading a few days ago. Called “For the Time Being”, it fell into my hands in my local second-hand bookstore as if it had been waiting for me, and I very much recommend it.
Sir Dirk, who died in 1999, was in Paris for its liberation from the Nazis and was part of the British unit which was one of the first to enter Bergen-Belsen concentration camp. His father had been traumatised in WW1 and the effect on his faith of opening a chapel’s doors in the vicinity of the field of Caporetto to find it piled to the ceiling with the corpses of soldiers and civilians was to silence him, except to comment to Bogarde on one occasion that God does not give his attention to the fall of sparrows.
Nonetheless… and there is a “nonetheless” in this fine book … after such faith as remained to him after seeing the red varnished nails and bright smiles of the female guards at Belsen next to the mounds of decaying bodies, Dirk Bogarde writes in 1984 (Miscellaneous Article – Years of Innocence):
“I always, however, said my prayers. I still do to this day. But it is a prayer to a greater force than the simpering plaster figures to which I once prayed so ardently”.
May the force be with Frank P.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMHguvZPcqQ
Malfleur 17th, – 10:10
Excellent!
Id not meant to make any point about those who do not have faith. But with Sunday coming up it seemed and seems reasonable to have suggested that those who had faith remembered Frank. He was certainly named at my altar and whether or not he appreciates it is in my daily prayers.
We all have him in mind and wish the best for him. But prayer, however incoherent, is different to having good wishes. This does not detract from best wishes. I am sure that most of us would want to do whatever we practically could for most of the rest of us at a pinch.
But on a Sunday morning of all days it is not intended to be an insult when those who will be in Church are asked to consider praying for someone.
I do not and had not intended to offend EC. But I can’t see that I need to apologise ever for suggesting that people pray if it has meaning for them.
I will apologise again to you EC if I phrased my post in a way that did offend you.
Malfleur
December 16th, 2012 – 22:33
We seem to have allowed our country to become, what I believe the European Federalists call, Post Democratic. We are no longer a free country in the way the term was understood by our ancestors.
Peter,
There is absolutely no need for any apologies.
I’m not offended in any way, why would I be? But even if I was – no matter – this commendable blog that you’ve set up is all about free speech – and long may it continue!
Another example of why Human Rights Commissions and Tribunals ought to be shut down –
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/12/17/saskatoon-bus-display/
I’m trying to find out what happened on December 7th when Stephen Lennon was due to appear in court on the mortgage fraud charge? Anyone got a link?
P from M 11:20 Is the Frank to whom you refer Frank P? We haven’t seen a post from him for a while. Is there news of him?